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RoadWarrior
12-18-01, 01:23 AM
I saw those LED fans and thought they were kinda cute......

... but kinda pointless.

Then I remembered something else I'd seen.....
mechanically scanned clock (http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/3685/analog.htm)

and the braincells went into overtime. :)

So, ( and I guess some of you may be way ahead of me with that little hint) here's an extremely cool plan I am considering. Dunno if I'll ever get round to it, I have way too many ideas and way too little time.

There's a few ways to follow this train of thought to make LED fans a little more interesting. i) the ultimate, a large 120mm fan modded with an array of LEDs a PIC in the hub for timing and driving it, that displays real time temperature and speed readings.
ii) simpler digital or analogue electronics in the hub (smaller fans possible) to make the LEDs "chase" or similar resulting in pulsing circle patterns.

So here's how I think you could make it work.....

For the "ultimate" you need a large fan, 120mm in the front of your case would be best. You need I think a minimum of 7 LEDs to make a decent character display, and you need the area of a 120mm to do that in. Also you need the torque to spin all the electronics you are gonna stick on it.

Now the only connection from the PC to the fan I would have at all is the power. That makes things far more managable. How do I figure on transferring any data for real time temp display? Simple! Infra red link to the PIC or microcontroller, on the hub. No wires no problem!.

Next consideration is keeping the blades as clean as possible. Now if you pull apart a 7 segment display you'll see tiny little surface mount diodes,..... bingo! So since there's 7 blades on most fans and we can do a display with 7 diodes, we can put one on each blade to keep it balanced. Now I consider the best approach to wiring the things to the hub might well be conductive paint. No heavy wiring to mess up the balance, and you can paint equal lenght stripes on each blade easily, so it looks kinda okay when stopped.

Also we need to keep things real small on the hub, I woud suggest either surface mount or semi free form wiring, with everything taken directly to the chips pins using the chip as the base for the circuit. The right PICs will be able to drive the LEDs directly and take input from an IR diode directly. also you need to arrange an RPM indicator for the PIC to compensate the timing.

I'd cover the hub with a "spinner" like they have on airplane propellers, You might find one at a chop that deals in RC model aircraft or use the top of a plastic egg to neatly conceal the electronics on the hub.

For less than the ultimate, simple chaser light circuits with no IR link should be straightforward and a bit more exciting than just rings of light. I'd recommend using the miniature lights and paint connections for these too though. This will be more adaptable to smaller fans I would think.

anyway, that's my ideas for a truly awesome LED fan mod, hope it is useful to other people, I'd really love to do it someday. Thing is, my mods tend to look a bit ghetto, aimed at function rather than form, so I don't know if I'll ever have a nice enough case to show this off to full advantage. I figure some of you guys might run with it and make a really nice centerpiece for a custom case out of it or something.

regards,

Road Warrior

RoadWarrior
12-18-01, 05:50 PM
Okay that site appears to be having some bandwidth probs, so here's a couple more links of the same sort of thing.....
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/campus/9489/propclock.html


http://hot-streamer.com/hilo90mhz/electronics/prop_clock.htm

And a pic off that first site.....

RoadWarrior
12-18-01, 05:51 PM
another pic...

Crash893
12-18-01, 08:46 PM
looks cool
i think a fan would be fairl easy to adapt

BinarySuperman
12-20-01, 09:33 PM
that could be used to tell cpu temps, now that would be cool:eek:

kronchev
12-27-01, 11:24 AM
actually itd be cooler to have it display the CPU usage

btw, that was too much to read, i think you got too excited and rambled

RoadWarrior
12-27-01, 09:56 PM
Yeah, there's all sorts of things you could have it display....
Server/network response time when fragging online.
CPU load.
Memory usage.
Burn progress.
MP4 frames per second when ripping.
etc etc.

Sounds a little excited because I was tryna keep it short, coulda rambled a LOT longer :)

Road Warrior

Gandalf
01-01-02, 12:22 PM
SO are you gonna make one?

Crash893
01-02-02, 09:40 AM
im not sure it would actually fan would it. the one on the link

still looks cool

-=Godspeed9mm=-
01-05-02, 02:45 AM
(im not trying to flame)
but that sounds like a pointless waits of money and time to me..
I would try it, except for the fact of failure..

I guess its just me.. but figure you screw up atleast 8 fans before you get it descently working..

timing it.. also you would need a speed controll.. to set it right...
making the electronis would be easy.. speed, power switch, wiring the led's, the the problem is, if you put 1 oz of leds and wires on a blads of the fan, your going to throw it off balance. and it will literally shake itself apart.. think about a car radiator fan, break 1 blade off, what will it do.. ecaxtly..

Thats the way i look at it.. its a nice project.. but too much complexity for 120 mm of space... and also the lifetime of the fan itself would be changed, especially if you counterbalanced each blade.. you would need

X = amout of power
W = Weight
OW = origional weight
C = compensation

C = OW - W x X
C - Origional RPM = Drain of life

IF you had a 100,000 hour fan, and draind 2000 RPM from dead weight out of a 3,800 rpm fan, you would loose on average 46,000 hours of operation.


54,000 hours of operation is still alot.. but when you add the constant decline in efficency + crap getting into it = you still loose more. I guess that was rambeling + math, but it made sence..

BigRed
01-05-02, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by -=Godspeed9mm=-
(im not trying to flame)
but that sounds like a pointless waits of money and time to me..
I would try it, except for the fact of failure..

I guess its just me.. but figure you screw up atleast 8 fans before you get it descently working..

timing it.. also you would need a speed controll.. to set it right...
making the electronis would be easy.. speed, power switch, wiring the led's, the the problem is, if you put 1 oz of leds and wires on a blads of the fan, your going to throw it off balance. and it will literally shake itself apart.. think about a car radiator fan, break 1 blade off, what will it do.. ecaxtly..

Thats the way i look at it.. its a nice project.. but too much complexity for 120 mm of space... and also the lifetime of the fan itself would be changed, especially if you counterbalanced each blade.. you would need

X = amout of power
W = Weight
OW = origional weight
C = compensation

C = OW - W x X
C - Origional RPM = Drain of life

IF you had a 100,000 hour fan, and draind 2000 RPM from dead weight out of a 3,800 rpm fan, you would loose on average 46,000 hours of operation.


54,000 hours of operation is still alot.. but when you add the constant decline in efficency + crap getting into it = you still loose more. I guess that was rambeling + math, but it made sence..
thats why he said he was going to put 1 led on each fin. so it will still be in balance

Gandalf
01-05-02, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by BigRed

thats why he said he was going to put 1 led on each fin. so it will still be in balance

But each LED would be on a different part of each fin, thus throwing the balance off.

peterrastall
12-15-05, 01:37 PM
Do they do 120mm ones? Or a 80mm would be good for me - in fact any 80mm fan would be good with some LEDs - my CPU cooler is an 80mm - plain black and uninteresting!

Captain Slug
12-15-05, 02:43 PM
Necro-posting is evil little one.

kayson
12-15-05, 03:33 PM
That sounds like an awesome idea. The circuitry is beyond me, but if you have the skills, go for it!

tom10167
12-15-05, 04:13 PM
I guess it's not QUITE four years old yet.

Quaxor
12-15-05, 08:24 PM
A little old, but this looks like a pretty cool mod.

z0n3
12-15-05, 08:47 PM
Don't they nail the lid on the coffin for threads this old? Cool project though. Maybe someone will do it now after this.

ckj
12-15-05, 09:04 PM
This is really old, and the image is obligatory.

threeme2189
12-16-05, 11:59 AM
But each LED would be on a different part of each fin, thus throwing the balance off.


are you sure a LED (those things weigh close to nothing) would throw a plastic fan off balance enough to make it fly apart? i don't think they spin fast enough or that a LED on a different part of each fin will make it spin apart.


this is a cool idea and if you go for it good luck!

flamerail
12-16-05, 02:54 PM
Thats pretty nifty!

Crazyknight
12-21-05, 02:40 AM
Saw these the other day http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=5665 They might give you a decent idea of how to complete the project or maybe even mod it to do more.

Crash893
12-22-05, 01:33 AM
HOLY CRAP

thats awsome

tom10167
12-22-05, 05:08 AM
At only $19 it isn't nearly as expensive as I thought either. Would be really cool to have one!

Crash893
12-22-05, 12:27 PM
http://www.crazypc.com/images/fans/rainbowtc/rainbowfantcfull.jpg

LoneWolf121188
01-06-06, 09:47 PM
http://www.sharkoon.com

never heard of these guys before, but their stuff sure does look good! Who's getting one?