View Full Version : The SECRET of overclocking revealed
Attention all newbies. I constantly read post from beginners wanting assistance to overclock their CPU when they have some generic or OEM motherboard that is not overclocking friendly. The secret to a successful overclocking adventure STARTS with the motherboard. You don't really overclock just the CPU, you overclock the entire computer system via the motherboard. The motherboard is the heart of your computer. You absolutely HAVE to first possess a good overclockable motherboard. The forum seems swamped with people that don't or can't understand this concept. Thank you for allowing me to rant and rave a bit.
This deserves more respect. Bump!
Mike360000
12-13-01, 10:26 PM
Yep batboy's statements deserves the upmost in respect, concerning motherboard oc'ing!
I've said for a long time that you can take the greatest or best of cpu's and put it on a poorly designed/engineered chipset and motherboard and you will have a poor to fair system at best, but you can take a fair cpu and put it on a superior chipset and motherboard and you will still have a decent system. I think the AMD vrs. Intel situation is like this right now. AMD has great cpu's but not hardly a decent chipset/motherboard to run them on, while Intel's P4 is somewhat lacking in comparison. Yet it is Intel's chipsets and motherboards that have given the P4's a stability and compatibility advantage over AMD's and expecially second party chipsets, such as Via, with poorly engineered chipsets and motherboards. So I think Intel has got a small point in not wanting Via to release Via engineered chipsets for Intel cpu's. (Although that is not the real reason Intel wants Via to stop this.)
Cheers,
Mike Lamb
martialcomp
12-14-01, 02:24 AM
Darn straight!!! I personally like Abit motherboards, however the specific application needs to be evaluated first. I ALWAYS pick a motherboard that has some sort of Softmenu. Much easier to change voltage and bus speeds. I also consider whether or not the motherboard has the ability to increase voltage high enough without having to major mods.
In my opinion, Abit and Asus are probably the top two motherboards currently available for overclocking. There are other brands that work well too if you get one that has FSB adjustments and voltage adjustments (preferably done within the BIOS). Other things to consider are stability and performance, plus features like PCI, AGP, and RAM clock dividers. Shop around and don't skimp on the motherboard. Like I said earlier, it's the heart of your system.
Hold on there batboy...I'll see your secret and raise you another one. The real secret to great ocing, even before the mobo, is the wealth of knowledge in forums like this one.
After the Beginners' Guide (where you'll get an understanding of the basic elements) and the CPU database (where you'll get an understanding of what's achievable), the best advise to fellow rookies is to read through a couple of months worth of posts from forum members. By the time you're done, you'll know what you need for the heart of your system.
It'll depend on short/long term objectives. You say potato, I say spud...You say tomato, I say marinara...well you understand. Some prefer AMD, some Intel. Some will oc the limits of a mid range cpu, and spend extra dollars on custom cooling and oc tolerant components...Some will go with stock cooling and standard components, and direct the extra dollars towards a faster cpu.
When my objective was a little ocing, the system I had was perfectly fine. When my objective was great ocing, the tips on what & where to get the right components (keeping price in mind) came from tapping the brains of veterans.
So the real secret revealed is...READ.
"That's all I have to say about that." (re: Forest Gump)
Well spoken Rick G...well spoken.
funnyperson1
12-15-01, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Rick G
Hold on there batboy...I'll see your secret and raise you another one. The real secret to great ocing, even before the mobo, is the wealth of knowledge in forums like this one.
After the Beginners' Guide (where you'll get an understanding of the basic elements) and the CPU database (where you'll get an understanding of what's achievable), the best advise to fellow rookies is to read through a couple of months worth of posts from forum members. By the time you're done, you'll know what you need for the heart of your system.
It'll depend on short/long term objectives. You say potato, I say spud...You say tomato, I say marinara...well you understand. Some prefer AMD, some Intel. Some will oc the limits of a mid range cpu, and spend extra dollars on custom cooling and oc tolerant components...Some will go with stock cooling and standard components, and direct the extra dollars towards a faster cpu.
When my objective was a little ocing, the system I had was perfectly fine. When my objective was great ocing, the tips on what & where to get the right components (keeping price in mind) came from tapping the brains of veterans.
So the real secret revealed is...READ.
"That's all I have to say about that." (re: Forest Gump)
actually i remember reading your post a long time ago asking for help...looks like you got it figured out...nice oc:p
murdoch
12-15-01, 02:56 AM
Lets not forget ram people. there's lots of industry standard that don't do poop when your o/c. I apologize for my use of profanity. I guess if your starting out the board is priority number one. Then its time to find the chip. From my experience the secret to succesful orgasmic o/c is LUCK! The more research you do helps to improve your odds for getting all the right components which will improve your success for reaching the fsb you want. Rick G is right learn from others and then spin the wheel cause you will never know till its time to boot.
abit vh6-2
cel 800@1.2 at 1.7 volts
20 gigHD,900 megs ram 133 cas 2
gf2mx,
Originally posted by murdoch
Lets not forget ram people. there's lots of industry standard that don't do poop when your o/c. I apologize for my use of profanity. I guess if your starting out the board is priority number one. Then its time to find the chip. From my experience the secret to succesful orgasmic o/c is LUCK! The more research you do helps to improve your odds for getting all the right components which will improve your success for reaching the fsb you want. Rick G is right learn from others and then spin the wheel cause you will never know till its time to boot.
abit vh6-2
cel 800@1.2 at 1.7 volts
20 gigHD,900 megs ram 133 cas 2
gf2mx,
Ram is not too important, if you look at FunnyPerson's sig he has generic ram and decent overclock. What batboy mainly points out is the motherboard is the heart of overclocking because it comes before everything and knowledge can be important too.
A lot of good info here; let's see if my 2 cents adds anything!
I think Knowledge is most important, and then a good mobo- without these......
RAM is important to a degree- high quality ram SHOULD give better, more consistent results while generic ram is more of a crapshoot. I have had excellent luck with my ram, all of which is generic. I could probably- stress on the probably- get better results with better ram but to me the extra expense is not justified by the improvements. I do have 2 128mb sticks of pc133 that I can only use in non-oc'd systems, but I also am using a total of 1408mb of ram in various types/sizes(all generic), oc'd up to 155 fsb.
Memory seems to involve luck as much as anything else- but you will most likely improve your odds with "good" stuff.
Lots all good comments. Of course overclocking knowledge is extremely important, and yes, other components are very important too. You should be using good quality stuff throughout your system, but without a high quality, overclocking friendly motherboard, you just aren't going to get very far no matter how much knowledge you have or how good your RAM is.
Originally posted by batboy
Lots all good comments. Of course overclocking knowledge is extremely important, and yes, other components are very important too. You should be using good quality stuff throughout your system, but without a high quality, overclocking friendly motherboard, you just aren't going to get very far no matter how much knowledge you have or how good your RAM is.
Yep I totally agree and thats what I tried to point out that the motherboard is before everything without it you can't do anything with other components.
Errr. Make sure you research and shop around for a OCable mobo.
Damn piece of crap Intel board :mad:
donny_paycheck
12-17-01, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Mike360000
AMD has great cpu's but not hardly a decent chipset/motherboard to run them on, while Intel's P4 is somewhat lacking in comparison. Yet it is Intel's chipsets and motherboards that have given the P4's a stability and compatibility advantage over AMD's and expecially second party chipsets, such as Via, with poorly engineered chipsets and motherboards.
Isn't the KT266A supposed to be an awesome AMD chipset though? Jeez, I hope I didn't upgrade to this just to get a chipset that's been hyped beyond belief! An honest question...not a rhetorical one.
Originally posted by Pinky
This deserves more respect.
Definitely!
:mad:
Max the Axe
12-18-01, 01:59 PM
lots of luck...or a big bottom as i use to say, cpus aren't twins and mobos aren't clones.
If you are planning to oc first of all I think you should choose a cpu which will oc the best. I was lucky in my first try (PII 400@560@2.1V stock cooling) but when I changed my cpu with cel 600 I knew that it would oc better.
