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I have just got my E6300 up and running...its only on stock speed with a lowered voltage.....
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z25/sam__07/temps1.jpg
I ran speedfan 4.33 beta 9 and its saying 22 and 28C for the cores
But coretemp 0.95.4 and it says 38 and 43C for the cores.....
I have a titan amanda TEC cooling it. My ambient temp is 25.6C atm so i think that coretemp is more likely to be the correct one.
Which should I believe???? help.
Maverick0984
09-13-07, 10:12 AM
CoreTemp is right.
You are right though, the clue should be your ambient. It is 100% impossible to have a core lower than your ambient (on Air cooling). What is labeled "CPU" and not core will always be higher then you ambient and then core higher than that. So Ambient < CPU < Cores.
JamesXP
09-13-07, 10:14 AM
Get clocking or die!
(2.7 max with your ram)
CoreTemp is right.
You are right though, the clue should be your ambient. It is 100% impossible to have a core lower than your ambient (on Air cooling). What is labeled "CPU" and not core will always be higher then you ambient and then core higher than that. So Ambient < CPU < Cores.
but i do have a TEC cooler which in theory could get me sub ambient....but i doubt it will.
Maverick0984
09-13-07, 10:27 AM
but i do have a TEC cooler which in theory could get me sub ambient....but i doubt it will.
I tried to do a little research on the cooler, and I'm unsure of what a "Thermal Electronic Chip" cooler is exactly. At the end of the day it still looks like an air cooler, and a little older one too. Which leads me to believe you still can't get under ambient with it since that is impossible under Air.
I could be wrong though I guess. But somehow I doubt it's something magical, or we'd all be using that instead ;).
EDIT: I guess it has some "Peltier elements." I guess that would help, heh.
Yikes, it comes with a PCI card as well. Thing is a beast.
that is sooooo annoying.
Juat bumped it up to 2Ghz and load temps are 56/58....thats poo...i got better temps with my pentium D. unless speedfan was reading them wrong on that chip too.
will it get any cooler after the thermal grease has "settled" ???
Maverick0984
09-13-07, 10:52 AM
Eh, people say you should expect somewhere from 3-5C decrease when waiting for AS5 to cool. I don't think I saw that much of a difference really, but I didn't really pay attention.
Uninstall Speedfan and never use it again.
There isn't anything "wrong" with those load temps btw.
This is normal for Allendale core core 2 duo. The reason why core temp and speedfan read different temperature because speedfan read the chip's tjmax is 85C while coretemp is 100 C, anyway, coretemp is the correct one.
Just a suggestion, adapt and change the way you read Coretemp like this one here by enabling the "Show Delta to Tjunction temp." at it's setting menu.
This is an example screen from quad.
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Maintain at those readings "minimum" at 20 Celcius to Tjunction, the bigger the better (meaning cooler), then you will be ok.
Ignore the absolute temperature reading since they're not accurate.
Alternative explanation with pic HERE (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5299812&postcount=5)
Simple analogy :
You're in a room for the 1st time that doesn't have any window, and without knowing where is this room at like at which floor or even what building.
Next, you've been told to maintain your distance to the ceiling (max Tjunction) in that room and don't bump your head at it (CPU throttling).
But you're equipped with an accurate ruler, so all you can do is to measure what is the distance to the celing and maintain as far as possible in order to avoid bumping your head. :D
Now can you answer what is the height of that ceiling "from the ground" ? Got my point ? :D
It must be the GA-P35-DS3R because coretemp and speedfan have the same temp readings on this board and I've owned 2 of them.
Maintain at those readings "minimum" at 20 Celcius to Tjunction, the bigger the better (meaning cooler), then you will be ok.
Ignore the absolute temperature reading since they're not accurate.
so are you saying i can go until the temps say 80??
JamesXP
09-13-07, 12:43 PM
Aye.
But I'm guessing your TECs would start choking.
so are you saying i can go until the temps say 80??
Yes, and remember, that is not 80 celcius absolute temp, its just 20 degrees celcius to the "official" Intel's throttling temp, which is still in the very safe range ! :D
This absolute max Tjunction temp is never known, even by Intel themself, cause it could be different on every CPU even from the same batch, but the delta/difference is very accurate.
Again, no doubt, the cooler you got the better.
