10 records fall @ IDF

[El<(')>Maxi]

Intel invited Charles Wirth (FUGGER) from XS to put on an overclocking show @ IDF this year, with a 3-stage cascade he smashed 10 standing WR's! Penryn is no joke, this is only the tip of the iceburg.

Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3101&p=4)
PC Perspective (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=453)
BitTech (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/18/yorkfield_breaks_seven_world_records/1)
PCG Hardware (http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?menu=browser&mode=article&article_id=613552)


http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2007/idf/part1/cooling.jpg

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/~jdeso03/worldrecords.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/9052/spiwrqs5.jpg

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The gate for OC-ing community is now opened !

Great news and imo this should be a great chapter in OC history. :thup:

Thanks Maxi ! :D







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[Kuroimaho]

IDF shows truly the return of the King.

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Yeah, the king, but this time we OC-er are acknowledged in the podium through the "formal way", I believe by this Otellini's moves, it has sparked the new era in OC-ing world.

Imo, I wouldn't care for Intel, but today is a great day for OC-ing world.


Edit :

Small example, I can imagine by this Otellini's show, these could be translated to major changes at few non OC product vendor's business plan in the long term, and major revisions as well for current OC product vendors. :D




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[GTengineer]

AMAZING :eek:

[thideras]

That is crazy...

[benbaked]

2008 is shaping up to be another good year already, nice screenshots.

[Hazaro]

That's marketing...

I wonder if some other company is paying attention...

[Deanzo]

8.5sec @ 5340 :drool:

Man things are getting fast, faster these days!! the next 12 months are going to be one hell of a ride.

[Gautam]

Hmmm...winter break is already shapin' up. :drool:

[nd4spdbh2]

8.5sec @ 5340 :drool:

Man things are getting fast, faster these days!! the next 12 months are going to be one hell of a ride.

ya thats insane maybe ill have to sell my e6600 and grab a new mobo and a pyneryn.... maybe.. i <3 my e6600... but thats just insane.

[inkfx]

Things are going to be getting so fast that 1m is almost gonna be too fast.

[Gautam]

That's what people have been saying forever but I don't think we'll ever care. At this rate we'll be running it even when its in the tenths of seconds. :p

[EchoTheDolphin]

Crap, I feel like when I built my first system....all this awesome stuff came out right after. Can't wait though!

[SH0DAN]

Intel is really gonna take another HUGE leap ahead soon with Nehalem.And penryn quads will be dirt cheap and oc like mofo's.AMD is looking worse for wear more and
more by the day.

Nvidia seems to be Intels next target,not AMD...

[ChinStrap]

whoa.

i hope my motherboard can run 45nm chips.

though - DDR3 would be extra fun :)

[ChinStrap]

whoa... wait...

is that motherboard a striker? or a blitz? that he has all wrapped up?

[UnrealAlex]

Damn...are Penryn cpu's going to be LGA 775?

[Kuroimaho]

Yes you can replace your conroe with it.

[UglyChild]

I wonder what AMD is going to do now. Hmm...:p

[>HyperlogiK<]

Yeah, the king, but this time we OC-er are acknowledged in the podium through the "formal way", I believe by this Otellini's moves, it has sparked the new era in OC-ing world.

Don't kid yourself that intel suddenly loves overclockers, the only interest they have in us is for marketing new chips, and to a lesser extent as customers for XE chips and Badaxe boards.

[El<(')>Maxi]

That's what people have been saying forever but I don't think we'll ever care. At this rate we'll be running it even when its in the tenths of seconds. :p

Haha ain't that the truth :D

I wonder what AMD is going to do now. Hmm...:p

I don't know but it better be good ;)

[Kuroimaho]

I wonder what AMD is going to do now. Hmm...:p

Tweak the barcs and finish bulldozer ASAP. :beer:

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Don't kid yourself that intel suddenly loves overclockers, the only interest they have in us is for marketing new chips, and to a lesser extent as customers for XE chips and Badaxe boards.

LOL, I guess you don't understand what I was saying & read my whole post again. ;)









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[SH0DAN]

Tweak the barcs and finish bulldozer ASAP. :beer:


With what money ??

My god,Intel is spending 10.9 Billion US this year alone on R&D + Fab updating...

What AMD really needs ASAP,is a sugar daddy ! Come on Samsung !

[>HyperlogiK<]

LOL, I guess you don't understand what I was saying & read my whole post again. ;).

Sorry, I worded that very badly and didn't really convey what I intended to. I was arguing that it wasn't a great day for the overclocking world and that it won't change anything in the slightest.

OCers being recognised at the IDF is todays marketing trick and will probably be forgotten very shortly, at least as soon as Intel starts making a slightly less overclockable CPU.

[benbaked]

With what money ??

My god,Intel is spending 10.9 Billion US this year alone on R&D + Fab updating...

What AMD really needs ASAP,is a sugar daddy ! Come on Samsung !

I thought I saw VIA dusting off their life raft the other day...

[Super Nade]

I think the time has come to retire Pi 1M from competitive benchmarking. :)

It is amazing that Intel have recognized the enthusiast community for what it is!

[hUMANbEATbOX]

OCers being recognised at the IDF is todays marketing trick and will probably be forgotten very shortly, at least as soon as Intel starts making a slightly less overclockable CPU.
Intel has used this 'marketing trick' many times actually. They have sponsored lots of events where there was some serious OC'ing going on. I am sure a lot of the guys/gals who work at Intel are more nerdy about CPU's and clocks than even we are. I'm sure a lot of them even OC their own stuff.

[gone_fishin]

whoa... wait...

is that motherboard a striker? or a blitz? that he has all wrapped up?


here is the system,

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1087948

[Ross]

DDR3 is killer in SPi, but that is fast ;) Don't kid yourselves into thinking all 45nm's will clock like that. 1) FUGGER, 2) 3-stage and 3) Intel proc at IDF. If anyone thinks that isn't the best clocking/least cold bugged 45nm proc that Intel themselves could find, they are kidding themselves. It can't get any more hand-picked than that :D Not that I am doubting that retails won't do it, but I am sure it won't be a majority ;)

It's a bit sad to see WRs submitted to ORB on unreleased h/w and I still haven't determined what board he was using for what. Articles all say X38 at IDF, but ORB is P5K3 :confused:

[El<(')>Maxi]

The ORB isn't able to detect newer hardware correctly, I'd go with what they say in the articles. My personal belief is retail Penryn can do better, alot better. We'll see.

[Ross]

The ORB isn't able to detect newer hardware correctly, I'd go with what they say in the articles. My personal belief is retail Penryn can do better, alot better. We'll see.You might be right about ORB, but I thought that mobo model is just a string in the CMOS entered by the manufacturer, so it should easily read whatever it is. Even if that's not the case, does ORB just arbitrarily pick a mobo to list then? Odd.

Clearly Penryn can do better. Ever seen a 65nm quad @ 5.5GHz benchable before? :) The question is going to be how hard will it be to find those good clockers and are you going to need a 10-12x multi to get 5GHz+ out of them? If so, shelling out for an X will be the only way. I'll definintely need to wait and see exactly what some lower end retails do before I jump on 45nm.

[gone_fishin]

Are you kidding about waiting to jump on 45nm????

This is the generation where Intel uses new materials to cut power leakage 10 fold which equates to cool chips which means crank up the voltage for higher overclocks. F'nDamnRights this is overclockers heavan coming.

[Ross]

LOL, only long enough to see if I'll need to buy an Extreme or if lower ones can clock >5GHz too. I wasn't making any promises about waiting. For all I know, I'll order the highest multi non-Extreme the day they are released.

[El<(')>Maxi]

I was arguing that it wasn't a great day for the overclocking world and that it won't change anything in the slightest.

OCers being recognised at the IDF is todays marketing trick and will probably be forgotten very shortly, at least as soon as Intel starts making a slightly less overclockable CPU.

It already has. Buyers drive the market and always want something newer and better. A smart company needs to be responsive to that. Your right one demo at IDF might not change the world but you have to recognize what that appearance represents, a fundamental shift in their approach. Intel is embracing overclocking for the first time (read the 4th paragraph here (http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/23/intel_press_conference/index.html) for a prime example) a couple of years ago that would have been impossible from Intel.

I'll order the highest multi non-Extreme the day they are released.

I think I'll join you. It's time to revive the coldbug skills :D

[Skeen]

I have a "WAAAAAAY cool" opty 146 running at 3.2Ghz and I'm starting to feel like it's a Coppermine chip here. DDR2? You kids and your rap music... Now get outta my yard!

[ChinStrap]

here is the system,

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1087948

whoa :eek:

[rainless]

That's marketing...

I wonder if some other company is paying attention...

WHAT other company?

...I didn't think there were any left. :rolleyes:

[Gautam]

LOL, only long enough to see if I'll need to buy an Extreme or if lower ones can clock >5GHz too. I wasn't making any promises about waiting. For all I know, I'll order the highest multi non-Extreme the day they are released.

I'll take 5 of the Extremes. If I get REALLY lucky, maybe one of them will match yours.

I also don't like him uploading to the ORB. But are we 100% sure that that's the Penryn? That looks in-line with a Kentsfield result to me...

Yes at second glance I'm 99% sure that's just a QX6850.

[Ross]

LOL. The trick is, every time I buy a proc, I say "I've been lucky for too long, so this one has to suck" and I fully expect it to :) I think when you're spending that kinda coin on an Extreme, you expect it to clock the best and maybe rightfully so :shrug:

There's no telling on that ORB. The only thing that makes me think it's probably Penryn is that ORB is seriously confused and thinks it's a P3 :D

[GTengineer]

I have a "WAAAAAAY cool" opty 146 running at 3.2Ghz and I'm starting to feel like it's a Coppermine chip here. DDR2? You kids and your rap music... Now get outta my yard!

LOL :beer:

[Gautam]

LOL. The trick is, every time I buy a proc, I say "I've been lucky for too long, so this one has to suck" and I fully expect it to :) I think when you're spending that kinda coin on an Extreme, you expect it to clock the best and maybe rightfully so :shrug:

There's no telling on that ORB. The only thing that makes me think it's probably Penryn is that ORB is seriously confused and thinks it's a P3 :D

Nah, it's not a very high score. Penryn would be way above that. FUGGER just put that up because someone beat his previous score...that was just a backup he did about a month ago I'm fairly certain.

[Tyranos]

Silly gooses. That's of course a Pentium 3 at 5ghz. It says so right there!

[>HyperlogiK<]

Intel is embracing overclocking for the first time (read the 4th paragraph here (http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/23/intel_press_conference/index.html) for a prime example) a couple of years ago that would have been impossible from Intel.

I think that their embracing overclocking has more to do with with overclockability of the NGMA chips than any kind of change of policy. A couple of years ago it would have been impossible because overclocked K8s were raping Smithfields. The second they release an architecture that doesn't oc so well, activities like this will be put on hold.

The other issue is, overclocking becoming a mainstream and corporate sponsored activity is not necessarily any good for us. It may just mean more products like the pre overclocked graphics cards that aren't a damn bit of use to anybody who has heard of ATitool.

[ShadowPho]

Silly gooses. That's of course a Pentium 3 at 5ghz. It says so right there!
word ^^

CPU Name Intel Pentium III 4950 MHz
CPU String Genuine Intel(R) CPU @ 3.00GHz($72.0+)

I mean, you can get it for $72! :D

[g0dM@n]

Maybe some day there will be a sport for overclocking!!! They have 3D gamer sports, so why not some turbo action CPU/RAM races!!!

I'm sure decades ago (well, I think it was a pretty long time ago) when people started racing cars that they didn't think it would become a sport... or maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.

[JCLW]

I find the voltage in the CPUZ screenshot the most amazing thing - I take it it can read voltage off a P5K3 correctly.

edit:

Some statistics

4.5Ghz on stock voltage on vapo
4.5Ghz = 10s flat
5.126Ghz Pi on Vapo = 8.76s
4.950Ghz on Vapo PCMark WR (I had this one before I came to IDF)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1087948
@ 5.2Ghz AM3=277k
@ 5.42Ghz AM3=294k LOD 0
@ 5.42Ghz pi = 8.406s
5.56 max frequency @ 1.7v (unmodded) P5K3
B1 stepping 3Ghz 1333FSB Yorkfield 45nm
2k6 cpu score of 8551 for image @ 5.2Ghz
2k5 cpu score of 23k @ 5.2Ghz

I ran my benches on stage at a safe speed, yet high enough to get the job done.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2440700&postcount=246

[Hardin]

That really is incredible.

[Mr.Guvernment]

sucks to be AMD :)

[Hardin]

Well maybe AMD will pull a rabbit out of their hat again. Phenoms still haven't been released so nothing is certain yet.

[SH0DAN]

AMD's engineering department needs to hire David Copperfield :D

[Kuroimaho]

Naaah they just buy Intel after ATI. ;)

[Hardin]

I think we'll see hell freeze over first.

[Skeen]

I'd love AMD if they pulled out a magic rabbit. That's been the draw of AMD since forever. To me AMd supplies all the power of Intel at a discount price. Yeah maybe you have to OC the crap out of any of AMD's offers to get over on an Intel, but isn' that why we're here? To OC, whether its to have the fastest cpu on on the (benchmarking) planet or just to save $100 bucks?

Viva la AMD!

[El<(')>Maxi]

I'd love AMD if they pulled out a magic rabbit.

I would too, I hate seeing AMD where they're at right now. I cut my teeth on AMD and would pick them back up in the blink of an eye. The problem with the rest of your theory is everyone's overclocking their Intel chips too :D

[Skeen]

I would too, I hate seeing AMD where they're at right now. I cut my teeth on AMD and would pick them back up in the blink of an eye. The problem with the rest of your theory is everyone's overclocking their Intel chips too :D

Yeah I'm getting a Core2duo next myself...

[Hipcrostino]

Things are going to be getting so fast that 1m is almost gonna be too fast.

SuperPI 1M is the quater mile of the OCing world. There will never be a too fast!

[Velocity]

sucks to be AMD :)


It really does.

[Surfrider77]

While I am all for Intel making these amazing processors, I too would like to see AMD compete on some level. I would hate to think of the development stagnation that would occur if Intel became a monopoly on the CPU market. (See the current nVidia lack of 8800 replacement since dominating the high end market).

[orion456]

Remember when Microsoft propped up Apple....they couldn't afford to let Apple die. It's better to appear to have competition than let everyone know for sure you have a monopoly.

Same for Intel, they may hate AMD but they need them or risk being broken up. AMD is safe, at least until China starts selling processors world wide.

[MRD]

Nehalem has been confirmed as "hyper-threaded" device and each 8 core processor will support 16 threads simultaneously. Each die is a total of 731 million transistors (huge!) and was developed nearly exclusively by the Intel team in Oregon.

Of course the other big news in Nehalem is the integrated memory controller that will finally put Intel on the same level as AMD in terms of memory latency and high memory bandwidth. There was no mention as to whether the memory controller would DDR3 or future DDR4, but I imagine that will depend on the state of the memory field at the time.

Nehalem will also include a new technology Intel is calling Quick Path that will allow for a more robust socket to socket communication for multi-CPU systems. This new CSI will be used to allow Intel's new Nehalem processors to scale more dramatically in multi-CPU servers.

God Nehalem is going to be a beast. Maybe I should hold out for that before I upgrade.

For years it seemed like the chip industry was standing still, now all of a sudden it's like we're back to the frenetic pace of the 90's.

[Voodoo Rufus]

So why not use 32M Pi as the benchmark standard now that making better 1M scores is a matter of tenths of a second? 32M better tests stability as well.

[MRD]

Yeah with Pi you can always just add more digits as comps get faster. Smaller numbers were used simply because it took too long for processors to calculate the larger numbers of digits in the past. It's a very scalable benchmark.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Its the same reason why drag racers are still running the quarter mile, and not a full mile.

[ShadowPho]

Remember when Microsoft propped up Apple....they couldn't afford to let Apple die. It's better to appear to have competition than let everyone know for sure you have a monopoly.

Same for Intel, they may hate AMD but they need them or risk being broken up. AMD is safe, at least until China starts selling processors world wide.

If only the gov-t broke up like AT&T and comcast. That would be the bomb.

[MRD]

I will celebrate if the day ever comes when the govt breaks up Microsoft.

[Velocity]

If I don't see nothing from AMD soon I will be one of the first people to have a Nehalem system. It really looks like an killer cpu.