And I see people trying to oc a cpu which is at its limit (like PIII 933 or older PIII 1000) So if you are planing to oc choose a cpu like PIII 700 at 100 fsb (not 133 considering the pci speed) And always choose the ones with newer stepings. (like the cD0 PIII 1 Ghz)
As an example I’m planning to buy a taulatin celeron but I’ll wait for 1Ghz and 1.1 since 1.5ghz seems to be the limit with default core voltage and stock cooling.
And I agree one of the most important component in an oc’d system is the motherboard and and like my Abit BE6, one of the best mobo of its time :)
Originally posted by nucro
If you are planning to oc first of all I think you should choose a cpu which will oc the best. I was lucky in my first try (PII 400@560@2.1V stock cooling) but when I changed my cpu with cel 600 I knew that it would oc better.
And I see people trying to oc a cpu which is at its limit (like PIII 933 or older PIII 1000) So if you are planing to oc choose a cpu like PIII 700 at 100 fsb (not 133 considering the pci speed) And always choose the ones with newer stepings. (like the cD0 PIII 1 Ghz)
As an example I’m planning to buy a taulatin celeron but I’ll wait for 1Ghz and 1.1 since 1.5ghz seems to be the limit with default core voltage and stock cooling.
And I agree one of the most important component in an oc’d system is the motherboard and and like my Abit BE6, one of the best mobo of its time :)
Hey you have any idea how good the Abit BE6 compares to the BE6-II? I'm not sure myself but I would liek to know :p
Mike360000
12-18-01, 06:28 PM
tsunami,
I mite can add a little about the BE6 boards since I've bought about a dozen of them in differing flavors.
All the Abit BE6 models, including Raid are practically identical except for the Raid functions on some boards and the revisions from ata 66 to ata 100(rev2). Most of the BE6 boards themselves are the same except for minor hardware changes, in partitular the blowing of capacitors on the early boards. And of course the boards may vary concerning the BIOS updates.
So the only real difference between a BE6 and BE6 II Raid is the Raid function in conjunction with the ata 66 or ata 100 capabilities, on how they are implemented in series.
These boards, as you may know, and for the other poster, carries the famed Intel BX 440 chipset. As far as I am concerned, it is the finest chipset to have ever held a processor. But I gotta admit Intel has recently came with some other brilliant chipsets, concerning dependability and compatibility.
Chers,
Mike Lamb
Hey you have any idea how good the Abit BE6 compares to the BE6-II? I'm not sure myself but I would liek to know
BE6-II has the advantage of 1 step of increase in fsb (I wished it so much when I could do 140 but not 150 with PII and also it can read from the internal diode (form my experiences the thermal cable reads 1-4C lower-not that bad)
Originally posted by nucro
BE6-II has the advantage of 1 step of increase in fsb (I wished it so much when I could do 140 but not 150 with PII and also it can read from the internal diode (form my experiences the thermal cable reads 1-4C lower-not that bad)
Fair Enough!
pensfan10887
12-21-01, 09:49 AM
Correction Batboy and everyone else. There is NO secret to overclocking a computer. There cant be. A secret is supposed to be kept quiet, but everyone knows about them. But thats ok just as long as AMD or Intel doesnt start making chips that are completely overclockable. (Even though they said something like that with the Duron :) ) I dont see the prob w/ overclocking. Big deal they lose money if u buy a 632 mHZ prosessor and overclock it to 900. They all ready have the millions. I mean even motherboard companies agree w/ me. Anybody else think so?
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid
Or am I just stoned
-Green Day- Basket Case
pensfan10887
12-21-01, 09:55 AM
Correction Batboy and everyone else. There is NO secret to overclocking a computer. There cant be. A secret is supposed to be kept quiet, but everyone knows about them. But thats ok just as long as AMD or Intel doesnt start making chips that are completely overclockable. (Even though they said something like that with the Duron :) ) I dont see the prob w/ overclocking. Big deal they lose money if u buy a 632 mHZ prosessor and overclock it to 900. They all ready have the millions. I mean even motherboard companies agree w/ me. Anybody else think so?
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid
Or am I just stoned
-Green Day- Basket Case
donny_paycheck
12-21-01, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by pensfan10887
Correction Batboy and everyone else. There is NO secret to overclocking a computer. There cant be. A secret is supposed to be kept quiet, but everyone knows about them. But thats ok just as long as AMD or Intel doesnt start making chips that are completely overclockable. (Even though they said something like that with the Duron :) ) I dont see the prob w/ overclocking. Big deal they lose money if u buy a 632 mHZ prosessor and overclock it to 900. They all ready have the millions. I mean even motherboard companies agree w/ me. Anybody else think so?
Wait....what? I think batboy meant what the #1 concern you should have should be when looking to OC a computer, not anything specific like how to OC a particular machine. As for the corps. losing money, they only lock their chips so vendors can't sell comps as 900s with 750 OC'd chips in 'em. When the end user does it they lose negligible $$$ and it happens so rarely they don't even care.
Originally posted by pensfan10887
Correction Batboy and everyone else. There is NO secret to overclocking a computer. There cant be. A secret is supposed to be kept quiet, but everyone knows about them. But thats ok just as long as AMD or Intel doesnt start making chips that are completely overclockable. (Even though they said something like that with the Duron :) ) I dont see the prob w/ overclocking. Big deal they lose money if u buy a 632 mHZ prosessor and overclock it to 900. They all ready have the millions. I mean even motherboard companies agree w/ me. Anybody else think so?
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid
Or am I just stoned
-Green Day- Basket Case
No secret? What are you talking about man? This post was written in a very well format which will help newbies to overclocking or want to start so they just don't take the bad step and burn cash.
Its simple you see everyday people come with either branded computers or not good overclocking motherboards and some systems were built when they were already overclocking. Reading this guide could save alot of disapointment and hassle.
You try overclocking with a Intel motherboard or a Dell computer, I don't think its possible. Processors are trying to lock the fsb and multiplier to gain money obviously. Even 1% of the people who buy Intel are overclockers they still want the cash think of it as there's already cash already on the ground, all you have to do is pick it up. You may not think its a big deal since you aren't working for them and you really don't care how their progress is, although employees will get raises etc.
pensfan10887
12-22-01, 11:57 AM
No I didn't mean that. I was just saying that everyone knows the secrets so theyre not secrets ne more. I didnt mean nething bad its good to help newbies. But the real secrets are the things that we dont know. Once we all find out about them they wont be secrets ne more. Then someone will find something else out on how to break locks to overclock until finally Intel or AMD make a processor that is TOTALLY unlockable. Sooner or later that may happen.
Come as you are, as you were,
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend, as an old enemy
Take your time, hurry up
The choice is yours, don't be late
Take a rest as a friend as an old memoria
Come dowsed in mud, soaked in bleach
As I want you to be
As a trend, as a friend, as an old memoria
And I swear that I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
Nirvana- Come As You Are
Originally posted by pensfan10887
No I didn't mean that. I was just saying that everyone knows the secrets so theyre not secrets ne more. I didnt mean nething bad its good to help newbies. But the real secrets are the things that we dont know. Once we all find out about them they wont be secrets ne more. Then someone will find something else out on how to break locks to overclock until finally Intel or AMD make a processor that is TOTALLY unlockable. Sooner or later that may happen.
Come as you are, as you were,
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend, as an old enemy
Take your time, hurry up
The choice is yours, don't be late
Take a rest as a friend as an old memoria
Come dowsed in mud, soaked in bleach
As I want you to be
As a trend, as a friend, as an old memoria
And I swear that I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
Nirvana- Come As You Are
But you forget people who are new to this sport don't know this is.
So this remains a secret for them and knowledge for us and we try to get it to them before they make bad steps.
pensfan10887
12-22-01, 03:07 PM
Yeah your right. I understand what u r saying. I wasnt thinking about that i guess. I just was saying that these secrets are widely know around the world.
I'm having trouble trying to sleep
I'm counting sheep but runnin' out
As time ticks by
Still I try
No rest for crosstops in my mind
On my own here we go
(****)
My eyes feel like they're gonna bleed
Dried up and bulging out my skull
My mouth is dry
My face is numb
****ed up and spun out in my room
On my own here we go
My mind is set on overdrive
The clock is laughing in my face
Crooked spine
My sense is dulled
Passed the point of delirium
On my own here we go
My eyes feel like they're gonna bleed
Dried up and bulging out my skull
My mouth is dry
My face is numb
****ed up and spun out in my room
On my own here we go
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tainice
12-22-01, 07:31 PM
BX chipset rulez:D
Anyway, seriously, people should read ahead b4 doing anything. Asking question is equally important, when in doubt, read, then ask!!:) LoNg LiVe BX!!
HugoHenry
12-23-01, 06:05 PM
Okay this started out as a very good precise to the point statement for newbies to understand. Then 30 other people post with the same statement in a different language. Hasn't the point been made? Why must yous keep postin about the same thing the first post had in it? Thats where newbies get confused in geting the help. Everyone has different ways of saying the same thing, and they always want to post it in the same thread. If you see a valid point as in this thread, just agree or disagree. No need to say the same thing over and over.
Just my view on the subject. Great point everyone has made into great points though.
Meaty-btz
12-28-01, 03:40 PM
I once was a motherboard designer for motorola and before that Pro-log Corp. We did pasive backplain and compact PIC mainboards. Here is the trick though about all the boards out there regardless of chipset.
The most time consuming part for all manufactures is trace routing on the board and it is also the most important. Running the traces even 1 in different than another design will yeald vastly different results. Bad routing will make a good chipset crappy and a bad chipset run better than it should. Its the same reason that not all VIA boards run the same even will all the same componentry onboard. Its why some video card manufactures make faster cards and can push beyond the SPEC envelope give by the chipset company. The hard part of finding that ULTIMATE board to run your system on.. isnt manufacture or chipset ( though it does count for a lot) its getting information on how it REALY RUNS. And hense this forum! tada. Or perhaps a knowledge base should be constructed that specificly targets MB performace using some standard. Though for the life of me I cannot think of a benchmark that could get into the nitty-gritty of isolating mainboard advantages because of the variances caused by everything from powersupply to memory type and configuration and cooling.
Meaty-BTZ
lennytiger
01-12-02, 07:54 AM
well you can't oc with out decent cooling thats for sure!! :)
nuciles
01-16-02, 10:27 PM
Yes, I agree!
bra bra bra bra bra.....(trying to saysomething, but don't know what to say)
CivicGSR
02-12-02, 09:12 PM
i agree to the thread starter,
without a good board, your overclocking potential is limited.
refer to previous posts
OVERCLOCKING DEFINED ~~~~~~ my provider tech said it BEST ~~~~~~~ it's all FM ~~~~~ and the second word is magic!!!
SuperFLyJimmy
02-12-02, 09:50 PM
I had a teacher that said that. FM. His name was Bob Eben. Same person? probably not he learnt his stuff in the navy.
lennytiger
02-13-02, 09:48 AM
very cool
remember those fans and heatsinks though
Caffinehog
03-02-02, 02:42 PM
Yes, the motherboard makes a huge difference. I had an old duron 800 that would go over 900 stable on my motherboard. On my quadmate's motherboard, it would post but crash windows at 818!!!!!!!
SuperFLyJimmy
03-02-02, 05:15 PM
what
lennytiger
03-06-02, 12:39 PM
why does a 1900XP not run at 1900MHz???
Because its used the consumer "slower than it says on the box" trick!
:cool: :cool:
zoso420g
03-14-02, 05:10 PM
Could someone look at my Specks below and tell me if I have a good combination for Overclocking:burn:
PS: Any question posed is a valid Question. Hey we were all newbies once!!! So please have patience with us newbies we just want to learn:beer: :D
:mad: ZoSo420g:mad:
:mad:
lennytiger
03-16-02, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by zoso420g
Could someone look at my Specks below and tell me if I have a good combination for Overclocking:burn:
PS: Any question posed is a valid Question. Hey we were all newbies once!!! So please have patience with us newbies we just want to learn:beer: :D
We all start somewhere I was a newbie once!! ;)
That spec looks ok, make sure you have serious cooling for that celery and you should be good to fire up and overclock.
I overclocked my mouse once its called an "overclick" :)
manny calavera
03-26-02, 05:34 PM
cute
Snatcher
03-27-02, 03:36 PM
Well, all i can say is that i have been reading posts since about a year, and since then i have attained an increase of a 100Mhz over my system, well it is not alot but as the first post said, the MOBO is very important, mine is crap. :( But altough i didnt manage to overclock good enough i managed to build a whole new case with my own hands, made out of perspex and now i am looking for a good air-cooled solution. So my 1 cent goes to Cooling it is very important if you dont want to fry your rig :)
RocknBull
04-10-02, 06:47 PM
Hello people my 2cents and what i mainly do is READ and SEARCH
and not in that order if i need a ? answered i do a search 1st, nine out of ten times i find the answer to my question. and that is why i dont have many posts on here :beer:
OverOverClock
04-15-02, 06:41 PM
Very true, and how right you all are! I read your forums for some time and guess what!
Yesterday I was running 2.75 on a 1.6A on a MSI 845 Ultra AR with PC2700(kingmax) and Volcano 7+ and a small Vmod.
Oh and I forgot (how could I) 13 fans total.
But it was so easy it was almost boring.
Keep it up guys while I look for a LN2 tank
tbirdkiri
04-15-02, 06:46 PM
:o
i sure hope tha l2 is for me
OverOverClock
04-15-02, 07:01 PM
That's my Cray.......... Don't you know....
Originally posted by Mike360000
So I think Intel has got a small point in not wanting Via to release Via engineered chipsets for Intel cpu's. (Although that is not the real reason Intel wants Via to stop this.)
Mike Lamb
What is the real reason?
Mike360000
04-25-02, 09:12 PM
Is it that hard to figure out?
M-O-N-E-Y
electricsheep
04-29-02, 01:13 PM
now what i really regret is i didnt knew of all these last december when i bought my............. pcchips lmrt756+!!!! (covers himself from the rotten tomatoes rain)
ok, i been reading and surfing a lot around; man reading IS the main secret. now i got my good old 300A @ 450 (i know the basic stuff, but im so proud of it) and i want some more!!
then i found some info about what i could *actually* get (and afford) in this piece of sheeaet country im in, so i ended up with the following combination:
--soyo 6vca mobo
--slotket'ed celeron 600 cpu
--128mb 133 mem
--GeForce2 MX 32Mb AGP video
--Creative Sound Blaster Live 5.1 sound
so, what do you think? am i doing well?
i know, via chipset -- but everyone ("via-heads" at least) seems so happy with this one?
(don't think of asus as they are way over my economical possibilities nor abit since noone brings them down here)
we are the electricsheep : lofaszt, nehogymar, te vagy a bladerunner
Distorted.Mind
05-16-02, 11:17 AM
seeing all the comments in this topic makes me wonder, why dont the top o/c's knock heads and write a help/newbee/ oc-bible starting from the basics that the normal person would not know and then up to the hard core oc?
then see if overclockers will post it...
Just a thought that would save bbs space
Dr. Waseem Iqba
05-25-02, 04:55 PM
:o
I am wondering, if one can Overclock the P4 processor by sendind the signal to motherboard that the FSB is 533 not 400 (On New Intel Boards Supporting 533 FSB)
Otherwise to overclock a processor on ASUS or other board is childs play as any one can do by just reading the motherboards manual.
I just studied the data sheet on P4 an found the following:
Table 5 BSEL (1:0) Frequency Table for BCLK (1:0)
BSEL 1 BSEL 0 Function
L L 100 MHz
L H 133 MHz
H L Reserved
H H Reserved
And the PINS Responcible for, are AF22 and AF23
domstar
06-07-02, 06:47 PM
Yeah but after reading all this im still confused as to what is a good mobo?etc..
What chipsets are good?What is the diferenec between Generic and OEM boards? And yes im nieve but only selectively.I became interested in overclocking as a way to learn more and run more for less. I have learnt many times from my mistakes and opefuly now able to help others around me in their computing problems.
The point of this reply is that maybe sum1 will be able to give me a rough definition of what makes good overclocking hardware. at the moment im runing a fairly strained system with a low level overclocked Celeron466 a hugely overclocked GeForce2 and very little SDRAM straining with its work load. I guess that my Mobo is not overclocking friendly as for a start i have no way of chgeing my core voltage and has a low grade Via chipset. so could some one please tell me what i need to look for in hardware.?
