The view from up here

[eaglescouter]

Gentlemen,

My rear view mirror reveals several members who are outproducing me :mad: and who are closing the gap on my position.

Since there are several of you out there with quads, it is no surprise that you are gaining ground rapidly (in fact there should be a few more of you on my tail.)

This is public notice to my team mates that I am no longer content with being in 4th place for weekly production levels, and that my team mates have just a few more days to do whatever they can to try and keep up with me.

Starting Sunday I begin my quest for first place in daily production numbers, and I dare you to pull out the stops and prevent me from taking that crown.

http://boinc.setiatwork.com/team/stats.cgi?teamid=30199&sortby=expavg&userid=7266

Lower ambient temperatures are arriving in my region and it's time to turn off the AC, and turn on the whole house heaters :burn: Gentlemen, let's crank this up a few notches and boost our international ranking at the same time. :)

Are you up to the challenge?

[tricknasty]

LOL you make that sound badass!!! i just got this new x6800 producing at max along with my others.
but im new so it would take 10 years for me to pass you =P

[Alexhk]

"Goliath online" <-- my quads startup sound :D

Lets see what you got big guy!

Yeah with the advent of cooler temperatures me and my buddy john (who backed me up last race) have brought all our rigs to bear on seti and we'll be adding some more soon ;)

And so it begins

[Berkinh]

Challenge most definitely accepted!!!

My QX6850 has hardly started crunching yet, Vista keeps dying on me so will probably stick XP on it so that it can consistently crunch.
BTW and the rest of my farm is not close to its maximum daily output yet.

Its good to see the team RAC climbing above 100k again well done all :beer:

[QuietIce]

... This is public notice to my team mates that I am no longer content with being in 4th place for weekly production levels, ... Make that 5th place as of 19 Sep 0530 CDT ... :p

RAC
1 9) muddocktor 4278.3 3766.7 3298.7 7633.2 8361.7 7254.1 4299.1 8053.8 46945.7 1737030.9 5889.4 5868.2
2 21) QuietIce 3017.3 4576.3 6236.3 3923.7 5941.0 3190.3 4851.6 2958.7 34695.2 1039281.4 4517.4 4533.8
3 11) AlexHk 3218.3 5659.3 6473.0 5321.9 8093.4 7476.8 4387.5 6077.3 46707.4 1541264.1 4254.5 5838.4
4 15) MikeyLikesItSI 6565.7 4173.8 3304.5 1736.4 3307.8 2591.0 3209.7 1575.0 26463.8 1450583.5 4132.1 3555.5
5 3) eaglescouter 4249.8 4101.9 3039.0 2356.7 5956.7 4114.9 4682.0 2947.6 31448.7 2734553.9 4064.0 4071.6

[Careface]

Make that 5th place as of 19 Sep 0530 CDT ... :p

Lol, burn :P

On a side note, yay~ finally broke 1k RAC ^^.. 1005.68 as of this post :D not bad for a single core and a laptop xD

[QuietIce]

On a side note, yay~ finally broke 1k RAC ^^.. 1005.68 as of this post :D not bad for a single core and a laptop xD :beer:

[muddocktor]

Lol, burn :P

On a side note, yay~ finally broke 1k RAC ^^.. 1005.68 as of this post :D not bad for a single core and a laptop xD

:beer: or :soda:, your choice. Good job, Careface.

And just so that you know, eaglescouter, there is an upgrade coming to a couple of my machines in the near future. I'm phasing out all of my single core machines and going either dual or quad core. More points for less electricity usage. :D

[eaglescouter]

LOL you make that sound badass!!! i just got this new x6800 producing at max along with my others.
but im new so it would take 10 years for me to pass you =P


That is the reason that we are looking at "recent average". This way there is no advantage for the old timers. So fire 'em up if youve got 'em!!!

http://webpages.charter.net/eaglescouter/SETI/recent.jpg

[eaglescouter]

btw, nice bump in production muddocktor, I can see you are not going to make this easy on me :soda:

[muddocktor]

Yeah, I fired up some machines since my last electric bill wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Plus, the temps are starting to drop off a bit around the house so my ac isn't running quite as hard too, which also help the electric bill. But down here in south La. it hardly ever gets cool enough to totally cut off the window unit in the computer room and open up the window with the farm running.

