p4 probs

[pacboy22]

hello all, i recentyl bought a p4 system with 1.5ghz 384 sdram on a asus p4b-lx mobo and everything seemed to be fine it was running fast and good with bencmarks then i realized its heating up to much so i bought a new case and rebuilt everything in there and it is realy realy realy slow i cant even run 3d mark 2001 with higer then 3 fps or smmetin like that so if you can please help me with this problem thanx in advance

[Kulchenko]

do who use a 300w power supply or you use the power supply that come with the case? The p4 require a 300w power

[Dissolved]

im an amd, guy but i could still help ya..

gimme all the spec's u can on ur system...
you should have a 300watt or higher psu, and u may need a better hsf.. does ur mobo give u temp readsings? those would also help..

[pacboy22]

ok i have a asus p4b-lx mobo with p4 1.5ghz and 384 pc 133 sdram and a cheap tnt2 m64 grahpin card and i gues thats all with stock cooling

[minoukat]

Originally posted by pacboy22
ok i have a asus p4b-lx mobo with p4 1.5ghz and 384 pc 133 sdram and a cheap tnt2 m64 grahpin card and i gues thats all with stock cooling

P4 have the thermal protection that helps them when they are overheating, as they slow down till temps go to a reasonable amount. And that vid card shouldn't be the problem as I have one and ran 3d mark 2001 and still ran excellent (maybe not, but not @ 3 FPS). Again what PSU are u using ? is it the one that came with the case or the old one that you moved in the new case ?

[pacboy22]

im using the old power supply but when i run 3d mark 2001 i think its goin that slow cuz my pc is runnin like that but dunt kno why

[Yodums]

What are the temperatures?

[pacboy22]

temps are unbelievably high at 88c not lower then 87.0c ever and im sure its c not f

[minoukat]

then that's maybe your slow comp problem : you P4 is clock thottling to find a clock speed that is low enough for the CPU to run at safe speeds. That depends if the temps you just read are true. If they are, go out and get some GOOD cooling !

[Yodums]

Originally posted by pacboy22
temps are unbelievably high at 88c not lower then 87.0c ever and im sure its c not f

If the P4 coolers aren't as bad as those Slot 1 like I have remove it apply some artic silver a thin layer and then see if the temps are good. Turn off the comp and put your fingers around the heatsink and turn to move it around to see if its moving around...
Just don't apply pressure down to the core.

[pacboy22]

k thanx any good ideas for the p4 socket 478 ? meaning cooling?

[Mike360000]

Yep most definitely you have a heating problem -- BAD! If you had an Athlon you would have probably destroyed it by now........

If you used/left the heat/thermal tape on the heatsink and then removed the heatsink, that would account for your higher temps in your new system. I guess the fan is turning up to speed?

Anyhow the best heatsink/fan, *esoecially* for the money is the AVC Sunflower. This is the same company that makes the H/F for Intel! And word is Intel helped AVC design the Sunflower, and Intel has certified the Sunflower for their cpu's. Meaning Intel cpu's are warranted using the Sunflower. And get this the Sunflower is only about 26 bux!

I put a Sunflower on my new system this past week. It is a P4 1.7 ghz oc'ed to 2159 mhz. My temps with the Sunflower, using Artic Silver, was about 45c idle and I've not seen it any higher than 54-55c. And I only have 1 extra case fan in my case. Not too bad, eh?

Anyhow I found this company that I really liked that carried the Sunflower, from where I ordered, including the Artic Silver. The company's owner gives personal service, and quick. And I am a stickler for good service.

Try here for your Sunflower:
http://1coolpc.com/home/

Cheers,
Mike Lamb
PS They should be posting my new system in the database next time they update it. I filled out my form yesterday.

[pacboy22]

thanx alot ya'll for the help ill see what i can do. one more thing isnt the swiftech the best ? with the all coppoer heatsink and a giant fan

[Grande Juan]

Hey thanks for the info Mike, I've been looking for a reputable place to get one of those, just ordered one. One thing though, my temps are currently about the same as yours now, with stock HSF and thermal pad. What were your temps before the sunflower install? Pacboy cool that baby down quik, the swiftech is good and loud, but your stock HSF should be working way better than it appears to be. Are you sure its properly installed?