Dom
I like Abit motherboards. I've had several of them and they all were exceptional. Abit has lots of desireable overclocking features. Abit is also great at providing BIOS updates in a regular basis. Asus and Epox motherboards are also generally pretty good overclockers. There are probably other exceptable mobos too (like MSI and Soyo), but if you get one of the main three that I mentioned, you can't go wrong. For a mobo, look for adjustable FSB, CPU core voltage, PCI dividers, and memory settings that can be easily changed in the BIOS.
Caffinehog
06-11-02, 12:36 PM
Yeah, and cheap motherboards tend to go bad fast or have some type of quirks that are major problems. I've spent way too much money on cheap motherboards to ever make the mistake of doing it again.
I hear ya... i'm gunna be gettin a fart around mobo celeron 500 mhz (100mhz fbs) and i'm gunna clock it at 800 for my first project that i'm going to overclock, heh i'm not going to like by an AMDXP +2000 and accedently fry the system becase i forgot thermopaste or somtin like that lol... :)
Just out of curiousity, is it possible to overclock an old PII, i'm not sure if the mobo will support it, i think it will becuase i tried it once and my dad found out and almost plowed through me hehe... Its old and currently runs 398mhz out of 400 mhz
(2 yrs old) and it underclocked when i tried overclocking it lol! I just have bad luck with gateways
:mad: I have a better chance to overclock my commodore 64/128d before i overclock my dads, dats why i'm gettin my own :beer: Your opinion is appreciated ..
thx,
memex
domstar
06-27-02, 02:16 AM
Yeah P2's are normaly fairly good for overclocking. If it has unlocked multipliers than you could run it ata bus speed of about 150 well thats what im running my P2 266 at so a 400 will easil;y do it. youll wana remove that big horrible black case from it though because the causes problems with heat etc....A nice orb and fan and youll get a fair bit out of it.Check the CPU database for an idea of what itll do.
Hope this helps Dom
Just when you thought this post was dead... I come back from the dead to add my 2 cents. Batboy is dead on 100% right. All the rest don't mean squat without a good overclockable, non OEM crippled Motherboard.
What I really want to say though is the reason Intel locks the chips multiplier is not to stop us from overclocking. A previous poster was correct in stating the reason is to stop crooked resellers from selling remarked chips like a Cel 600 as a 900. I think Intel actually likes us overclocking. Think of all the chips we buy and fry. Most of us are honest enough to admit we fried the chip and not try to RMA it. That means more money for the chip makers.
To the guy who wants the OC bible; this is it. As if the forum and the search feature weren't enough, check the overclockers.com main page for links to all you ever need to know on the subject.
I-8 Den:burn:
gingaaar
07-28-02, 06:24 AM
Before I start, a little history....
For all those people in the States, a YTS scheme was Maggie thatchers way of getting people trained in a particular industry (ie. a car mechanic) while the employer paid them £35 pounds a week.
The idea being that after serving two years of smoking lots of dope and spending your entire wages on a friday night in the pub (playing pool), getting shouted at by your boss, being called a thicko, making the cups of tea at brew time, being sent to the chipshop every day with a list of orders and comming back short changed (he he :) and being told to go the the store room for a long stand (think about it...) you were then qualified.
It is true that a lot of people come on here requesting overclocking advice when they have poor quality componants, and it will annoy the 'old timers'. I did it, i am guilty.
however, I learned how to overclock these poor compnants by using this forum. I was advised to use SOFT FSB, I was advised to cut legs off my pentium 3, I was advised that I could pull the 'cap' off an AMD 500 K6 and achieve an overclock of 600.
The very bright and inteligent overclockers who told me these things got me into overclocking and helped me to achieve overclocks with sub statndard computer bits, and I respect them.
Some of us cant afford the latest gear, I certainly cant, but now I run the risk of upsetting someone with this reply, however I feel it to be true.
Like a YTS scheme we come here thickos and come out qualified, we get shouted at but we learn. Thank god I dont work for overclockers.com or I would be in the chipshop and putting the kettle on this very minute :)
I love how these Brits get their point across. Obviously, not everyone can afford the best, but you can still pick up good inexpensive used components from those of us that can afford the latest trinkets and feel obligated to do frequent upgrades. If you have to annoy us old timers, at least do it with style and in an amusing way like Gingaaar does...hehehe. Now where's that tea?
machotoys
08-18-02, 09:52 PM
how can i find out my PLL type and manufacturer? I'm trying to overclock my cpu but I can't because it's locked in the bios settings. So I'm just going to change the FSB. I have a GVCDR7420E intel motherboard with a 700 celeron on it and I have a bunch of programs for this sort of thing. I have "CPUFSB Version 2.2", "WCPU", "Soft", "FSB" and "Motherboard Monitor".
At this moment, I'm using the program CPUFSB Version 2.2 and I can't find my PLL type or manufacturer. Can you help me find this? Or tell me of another program I can use to overclock it?
Many thanks!
Machotoys
Generally, the Intel mobos can't be overclocked, even using the softFSB and similar programs. You'll need a non-Intel, overclocking friendly mobo.
Caffinehog
08-21-02, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by machotoys
At this moment, I'm using the program CPUFSB Version 2.2 and I can't find my PLL type or manufacturer. Can you help me find this?
Open up your computer. Look for a little silver thing with rounded off ends. It usually says a certain number on it... I think 14.3.
Near that should be a flat chip with lots of legs. On that chip should be the info you need.
MyzticBlaze
09-22-02, 12:28 PM
I have to agree that not everyone can afford the latest and greatest CPU... And I cannot afford a new Athlon mobo and cpu. Therefore I was thinking of just buying a cpu that has better overclocking options than my current cpu. This is where I need your help guys, I am currently running a 950Mhz@1.05Ghz CeleronII 128k, and it's not stable after 110FSB, and should I buy a 1.2Ghz Celeron 256k Tualatin. Because I heard that those models are more overclock friendly?! So should I get that 1.2Tualatin?
P.S. I have an MSI 6309 mobo, and supports oc'ing...
It might of been better to start a new topic thread on what CPU to upgrade for a MSI 6309 motherboard. But, that's ok. I did a quick search to find out more info about this mobo (see links below). It appears that your mobo does NOT support Tualatin CPUs. Since it's VIA chipset and not a BX chipset, modifying it might not work either (although I'm not sure). The only other option is to use a Powerleap adapter. I have heard those 1.0a, 1.1a, and 1.2 Tualatins overclock quite well. However, depending on the price of the CPU and the adapter needed for this to work, you might be wise to just start saving your money for a better upgrade in the future, such as a P-4 system.
http://www.cpureview.com/rev_msi6309_a.html
http://www.flipchip.net/mobo_reviews/msi6309_review.htm
http://www.overclockers.com/articles120/
MyzticBlaze
09-24-02, 06:18 PM
NO! It says Tualatin ready on the box, manuel, and had a sticker on the 370pin slot saying, "Tualatin OK".... or can the manufacures be wrong?!?
MyzticBlaze
09-24-02, 06:21 PM
OH YEAH! I forgot to tell you, some of those reviews dont have teh same model as me! I have 5.0...
I'm an OC newb, and I just wanted to say that this is great advice, and the topic of the thread makes newbs want to read it.
TheNewGuy
10-27-02, 12:14 AM
what do u guys think of msi mobos? i have an 845Gmax-l msi mobo and it seems to be extremely easy to overclock(fuzzy logic software allows a user to change just about anything) I havent attempted to oc my cpu since i havent got the cooling situation figured out just yet. This was my first mobo purchase, and i hope it was a good one!!
domstar
10-27-02, 06:17 AM
Hi,
Im not familiar with the boards but I have heard about the fuzzy logic software. It is assumed to be very user friendly, it is beneficial that it allows you to change alot of options within your BIOS etc, this make it easy to overclock but it doesnt necesarily make you the board any better for overclocking, depending on its chipset etc is more important than how easy it is to actually change setting, better hardware on the board (inra and inter) will make the board more overclockable.
hope this helps Dom
gta3 my favor!!