Personally, I wouldn't mind to run "all" my cpu at 10 degrees to tjunction at 24/7. :D But again, its just my personal preference.
Edit:
Try UVOC your cpu and see the temp delta between load-ilde, if it is less or equal than 10 degrees celcius, then it is a sign that your cooling is working properly.
Yes, and remember, that is not 80 celcius absolute temp, its just 20 degrees celcius to the "official" Intel's throttling temp, which is still in the very safe range ! :D
This absolute max Tjunction temp is never known, even by Intel themself, cause it could be different on every CPU even from the same batch, but the delta/difference is very accurate.
Again, no doubt, the cooler you got the better.
Personally, I wouldn't mind to run "all" my cpu at 10 degrees to tjunction at 24/7. :D But again, its just my personal preference.
ok...thanks a lot....are there any progs that will give me the absolute temp?
ok...thanks a lot....are there any progs that will give me the absolute temp?
Software reading only ? Never, for the current Core generation, dunno about future generation.
The only way is to this HERE (http://www.overclockers.com/articles1312/), see the at the last pic. :D
That is the way that Intel's engineer used to measure their "own" cpu.
Software reading only ? Never, for the current Core generation, dunno about future generation.
The only way is to this HERE (http://www.overclockers.com/articles1312/), see the at the last pic. :D
That is the way that Intel's engineer used to measure their "own" cpu.
aha...erm i think ill pass on that one.
He..he..
Again, just try UVOC as I mentioned, at least you'll know if your cooling gear is working properly or not.
This is normal for Allendale core core 2 duo.
CPU-z says its a conroe???
and im not too happy about the 3DMARK06 it just got....1632...that was at 2Ghz
I got that on stock with my PD945.....WTF!!!
am i missing the boost button in the bios or sumthing lol.
Sam, try PCMark and post your orb link here if its not troubling you too much.
Sam, try PCMark and post your orb link here if its not troubling you too much.
ill run it in full when i have time l8er.
jason4207
09-13-07, 02:15 PM
Make sure your link width hasn't defaulted to 1x instead of 16x. That can give you some seriously low 3DMark scores.
The link width on the PCI-e i presume ur talking bout...
I meant to say that was just the cpu score.
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=10975113
GTengineer
09-13-07, 03:18 PM
CPU-z says its a conroe???
and im not too happy about the 3DMARK06 it just got....1632...that was at 2Ghz
I got that on stock with my PD945.....WTF!!!
am i missing the boost button in the bios or sumthing lol.
The new Core architecture can only go so far you are comparing a 3.4GHz, 2x2MB L2 to a 2.0GHz Core2Duo, 2MB L2. If anything I would be EXTREMELY impressed you get the same score with almost had the clock speed and half the L2 cache. Crank up the C2D and it will leave the PD in the dust.
BTW L2 stepping are Allendale cores not Conroe, the "Codename" is irrelevant.
The new Core architecture can only go so far you are comparing a 3.4GHz, 2x2MB L2 to a 2.0GHz Core2Duo, 2MB L2. If anything I would be EXTREMELY impressed you get the same score with almost had the clock speed and half the L2 cache. Crank up the C2D and it will leave the PD in the dust.
BTW L2 stepping are Allendale cores not Conroe, the "Codename" is irrelevant.
I spose its not bad for less than half the clock speed. lol.
JamesXP
09-14-07, 10:46 AM
Somepeople call them Conroe-2M (Coretemp does :) )
yeah conroe-2m...read that sumwhere
another thing....was ocing a bit last night and it seems to top out at 2.3....i thought i could get at least 2.5 out of it with my generic ram.
i have tried all voltages pretty high and nothing. anything else i can change.
and what is the nb and sb hypertransport speed? what should i set it too.
JamesXP
09-14-07, 03:27 PM
I don't know what FSB your board is capable of with a C2D, considering its getting like 4250 that's 250FSB with a netburst chip. It's a little different =/
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113965
P5B 60 sqiuid (965)
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/129125
P5K (P35)
Iv read that this board will handle 400 with no problem....
and im not just about to buy a new mobo as i only got this one like 3 months ago.
JamesXP
09-14-07, 07:31 PM
might need some tweaking.
might need some tweaking.
in what way??
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