[Mike360000]

The Sunflower has a large copper base also.
The Swiftech is marginally better. However it is much more expensive and its' fan is much noiser, as it has something like a 6400rpm or greater fan. OTOH it is a snap to change fans on the Sunflower if you want a larger/faster fan. You don't even need any tools to change fans. I think it comes down to whatever the person feels comfortable with.

Cheers,
Mike Lamb

[Yodums]

Originally posted by pacboy22
thanx alot ya'll for the help ill see what i can do. one more thing isnt the swiftech the best ? with the all coppoer heatsink and a giant fan

Yes Swiftech is the best cooler for P4 in my opinion although kind of pricey... Aren't Sunflower's hard to find? You can also go with the Volcano 7 which is at a reasonable price and performance.

[pacboy22]

yes im pretty sure its sitting right becuz i had these temps since the first day igot my pc looks like sony ripped me of i got some cheap heatsink fan for like one of those old socket 370 celeron type of hsf wasnt i suposed to get a intel hsf with mr p4?

[minoukat]

not to worry, every "home" computer manufacturer will ripp you off at some point by selling you this PC

[pacboy22]

yes thats true anyway thanx for all your help guys.:D

[batboy]

I agree, your temps are way too hot and are probably why it's acting like a slug. While I recommend a better CPU cooler whenever you do any real overclocking, I bet you can bring those temps down considerably while you save up for and/or order a new cooler. Remove that heatsink, clean up whatever crud they put on it (thermal pad, etc.) and reinstall the sink with a good thermal paste like Arctic Silver (or thermal paste from Radio Shack). I provide one link to some socket 478 CPU coolers (although I wasn't clear if yours was a socket 423 or 478...they have different mounting retainers and take different coolers).

http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p5.htm

[pacboy22]

its a socket 478

[trey_w]

those temps are scary

and your right, you would of fried a AMD by now

good luck,

maybe look into watercooling eventually

my P4 overclocked never gets higher than 32C

[Yodums]

Originally posted by trey_w
those temps are scary

and your right, you would of fried a AMD by now

good luck,

maybe look into watercooling eventually

my P4 overclocked never gets higher than 32C

They usually get to 40-50 Celius Full Load. Most likely 45.

[pacboy22]

dunt know what the problem with mine is but do you think if i get that new artic silver wo and a swiftech cooler it would be better?

[Mike360000]

I'd say that's the most likely cause of your problems. I mean there isn't anything else much to cause your problems. Matter of fact, if your fan is working, you could probably just clean of the thermal tape and put some thermal paste on the H/F and be just fine. If you have the money to burn, you could get the swiftech, but you will have a jet to hear all the time, and I guarantee it! Or you can get a cheaper H/F that won't cost so much and be quiter sounding. Anyhow, I think you're on the right track. But I would just try the cleaning the old tape off and using the paste first.

Cheers,
Mike Lamb
PS: I forgot. In reference to another post above. I bet you have a 423 pin cpu. I say this because of your cpu speed as well as having bought a complete system. That would limit you to H/F coolers for that cpu. But be sure to check, to be sure first.

[Grande Juan]

I'd say a slice of cucumber, and a piece of bread would be better than your current settup. But seriously I just lapped my HS and replaced the thermal pad with Artic Silver II, and installed a LianLi MF-2100 HDD cooler, my temps only dropped 4c, sunflower on the way. Anyway before you shell out the dough for the swiftech, try to fix what you have, it should run way cooler than that even with the stock thermal pad. Did you remove the HS and then just stick it back on or what? Does your case have any fans?

[Yodums]

Yes I'd recommend you to clean the crap Intel slacked on and replace it with Artic Silver II...

If you don't see improvements I think you may have to dish out some money.

Although its worth a try because it may work fine afterall and you may not need a new heatsink and fan if it works unless you overclock.

[funnyperson1]

i agree with Grande Juan with those temps youd be better off super gluing a loaf of bread using toothpaste as thermal paste....also the swifty will run you about 80$ with the heat the P4 puts out its not worth it, the sunflower is god, not nearly as good as the swifty but price for performance is much better...

[Grande Juan]

Funnyperson, I don't think the sunflower is god, but I'm getting one in a couple of days, I'll let you know hee hee.:)

[pacboy22]

i bought a new thermal grease but no the artic silver but i cleaned the other one and put the new on and it doesnt seem to make things better, if not worse.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by pacboy22
i bought a new thermal grease but no the artic silver but i cleaned the other one and put the new on and it doesnt seem to make things better, if not worse.

Give us some details.. Is your heatsink making some full contact how much did you put it should be a thin layer. Try moving the heatsink around and see if it moves.

[pacboy22]

by the way how much am i supposed to put? cuz ihave the socket 478 chip and the core is covered with soem metal thing over it?

[funnyperson1]

it doesnt seem to me that the heatsink is making proper contact, make sure your socket is not broken and ius runnign correctly....also Grande Juan, sorry bout the typo, the sunflower is good, not god ;)

[pacboy22]

how could it be because it justs tartedt o happen like that by itself before ieven unscrewed the case?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by pacboy22
how could it be because it justs tartedt o happen like that by itself before ieven unscrewed the case?

crappy construction, i suggest while the heatsink is seated to see if when you shine a flashligth through one side can you see it out the other if so reseat the heatsink...also maybe the mountign mechanism itself is damaged or it was put on the wrong way...

[pacboy22]

you might have got the mounting part right how am i supposed to kno wether its right or not?

[funnyperson1]

i normally come up with cheap ghetto solutions (this is the same guy who tried to tie a 486 heatsink using string to his geforce2 , needless to say it didnt work:D ) but i would suggest booting up into the bios and oberving the temps, now getsomeone else (or if your nimble do it yourself) to push the heatsink against the cpu applying some pressure after a minute or soo see if the temp went down also this may sound stupid, but scheck to see if the fan is turning, if it isnt make sure it is plugged in....

[pacboy22]

you know there is a major prob in my bios it tels me its around 35c but when my computer boots up all my temp programs like hardare sensor monitor and mbm5 tell me its 88c! wat can i do ? and if the bios is acttaully is right any my system is ok how come its so slow ? thats my big question ? help me with this matter please

[unknownchicken]

dang! ur comp is really messed.

[pacboy22]

what can i do its really a pain ??:confused:

[funnyperson1]

normally i would trust the bios over everything and also set the right sensor in mbm 5 and make sure it doesnt say 88F and the others say 35C....if your temps are in check i have no reason why you comp is running so slow...

[pacboy22]

thanx for all the advice so far but just one more question before i leave. in the bios were it has the option were i can enable or disable the cache the level 1 and two so the question is wats better to desable level one and enable level 2? or disable level 2 and enable level 1 or enable both?

[deez]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
i normally come up with cheap ghetto solutions (this is the same guy who tried to tie a 486 heatsink using string to his geforce2 , needless to say it didnt work:D )

HAHA I tried to attach a new heatsink to my BX chipset with rubber bands and some metal pieces from a clip last week. Also tried wrapping wire around some screws.

I've got a slotket held on with zip ties in the other system..those things work great

[pacboy22]

can anyone please answer my question about the level 1 and 2 cache? thanx in advance and does it make a difference between a 260watt ps or a 300?

[deez]

enable both

[pacboy22]

oh alright thanc all for the help.

[Malakai]

did you clean all of intels thermal grease off of the hsf AND the processor. once i installed a new HSF without cleaning the melted thermal pad off of the processor. temps skyrocketed. go to this url for detailed instructions on how to remove the old thermal pad.
link:http://www.arcticsilver.com/PDF/Compound%20Instructions.pdf

[pacboy22]

oh alright cool ill checkt it out thanx.;)

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by pacboy22
can anyone please answer my question about the level 1 and 2 cache? thanx in advance and does it make a difference between a 260watt ps or a 300?

theres is a difference i see no reason that if you could afford a P4 why you shouldnt get 30-40$ 300W PSU , just for safety's sake...

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by deez


HAHA I tried to attach a new heatsink to my BX chipset with rubber bands and some metal pieces from a clip last week. Also tried wrapping wire around some screws.

I've got a slotket held on with zip ties in the other system..those things work great

i cant afford zip ties:rolleyes:

[pacboy22]

when i load up sisoft sandra i got to mainboard information then on the bottom were all tips and info are it tells me "smbios/dmi information may be inaccurate" what is that supopsed to mean ?

[unknownchicken]

im getting that too. i dont think it is the problem because my cpu temp is running fine as is the flops and mhz.

[pacboy22]

oh what about my ram its pc 133 and it tellsme its running at 72 does that mean anything bad or will that slow me down?

[funnyperson1]

yes that would definately slow you down......try tweaking some bios options to make sure your cpu/mobo/sdram is running at the correct bus speed...

[funnyperson1]

yes that would definately slow you down......try tweaking some bios options to make sure your cpu/mobo/sdram is running at the correct bus speed...your ram should be ruuning at 100

[pacboy22]

ok thanx i do this all from the bios?

[funnyperson1]

yup...also to see if its the cpu throttling down tell us what your sandra scores are...

[pacboy22]

scores are really messed up its dhrystone alu 684mips and
whetstone fpu/sse2 192/439

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by pacboy22
scores are really messed up its dhrystone alu 684mips and
whetstone fpu/sse2 192/439

it definately looks like cpu throttling there.....whats up with this?

[pacboy22]

i have no idea im mad confused i dont know what to do any advice or help would be nice

[Yodums]

So what is the problem? Still temperatures?

[pacboy22]

i guess but ilke some else told me before it doesnt matter that the heatsink and fan is cheap but temps cannot be that high but i dont know what to do and im not al that high on money so a ouple of tips here and ther and il be fine hopefully

[Yodums]

Originally posted by pacboy22
i guess but ilke some else told me before it doesnt matter that the heatsink and fan is cheap but temps cannot be that high but i dont know what to do and im not al that high on money so a ouple of tips here and ther and il be fine hopefully

Bring it back to your seller and complain. Make sure everything is back the way it is before you bring it back.

Say I've been experiencing lockups and I've been asking friends why and he said its because of the heat and the chip, and he installed the probe with the drivers on the bios(if they are or just say a third party program) and he found out the temperatures were around 70 celius while he said normal temperatures should only be around 40.

And they should test it and see that its all screwed and they should RMA it some how.

Hoping you bought it from a local store.

[pacboy22]

ohthat sux because its a sony computer and i rebuild it to a new case and i dont thinkthats gonna help much because the most theyll do is send me a nwe one no money back and affter i got it i heard sony sucks

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by pacboy22
ohthat sux because its a sony computer and i rebuild it to a new case and i dont thinkthats gonna help much because the most theyll do is send me a nwe one no money back and affter i got it i heard sony sucks

take it to the shop, and ask the guy to try it out with a different heatsink and see if it runs fine there....

[pacboy22]

alright thanx for all the help everyone

[Yodums]

Man I hope your not too down especially aorund the xmas holidays sorry it happens :/

Well good luck with it man.

[pacboy22]

thanx..yes hopefuly i wont be to down because i have a freind that might hook me up with a motherboard andda athlon 900 or sometin and that wont give me probs hopefully :D but like i said thanx again for everyones help. and hope yall dont have as much probs as me for ths coming x-mas

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by pacboy22
thanx..yes hopefuly i wont be to down because i have a freind that might hook me up with a motherboard andda athlon 900 or sometin and that wont give me probs hopefully :D but like i said thanx again for everyones help. and hope yall dont have as much probs as me for ths coming x-mas
'if yer still having problems you can always send me the P4 :D

[Grande Juan]

Man I feel for you pacboy, been checkin out your posts for a couple of weeks now, even on other sites. Still sounds like a major cooling issue though. Didn't you swap cases and add fans, and replace the thermal pad with ASII?

[pacboy22]

i will get the artic silver 2 and hopefully i will get the swiftech and if i cant get that i will get avc sunflower

[JetMech]

I've been reading this thread for a while now and am amazed that no one has suggested a physical touch on the heatsink to see if it is really that hot. 88c = 190.4f. Water boils at 212f. If that chip is that hot it will be very uncomfortable to touch. Try it. I can't imagine a THROTTLED down P4 getting that hot. That temp is above the Intel spec max for that cpu. there is another problem somewhere and until you confirm an actual overheat you'll never start tell what else you did. I would undo the system and redo it paying close attention to everything. Is the mobo grounded properly. Are you using a p4 power supply. When attempting an upgrade that requires so many components to be moved reinstall minimumally and gradually install your other components. I believe your registry is so confused with the reinstall of the components that dumb a** windows finds and treats as though they're new to the sys could be causeing the problems. Also make sure your ram settings are correct.