[QuietIce]

Hey, muddoctor, congrats on the promotion to moderator! :beer: :beer:

[muddocktor]

Thank you, QuietIce. :)

[Berkinh]

Do you have some more crunching power on its way muddocktor... I see you have some upgrades mentioned above :)

I am just trying to decide if I should get my Quad Xeons to do a bit of crunching and boost daily production a little maybe close the shortening gap between us on the RAC ranking! :)

[muddocktor]

Do you have some more crunching power on its way muddocktor... I see you have some upgrades mentioned above :)

I am just trying to decide if I should get my Quad Xeons to do a bit of crunching and boost daily production a little maybe close the shortening gap between us on the RAC ranking! :)

I'm planning to upgrade my daughter's old P4 system to something more modern. I will probably give her my P5WDH and my E6600 and buy myself a new P35 board and a Q6600 in the next month or so. I'm selling off my desktop Dothan rig to my brother for his daughter for college and the money I get from it will pay for my mobo and proc. And the Dothan rig has been replaced with an X2 4400 system I had sitting idle.

So yeah, fire that quad Xeon off and do some crunching. :D

[QuietIce]

Looks like a couple of people have started early - I've dropped from #2 to #4 RAC in the last 2 days. Too bad it'll be awhile before I can start cranking up ...

[Berkinh]

Looks like I might not have to fire up the Quad Xeons just yet...
My QX6850 has finaly stopped crashing and has worked through about 50WU's so far today :)

[wa77ss]

I have had my PD 930 @ 3.75GHz along with my T2050 laptop going for everyday all day for about two weeks now.

I guess this means I should clock the PD on up to 4.2GHz and maybe tweak the laptop a little ;)


BTW, got a 6550 G0 coming in today that should crunch at around 3.9GHz! :D

[eaglescouter]

Keep working gentlemen, Sunday is nearly here, gain on me while you can :)

[muddocktor]

Well, I will be making it a bit harder to catch me next week, eaglescouter. I will be getting me a Q6600 from toddm27 next week after I get in from the rig and sell the Dothan rig. So I will have a quad to throw into the mix in around 1 1/2 weeks or so. :D

I guess I will put it in my P5W DH for now until I buy a P35 board, but I plan to use the P5W DH for my daughter's upgrade in the near future with my present E6600 and have both crunching.

[eaglescouter]

I like it when my team mates demonstrate this kind of spunk. Worthy advisaries are are always welcome :)

Fire that puppy up and overclock it.

One of my rigs has demonstrated that it is heat sensative, so it was blue screening every day about noon and would come back online about 6pm. I reduced its overclock last night and we shall see if it remains stable with the afternoon temperatures today.

I should add my first quad this weekend just to keep it interesting :clap:

[Alexhk]

Not to put the pressure on you or anything but when you look at weekly average... :burn:

https://myfiles.neu.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-3331810_1

[eaglescouter]

:)

Ok, I'll work harder then.

Quad should be good for over 2,200
2nd quad is another 2,200
Opteron 170 runnign 24X7 adds 400 over its previous production levels

Add that to my current level of 4328

Should drop me in at 9,128, first place unless somebodies crank it up some more, and to them I say "I dare ya! In fact I double dog dare ya!!"

edited to a more realistic RAC for the quaddies :)

[Alexhk]

:D

[tricknasty]

wow theres no catching u guys but i can still get right behind ya :beer:

[QuietIce]

wow theres no catching u guys but i can still get right behind ya :beer: Right On!!! :thup: None of us can do it alone. We're a Team and it'll take every computer we've got (even my measly 2100+ and then some) to get us back in The Game. In my book that makes every cruncher the same ... :beer:

[muddocktor]

No doubt about it, QuietIce. Every machine we can get crunching helps out the team and the project. And just because some of us have farms running or are lucky enough to have machines to borg at work or school doesn't mean that someone crunching with just one machine is less important. We are all in this together.

[Alexhk]

Every machine we can get crunching helps out the team and the project. And just because some of us have farms running or are lucky enough to have machines to borg at work or school doesn't mean that someone crunching with just one machine is less important. We are all in this together.

Exactly. Every contribution, large or small, is awesome.

Given the small size of our team its amazing we are where we are. I mean look at Seti.Germany. Sure they have a team RAC of ~454k compared to our ~113k but check out the # of active members. It's 2,397 vs 185 :eek:
Or how about the team that just passed us, Art Bell. They're putting out about 143k a day but they have 469 active members.