10-28-02, 10:20 PM
Hey, I'm using a Pentium 3 o/c to 961 from 866 on Asus CUX4-C MOBO. 32c normal - 55 in games
is my sys ok??
55 is gettin toasty.
my 1.6a gets up to 52 under torture tests... 49 when folding.
i'm not real happy with 52 but its not terrible.
those people that have their chips running 60 degrees are fools.
domstar
10-29-02, 02:27 AM
My Athlon XP 1800+ runs at 54(not o/c) with A thermoengine cooler on it, its not terrbile but it could be lower. As long as its under 60 itll be fine, you can run them at aobut 65 but I really wouldnt suggest it as i wou;ldnt like to put money on how long it will last! My old Duron used to run at about 47 when it overclocked and then the core crushed.
Hope this helps Dom
strangeBrew
11-01-02, 11:58 PM
This is definately helpful. I am a noob, and I am learning as I read. I think ppl take for granted that others are already hip to the oc world. Hell, four or five months ago I didnt know you can push a cpu or whatever beyond its limit, as my selection of mobo might point out. So far I am playing with my VC and got a pretty good spot at 300/567.
Bottom line is.... Its good to know that you guys are willing to share such good info.
Call me what you will but seriously I have tried overclocking my 2.8gig using easytune and I went to 140FSB and it keeps restarting. What is my next step?
I've never used Easytune program. If you have a Gigabyte mobo, I'd change FSB in the BIOS instead of using software. Maybe post this as a separate topic and you'll probably get more response. Lots of the old timers don't look at the sticky posts since they're mainly for basic reference info on specific issues.
Vengeance
11-17-02, 08:08 PM
What about a Dell 1.1 ghz GX-150 its a celeron But i have know idea what Mobo it is, Whats the best way to find out?
domstar
11-18-02, 02:21 AM
Well Celereons do over clock really well but as far as your mobo im not too sure. Dell and other system builder do not make systems that are overclocking friendly, os if you want a faster computer then youll have to buy it. The BIOS and mainboard itself will lack many of the required function so for OCing.
Hope this helps Dom
Hello Im new to this whole overclocking thing I downloaded the program "coolbits" but dunno If I should mess with the Vid Card stuff or not As I seen some gentleman talking about having a good mobo. I have a GF4 Ti4200 64mb with 512 DDr 2100 and a Pentium 2.6 but my mobo is a P4VXASD2 HELP!!!!!!!!! youre help would greatly be appreciated guys Thanx
domstar
02-08-03, 05:25 PM
You could a large performance gain by using Coolbits. I am usnure about your mobo as I am an AMD man so intel is foriegn ground to me. Overclocking your Vid card will not afftect the rest of your system. If you want to overclock your CPU and mianboard then check you BIOS for what options it gives you i.e. can your change FSB and Vcore?
Let me know how it goes.
DoM
Mr.Guvernment
02-26-03, 03:12 AM
so so true! i find it amusing when people with Dells and Compaq's want to over clock...lol :D
modenaf1
03-02-03, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Pinky
This deserves more respect. Bump!
what does pinky mean by "Bump!" ????????
SmokinR6
03-13-03, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by murdoch
Lets not forget ram people. there's lots of industry standard that don't do poop when your o/c. I apologize for my use of profanity. I guess if your starting out the board is priority number one. Then its time to find the chip. From my experience the secret to succesful orgasmic o/c is LUCK! The more research you do helps to improve your odds for getting all the right components which will improve your success for reaching the fsb you want. Rick G is right learn from others and then spin the wheel cause you will never know till its time to boot.
abit vh6-2
cel 800@1.2 at 1.7 volts
20 gigHD,900 megs ram 133 cas 2
gf2mx,
Here's what I'm planning to buy:
-P4 2.4b SL6EF w/ Cooler Master IHC-H71 Heatpipe Cooler
-Abit IT7 Max2 Ver2.0 Motherboard
-1 X 512MB stick of Corsair XMS pc2700 RAM w/ Heatspreader
-128MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
-Western Digital Special Edition 120MB H.D. w/ 8MB Cache
-ENERMAX 431 Watt PSU w/ active PFC
-Black DigitalDoc5 Thermal Meter/Fan Controller
-Cooler Master ATC-111C-BXJ, All Aluminum Alloys Case
-Audigy2 S.C. + Klipsch 2.1 THX Speakers
I have no idea to overclock ANYTHING... I've been reading up in these forums for days now, and I have learned some things... but there is no CLEAR-CUT guide to overclocking... I know its something to do with "tweaking" stuff in the BIOS, but what? If someone could help with with this... that would be great.
Overclocking is a fine art. There is no "exact" recipe. On top of that, each mobo has different BIOS settings and different ways to overclock. Unfortunately, not all motherboards allow overclocking. OEM systems or notorious for not being able to overclock.
squeezecat
06-02-03, 04:19 PM
For all the people who own a HP, dell, compaq, sony, ibm, emachine, gateway, apple, etc, You are unable to overclock your system no matter what software u use it is locked out through the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) you may have a hp with an asus mobo but hp has there own custom bios that locks u out. The same goes for all the other manufactures.
THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT overclock tool is a mobo that has an overclocking ability ABIT IWLL ASUS you get the point
Dont worry do what i did when i first started, use as much of the hardware as you can from your retail machine
Farwalker2u
06-07-03, 11:43 AM
While I agree with your point of the importance of the motherboard to overclocking, I would suggest that a more apt analogy would be that the motherboard is like the nervous system and the PS is like the heart.
The PS pumps out the regulated energy throuout the system, the juice for the computer entity; while the motherboard connects and controls everything in much the same way the nervous system does in the body. Finally, the CPU is like the brain.
To continue the analogy, all are needed for a functional system, all are dependent upon the other; as to which is most important; I leave that to the individual's wants, needs and desires . . . . to decide on a case by case basis.
I know this is "nit picking" but as a health care provider I felt like throwing in my two cents worth.
Have fun overclocking.
Farwalker2u
06-07-03, 11:47 AM
Somehow my post above got put here by mistake . .. my mistake. Please disregard as it is not appropriate to this thread.
ponyboy
06-17-03, 11:57 AM
If I may add my 2-cents... please don't forget that we nubies come here to seek your wisdom and expertise. I don't want to spend weeks researching post after post to become an "expert". That's why I though you guys were out there in the first place.. to help!
So, please bear with us if questions seem to be redundant or stupud. I try to do basic research first but alot of times I need to start with your input first.
thanx!
Oblivion2kX
06-22-03, 11:00 AM
Ya...just by the replies i got to my question thread...I am now morein touch on what to do and what is goign on when I overclock. Thanks Guys!
Oblivion2kX
06-22-03, 11:01 AM
Oh ya, sorry for double postin..just too excited to get 100 posts to get into the selling area of these forums. I got like 26 cpu's maybe someone whould be interested in overclocking
rogerdugans
06-22-03, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by ponyboy
If I may add my 2-cents... please don't forget that we nubies come here to seek your wisdom and expertise. I don't want to spend weeks researching post after post to become an "expert". That's why I though you guys were out there in the first place.. to help!
So, please bear with us if questions seem to be redundant or stupud. I try to do basic research first but alot of times I need to start with your input first.
thanx!
We all do try to be nice to new members- my opinion is that new people are a big part of what keeps this place VITAL and fun!
Please bear with US too: many of the questions new folks have are ones that we have seen/answered dozens of times and sometimes we can be snippy;) It isn't you and we really aren't jerks :) Bear with us!
But a VERY important thing here: general knowledge about overclocking and which piece does what and how it does it is vital:
You may get a great overclock the first time out on just pure luck and a few questions answered in here, but it is also very easy to wreck stuff.
Knowing as much as possible about what you are doing is the best way to keep from burning up a cpu or mobo, and a lot of the knowledge is secondary information in threads that are already around....
My point is: if someone read ALL the stickies here in the forums they would be better prepared to build an overclocked pc then they would be if they asked 6 questions and were told exactly what to do.
Archangel8
07-14-03, 11:09 AM
I agree that the MOBO is the heart of the system, but I would also add that Newbs should also be aware that the PSU is equally as important. Often I see complaints about boards, cpus, ram etc not being oc'able. What I also see is that most of the time complaints do not indicate that any testing was done on the PSU to determine whether the board was being fed properly.
You want to start with foundation and move up. I consider the PSU the foundation for OC,ing, and adding all of the new gadgets that are available and being pushed can alter the reliability of said devices.
The secret to ocing in my opinion starts with having a good PSU, and being at least somewhat knowledgable in basic electronics. But what do I know, being newb to this board and all:)
P.S. - read some but not all of the posts to this thread. If I repeated what soemone else has said DOH!
Ganesh Jadu
09-18-03, 10:59 PM
All's I got to say that the hardware count's. The more better hardware you got the higher oc you got. Cooling is the second thing you need.
g0ldberg
10-10-03, 08:28 AM
now this thread was started with a statement by batboy in 2001. In the 2 years inbetween alot of stuff has happend
amazingly I think batboys statement is as true as the day he wrote it - I bow in the dust for you batboy - "could he be the one?"
Originally posted by g0ldberg
now this thread was started with a statement by batboy in 2001. In the 2 years inbetween alot of stuff has happend
amazingly I think batboys statement is as true as the day he wrote it - I bow in the dust for you batboy - "could he be the one?"
LOL, I just had to laugh at this post.... 'could he be the one?' tf!
At any rate, I happen to believe as ArchAngel8 does in that many many people chince out on the PSU. It's so vital and yet, even experienced O'clockers miss this.
Go out and by PC Power & Cooling unit and have the most stable machine you can build, whether you overclock or not.
Next, buy the best motherboard you can find and then find the hottest ram out there. These three things I believe are vital to a very stable and overclockable system.
[QUOTE]The SECRET of overclocking revealed
Attention all newbies. I constantly read post from beginners wanting assistance to overclock their CPU when they have some generic or OEM motherboard that is not overclocking friendly. The secret to a successful overclocking adventure STARTS with the motherboard. You don't really overclock just the CPU, you overclock the entire computer system via the motherboard. The motherboard is the heart of your computer. You absolutely HAVE to first possess a good overclockable motherboard. The forum seems swamped with people that don't or can't understand this concept. Thank you for allowing me to rant and rave a bit.[/i]
I help run 2 forums like this one.
www.cnczone.com
www.rcuniverse.com
One thing what is a forum for?
It is to help people who have no idea or do not understand a thing like others do.
Yes?
If everybody knew the answer to the over clocking issue, or knew what answer there was to every question on this issue, why have a forum?
Hmmm?
And people sometimes do not know if they can over clock and want to learn how, why bash them for it?
Send them the link so they can read.
That’s my 2 cents.
One thing I do is treat people the way I would like to be treated when I was in there shoes.
Knowledge is power. And were you can help out help. If you do not then leave it be.
This is a policies I helped with on another site.
CNCzone.com COMMUNITY POLICIES
CNCzone is dedicated to developing and maintaining a friendly online community, where members of all ages and backgrounds feel relaxed and comfortable. Like any community, CNCzone has certain standards. When members join our forums, they agree to abide by these rules. To remain a part of the CNCzone community, members must be considerate to others. Repeated violations of these standards may result in a member being banned from entry or participation in community forums.
Not blasting or putting anybody down IMO
ZGOZZ,
How is your post even remotely related to the subject of this thread other than to self promote?
Was there some specific instance in this thread that you felt it was necessary to post this???
Originally posted by Xeon
ZGOZZ,
How is your post even remotely related to the subject of this thread other than to self promote?
Was there some specific instance in this thread that you felt it was necessary to post this???
Did you read the whole post?:p
"Not blasting or putting anybody down IMO" :beer:
When I read threw not all of the posts, IMO some of the posts IMO were bashing ,this is the feeling I got from some posts. :confused:
So I put in my 2 cents .
IMO
See this word IMO?
Originally posted by g0ldberg
now this thread was started with a statement by batboy in 2001. In the 2 years inbetween alot of stuff has happend
amazingly I think batboys statement is as true as the day he wrote it - I bow in the dust for you batboy - "could he be the one?"
Thank you for the kind words. I got this vision of the scene from the movie "Wayne's World" where he's bowing down saying, "I'm not worthy". Made me smile.
Archangel8 says the power supply is important too and he is right. If the mobo is the heart of the system, then the PS is the blood. I might note though, I've overclocked a rig once with a generic 235w PS, but if you have a motherboard with no O/C options, then you won't be overclocking at all.
Like Ganesh Jadu said, hardware is important to overclocking. The better the hardware, the more likely you will have a pleasant O/C experience. Obviously, lots of things are important when overclocking such as motherboard, power supply, common sense, basic knowledge of computers, cooling, cooling, and cooling.
I originally started this thread a long time ago hoping to help a few people that dreamed they could O/C their Compaq built computer and to maybe save having to tell a few people they needed a better mobo. I never imagined it would became a sticky post that ultimately would be read by over 30,000 people. Apparently not everyone has read this because just recently there was a post about someone wanting to O/C their e-machine.
My response to ZGOZZ is this: I never intended this post to be perceived as "putting anyone down" as you implied. It appears your real purpose in posting was to advertise your sites and post a couple links in a permanent thread that tens of thousands of people read.
Ok, enough talk... let's get back to tweaking and overclocking...
Originally posted by batboy
Thank you for the kind words. I got this vision of the scene from the movie "Wayne's World" where he's bowing down saying, "I'm not worthy". Made me smile.
Archangel8 says the power supply is important too and he is right. If the mobo is the heart of the system, then the PS is the blood. I might note though, I've overclocked a rig once with a generic 235w PS, but if you have a motherboard with no O/C options, then you won't be overclocking at all.
Like Ganesh Jadu said, hardware is important to overclocking. The better the hardware, the more likely you will have a pleasant O/C experience. Obviously, lots of things are important when overclocking such as motherboard, power supply, common sense, basic knowledge of computers, cooling, cooling, and cooling.
I originally started this thread a long time ago hoping to help a few people that dreamed they could O/C their Compaq built computer and to maybe save having to tell a few people they needed a better mobo. I never imagined it would became a sticky post that ultimately would be read by over 30,000 people. Apparently not everyone has read this because just recently there was a post about someone wanting to O/C their e-machine.
My response to ZGOZZ is this: I never intended this post to be perceived as "putting anyone down" as you implied. It appears your real purpose in posting was to advertise your sites and post a couple links in a permanent thread that tens of thousands of people read.
Ok, enough talk... let's get back to tweaking and overclocking...
My response to ZGOZZ is this: I never intended this post to be perceived as "putting anyone down" as you implied. It appears your real purpose in posting was to advertise your sites and post a couple links in a permanent thread that tens of thousands of people read.
Ok, enough talk... let's get back to tweaking and overclocking
No wrong .
Like I said above.
:D
randyein
02-27-04, 10:12 PM
newbie here
had no problems overclocking after reading these forums
I am still reading and learning
p4 2.4b @ 3.37ghz
187.3 fsb = 749.3mhz
2*512 ddr 400
abit IS7-E
hd seagate 160GB sata
chaintech mx440
Biomed_1
03-01-04, 05:54 PM
I learned hard lesson not buying the right MOBO.
I Agree with BatBoy! I bought a p4p800-vm (didnt do my homework), replaced with p4p800 no suffix. and am having much better luck. I bought the new MOBO after reading this thead.
Thanks.
BioMed_1
Scroatdog
03-18-04, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by ZGOZZ
[QUOTE]The SECRET of overclocking revealed
Attention all newbies. I constantly read post from beginners wanting assistance to overclock their CPU ..........[/i]
Hey ZGOZZ..............
Where in Jersey are you from??? I grew up there.
Humpmasta_Flex
03-19-04, 07:32 PM
Stupidly i made a post about the Noob thing without reading this forum. So I guess my question is 'What motherboard/CPU combos work good for OCing?
Freddie
04-20-04, 12:05 PM
Nice topic and a good read, but why is it in the intel section, more people would read it and more people would be helped if it was moved. But i do not think that there is a secret of overclocking. There is no easy way.
sami_la
05-11-04, 11:05 PM
Ok, guys im new so i cant post a new thread and sorry to bring this thread slightly offcourse but i have a problem. I originally had a p4 2.4C that ran 3.2 24/7 on intel hsf and even posted (for like 30seconds lol) @ 3.61. Now i just finished my custom watercooling setup and my stability didnt improve one bit. I have an RBX waterblock, a 977gph Via Aqua pump, and a HUGE radiator that sits perfectly on top of a 50cm fan. First off, my temps are ****. I used to get 50c idle @ 3.2 and now i get 40-41. excuse the language but WTF. I have kingston pc3500 @2.7v and slowest timings allowable, msi 865pe, p4 @ 1.55v and i cannot even touch 3.3 stable, even when i put my ram to 380mhz. Sure i can log in windows @ 3.5 for 10 seconds, but thats not what im after. I have artic silver 5. My pci/agp speed is locked at 33/67. I have fans all over the place and my northbridge is at a cool 40c (compared to 48-50 originally). I mean i cant run 3dmark at 3.3ghz so im ready to either shoot myself or my pc. What the hell is going on? This setup was the biggest pain to implement and this is my reward. PLEASE help.
sami_la
05-11-04, 11:14 PM
Oh i forgot to mention, setting the cpu voltage to 1.6 doesnt help. And setting it to 1.7 doesnt even post.
bluediamond
05-11-04, 11:20 PM
I agree with the original post that the motherboard is the heart of a overclocked system, most of the time. There are so many different factors involved that knowledge and luck play a large role in overclocking. An example is that I was running my 2800+ in my Soyo Dragon Ultra Black Mobo and I couldn't get it to post past 2.0 Ghz. I swapped out the Dragon for an A7N8X and it has been running stable at 2.46 for months.
I then decided to drop a Duron 1.6 in the Dragon board and I have been able to get great overclocks with it (1.6 Duron at 2.28 GHz running 24/7 for months now).
Overclocking is an art, not a science. There are no guarantees that you are going to get the same overclock as everyone else with the same setup. The best advice I have been given is to do a lot of research, overclock in small increments, and be patient.
sami_la
05-11-04, 11:36 PM
Ok fine maybe my mobo sucks. But then why the **** temperature? I mean my ambiant temp is 22C and u should see the size of my rad. I mean i got 70 feet of copper tubing matched with a near industrial sized fan. And the pump sure is pushing hard, i had to go through epoxy, crazy glue, contact adhesive/sealant as well as 3 rolls of teflon and over 10 clamps to ensure no leakage. Not to mention patience and frustration. Took me the whole week end. And the RBX according to reviews, at the flow rate that i have and coupled with AS5 should have a maximum of 10degrees deltaT... at load. And i get a 20C delta T at idle. That makes me want to puke.
{Epsilon}Stalin
05-12-04, 04:15 PM
hello all, im new to the OC scene, in fact i registered yesterday. However, everyone starts somewhere right!!
so heres whats up, im building my first computer and getting all the hardware from newegg.com.
this is what the specs are gonna be:
P4 3.0E (Prescott) 800FSB 1MB cache w/ stock HSF
MSI i865PE Neo2-PFISR
1GB PC-3700 Kingston Hyperx (2x512)
ati Radeon 9600XT 256MB DDR (500/600)
SB Audigy ES
80GB SATA
Tt Xaser III w/ 420W and 4 case fans
the question: what do you all think i can OC her to? And will the stock HSF w/ some Arctic 5 be preferable or is the intel thermal interface sufficient?
thanks all
{Epsilon}Stalin
very nice thread. I totally agree that the mobo is the most important part of your system. Just think about it. it controls everything. I also think that if you are going to have a very succesful oc'ing adventure you cannot skip out on of your components.
Take me for example. I have not been in the ocing scene very long but have learned a great deal already. In fact i built a new system before i even got into overclocking or new anything about it. Now i got lucky with the processor i bought (3.0c), but very unlucky with the cheap mobo i originally had and i am still replacing virtually everything i originally had except my proccessor and psu.
I guess what I am trying to say is that i have learned, and I am still learning that if you really want a succesful overclock you need to research all of the components you are going to buy and get many opinions from other succesful oc'ers. Then when it comes time to buy your parts, do not skip out on anything or your system just may suffer that extra little bit, and in turn your oc will also.
Just my 3 cents. ;)
I ordered a P4 3.2 but I received a plain faced chip with "3.2" written on it with a sharpie. I went ahead and put it in my Asus P4C800 deluxe board and it XP saw it as a P4 2.0
I checked the bios and the chip appears to be some kind of "Unlocked?" chip. I adjusted the Ext frequency from the default 200 to 250 and raised the modifier from 12 to 14 and now it reads 3.5.
I DL the Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility from Intel and it said the chip was a 3.5 with a 1 gig bus.
At this point I am way in over my head so I have 2 questions...
1. Did I get ripped off?
2. If I didn't, how can I maximize the systems performance
user4711
10-01-04, 01:19 AM
CPUcool has a link that will tell you how to identifie your PLL
user4711
10-01-04, 01:23 AM
how can i find out my PLL type and manufacturer?
Many thanks!
Machotoys
CPUcool has a link that will tell you how to identify your PLL
keith1963
10-13-04, 12:14 AM
how do I overclock a P4 1.6 GHZ just a little without buying new hardware. I have an associate degree in electronics, so I know how to pull boards and make changes. but how ho you do it on a gateway 500 se, 1.6 GHZ, 256 RAM, 40 Gig HD. How do you get into the BIOS level on these machines? I just want to O/C the chip a little. I did it with a Dell 3 years ago and it still works great. Please help me, I just want to tweak the speed alittle.
user4711
10-13-04, 12:46 AM
what i have gathered so far is that it cant be done from inside the bios. a utility called CPUcool is supposed to let you tweak the FSB. but you have to identify the PLL on the mobo. some have said even this wont let you do it. while i have downloaded cpucool ,i have yet to open my case to identify the pll in my gateway 300.
ursine3000
10-15-04, 02:55 AM
I have a Shuttle AV49N motherboard, how do those stack up when it comes to overclocking? Should I invest in a new mobo and if so what would you recommend for the kid on a budget that just wants a little more juice?
Cemal Gurel
11-13-04, 08:19 AM
tainice,
BX is dead and the cat of yours get crazy I think! Why BX is dead is simple. Bcause it's North and South chipset's are only capable of 133MB/s as you know. On this type board you can not put a Raid 133 or PATA-Raid Card. If you do so, it will completely consume the transfer continuity of your mobo! You can not safely run your graphics, sound, ethernet, usb, other add on cards effectively. This is happenning on a 100MHz bus as you know. You get choke! And the cat gets mad because of it.
Yea, I don't want to play with others but, the BX subject is really out of popularity now. An only 2X capable graphics card of it, is a disaster. Even though BX is capable of 3X because of it's 100MHz bus, Intel deserved a 2X AGP bus to it. Todays 9xx cipsets are thus capable of 12X Graphics transfer, but with 16X later with 1066fsb.
Don't forget the onboard IDE 33. This only gives 25~30MB/s HDD transfer, which is really phased out. Now a minimum 40GB Seagate HDD has nearly 58~60MB/s at top readings speed with ~45MB/s average readings. Do you want to use that BX with at least 1,5~2 times slower for the minimum HDD drives?
When a board dies, let me tell you! The SLOWEST working thing on a PC is the HDD. When you can't increase the speed and capacity on a mobo, it becomes OUTDATED! Today 9xx chipset can run a 300MB tranferable SATA standard from the NEW PCI-X slot upto 250MB/s when an adapter is available. This makes it to survive about at least 3~4 more years then 875 chipset. So do NOT think to buy a 8xx chipset based mobo today like the BX, otherwise your cat gets MAD again!
Bye...
fyshawk
12-27-04, 05:33 PM
I have tried over clocking with my motherboard and it does it very well i myself went for the better motherboard so as i dont have to upgrade it too soon i just got this cpu and motherboard in febuary of 2004 and it is still running great :attn:
MethanolMan
01-03-05, 09:34 PM
I did my very first oc with out ever posting or asking a question all from reading
within these fourms. After I finished and it all worked then I registerd.
Did I mention that I had never built one before either. All of what I had done
from build it to oc it in 1 week was from reading these fourms.
Now I read for a long time mind ya but I still did it myself and all from What I Read here. "The week was getting the nerve to oc it putting it together was much more easy then I though it was going to be did that part in a half an hour." Remember I had never tried to build one before.
What CAN'T you learn from these fourms beyound me!!! but Thanks I will never buy
another pc ever again.
Datnigz2002
01-18-05, 03:56 PM
HELLO, I AM A NEWBIE.. THE NEWEST ONE EVER.. I'VE GOTTA QUESTION..
I read your post about boards and overclocking.. What advice can you give me in this matter.. Here is what I have.. I will like to try some things to improve my performance with my CPU..
CPU - Intel P4 1MB 3.0GHz 800FSB
Board - Intel D865PERL Board Intel Chipset 800FSB
2GB DDR400
Ultra320 SCSI 15K RPM 74GB Cheetah
Would I benefit from any Overclocking techniques? Do you have any? I'm mostly concerned about COOLING.. Let me know thanks..
user4711
01-20-05, 07:04 PM
I was under the impression that an Intel board would not let you adjust the front side bus and so cant be over clocked. Other than that your system seems right up there.
__Game_Start__
02-04-05, 11:54 PM
anything about overclocking laptops ?
nbtekim
03-22-05, 03:13 PM
very interesting
Like MethanolMan I got all what I know now about overclocking from reading articles on this forum. This is the first forum that I came across with. And I am still learning. I built my first system based upon reading all that I can through here. I got my p4c800Edlx/3.2Prescott stable at 3.8 just by reading all the tips and howto's on this forum. My goal is the 4000Mhz and I already got some tips from you guys.
Like MethanolMan I got all what I know now about overclocking from reading articles on this forum. This is the first forum that I came across with. And I am still learning. I built my first system based upon reading all that I can through here. I got my p4c800Edlx/3.2Prescott stable at 3.8 just by reading all the tips and howto's on this forum. My goal is the 4000Mhz and I already got some tips from you guys.
ajlot i dont know ur sys specs but i have almost the same proc as you, check out the thread here: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=378519 ive hit some speeds :D
Thanks for the tip nstabl, I have been busy lately and did not have time to check on this thread. I got a new psu to run my rig, antec neopower, I hope it will help me in my goal. I have an issue with my ram voltage, and need to call asus. When bios is set at 2.85 and I check with my multimeter it fluctuates so bad from 1.7 to 1.3. The only consolation I have is that I have done the droop mod succesfuly.
unclefrank
06-04-05, 01:08 PM
I am completely new to advanced computing but please humour me:-)
my spec is P4 1.7Ghz skt 478 willamette FSB 400 Mhz 256Kb L2
1024 Mb DDR SDRAM 333Mhz PC2700
256Mb N Vidia GeForce A310
My bios has an overclocking function and within this are the relative voltages and the CPU frequency (min= 100; max= 165) what is the maximum i can raise this before I affect other hardware devices and will it give any performance gains without having to change any ram settings?
also, I am able to enter a hexidecimal number for my CPU, i will update on teh parameters but what can I do to this to improve system performance and what do I have to do tokeep stability as I am learning this trade:-)
Thank you for your wisdom.
I have full access to all of the latency and voltage settings for my ram if you have any advice on that also:-)
3DFlyer
06-25-05, 08:20 PM
I read this thread from the beginning, and it amazing to see some of the members sigs and what they were OC'ing in '01. It's also amazing to see that the best motherboards for OC'ing are still Abit and Asus.
It takes a great motherboard indeed with a BIOS that has changeable parameters we can get. It also takes a good CPU, and I've found that certain lots of CPU's are better than others, so I look for speciffic lot numbers. I've also founf that speciffic RAM OC's better.
One must do their homework and READ as another poster stated if you want good successful, and more importantly STABLE OC's. Great Post Batboy! :)
funefulla
07-24-05, 02:23 PM
Hold on there batboy...I'll see your secret and raise you another one. The real secret to great ocing, even before the mobo, is the wealth of knowledge in forums like this one.
After the Beginners' Guide (where you'll get an understanding of the basic elements) and the CPU database (where you'll get an understanding of what's achievable), the best advise to fellow rookies is to read through a couple of months worth of posts from forum members. By the time you're done, you'll know what you need for the heart of your system.
It'll depend on short/long term objectives. You say potato, I say spud...You say tomato, I say marinara...well you understand. Some prefer AMD, some Intel. Some will oc the limits of a mid range cpu, and spend extra dollars on custom cooling and oc tolerant components...Some will go with stock cooling and standard components, and direct the extra dollars towards a faster cpu.
When my objective was a little ocing, the system I had was perfectly fine. When my objective was great ocing, the tips on what & where to get the right components (keeping price in mind) came from tapping the brains of veterans.
So the real secret revealed is...READ.
"That's all I have to say about that." (re: Forest Gump)
thank you very much...i'm a n00b, and i've been reading alot. it's been hard trying to gather the bits and peices of information i need from all different places, but i think this is the best advice. ty
Heh, wish I had read this post before I bought that MicroATX board (thinking it would actually OC) around a year and half ago. :bang head
You know, I had a system built for me by a friend about a year ago, and he threw in some decent parts which happened to include an ASUS mobo. Now awhile back, I decided that I wanted to try to o/c because my compy wasn't giving me the preformance i wanted. To make a long story short, on my first attempt, I got a 2.4GHz Celeron D to run at 3.2GHz (stable) at only a 2 ~ 4 degree change at idle. I think that was because of all the articles I've read on sites like this place!
I'm sure that plenty of people have already said this, but still, all the advice people were giving in this post about reading first, and doing later is very true.
I just want to say thanks to all you folk who help us newbies out in our struggles. It's pretty awesome.
mrface05
12-27-05, 12:25 AM
sup people.. my name is "face" and im sort of a noob.. well i just got a sony rb50 computer for christmas.... i want to overclock the pentium 4 (ht) 3.2ghz it came with.. but i have NO idea what mobo i have... how do i find out!??!?
maddog39
05-23-06, 03:35 PM
Well its didnt take me very long to figure out that the motherboard was key. Although I over clocked my computer without a good motherboard, but it did really limit me. :S
_Elmstreet_
07-05-06, 12:18 PM
I competely understand the proprietary mobo non overclocking ability (like my crappy SR1111NX compaq) but are there jumpers on the mobo itself that i could increase the FSB with?
blink922
08-25-06, 02:28 AM
Yeah a good OCing mobo is probably one of the most important factors in OCing. Just do what I did, research research research! And ask questions! :)
soulrider4ever
08-30-06, 07:17 AM
This deserves more respect. Bump!
Hold on there batboy...I'll see your secret and raise you another one. The real secret to great ocing, even before the mobo, is the wealth of knowledge in forums like this one.
After the Beginners' Guide (where you'll get an understanding of the basic elements) and the CPU database (where you'll get an understanding of what's achievable), the best advise to fellow rookies is to read through a couple of months worth of posts from forum members. By the time you're done, you'll know what you need for the heart of your system.
It'll depend on short/long term objectives. You say potato, I say spud...You say tomato, I say marinara...well you understand. Some prefer AMD, some Intel. Some will oc the limits of a mid range cpu, and spend extra dollars on custom cooling and oc tolerant components...Some will go with stock cooling and standard components, and direct the extra dollars towards a faster cpu.
When my objective was a little ocing, the system I had was perfectly fine. When my objective was great ocing, the tips on what & where to get the right components (keeping price in mind) came from tapping the brains of veterans.
So the real secret revealed is...READ.
"That's all I have to say about that." (re: Forest Gump)
I have to agree. I read through all your forums for many days before I tried overclocking. It has taken about 6 months of research and reading these threads. Now I have my Pentium D 3.0G running at 3.6G and it runs at 49 deg under load. I could push it further I'm sure, but it runs perfect just the way it is so I want get greedy. I'd like to thank all the kick :clap: @$$ people on this forum for my new found knowledge. :clap:
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