-HELP- 8500 radeon owners

[Silversinksam]

Can someone that owns a Radeon 8500 Oem or Retail please do me a favor?

Right click my computer and hit properties >devise manager>Display properties>Highlight RADEON 8500 and hit properties>details

Please tell me this info and if your card is Retail or ODM/OEM

Bios version is -
Bios Part Number -
Bios Date-

If not to much trouble can you list the Fastest setting you can achieve artifact free


Im just trying to figure out what the deal with my card is.

I cant understand why my Vmem is 3.5 and not the OEM default of 3.15Vmem, and able to run 300/300 without the bios flash nor a voltage mod.

(Trust me Im not complaining just trying to figure this mystery out so I can help others) This OEM came from Royal Pc and is a China made card. I also wanna thank the OEM manufacturer as I am sure ATI would be ****ed that this OEM is as fast or faster than the $299 retail box.) :burn:


Thanks in Advance,

Sam

[-Exi|e-]

I dont own a Radeon 8500 but have you tried posting your question over at www.rage3d.com ?

[Silversinksam]

-Exi|e-,

I have the same post there as well, thanks for the suggestion.

Im trying to compile a list of the Bios versions to solve my riddle.


:burn:

[-Exi|e-]

Oh, im sorry i didnt bother to look there as well, silly me:rolleyes: Is there a manufacturing date on the card? And as i understand (plz tell me if im wrong) that your card was not "Built by ATI", might just be that this manufacturer put the memory at 3.5v instead of 3.15vmem, OEM cards are known to be different from the retail one, more so if they are made by a third party. I hope i understood right;)

[Silversinksam]

My card is a Powered by ATI, not a Made by ATI(I have a chinese made 8500) has a made in China sticker on back lol

Heres the info I have thus far, I just wanted to know the Bios info, if its a retail or OEM and the fastest setting you can go while being artifact free


OEM- Mav
270/263
ASIC-Typ R200
ASIC ID 514c
BIOS 1.009
NR. 114-85704-103
Date 2001/10/04


Retail-Skrill
Bios Version: 1.009
Bios Part #: 113-85701-102
Bios Date: 2001/09/19

Mine (OEM) 310/300
The Bios version is 1.009
Bios Part Number 113-85703-103
Bios Date 2001/10/04



I realize the ODM's make them differently but I was under the assumption that ATI forced the ODM makers to use a 3.15 Vmem setting. Ill know more soon



Per ATI-
Q1: What is a “Powered by ATI” Partner Product?

A1:
An ATI Partner Product is a graphics board that is based on an ATI chipset but manufactured by a company other than ATI. These other manufacturers, sometimes referred to as Original Design Manufacturers (ODM’s) or Add-in Board (AIB) manufacturers, buy ATI graphics chips and design their own board product around it. This allows them to decide what product features, performance and pricing are best suited to the marketplace. This provides consumers with a greater choice in graphics products to meet their configuration, performance or budget needs while delivering the technical excellence found in ATI graphics chips.


Q3: Does a Partner Product vary in performance and functionality to an ATI Retail Product?

A3:
Since Partner Products are based on ATI chipset technology, it is possible for Partner Products to have the same features and performance as ATI retail products. However, ATI chipsets do support a wide variety of memory configurations and display output options that allow Partner Products to also come in a multitude of performance and feature configurations. Please visit the websites of our Partner Product manufacturers for vendor specific specifications.

[Wega!]

I have the OEM card, and my mumbers are these:

Bios version: 1.009
Part number: 113-85704-103
Bios date: 2001/10/4

I hope that can help you Sam.....

[Silversinksam]

Thanks Walter,

Heres the updated list:

OEM-Walter
4ns Hynix
Bios version: 1.009
Part number: 113-85704-103
Bios date: 2001/10/4


Retail-Zman
285/275
Bios version is - 1.009
Bios Part Number - 113-85701-102
Bios Date- 2001/09/19


OEM-Irreligious(with Bios Flash)
275/275
Bios version is - 1.009
Bios Part Number - 113-85701-102
Bios Date- 2001/09/19


Retail-JFalcon
285/285 (stock cooling)
Bios version is - 1.009
Bios Part Number - 113-85701-102
Bios Date- 2001/09/19


Retail-MaxKool
310/310
Bios version: 1.09
Bios Part # : 113-85701-102
Bios Date: 2001/09/19


Retail-pxc
300/300
BIOS Version 1.009
BIOS Part Number 113-85701-102
BIOS Date 2001/09/19



Retail -Tinker-box
Bios Version 1.009
Bios Part Number 113-85701-102
Bios Date 2001/09/19



OEM- Mav
270/263
ASIC-Typ R200
ASIC ID 514c
BIOS 1.009
NR. 114-85704-103
Date 2001/10/04


Retail-Skrill
305/285
Bios Version: 1.009
Bios Part #: 113-85701-102
Bios Date: 2001/09/19



Retail card-leanderj
290/297
Bios Version: 1.009
Bios Part #: 113-85702-102
Bios Date: 2001/09/19


Retail- euan
Bios V: 1.009
Bios Part #: 113-85702-102
Date:2001/09/19


OEM- xgodxicex
ASIC Type - R200
ASIC ID - 514c
250/250 (default)
BIOS Version - 1.009
BIOS Part Number - 113-85703-103
BIOS Date - 2001/10/04


retail -Orgy
292/292
Bios Version: 1.009
Bios Part #: 113-85701-102
Bios Date: 2001/09/19


Retail 8500 -Homer Simpson
305/305
Bios version: 1.009
Bios part number: 113-85702-102
Bios date: 2001/09/19


Retail Radeon 8500 -Pressure
Bios version: 1.009
Bios part number: 113-85702-102
Bios date: 2001/09/19


Mine (OEM)-Silversink
310/300
The Bios version is 1.009
Bios Part Number 113-85703-103
Bios Date 2001/10/04


HeXiDeciMaL wrote this

"Seems like the retail BIOS end with -102 and OEMs end with -103
Mines an OEM flashed with retail BIOS and its -102

I think your card was really a RETAIL card but somehow got flashed with OEM BIOS, which would explain everything. Its not uncommon for this to happen cuz the demand for OEM versions of the card would be A LOT higher than Retails, so if ATi doesn't have enough OEMs in stock, they'll just take some retail cards and flash em with OEM BIOS.

Physically, both cards are the SAME cept for the resistors and BIOS versions, so it doesn't cost ATi MORE to make a Retail card than an OEM (except for the newer OEMs which have crappy 4ns ram)

The ONLY difference between Retail and OEM BIOS is the default clock @ which the cards are set to, i'm sure that 95% of all the ppl who flashed their OEM cards with Retail BIOS will tell you that they DID NOT gain anything in overclocking. I know I didn't."



The reason the BIOS FLASH isnt the magic bullet is due to the fact that there is a Voltage issue that the BIOS FLASH DOES NOT RECTIFY, BUT MACCI DID COME UP WITH A SOLUTION The Link below tells you how to fix this undervoltage issue, then the BIOS FLASH SHOULD WORK AS FIRST THOUGHT




Here is a link to test the Vmem on your OEM (Picture) http://virtual5.nebula.fi/~efidata/images/macci/ati/ramvoltage.jpg


This thread goes into detail , pay particular attention to Macci's posts he is astute on this matter (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33588280&perpage=20&pagenumber=19)



:eek:

[Wega!]

Wow, look's like you have been busy! I guess this still doesn't help me, because I got 4ns RAM's :(

BTW Sam, you should empty you PM box, because it's full....

[Silversinksam]

Thanks Walter, My PM box filled up rather quickly the last couple days, just cleaned it up.

Thanks for the reminder.


Sam

[Ottoman]

BIOS vers: 7.004
BIOS part number: 113-84801-103
BIOS date: 2001/11/14



here's my card..

Built by ATI... AIW 8500 DV...

POOOOOPPPPP

[hpotter]

Bios Version - 7.005
Bios Part Number - 113-85707-100
Bios Date - 2001/11/27

I got this OEM from Newegg about a month ago. I also have the 3.6ns ram.

[BigRed]

Retail directly from ati. made in canada :p

Bios Version: 7.004
Bios P/N: 113-85701-103
Bios Date: 2001/11/07

um... why do i have a oem bios on a retail card?
http://members.acer-access.com/bigred@acer-access.com/Clocks.JPG

[ken257]

Bios version is: 7.004
Bios Part Number: 113-85701-103
Bios Date: 2001/11/07

I just got the Retail 8500 yesterday and haven't messed with OCing it yet but I did confirm thet it is running at 275/275 factory default.

[Henry Rollins II]

Bios version: 1.009
Bios Part Number: 113-85704-103
Bios date: 2001/10/07

I´m not exatly sure what card I have; I´m just in the middle of an argument with my supplier over what it is, and why it was used. :(

I think it´s an ATI OEM(8500LE) version, it has a 102 part number and is clocked at 250/250.

If anybody can tell for sure if it really is that I would appreciate it.

regards,
Henry.

[John1975]

Bios version: 1.009
Bios Part Number: 113-85701-102
Bios date: 2001/09/19

Retail and stock speed for now. I think I got 300 from it when I first got it.

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Henry Rollins II
Bios version: 1.009
Bios Part Number: 113-85704-103
Bios date: 2001/10/07

I think it´s an ATI OEM(8500LE) version, it has a 102 part number and is clocked at 250/250.

If anybody can tell for sure if it really is that I would appreciate it.

regards,
Henry.



Henry, you have an OEM and actually you are luckier then some, as some OEM's are 220 or 230 core and memory :mad:

[Henry Rollins II]

Thanx Sam,

that´s what I thought. My supplier claim it´s an "XpertVision".....

regards,
Henry

[jdmcnudgent]

here it is.

[Starfoxer]

Retail
1.009
300/300

metal orb coming in the mail, maybe that will help but i
know i need some ram spreaders for the card.

[Big Nuttz]

Here is mine. Mine's OEM flashed to retail and voltage modded.

[pmorcos]

bios 7.005
113-85707-100
2001/11/27 and
3.6ns ram

BTW.....I don't see anywhere i can change core/mem speed in the latest driver....is this a separate utility?

thanks,
paul