Man where is Swamp Thing to do an underdog song when you need him ;)

So to continue on what Quietice and Muddockor were saying, everyone who does something( big or small) to help this team is my hero. :beer:

[tricknasty]

im almost on the first page of recent credit!!:p btw my x6800 c2d rapes everything else i have combined!! i hate it cuz my x6800 is my gaming rig and i turn down or shut off seti when im gaming :bang head

[QuietIce]

Guess you'll just have to throw together an old, cheap, 939 system ... :D

[CyberMancer]

I'm still down a rig. The trusty ole 2200XP went belly up, but I added a laptop which is soon to have a dual core. (I love hacking laptops, it's such a challenge. ;)) Anyway, if you noticed my drop in RAC it's because I was in D.C. and my wife took the opportunity to quiet the house down a bit and save a bit o electricity. I knew she was gonna do that! :bang head Anyway; I'm back, the rigs are on, except the one above and we're rolling!

[tricknasty]

there we are! im on the 1st page of recent credit for the overclockers team and i plan to keep goin- its no farm but aliens beware :burn:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/tricknasty/oc_seti.jpg

[QuietIce]

Good going! :thup:

[Careface]

Wicked :) show your <3 for the team :D

EDIT: Wait a minute. I smell photoshop. You clearly have the incorrect screenshot there.. this is actually what it is. No mspaint/photoshop or anything was used.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/careface_/oc_seti.jpg

[tricknasty]

lol careface im just shakin things up a bit =P

[eaglescouter]

Well I brought another box online last night and tripped the circuit breaker. :mad:

Now I need to prioritize the highest production machines and take an older box offline till I finish my new 20 amp circuit. :bang head

[QuietIce]

On man, I'm glad you reminded me of that! Missed putting it on my To Do list ...

[eaglescouter]

I sure don't understand the logic of the home building industry. Every outlet and light in this room is on a single circuit (that is shared with another room and part of the garage too......)

I got the garage set up with new dedicated circuits a few summers ago. Now I need to finish off the dedicated 20amp circuit for the computer room (actually 2 20 amp circuits :) )

Having a seti farm = :)
Burning down the house due to poor wiring or overloaded circuits = :(

[tricknasty]

LoL eaglescouter, im an electrician by trade and i do a good amount of work from extra curcuits, service upgrades, and lighting because people have their rooms maxed out.
btw eaglescouter you are an exception the rule pertaining to housing code :P
the typical calcuclation is
120 volts x 15 amps = 1800 volt-amps (VA)
and 1800 VA / 500 sq ft = 3.6 VA/sq ft.
TYPICALLY nobody ever has a problem :) but of course eaglescouter and the rest of us have electronics all over the place

[eaglescouter]

Too bad you are about 14 hours away or I'd suggest we get together to work on this project and build some more seti boxes at the same time :)

[tricknasty]

hah u replied to me as i was editing my post, i got nerdy and added the circuit calculations :soda:
where abouts do you live eagle? is that in new mexico somewhere

[eaglescouter]

I am 2.5 hours north of Sacramento, just west of the Allen SETI Array.

I honestly do not have an understanding of the electrical editing you did up there, but I know that the standard 15 amp circuit for a room is not adequate when you start adding:
4 Poweredge Servers
1 Proliant server (big monster)
2 dual processor servers
3 custom built overclocked rigs
1 phase cooling systsem
2 crt monitors
1 lcd monitor
plus that normal stuff; clock radio, surround sound system, celing and floor fans, florescent light fixture, router, switches, battery back up units.....

15 amp? lol, not even close :)

My plan:
15 amp for normal stuff + workbench for customer boxes
20 amp for rack/plotter
20 amp for rack/laser printer

Your thoughts?

[muddocktor]

What I did to supplement the power in my computer room was to run a 12-3 w/gr cable over to the the computer room then split it into 2-20 amp 120v circuits. At the breaker box you just hook the black to a breaker on 1 phase, the red to the other phase and the white to neutral and ground of course to ground. This type of circuit is approved by the NEC and you don't overload the neutral leg because the 2 hot legs are out of phase and aren't using the neutral at the same time. So that gave me 2-20 amp circuits for the computer room besides the circuit that was already there in the room. And saves a bit of money too, because 1 run of 12-3 is cheaper than 2 runs of 12-2 romex.

Eaglescouter, just go ahead and run it in 12-3 romex. That is good for 20 amp circuits up to 100-150 feet (don't remember exactly and my old NEC book is at the house so I can't look it up). And you can only load a circuit to 80% according to the NEC too, so 120 X 20 = 2400 watts X 80% = 1920 watts max per 20 amp circuit.

[eaglescouter]

12-2 and 12-3?

I ran romex with 3 wires in it, black, white and copper.

[muddocktor]

12-2 and 12-3?

I ran romex with 3 wires in it, black, white and copper.

That's 12-2 w/ground romex. 12-3 w/ground romex has black, red, white and ground wires in the cable. You can buy both kinds at the local Lowes or Home Depot, at least here in Louisiana.

My knowledge of electrical circuits is due to me going to trade school in 1986-1987 when the oilfield turned to total crap due to the Saudi's opening up the oil spigots then and driving the oil prices down to next to nothing. Got me degree in Industrial Electricity in 1987 and have only used the knowledge I gained then sparingly since then. By the time I graduated the oilfield had picked back up enough to go back to work there.

[eaglescouter]

So the 4 wires can run two circuits, using two breakers?

Red/White/Ground
Black/White/Ground

Is this correct, the two circuits share a common neutral (white) and ground (copper)?

[tricknasty]

yea i would definitely run at least 2 extra circuits for all your computer equipment. Leave the plugs that were in the room for your normal stuff like tv or clock, then the 2 dedicated 120v circuits should be adequate to handle the loads on your computers.

If you really want to make sure you have enough power, look on the psu's of your power supplies and add up the ampacity
Regardless its a good idea to keep that computer equipment on dedicated circuits so if you trip a breaker from something else, it wont affect your computers.

[muddocktor]

So the 4 wires can run two circuits, using two breakers?

Red/White/Ground
Black/White/Ground

Is this correct, the two circuits share a common neutral (white) and ground (copper)?

You are correctomundo, eaglescouter. A lot of electricians run the feeder circuit to a 4" square junction box in the attic, then split the legs off for the 2 different circuits independently so that they don't have to be in the same area of the wall. But I dropped mine into my computer room itself and put a double gang box in the wall, with 2 duplex receptacles (1 duplex receptacle for each circuit). I then plugged 1 UPS into each receptacle and feed the machines off the UPS's.

A word of advice; get the deepest junction boxes and wall boxes you can find as it gives you more room to work and put the wires inside. If you go the j-box in the attic, also get a cover plate for it too. If you want the circuits on different walls the j-box route is best, but you will need both the 12-3 w/ground (from breaker panel to the j-box) and some 12-2 w/ground romex (j-box to the receptacle locations). You will also need a ground pigtail for the j-box and you will need some yellow and red wire nuts. The one's with the wings are easiest to tighten. For your receptacles in the room use the plastic "old work boxes", the deepest ones you can find.

On wiring it into the breaker box, check across the 2 proposed breaker locations and go hot to hot with the DMM on ac volts and you should read 240 volts or so. If you don't show any voltage then your 2 proposed locations are on the same phase and unacceptable. But generally, if you put the breakers next to each other they will be on different phases.

[eaglescouter]

Very cool.

My 20Amp breaker has two legs, one on each of the two sides of the main, so I think this can easily be made to work (especially since my romex is laying in the attic unconnected at both ends right now, I can just attach the new 4 wire line and use the romex as my fish tape to pull it thru)

[tricknasty]

do close to what muddocktor says, and if you get two 20 amp breakers, put them on the SAME side of your panel, right next to eachother, and that will assuredly give you opposing phases.
good luck and dont blow up the house!!

[muddocktor]

Well eaglescouter, I should be seeing some increased production from my main rig now. I just dropped a SLACR "Q" bomb in the old P5W DH. :D

I'll be curious to see how much the RAC picks up on that rig going from a dual core to a quad.

In the near future I plan to pick up a P35 board for my quad and use the P5W and E6600 for my daughter's computer rebuild.

[Alexhk]

Wicked :) show your <3 for the team :D

EDIT: Wait a minute. I smell photoshop. You clearly have the incorrect screenshot there.. this is actually what it is. No mspaint/photoshop or anything was used.

LOL, :beer:

[QuietIce]

What I did to supplement the power in my computer room was to run a 12-3 w/gr cable over to the the computer room then split it into 2-20 amp 120v circuits. At the breaker box you just hook the black to a breaker on 1 phase, the red to the other phase and the white to neutral and ground of course to ground. This type of circuit is approved by the NEC and you don't overload the neutral leg because the 2 hot legs are out of phase and aren't using the neutral at the same time. So that gave me 2-20 amp circuits for the computer room besides the circuit that was already there in the room. And saves a bit of money too, because 1 run of 12-3 is cheaper than 2 runs of 12-2 romex.

Eaglescouter, just go ahead and run it in 12-3 romex. That is good for 20 amp circuits up to 100-150 feet (don't remember exactly and my old NEC book is at the house so I can't look it up). And you can only load a circuit to 80% according to the NEC too, so 120 X 20 = 2400 watts X 80% = 1920 watts max per 20 amp circuit. Great idea!!! I never thought of that though I have run 220 before. One circuit for my computer bench (plus 3 crunchers) and one for the home theater equipment! That'll save time and money ... :beer: