SOYO 24" DYLM24D6 is back @ OM $300

[stereo555]

*edit*

Back onsale AGAIN , 11/4/07 for $300 !


*update*

Also onsale this comming Blackfriday for $250



OfficeMax has the SOYO 24" DYLM24D6 onsale again for $300 (no rebates) . The Soyo 24" uses a P-MVA panel (not TN).

Sale starts Sunday 10/7/07.

OfficeMax weekly flyer : http://officemax.shoplocal.com/officemax/default.aspx?action=detail&flashbrowse=y&storeid=2539979&rapid=461219&pagenumber=1&listingid=-2092636468&ref=%2fofficemax%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsep ageflash%26storeid%3d2539979%26pagenumber%3d1%26ra pid%3d461219%26prvid%3dOfficeMax-071007

My brother purchased one of these at the last sale and hes been very happy with it (no problems to date) . Ive done some testing on it with some BF2 and Bioshock gaming along with some HD/720/1080 content off the web and the picture is great . A steal @ $300 .

[maxfly]

so whats the difference between p-mva and tn stereo?thats a great price.ive got a customer looking for a solid 24in monitor(cheaper the better),i may suggest this one.thanks for the heads up!

[4od]

What's the difference between P-MVA and TN?

[Froggy]

TN has faster pixel response but significantly worse color reproduction.

[stereo555]

so whats the difference between p-mva and tn stereo?thats a great price.ive got a customer looking for a solid 24in monitor(cheaper the better),i may suggest this one.thanks for the heads up!

For starters P-MVA panels are true 8bit , and yes the color reproduction is quite abit better . Better info here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD



Heres a couple of reviews too :

http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/9867/47/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=1



Soyo product page :http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=431


*edit*
BTW ... get 4% cash back with Ebates (Ebates.com) . Great way to save a few extra bucks , as Ive been doing Ebates for years and they are very reliable .

(Note: if your new to Ebates they give an added $5 for new users and referals . Need a referal , send me a pm w/email addy .*I hope this does not go against forum rules ; but if so then I'll edit my post* )

[4od]

anybody have any experience with SOYO or this model in particular?

I want to buy it, but i don't want to toss away 300 dollars on a junk monitor..

[ManChild]

i just got one i will test it out will report back later

[ManChild]

well this monitor have a solid black line at the bottom of my screen, you can tell it not a top quality monitor but for the money its ok. unfortunately i will have to return it because this it's hard to get the colors right for one thing. I will have to go back to my 22 inch gateway. I will make my mind up after tonight if I am going to try another one.

[4od]

dang

[ManChild]

dang

Ok I am back with the 2nd monitor , everything is fine with this one. colors are ok , real bright and its look very huge.Its as good as my gateway but everything is larger on this monitor . I see a difference in gaming already and it bring my 8800gts card out. No bells and whistles but for 300 bucks you can't beat it. I dont use hdmi or usb ports on my monitor no way.:soda: It's time for some BF2 and airborne. If you need a monitor just for gaming then go for it. Text online is good too.

[blackjackel]

I don't want to sound like a broken record since I asked this in another post... and I regretted not getting that 2900 pro :/

but are there any chances that prices are gona dip lower than this on a 24 inch LCD come black friday?

[Bender]

I bit the bullet and got one. I used a $30 off 150 coupon so my grand total including tax and free shipping is $286.86. I have no doubt this thing looks great; lets just hope it stays that way.

[Jonsey]

I don't want to sound like a broken record since I asked this in another post... and I regretted not getting that 2900 pro :/

but are there any chances that prices are gona dip lower than this on a 24 inch LCD come black friday?

I got one. $300 for a 8 bit 24" monitor is incredible. Hope there's no dead pixels.

One of the new guys at work thought he was hot stuff because IT gave him a 19" LCD. I'll bring this in early and set it up before anyone else comes in. When the coworkers ask about it, I'll tell them IT got it for me. That should stir them up!

[Just Some Dude]

Where did you find the info showing the panel type for the Soyo? I can't seem to locate it.

[ManChild]

after one night of gaming i can really say this monitor is awesome :beer:. colors are fine panel is big and bright and the price is right.

[Warren G]

would there be any problems if i used something like a vga to rca adapter so i can use it to watch tv and play games? ill probably be using this for 50% tv for teh next 10 months or so (til i move out and get a lcdtv, then i can use this as a dedicated monitor)

[blackjackel]

I bit the bullet and got one. I used a $30 off 150 coupon so my grand total including tax and free shipping is $286.86. I have no doubt this thing looks great; lets just hope it stays that way.

say you wouldnt happen to still have the coupon? Apparently the code can be used over and over... i can order it on the phone...

[Bender]

say you wouldnt happen to still have the coupon? Apparently the code can be used over and over... i can order it on the phone...

I PMd you the code I used so cross your fingers and hold your breath. I think it only works once but if not thats great.

[blackjackel]

For starters P-MVA panels are true 8bit , and yes the color reproduction is quite abit better . Better info here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD



Heres a couple of reviews too :

http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/9867/47/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=1



Soyo product page :http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=431


*edit*
BTW ... get 4% cash back with Ebates (Ebates.com) . Great way to save a few extra bucks , as Ive been doing Ebates for years and they are very reliable .

(Note: if your new to Ebates they give an added $5 for new users and referals . Need a referal , send me a pm w/email addy .*I hope this does not go against forum rules ; but if so then I'll edit my post* )

ebates.com is down right?

[stereo555]

ebates.com is down right?

Site comes up for me . Just tried it (if thats what you meant).

[blackjackel]

Site comes up for me . Just tried it (if thats what you meant).

it was one of the entires in my host file... it was a host file that supposed to block all ads and such...

[blackjackel]

went to the ebates site and it said that its not valid with purchases with gift certificates... does that mean it won't work with a 35 bucks off coupon?

[d4rr3n]

Those asking about a coupon you may be able to get the cashier to do a $25 of $100 scan for you with their card. I picked up 2 today and they did it both times for me (without me asking either). So $550+tax for 2 24" 8-bit 1920x1200 monitors is a ridiculous deal IMO. First one looked so nice I had to grab another, not a single dead or stuck pixel with great color and no noticeable ghosting. The bezel could be nicer and thinner and adjustable height and tilting or more inputs would be nice but certainly not worth twice as much money. I'd definitely recommend it.

[stereo555]

went to the ebates site and it said that its not valid with purchases with gift certificates... does that mean it won't work with a 35 bucks off coupon?

No . You can use coupons and gift cards to "make" the purchase of items (as Ive used tons of coupon codes and one gift card) ; but if you "purchase" a gift card (itself) using/though ebates then you "may" not get the ebates cash back . Thats my take/experiance with that statement . ;)

[Bender]

Well I got mine today and so far I am very happy. I tested for dead pixels and found zero. As long as it doesnt die I think this thing is absolutely an awsome deal.

[Sir. BOBSONATOR]

I jumped on this last time around and found a 10 dollar off coupon too

Incredible deal, best i have ever gotten, this monitor will blow you away. Take my word for it.

[Just Some Dude]

Hi all,
I got one also. It randomly blacks out and there are white speckles randomly occuring on the screen. I took it back and the new one does the exact same thing. Think it might be my drivers?

I have 2x HD2900 pros (I've tried 7.8-7.9-7.10)
P5W DH (Bios 2206)
2 G ST ram
Pent D 805 (oc to 3.4)

Any one know about this?
Please Help

[ManChild]

Hi all,
I got one also. It randomly blacks out and there are white speckles randomly occuring on the screen. I took it back and the new one does the exact same thing. Think it might be my drivers?

I have 2x HD2900 pros (I've tried 7.8-7.9-7.10)
P5W DH (Bios 2206)
2 G ST ram
Pent D 805 (oc to 3.4)

Any one know about this?
Please Help

If you got that sorry dvi cable that came with your monitor connected. throw it in the dumpster and buy a new one. that should be your problem

[Just Some Dude]

I'm using a better cable. :shrug:

[Smitty1258]

so is there a coupon code that works with this?

[ManChild]

try one video card and see what happen. no way you got two monitors with the same problems

[Just Some Dude]

Yes Manchild it was something else. I pulled one of the cards out but still same problem. So i put it on another machine and its working fine now.

[ManChild]

Good I am glad you found the problem.Its a awesome monitor

[Smitty1258]

bump for coupon

sale ends tomorrow.

[Smitty1258]

got one yesterday, had a dead line near the bottom of the screen. Taking it back today. For another.

[ManChild]

got one yesterday, had a dead line near the bottom of the screen. Taking it back today. For another.

the same thing happen to me . The next one I got was awesome.

[stereo555]

Well finally set my Soyo up yesterday and have been running it for 24hrs straight .

Out of the box things looked very good , but I did turn down the brightness to 35 . No dead pixels , lines or bleed . My production date is July/07 (if that matters to anyone) .

Played a few games thus far ... niiiiiiice , good colors , brighness , no ghosting . FPS have barely chaged from my past 1680x1250 to 1920x1200 . Pretty happy atm as long as it holds up . Probably going to add a atleast a year warranty from OM if thats still do-able "after" a purchase just to be safe side . My brothers is going strong after about 3 weeks (production date Aug/07).

All in all , a nice deal so far and games never looked so good . :D

*mabe a few pics posted later on*

[ManChild]

you got 14 days from purchase date to get warranty.

[Bender]

Mine was made July 2007 as well. If I get a few years out of this I will be quite happy. The last monitor I bought was an IBM P260 Trinitron CRT back in October 2003. This thing dwarfs even that accept its a slightly thinner 13.5 pounds not 70.5 lol.

[stereo555]

you got 14 days from purchase date to get warranty.

Cool , thx for the info ;)




Mine was made July 2007 as well. If I get a few years out of this I will be quite happy. The last monitor I bought was an IBM P260 Trinitron CRT back in October 2003. This thing dwarfs even that accept its a slightly thinner 13.5 pounds not 70.5 lol.

Ditto .. a couple of years of use and I'll be happy as well . By that time 30" will be the same price :D

[Smitty1258]

got my new one, its FREAKING SWEET!

[stereo555]

*bump*

Back onsale for $320 , BUT INSTORE ONLY (so far) .

Sale is in this weeks flyer , but not online . :eh?: http://officemax.shoplocal.com/officemax/Default.aspx?action=browsepagedetail&storeid=2539979&rapid=466662&pagenumber=8&listingid=-2092585910

Btw , my Soyo is still going strong for the last 2 weeks with no problems .

[4od]

Now available online for 320$

Picking up mine ASAP

[Bender]

I have one $30 off $150 coupon code good online if anyone is interested. Its good until October 27th. The first PM request I receive gets it. I only ask that you use it!

[stereo555]

*bump*

Back onsale AGAIN , 11/4/07 for $300 !

http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=21361009&searchString=soyo&productId=prod380042

Btw , Ive now had my monitor for 4 weeks and its doing great ; along with a few other people I know that purchased one , and they too are very happy with thier purchase. Seems the later made units have no problems as previous ones with little to no tweaking needed out of the box .

[d94]

*bump*

Back onsale AGAIN , 11/4/07 for $300 !

http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=21361009&searchString=soyo&productId=prod380042

Btw , Ive now had my monitor for 4 weeks and its doing great ; along with a few other people I know that purchased one , and they too are very happy with thier purchase.

curious ~ any idea how it might compare to say acer LCD quality? :beer:

and WOOT got a $50 off $250 coupon..instore = $250 + tax for this badboy..and if i can find some ink $235 + tax :D

[stereo555]

$5 Pricegrabber rebate (review) also available : http://reviews.pricegrabber.com/flat-panel-lcd-monitors/m/48689851/ :santa:

[dj_2004]

I'll be moving up from my 22" I suppose. :D d94, is that coupon printable? If so, would you mind uploading it here? :)

[d94]

I'll be moving up from my 22" I suppose. :D d94, is that coupon printable? If so, would you mind uploading it here? :)

notta problem :)

Welp, i went in and just got mine! they wouldnt accept the $50 off coupon
but once they asked me about the extended warrenty, i said id take it if they took the coupon so the cashier made some "magic" happen..haha and accepted my inks - total cost out the door was $299 with tax with the extended warrenty

attached to my post is the coupon

[Nathan0490]

notta problem :)

Welp, i went in and just got mine! they wouldnt accept the $50 off coupon
but once they asked me about the extended warrenty, i said id take it if they took the coupon so the cashier made some "magic" happen..haha and accepted my inks - total cost out the door was $299 with tax with the extended warrenty

attached to my post is the coupon

Score!! Nice one, got pics of your setup now? :)

[d94]

Score!! Nice one, got pics of your setup now? :)

hehe..fosho:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4250/dscf4435nh3.jpg

the screen is rediculously bright..it just looks dim due to the flash

[dj_2004]

Thanks for the coupon, d94. I'll see what they say. :)

[Godfather1138]

going to try and grab one tomorrow. I've been ****ed every time I saw this come up b/c I was just a little short on cash to get it, but I've got it this week so my fingers are crossed they will have one in stock.

Thanks for posting the coupon d94.

[Krusty]

Ok, I'm horribly annoyed. I just tried to order 2 of these online. The damned web site won't let me order them. It asks me to remove all discontinued items from my shopping cart, but the item's arentn discontinued!

edit: Called their customer support. They said the new web site occasionally has issues and took my order over the phone.

I'm gonna be ****ed if a better monitor is on sale for cheaper on black friday though.

[Godfather1138]

Just picked mine up. the coupon would not ring up, but they did an override b/c I told them I would do the 1 year replacement plan. $305 out the door.

thanks again for the coupon, it saved me enough to pick up CoD4 tomorrow!


EDIT: Odd, my stand doesn't seem to have the tilt feature. Anyone else get one like this, or am I just missing a release somewhere to get it to tilt.

[d94]

Just picked mine up. the coupon would not ring up, but they did an override b/c I told them I would do the 1 year replacement plan. $305 out the door.

thanks again for the coupon, it saved me enough to pick up CoD4 tomorrow!


EDIT: Odd, my stand doesn't seem to have the tilt feature. Anyone else get one like this, or am I just missing a release somewhere to get it to tilt.

hehe ^^ yep..and its a 2yr replacement :beer:
and it does tilt..u just gotta apply ALOT of pressure

[Godfather1138]

Actually they offered me a 1 or 2 year at different prices. I took the cheaper one just so they would use the coupon.

[chakup]

well I went to get one, but the picture on the display was horrid. I don't think I could handle looking at that for more than 10 minutes so decided to wait.

[dj_2004]

well I went to get one, but the picture on the display was horrid. I don't think I could handle looking at that for more than 10 minutes so decided to wait.

Most likely due to improper calibration/resolution and the use of vga. Visit any B&M store and you will see that many of them have no clue how to properly configure any sort of screen.

The M-PVA panel is very good.

[Krusty]

Most likely due to improper calibration/resolution and the use of vga. Visit any B&M store and you will see that many of them have no clue how to properly configure any sort of screen.

The M-PVA panel is very good.

Reviews say the color quality is certainly not up to par with the nice Dell or Mac monitors, but not too shabby considering how cheap it is:

ExtremeTech.com: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211595,00.asp

BenchmarkReviews: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=47

[stereo555]

well I went to get one, but the picture on the display was horrid. I don't think I could handle looking at that for more than 10 minutes so decided to wait.


Most likely due to improper calibration/resolution and the use of vga. Visit any B&M store and you will see that many of them have no clue how to properly configure any sort of screen.

The M-PVA panel is very good.

I agree with dj ... com'on ... how many major stores do you know of that have their lcd's displays looking good or set up properly = basically none . Every now and again ( but very rarely) you may see one that is setup and done correctly , but to base your buying decision strictly on the out come or looks of an instore presentation is not wise ; infact doing so will mostly result in you NEVER making an lcd purchase .

Personally , I purchased mine online (sight unseen) and based my decision on reviews and other people's personal experiences . Ive done this for my last 3 lcd purchases and its paid off , all resulting in a possitive outcome .

I'd say , grab a Soyo ... take it home , kick the tires and give it drive around the block ... then decide .

I think you'll be pleasently surprised at just how much monitor you really are getting for $300 .

My .02 ;)

[chakup]

I may go back. And maybe it was just this one- the rest of the monitors there looked decent, this one the image was just horrible, rolling black lines.

[dj_2004]

Just picked mine up. chakup, you must've seen a defective one because mine is stunning.

They accepted my coupon without complaint but had trouble entering it. The cashier had to make the monitor $249.99. I picked up a 1 year warranty as well. :) This warranty is only effective after the manufacturer's warranty ends, correct?

[Godfather1138]

As far as the colors go mine is on par if not above the quality of my ex's 226bw (or was it a 225bw?). Either way the picture quality is more than proper for me.

[Bender]

In two days I will have had mine a month. The monitor is still absolutely stunning.

[dj_2004]

In two days I will have had mine a month. The monitor is still absolutely stunning.

Have any calibration numbers you wish to share? :beer:

[d94]

WOOT, exchanged mine this morning on my way to work..brought it to work, set it up ~ build date is 2007.7 ~ aka JULY! booted it up and its looks AWSOME ^^

now the question is do i keep the max-assurance plan or return it hehe

[stereo555]

*edited*

Ive been kinda keeping track of the production dates at various forums and ...

July and Sept production dates seem to be the best so far , with liitle to no adjustments needed right-out-of-the-box (except turning down the brightness to 35) .

For some strange reason August models can be a hit or miss .

I have a july/07 and it was almost perfect . My brother had an August/07 and the colors were abit off (even after many adjustments) , but exchanged it for a Sept/07 and now its perfect ; and another OC forums member (Micamica1217) also has a Sept/07 model with the same almost perfect results .

Thought this info maybe useful to anyone "possibly" not happy with thier Soyo. Most people know from past experiance , that production dates "can" matter when it comes to lcd's . Dell and Samsung are a perfect example of this .

[chakup]

well picked one up this morning, holy crap. went from a dell 17" that was failing to this. build date 9/07, can't find anything wrong with it as of right now. just turned the brightness down to 30 and like it much more. thanks guys.

[chakup]

Oh and I was also able to use the coupon with a little playing dumb!

[d94]

Basically, what you want is one built in july..othewise it will suck lol, i would recommend pulling it out of the box in the store before you buy it to check that it was made in 2007.07 otherwise, you're wasting your time lol

[dj_2004]

July here as well. :)

[4od]

Just ordered one

I'll report on the date of production and quality when i get it

[Godfather1138]

Yep, July here and it was great straight out of the box.

[dj_2004]

Anyone have a tutorial on how to tilt the monitor? The manual had very little information on the topic and I was unsuccessful in my efforts.

[Bender]

I turned brightness down and that is all.

Have any calibration numbers you wish to share? :beer:

[dj_2004]

I turned brightness down and that is all.

I also found that using the default "user" settings for color is better than the other presets.

[d94]

I turned brightness down and that is all.

yep..down to 32 ~ looks great :beer:

[stereo555]

Seems this monitor will be onsale BF for $250 .... http://bfads.net/SOYO-24-Widescreen-LCD-Monitor-at-Office-Max

[dj_2004]

Seems this monitor will be onsale BF for $250 .... http://bfads.net/SOYO-24-Widescreen-LCD-Monitor-at-Office-Max

BF came early for many of us with d94's coupon. :soda:

[Warren G]

nice...im still contemplating on this or a 1080P tv..but at 250$, think ill have to get one..

[Godfather1138]

Anyone have a tutorial on how to tilt the monitor? The manual had very little information on the topic and I was unsuccessful in my efforts.

You and me both. d94 took his apart and found there is a piece of plastic that blocks it from tilting. I was scared I was going to rip out the screws trying to get mine to tilt so I just left it alone for now, and propped it up a little. I'm planning on changing the stand later anyway.


EDIT: Yep, just can't be scared to break it. It will tilt.

[d94]

You and me both. d94 took his apart and found there is a piece of plastic that blocks it from tilting. I was scared I was going to rip out the screws trying to get mine to tilt so I just left it alone for now, and propped it up a little. I'm planning on changing the stand later anyway.

If anyone figure out an easy way to get the tilt to work without moding it let us know.

Yep..got another unit the other day, just had to apply ALOT of force and it tilt'd

[Krusty]

Soo...

I remember a couple years ago someone linked a web site here that had really cheap LCD monitor arms. Anyone remember what that site is?

EDIT: Ah ha! Found it! Here are some wall/desk mount LCD monitor arms
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WLB372&cat=MON
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WLB371&cat=MON
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=LCD-199&cat=MON
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=LCD-179&cat=MON

[dj_2004]

Soo...

I remember a couple years ago someone linked a web site here that had really cheap LCD monitor arms. Anyone remember what that site is?

Monoprice.com?

I will try again to tilt it. It sure doesn't look like it will but then again, I should do it before my two weeks of warranty are gone.

Edit: Hmm, tilting was actually quite easy to do. :p

[d94]

hmm $250 on BF..looks like ill be comming back and getting it PM'd :D
http://bfads.net/SOYO-24-Widescreen-LCD-Monitor-at-Office-Max

[Krusty]

Monoprice.com?

I will try again to tilt it. It sure doesn't look like it will but then again, I should do it before my two weeks of warranty are gone.

Edit: Hmm, tilting was actually quite easy to do. :p

Wow, I didn't know monoprice also had monitor arms. Thanks! Now to figure out which one to get...

edit: Aww, monoprice doesn't have desk mount LCD holders. I'm contemplating getting the 4 LCD holding desk mount one. Then, later on, I can upgrade my little computer room TV to an LCD tv and mount that above my screens!

[Godfather1138]

I'm actually thinking about grabbing another one of these on BF, would be worth it.

[maelstromracing]

I just got mine tonight and there is a horizontal line about 1/3 the way down from the top. Not sure if it is borked or if I need to adjust something....

[Krusty]

I just got mine tonight and there is a horizontal line about 1/3 the way down from the top. Not sure if it is borked or if I need to adjust something....

If you can plug it in and immediately tell that it's messed up, I'd return it for a replacement.

[4od]

Just read this review (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211596,00.asp) and it made it sound like there was some serious ghosting...

Is this true?

[dj_2004]

Just read this review (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211596,00.asp) and it made it sound like there was some serious ghosting...

Is this true?

I was playing Painkiller (my current rig's mobo is being RMA'd so I cannot do any serious gaming) and did not notice any ghosting. Of course, my testing was limited and I won't know for certain till next week.

[d94]

I just got mine tonight and there is a horizontal line about 1/3 the way down from the top. Not sure if it is borked or if I need to adjust something....

go exchange it~ its deffective, and out of curiosity whats the build date? :D

[d94]

Just read this review (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211596,00.asp) and it made it sound like there was some serious ghosting...

Is this true?

none that i can tell..just played some crysis myself, will install CSS and COD4 shortly

[BossBorot]

thinking of picking one up for a flip down screen by my couch :)

[Godfather1138]

Been playing CoD4, TF2, Portal, BF2142, and BF2 and have seen zero ghosting on mine.

[maelstromracing]

go exchange it~ its deffective, and out of curiosity whats the build date? :D


Where do I find that? I guess I will be taking it back tomorrow or Friday.

[dj_2004]

Where do I find that? I guess I will be taking it back tomorrow or Friday.

On the back of the panel you should see a sticker with manufacturer information.

[maelstromracing]

2007 08.....
Ok August. It will be returned tomorrow or Friday....

[stereo555]

I just got mine tonight and there is a horizontal line about 1/3 the way down from the top. Not sure if it is borked or if I need to adjust something....

Unfortunatly thats one of the found flaws on some of the units .... go exchange it out .

2007 08.....
Ok August. It will be returned tomorrow or Friday....

Yeh , "August" , another reason to exchange it . As I stated earlier , the August units are just kinda wierd and seem to have thier own set of differant problems .

[BossBorot]

already posted in bf thread but know that this monitor will be $249.99 (no rebates) on black friday

[maelstromracing]

already posted in bf thread but know that this monitor will be $249.99 (no rebates) on black friday

to me that $50 saved is still not enough for me to stand outside a store for an hour or two and fight the crowds. It's just not me, that's why I got it now, especially since I will be returning it. I have the malls and stores in the holiday season. I usually order all my gifts online, except for the liquor store runs. :)

[aaronjb]

Just read this review (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211596,00.asp) and it made it sound like there was some serious ghosting...

Is this true?

From the reviews that I've read, this display is not intended for any sort of gaming or multimedia. The unacceptable lag and ghosting are enough to rule it out for anything other than normal desktop use.

[d94]

From the reviews that I've read, this display is not intended for any sort of gaming or multimedia. The unacceptable lag and ghosting are enough to rule it out for anything other than normal desktop use.

the reviews are wrong, there IS no ghosting..last nite i played CSS and COD4..perfectly

[aaronjb]

none that i can tell..just played some crysis myself, will install CSS and COD4 shortly

d, I'm sorry to call you out on this, but every review that I read says this this display is completely unacceptable for gaming or video use. I'll see if I can find one local to check it out, but common sense says that a $300 (or $250) 24" display significantly lower in quality than a more expensive 24" display. Corners are cut with the image processing hardware and particularly with the panel. ExtremeTech in particular noted that the smearing is reason enough for gamers to stay away.

But I could be wrong, it's happened before! :)

If you're looking for an excellent monitor (complete with Faroudja video processor), it looks like Gateway has hit the mark with the second revision of their 24" display:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2213483,00.asp

[d94]

d, I'm sorry to call you out on this, but every review that I read says this this display is completely unacceptable for gaming or video use. I'll see if I can find one local to check it out, but common sense says that a $300 (or $250) 24" display significantly lower in quality than a more expensive 24" display. Corners are cut with the image processing hardware and particularly with the panel. ExtremeTech in particular noted that the smearing is reason enough for gamers to stay away.

But I could be wrong, it's happened before! :)

If you're looking for an excellent monitor (complete with Faroudja video processor), it looks like Gateway has hit the mark with the second revision of their 24" display:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2213483,00.asp

its arite ~ perhaps you should go pick one up yourself and see :D
that gateway is nice..at TWICE the price, i could get two of these for one gateway lol, and as others have stated the panal is truelly stunning :beer:

[maelstromracing]

I played CSS and COD4 Demo last night and I had no ghosting or image problems (except for that damn horizontal line). Not to threadjack, but since I am returning, what are you thoughts on this one:
http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=21488203&displayBreadCrumb=ResponseTime:2ms&_requestid=8637 0

I know it is only 22" but it might be better, but I don't know. I am a monitor idiot. :)

[dj_2004]

I played CSS and COD4 Demo last night and I had no ghosting or image problems (except for that damn horizontal line). Not to threadjack, but since I am returning, what are you thoughts on this one:
http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=21488203&displayBreadCrumb=ResponseTime:2ms&_requestid=8637 0

I know it is only 22" but it might be better, but I don't know. I am a monitor idiot. :)

Sceptre is quite bad. For starters, their 22" monitors are known to develop bad DVI ports on a common basis. On top of that, it looks to be a TN panel.

aaronjb : Those reviewers must be extremely sensitive. I've read several posts from owners of this monitor who claim no ghosting, as well as I. In fact, the only people who claim ghosting are the reviewers. Then again, I don't care what they say as I am extremely happy with my purchase. Bad reviews may benefit me as less people will be buying it on BF. :)

[Krusty]

d, I'm sorry to call you out on this, but every review that I read says this this display is completely unacceptable for gaming or video use. I'll see if I can find one local to check it out, but common sense says that a $300 (or $250) 24" display significantly lower in quality than a more expensive 24" display. Corners are cut with the image processing hardware and particularly with the panel. ExtremeTech in particular noted that the smearing is reason enough for gamers to stay away.

But I could be wrong, it's happened before! :)

If you're looking for an excellent monitor (complete with Faroudja video processor), it looks like Gateway has hit the mark with the second revision of their 24" display:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2213483,00.asp

I think the people doing these reviews are significantly more picky than your average gamer. Not that this is a bad thing, but I think they're really trying hard to point out the differences between this monitor and one that is 2-3 times the price.

Back in the earlier days of LCDs, people used to say that a 25ms response time was the sweet spot that would yield no ghosting. Then it went down to 16ms as being the uber awesome response time. Now we're looking at budget gaming LCDs with a 2ms response time while this one has 6-8ms. The review people are hung up on the fact that the response time is 3-4 times longer than the new gaming LCDs but they are forgetting that even a discerning human eye probably won't notice any ghosting on 6ms; that's why people were originally happy with 25ms.

I have ordered two of these monitors and they should be arriving today or tomorrow. I had them delivered to my work for ease of package acceptance, but also for another reason. I work in IT for a game development company and the artists I support tend to be very picky when it comes to monitors. If the response time or color reproduction is just slightly off, they'll complain to me and I'll need to replace it. I'm going to pass one of these monitors out to my most picky artist so they can tell me (and everyone else here) what they think of it.

edit: Here's an example of where I'm coming from. I am currently posting this on a dual LCD setup with a Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP and a Samsung Syncmaster 204b. Personally, I don't think the price difference between the two is worth it. My Samsung is really damned bright, so I had to turn the brightness down. Because of that, I think the whites are a little bit grey, but it is otherwise identical in quality to the Dell.

My artists, on the other hand, HATE this Samsung monitor. They come in here and look at it from all sorts of angles, complaining about how the color changes depending on where you're viewing it from. So I'm kind of expecting them to hate this 24" monitor, but I won't really care if I like it. I will be pleasantly surprised if they claim to like it.

[stereo555]

Yeh, saw that article from ExtremeTech , but I find the statement made on the last page is highly inacurate/incorrect :

"Gamers looking for a panel with a really good response time and very low smearing during fast-action games should look elsewhere".




I see no ghosting or motion blur problems while playing games such as Bioshock/BF2/Crysis demo/CoH/HL2/TF2 ,etc .

I mean they (ExtremeTech) dont even list the basic testing rig specs (cpu/memory) , along with using a 7800gt to test games at 1920x1200 was not the brightest desision .

If your going to review a larger monitor with a higher (than the norm) resolution , and review its gaming performance ; I would think you should you review it with pc hardware closer to "todays" real gamers specs .

Consider also , that the many people that already purchased this monitor here at the forums (most likly did this purchase strickly for gaming reasons) would have been the first people to "mention" that this monitor sucks for gaming due to ghosting or motion blur.

Personally , if this unit had any "problems" with ghosting and/or motion blur ; I would have sent this sucker back to the store in as hot second !

Iam really surprised how just how many inacurrant statements about this monitors gaming performance there really are .

Personal experiance is the best tester imo , and this monitor has really surprised me and surpassed my gaming expectations . Even my brother (who is damn picky) was considering a 28"-30" monitor upgrade from his Gateway 21" FPD2185W (which is great S-IPS panel ) with the amount of spending money not really being an object , he too puchased this Soyo and has also been nicely impressed with this panel ; so much so that he is no longer is looking to upgrade to anything else .

My .02 ;)

[aaronjb]

Robert Heron, the ExtremeTech (PCMagazine) display review guy, has seen and tested more displays than most of us. He also has the luxury of placing displays side-by-side with other displays for the point of comparison. I bought last year's Gateway 24" after Heron warned about the ghosting, and I ended up being disappointed in gaming.

That's not to say that you folks aren't enjoying your Soyo displays, and it's not to say that the display isn't a great value. But to say that it's "ghost-free" may have something to do with the fact that you purchased the display. :)

Check out this page, and watch for a smear behind following the moving block:

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

Also, RE: response times: There's no industry standard for response times, so consider all figures massaged or completely fabricated, even from the best manufacturers.

[Godfather1138]

I have to wonder what the build date was on the ones getting tested. We all seem to be in agreement that 7/07 is the one to get, and outside of that there are some serious issues that make it unusable for us. You also have to ask yourself if they are in any way biased before the review due to the price and brand. I'm sure they go into it thinking "great another pos budget LCD that I have to look at for 20min so I can tell everyone it really is crap."

[WoW_STORM]

I think I will get one of these for my wife.

[mbigna]

A few things here:

First. This Soyo 24" monitor will be $250 at Office Max on Black Friday (and the following Saturday, "while quantities last").

If you are interested in keeping up with Black Friday sales, I have been running this thread here:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=530040

Second: Here is a good review article from extremetech.com:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2211595,00.asp

You can compare to their Gateway 24" monitor here:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2213483,00.asp

[4od]

Got mine, its from august and its flawless.

And by the way, if you've never seen a 24 inch widescreen, they are VERY large.

Also, no ghosting is CS:S.

Pics in a bit

[wa77ss]

I wish I got a 24" compared to my 20"

The difference in size seems soo big

[ManChild]

I got ghosting in one game but that game is a waste of money, Medal of honor airborne. today i played call of duty 4. Its a very fast game and no ghosting at all. I replace my dvi cable from the one that came with the monitor and I have been satisfied every since.My mfg date is July 2007.You will not fine a perfect monitor maybe a good one but not perfect. For 300 usd I think its a good deal. I didnt want to sink 600usd in a monitor that will be out dated by 2009.I got enough old parts stacked in the corner of my gaming room as it is.:bang head:bang head. Buy it if you dont like it take it back for a full refund. office max dont give you any hassles.

[4od]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/4od/DSCF4187.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/4od/DSCF4192.jpg

[aaronjb]

I saw one of these displays yesterday. If you're not seeing ghosting, it's for one of two reasons:

1) You've never spent time with a display that exhibits less ghosting;

2) Your eyes simply can't/don't detect it. See (1).

I'm not saying that you can't be happy with this display, but the old adage "You get what you pay for" still applies to consumer products.

And with that said, this would make a great second display for a dual-display setup.. :)

[dj_2004]

I saw one of these displays yesterday. If you're not seeing ghosting, it's for one of two reasons:

1) You've never spent time with a display that exhibits less ghosting;

2) Your eyes simply can't/don't detect it. See (1).

I'm not saying that you can't be happy with this display, but the old adage "You get what you pay for" still applies to consumer products.

And with that said, this would make a great second display for a dual-display setup.. :)

Lies! :)

I suppose I am glad I am not ultra sensitive about this issue as I much rather pay $250 than $500+ for something that will become inexpensive within a year or two.

Where did you see the monitor, btw?

[d94]

I saw one of these displays yesterday. If you're not seeing ghosting, it's for one of two reasons:

1) You've never spent time with a display that exhibits less ghosting;

2) Your eyes simply can't/don't detect it. See (1).

I'm not saying that you can't be happy with this display, but the old adage "You get what you pay for" still applies to consumer products.

And with that said, this would make a great second display for a dual-display setup.. :)

You'e always been extra pickey with diplays :D
20 an going young..but i deffinely dont have the best eyes haha... welp atleast for some of us (me) ~ looks very good..cod4 is a very fast paced game, and i have zero blur or anytihng ~ hopefully for you you decide to atleast pick one up as a second disply :) ..esp if you grab it for $250

[micamica1217]

I saw one of these displays yesterday. If you're not seeing ghosting, it's for one of two reasons:


let's stop right here...
if you saw the display instore, then you didn't use it. you didn't play a game on it. you didn't even try to do anything on it but look at it.
stop with the nonsence.

I've tested this monitor out with both DVDs and games (finished bioshock on it, and am now playing CoD4)...no ghosting that I can tell.
I'm comming from the 19" L90D from hyundai, that I helped review in this forum...this soyo is better.

now it does have some flaws, but it's a compromise.
it's not a gamming TN panel that has a quick responce time, and it's not an ultra wide gamit display like the Dell 2407's....
but it's like a cross between the two.

now about the ET review from R Heron...
his problem was that he tryed to compare the soyo to faster responce time TN panels, while also comparing the soyo to the true ultra gamit ones.
sorry, but this monitor is not going to win when you stack the cards against it in that way.
but try to find a TN that can produce colors like this one for photo work, and then try to find a good wide gamit panel that can play games as good as this....then it's a different story.
you'll have to pay almost twice as much money to get the results like this, due to the fact that they have added features such as HDMI imputs.

so, in the end, are there better panels for games or photo/video work? yes
but for both? not realy. not unless you wana spent arount $600-$1000 US

dude, it was just a few years ago that my L90D was top of the line, and the best for gamming that we had.
today, even this slightly faster panel is quite good at gamming...so good, it's better then my old L90D. (and has a wider gamit due to it's 8bit wide gamit vs 6bit)

now the stand stinks, and I still need a new one....lol

mica

(edit: man, I realy need to change my sig)

[Krusty]

Got my monitors today. Both were 2007.9 so they were manufactured in September. I'm gonna hook one up and compare it to my 2007fp dell and give the other to one of my artists to test out.

[Krusty]

Ok, so I have one monitor hooked up at one of my artist's PCs to check for color reproduction. I have the other hooked up to my PC at work, directly next to a Dell 2007FP. Here are my first impressions:

The color reproduction looks to be fantastic for me. It is on par with my Samsung 204b but not quite as great as my 2007FP. This means that, upon my brief inspection, reds, greens, blues, and blacks all look to be great. The whites are a little bit grey compared to my Dell 2007FP, but it is expected on a budget monitor.

This one is an important one:
THERE IS GHOSTING(edit: it turns out that, with the brightness reduced a bit, this ghosting is much less prominent than originally observed)
First, I tested just moving my white mouse around on a black background. The white to black ghosting did not appear to be significant. It looked slightly worse than my Dell 2007FP, but was not horrible. What turned out being horrible, however, was this page:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

My Samsung Syncmaster 204b and my Dell 2007FP both looked about the same using this little flash animation. I mistakenly assumed that pretty much all new monitors would yield similar results. This screen, however, has a very visible trail of red behind the moving box. While I have not yet played a game with this monitor (Will be testing Team Fortress 2 at lunch), this brief test tells me that I may notice the ghosting.

So far, this purchase was not all I was expecting it to be due to the reviews on this forum, but I still would not consider this to be a bad deal. I was hoping to make this my primary monitor, but I may be moving it to a secondary position behind my 2001FP at home, depending on how my games look tonight.

edit: UPDATE! The monitor I gave to my artist appears to have a little less ghosting than mine. The one I'm on now will likely be borderline intolerable for games. The one my artist has does have a little ghosting, but not as much as this one. He'll be testing COD4 today at lunch. I'll be testing Team Fortress 2 at lunch.

UPDATE 2: After turning down the brightness a bit (I had to turn it down to about 20), the ghosting from that web page was reduced to a more tolerable level. I still need to test it in gaming though.

[micamica1217]

Ok, so I have one monitor hooked up at one of my artist's PCs to check for color reproduction. I have the other hooked up to my PC at work, directly next to a Dell 2007FP. Here are my first impressions:

The color reproduction looks to be fantastic for me. It is on par with my Samsung 204b but not quite as great as my 2007FP. This means that, upon my brief inspection, reds, greens, blues, and blacks all look to be great. The whites are a little bit grey compared to my Dell 2007FP, but it is expected on a budget monitor.

This one is an important one:
THERE IS GHOSTING
First, I tested just moving my white mouse around on a black background. The white to black ghosting did not appear to be significant. It looked slightly worse than my Dell 2007FP, but was not horrible. What turned out being horrible, however, was this page:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

My Samsung Syncmaster 204b and my Dell 2007FP both looked about the same using this little flash animation. I mistakenly assumed that pretty much all new monitors would yield similar results. This screen, however, has a very visible trail of red behind the moving box. While I have not yet played a game with this monitor (Will be testing Team Fortress 2 at lunch), this brief test tells me that I may notice the ghosting.

So far, this purchase was not all I was expecting it to be due to the reviews on this forum, but I still would not consider this to be a bad deal. I was hoping to make this my primary monitor, but I may be moving it to a secondary position behind my 2001FP at home, depending on how my games look tonight.

edit: UPDATE! The monitor I gave to my artist appears to have a little less ghosting than mine. The one I'm on now will likely be borderline intolerable for games. The one my artist has does have a little ghosting, but not as much as this one. He'll be testing COD4 today at lunch. I'll be testing Team Fortress 2 at lunch.

UPDATE 2: After turning down the brightness a bit (I had to turn it down to about 20), the ghosting from that web page was reduced to a more tolerable level. I still need to test it in gaming though.

that animation almost always shows some amount of trails in red to some degree...on all monitors. even 2ms TN panels. it's made to show that.
I would not truly call that ghosting, but a tailling effect.

to go on, all monitors need to be calibrated.
it is only after calibration that you will fully see just what your monitor can do.
while I'm glad that turning down the brightness helped a little with that problem (if you want to call that a problem)...let's remember that you are still not fully calibrated, and even after you are, it will not fully go away.

THIS IS NOT A TN PANEL GUYS...don't expect a lack of ghosting like you might get in some of the 2ms "gray to gray" TN style of panels. but at the same time, even some of the best TN gamming panels have a small amount of ghosting.

my sugjestion to you is to watch a few movies, and play a few games. see if you notice anything odd. your best bet is to get into game, and move your view fast, both right and left, and see if you notice a ghost of an image of say a building against a background of light colored sky.
there are also plenty of HD trailers of movies online for you to watch in the meantime before you can game.
I'm sure in the end, you'll be happy...or maybe, that one you are testing is a dud. it happens.

mica

[Godfather1138]

I think some of the confusion here is the fact that we are all blown away at the quality vs. the price. We all know it's not perfect, and yest there may be ghosting on some of these panels, but in the long run this is still a smoking deal for 24" LCD. I for one would have waited another year before being able to have a display like this if it wasn't for this deal. I am moving up from a very nice 19" Dell CRT that I have had for almost 10 years now. So yeah, I'm more than happy with this, and do not have the ghosting problem on mine.

trail of red

very minor on mine, and that is saying allot fro something that is designed to really pull the effect out.

[d94]

that animation almost always shows some amount of trails in red to some degree...on all monitors. even 2ms TN panels. it's made to show that.
I would not truly call that ghosting, but a tailling effect.

to go on, all monitors need to be calibrated.
it is only after calibration that you will fully see just what your monitor can do.
while I'm glad that turning down the brightness helped a little with that problem (if you want to call that a problem)...let's remember that you are still not fully calibrated, and even after you are, it will not fully go away.

THIS IS NOT A TN PANEL GUYS...don't expect a lack of ghosting like you might get in some of the 2ms "gray to gray" TN style of panels. but at the same time, even some of the best TN gamming panels have a small amount of ghosting.

my sugjestion to you is to watch a few movies, and play a few games. see if you notice anything odd. your best bet is to get into game, and move your view fast, both right and left, and see if you notice a ghost of an image of say a building against a background of light colored sky.
there are also plenty of HD trailers of movies online for you to watch in the meantime before you can game.
I'm sure in the end, you'll be happy...or maybe, that one you are testing is a dud. it happens.

mica

Yep couldnt agree more
like i said earlier..i think the best test is COD4..or something of that type
its a very high pace game, and it looks absolutely STUNNING on this panel
i think i know how soyo can afford to sell these so cheap: half of them are CRAP!

[dj_2004]

Has anyone tried 1920x1080 resolution on a nvidia card? On my 8800GTS I get a vertical beam consisting of white artifacts (more like mini squares) that is about 1/7 of the width of the monitor. When I try it out on my ATI 9800 the resolution works fine. I'm guessing this is a driver issue?

[d94]

Has anyone tried 1920x1080 resolution on a nvidia card? On my 8800GTS I get a vertical beam consisting of white artifacts (more like mini squares) that is about 1/7 of the width of the monitor. When I try it out on my ATI 9800 the resolution works fine. I'm guessing this is a driver issue?

iv got an 8800gt, but your problem is just that your running 1920x1080 when you should be running 1920x1200 ;) the display is just filling those extra 1920x120 pixels with something lol

[Krusty]

Yep couldnt agree more
like i said earlier..i think the best test is COD4..or something of that type
its a very high pace game, and it looks absolutely STUNNING on this panel
i think i know how soyo can afford to sell these so cheap: half of them are CRAP!

My artist tester did an hour of COD4 on one of my panels. I think it convinced him to buy one of his own. I'd say that's enough to know that it's worth the purchase. I didn't play TF2 at lunch since I went out to celebrate someone's promotion, but I will be testing it out on my 7900GS tonight.

[dj_2004]

iv got an 8800gt, but your problem is just that your running 1920x1080 when you should be running 1920x1200 ;) the display is just filling those extra 1920x120 pixels with something lol

Sounds like it's an nvidia issue. Just wanted to make sure the monitor is working correctly before my two weeks are up. :)

[d94]

Sounds like it's an nvidia issue. Just wanted to make sure the monitor is working correctly before my two weeks are up. :)

Nah, the resolution is there because 1080p tv's are 1920x1080 ~ but if you slide the rez bar one nudge further you'll hit 1920x1200 :)

[dj_2004]

Nah, the resolution is there because 1080p tv's are 1920x1080 ~ but if you slide the rez bar one nudge further you'll hit 1920x1200 :)

I know about 1920x1200. :p 1920x1080 works fine with my 9800 but not my 8800. I like to watch 1080 videos on my PC so I would've preferred to have the option of 1920x1080 but I suppose I can suffice with 1920x1200.

Hmm, could be something with an aspect ratio setting in the driver's menu. I'll have to play with that later.

[ManChild]

I just finish a round of cod 4. What can I say but this monitor is just what a poor man like me need:beer: See ya in 2009 for that 30 inch soyo.:thup:

[maelstromracing]

bastages at the officemax where I got it is sold out I didn't fee like fighting 5pm traffic to replace it. The store closest to my house has it and has it on hold for me. They know I am coming by to exchange it. (Process is smooth and they are nice there at Office Max). tonights gaming will be a little CSS and maybe some BF2... I'll replace it in the morning. suck @$$ week at work and the beer is cold and bubbly...

[Krusty]

My monitor is now happily set up at home and is quite comfortable next to my 20" LCD. I had a pleasant surprise when I came home too. My desk mount LCD arm arrived on the same day as my monitor! Yay!

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3566/img9154ee6.jpg

There's just one tiny problem now. The monitor is so damned big that I need to move the arms to almost their max width to fit the LCDs next to eachother. The end result is that now my LCDs are sitting so far back on my desk that it's a little difficult to read text on the screen.

[aaronjb]

let's stop right here...
if you saw the display instore, then you didn't use it. you didn't play a game on it. you didn't even try to do anything on it but look at it.
stop with the nonsence.

And that's where I stopped reading your post.

From the ExtremeTech review:

Okay, it's time to rein in our expectations. This is a 24-inch widescreen monitor with a resolution of 1920x1200 that only costs $400. It simply shouldn't have to match monitors costing several hundred dollars more. And it doesn't—not even close. There are plenty of disappointments, from the lack of features to the poor color tracking, limited brightness, and low contrast ratio. There are also a few nice surprises, like the really nice gamma curve and relatively flat color response above 20% luminance. We really wouldn't recommend this monitor for gamers or movie fans (especially with the lack of HDCP support), but as a bargain monitor for web surfing and officehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/1.gif (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2212184,00.asp#) desktop use, it performs just fine. For an office environment, this is a good bargain. For home use where games or video are more important, you'll want to spend more for something better.I've cycled through a few 24" S-PVA panels (Gateway, Dell, Benq) this year, and I'll agree with Heron's statements above. The only 24" TN panel that I'm aware of is from NEC, and it's upwards of $1K.

Guys, I'm picky with my displays. I don't think that I'm a display snob of AVSforum caliber, but I do look for some key quality issues when picking up a display. The Soyo, side-by-side with a 24" Dell, (new) Gateway or Benq, has noticabely more pronounced ghosting. Yes, I know the difference in price may make up for difference in image quality, but not for me.

I hope you're all happy with these monitors. It's a very good price and most seem to be enjoying them. :thup:

[micamica1217]

And that's where I stopped reading your post.

well you should have read on, and you would have noticed that I gave an honest review of just what you get from the soyo. but I guess you're just here to start some problems.

now as for the ultra poor review, that noone agrees with...

From the ExtremeTech review:
Quote:
Okay, it's time to rein in our expectations. This is a 24-inch widescreen monitor with a resolution of 1920x1200 that only costs $400. It simply shouldn't have to match monitors costing several hundred dollars more. And it doesn't—not even close. There are plenty of disappointments, from the lack of features to the poor color tracking, limited brightness, and low contrast ratio.

funny, as my soyo tracks colors quite nice, thank you. when calibrated, my soyo at 6500k is ultra bright. and only at the 40% brightness setting....I think RH can turn up the brightness far higher on mine if he would wish, but it would blind him. low contrast ratio? omg, there are tons of monitors out today that have far less contrast then this one...is he joking, or just being silly?

There are also a few nice surprises, like the really nice gamma curve and relatively flat color response above 20% luminance.

and is there something wrong with that statement? for photo/video editing, it would be great

We really wouldn't recommend this monitor for gamers or movie fans (especially with the lack of HDCP support), but as a bargain monitor for web surfing and office desktop use, it performs just fine. For an office environment, this is a good bargain. For home use where games or video are more important, you'll want to spend more for something better.

maybe RH should sit back and watch some DVDs and play some games before he makes such a comment like that...he would change his mind fast.



if you realy think his reviews on monitors are so great,, read his gatway 24" review...even if the gateway is worse in a few things then the soyo, he still gives it a good comment...when he still dogs the soyo on stuff that is better then the gateway. biased? I think so.



I've cycled through a few 24" S-PVA panels (Gateway, Dell, Benq) this year, and I'll agree with Heron's statements above. The only 24" TN panel that I'm aware of is from NEC, and it's upwards of $1K.

I was originaly talking about 19, 20, and 22 inch models, but the more I look at the two latest reviews from RH, the more I see a biased review.



Guys, I'm picky with my displays. I don't think that I'm a display snob of AVSforum caliber, but I do look for some key quality issues when picking up a display. The Soyo, side-by-side with a 24" Dell, (new) Gateway or Benq, has noticabely more pronounced ghosting. Yes, I know the difference in price may make up for difference in image quality, but not for me.

thank you for showing just how much you HAVE NOT LOOKED side by side to the monitors you have listed.
if you did, you would notice a few things.
first the Benq is the worst of the lot...every review says so. even compared to the soyo.
if you realy did look into the Dell 2407-HD, then you would know that it is plaged with ghosting problems. to the point that Dell gave eveyone their money back...even if purchased months ago. in fact, if you would have realy looked into the Dell 24" display (never mind seeing one in person), you would have found this thread here....http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=521811

oooops, guess your busted
thanks for your time, it's been entertaining.

mica

[aaronjb]

well you should have read on, and you would have noticed that I gave an honest review of just what you get from the soyo. but I guess you're just here to start some problems.

OK, I'll bite. Tell me what calibration software you used, what tools you used to measure brightness levels, luminosity and color curves, and then tell me which displays you've stacked side-by-side and performed the same tests on.

I was originaly talking about 19, 20, and 22 inch models, but the more I look at the two latest reviews from RH, the more I see a biased review.

Robert Heron is a trusted reviewer with years of experience. Are you questioning his professional integrity? If so, feel free to let him know yourself; his contact info is on the ExtremeTech site.

You're in way above your head in this discussion, as evidenced by the following quote:

first the Benq is the worst of the lot...every review says so. even compared to the soyo.

:rolleyes:

Look, if you're happy with your display, that's all that matters. Just don't tell me that the $300 Soyo has better image quality, scaling and image processing than a $600 display with a proven track record and high-quality internal hardware.

I love a good deal as much as the next guy, and I'm not a fan of a particular brand over another. For the money, the Soyo is probably a good deal, but to assert that it's on par with or superior to displays that have a proven track record of testing better is to be intentionally disingenuous.

[Krusty]

Look, if you're happy with your display, that's all that matters. Just don't tell me that the $300 Soyo has better image quality, scaling and image processing than a $600 display with a proven track record and high-quality internal hardware.

I think you're looking at what people are saying here in the wrong way. People are coming here and talking about how great the monitor is because they personally can't see a reason why someone wouldn't want to spend half the money for something that is practically as good as monitors that are twice the price. They're coming here because they're so happy with the purchase that they want to convince other people to buy so they can be happy too.

I've only had the monitor for a day now and I can already say that I no longer see a reason to buy an expensive $800 LCD instead of this thing (even though I was skeptical at first). Sure, it isn't quite as good as an expensive Dell, but I am now thoroughly convinced that it is more than good enough for web surfing, programming, gaming, and graphics work.

Hell, I even managed to convince a very picky professional video game artist that this monitor is great. I think it means a lot when the guy that made me replace his monitor twice in 3 months is so in love with this monitor that he is now buying one for home.

It sounds to me like you're just one of those people that insist on top quality at a premium price. While this isn't a bad thing, you're obviously just not the kind of person that would think of buying one of these monitors in the first place. Eliminating the direct, scrutinized comparison to monitors that are twice the price, this is seriously a badass monitor at a badass price that anybody would be happy to own.

[d94]

I think you're looking at what people are saying here in the wrong way. People are coming here and talking about how great the monitor is because they personally can't see a reason why someone wouldn't want to spend half the money for something that is practically as good as monitors that are twice the price. They're coming here because they're so happy with the purchase that they want to convince other people to buy so they can be happy too.

I've only had the monitor for a day now and I can already say that I no longer see a reason to buy an expensive $800 LCD instead of this thing (even though I was skeptical at first). Sure, it isn't quite as good as an expensive Dell, but I am now thoroughly convinced that it is more than good enough for web surfing, programming, gaming, and graphics work.

Hell, I even managed to convince a very picky professional video game artist that this monitor is great. I think it means a lot when the guy that made me replace his monitor twice in 3 months is so in love with this monitor that he is now buying one for home.

yep..this actually sums it up very nicely, after having this..i'd never pay more than $300 for a 24" because its so nice, even though it does have a HUGE bezel and missing some extras lol

[aaronjb]

It sounds to me like you're just one of those people that insist on top quality at a premium price. While this isn't a bad thing, you're obviously just not the kind of person that would think of buying one of these monitors in the first place. Eliminating the direct, scrutinized comparison to monitors that are twice the price, this is seriously a badass monitor at a badass price that anybody would be happy to own.

I enjoy quality, but I also don't have very deep pockets, so I try to find the best value for my money. The Soyo does sound like a very good value, but I still question it's ability to scale non-native content or handle moving images well. I should note that I calibrate and test displays for review from time to time, and I trust the word of others who do the same testing when they say it doesn't handle moving images well.

As I said, I'm sure it's a nice display that suits many needs well. My gripe is when folks make unsubstantiated claims to justify their purchases, which is what micamica is doing. I should ignore that and move along.

[Krusty]

Well..I can attest to it handling moving images well. I've played TF2, HL2, and COD4 on this thing and it's gorgeous. Scaling non-native content, however, is something I have yet to try. I don't think I'll need to worry about this though. As long as I have a decent video card, there shouldn't be a game I can't play on either my 20" non widescreen or this new 24" widescreen.

[micamica1217]

Well..I can attest to it handling moving images well. I've played TF2, HL2, and COD4 on this thing and it's gorgeous. Scaling non-native content, however, is something I have yet to try. I don't think I'll need to worry about this though. As long as I have a decent video card, there shouldn't be a game I can't play on either my 20" non widescreen or this new 24" widescreen.

try crysis at 1600x1200 or any other non-native res you want...you'll be happy.

mica

[Krusty]

try crysis at 1600x1200 or any other non-native res you want...you'll be happy.

mica

Played a little warcraft 3 today at 16*12. It made it all fat though (due to being widescreen) so I switched to my 20" monitor instead. It did look pretty crisp though. I also busted out some TF2 for the first time since bringing it home. Now I need a new video card :-(. In order to get decent framerates on my 7900GS at native resolution, I had to turn everything down and turn AA and AF off completely.

[aaronjb]

try crysis at 1600x1200 or any other non-native res you want...you'll be happy.

mica

What scaling chipset does the Soyo use? Can it also do 1:1 pixel mapping?

[kamita]

Just purchased this monitor and took it out of the box, wowow it's huuuge, I'm nothing but smiles right now, it's replacing my 5 year old used 19" Dell CRT. I used the $50 off of $250 coupon which brought this thing to $250, but I did go to the Office Max I used to work for and talked to the manager, he said it would be fine even though the coupon was 2 days expired since it was going on sale for that price day after thanksgiving. What a deal. I'll test it out and report in the morning.

[micamica1217]

Played a little warcraft 3 today at 16*12. It made it all fat though (due to being widescreen) so I switched to my 20" monitor instead. It did look pretty crisp though. I also busted out some TF2 for the first time since bringing it home. Now I need a new video card :-(. In order to get decent framerates on my 7900GS at native resolution, I had to turn everything down and turn AA and AF off completely.

I played WoW for 3 years now...just stoped for the sec time, as I'm totaly burned out. maybe playing as main tank for my raid guild had something to do with this. lol
anyway, I have not tested WoW with a wide screen. but I do know there is a website dedicated to all games for wide screen use. I remember seeing something about playing WoW...and while it might not be suported, if not, they will have a fix for it. I just wish I wasn't on my new rig, as I don't have a link...and can't remember the name of the web site.


mica

[micamica1217]

What scaling chipset does the Soyo use? Can it also do 1:1 pixel mapping?

the soyo does 16:10 and 4:3, sadly not 1:1.
but you would know that after seeing it against the dell, gateway, and the benq, side by side.

look, you realy need to get yourself a good FPS game like CoD4, and buy this monitor...then come back to us and thank us for turning you on to it.
dude, black fri is comming...get it and enjoy.

mica

[d94]

I played WoW for 3 years now...just stoped for the sec time, as I'm totaly burned out. maybe playing as main tank for my raid guild had something to do with this. lol
anyway, I have not tested WoW with a wide screen. but I do know there is a website dedicated to all games for wide screen use. I remember seeing something about playing WoW...and while it might not be suported, if not, they will have a fix for it. I just wish I wasn't on my new rig, as I don't have a link...and can't remember the name of the web site.


mica

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/ :santa:

[Krusty]

I played WoW for 3 years now...just stoped for the sec time, as I'm totaly burned out. maybe playing as main tank for my raid guild had something to do with this. lol
anyway, I have not tested WoW with a wide screen. but I do know there is a website dedicated to all games for wide screen use. I remember seeing something about playing WoW...and while it might not be suported, if not, they will have a fix for it. I just wish I wasn't on my new rig, as I don't have a link...and can't remember the name of the web site.


mica

I played Warcraft 3, not WoW. WoW supports pretty much all widescreen resolutions, so you'll be fine playing it at 1920x1200. You can even use a 30" widescreen if you really wanted to.

[micamica1217]

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/ :santa:

big thx bro

mica

[klear]

damnet, this sale ended today didn't it ... ?

[Bender]

Don't worry this deal comes around again and again.

damnet, this sale ended today didn't it ... ?

[klear]

Long time no see, Bender :) Actually I was able to snag the $299 price online in hopes that it will come sometime next week. The website gave no real indication of when it would be to my door.

I'm just curious about OfficeMax's exchange policy-- would I literally be allowed to take this monitor to my local offcemax and select a july model(even though I purchased online)? hopefully it is still feasible to even get the july model :confused:

I'll be posting pictures when it gets here, I've currently got 2 19'' Samsung 940b's.. hoping to sit this one next to one of those.

[kamita]

It should be no problem if you return an online purchase to the store, although it does hurt that particular stores sales numbers for the day, just make sure you have your delivery invoice within 2 weeks of delivery(maybe purchase?), and the fact that your doing an exchange should make it less of a hassle as opposed to a straight return. Looking at the models they have in stock is once again a hassle for the employee's but it also shouldn't be a problem since none of the monitors are air sealed or overly taped up so they could easily still sell them if opened.

I looked at my monitor and I have 1 dead pixel in the bottom right quadrant it's only really noticeable when the monitor is powering up but I'll do plenty of tinkering with it today when I get out of work. I know it's a matter of opinion but is 1 dead pixel acceptable for current LCD monitor production? Or am I being overly picky thinking about exchanging it in the hopes that my next one is 100%?

[aaronjb]

the soyo does 16:10 and 4:3, sadly not 1:1.
but you would know that after seeing it against the dell, gateway, and the benq, side by side.

1:1 pixel mapping means that the display can accept and input lower than the display's native resolution and not scale the input at all. For example, 800x600 input would be displayed in an 800x600 box in the middle of the display, without any scaling or stretching. It's related to aspect ratio, but only incidentally.

look, you realy need to get yourself a good FPS game like CoD4, and buy this monitor...then come back to us and thank us for turning you on to it.
dude, black fri is comming...get it and enjoy.

mica

When these displays are on fire sale again, I'm going to pick one up and compare with the tools I have.

[stereo555]

I'm just curious about OfficeMax's exchange policy-- would I literally be allowed to take this monitor to my local offcemax and select a july model(even though I purchased online)? hopefully it is still feasible to even get the july model :confused:



Yes , you can exchange it "instore" . My brother purchased online and did an instore exchange with no hassle what-so-ever. A July or Sept production date should result in the same quality unit , as comparing the two (my bro's/Sept to my/July) resulted in the exact same hassle free setup with the same colors/settings/etc ; with a lowering of of the brightness setting to 35 was about the only adjustment needed for both (*eh , with a possible 1-2% reduction in gamma depending on your personal color taste) . ;)

[d94]

1:1 pixel mapping means that the display can accept and input lower than the display's native resolution and not scale the input at all. For example, 800x600 input would be displayed in an 800x600 box in the middle of the display, without any scaling or stretching. It's related to aspect ratio, but only incidentally.



When these displays are on fire sale again, I'm going to pick one up and compare with the tools I have.

when i hooked up mine at work it ran 1:1 till i adjust the rez..dunno how i got it to do 1:1 tho

[dj_2004]

1:1 pixel mapping means that the display can accept and input lower than the display's native resolution and not scale the input at all. For example, 800x600 input would be displayed in an 800x600 box in the middle of the display, without any scaling or stretching. It's related to aspect ratio, but only incidentally.


Mine does 1920x1080 at 1:1 using my ATI 9800. I did not play with the nvidia drivers to enable the 1:1 setting which I believe is necessary, IIRC. I will once EVGA finally sends my motherboard back, which is beginning to test my patience with how long it is taking.

[d94]

Mine does 1920x1080 at 1:1 using my ATI 9800. I did not play with the nvidia drivers to enable the 1:1 setting which I believe is necessary, IIRC. I will once EVGA finally sends my motherboard back, which is beginning to test my patience with how long it is taking.

well i didnt do native rez @ work ~ 1440x900

[micamica1217]

1:1 pixel mapping means that the display can accept and input lower than the display's native resolution and not scale the input at all. For example, 800x600 input would be displayed in an 800x600 box in the middle of the display, without any scaling or stretching. It's related to aspect ratio, but only incidentally.

I know what 1:1 mapping is...that's why I told you, NO it doesn't do it natively.
now if your card can overide that, like the nvidia cards do, then you don't need it natively.



When these displays are on fire sale again, I'm going to pick one up and compare with the tools I have.

again, I thought you saw it side by side against the dell, gateway, and benq...???
anyway, you'll be suprised at how good it is for the money. black friday is just around the corner...enjoy.

mica

[klear]

I just picked this up, they allowed me to purchase it today for the sale price of $299, I got the 2007.09 no dead pixels or any defects i can see at all. It's sitting next to a Samsung 940b '19'' I almost feel like it is useless.

http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo24.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo242.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo243.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo244.JPG

[d94]

I just picked this up, they allowed me to purchase it today for the sale price of $299, I got the 2007.09 no dead pixels or any defects i can see at all. It's sitting next to a Samsung 940b '19'' I almost feel like it is useless.

http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo24.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo242.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo243.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~smklear/soyo244.JPG

u feel like whats useless? the soyo or the sammy :D

[dj_2004]

u feel like whats useless? the soyo or the sammy :D

I'm guessing the Samsung. ;)

[klear]

I'm guessing the Samsung. ;)

qft

[aaronjb]

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[jason4207]

Mine does 1920x1080 at 1:1 using my ATI 9800. I did not play with the nvidia drivers to enable the 1:1 setting which I believe is necessary, IIRC. I will once EVGA finally sends my motherboard back, which is beginning to test my patience with how long it is taking.

What happens when you just set your rez to 1920x1200, and play a 1080p movie? Does it fill the whole screen, or does it leave black bars? You seem adamant to send a 1920x1080 image to the screen, but why can't you just let the video card send a 1920x1200 image and let the video player software put the black bars on the screen?

I ask b/c when I watch a movie on my 4:3 monitor the black bars are there. I don't have adjust the rez of my monitor to accommodate the widescreen source. The video player software does that automatically (well you may have to adjust some setting) to preserve the proper aspect ratio.

[dj_2004]

What happens when you just set your rez to 1920x1200, and play a 1080p movie? Does it fill the whole screen, or does it leave black bars? You seem adamant to send a 1920x1080 image to the screen, but why can't you just let the video card send a 1920x1200 image and let the video player software put the black bars on the screen?

I ask b/c when I watch a movie on my 4:3 monitor the black bars are there. I don't have adjust the rez of my monitor to accommodate the widescreen source. The video player software does that automatically (well you may have to adjust some setting) to preserve the proper aspect ratio.

Since my main computer is down that holds all my files, I cannot test. I use MPC which I am sure has an option for AR somewhere.

[maelstromracing]

Let's just leave it at this:
It's not the best 24" Monitor out there
It is missing some features on more expensive monitors.
It has a great picture, but not for the uber picker and ultra-uber-1137-hardcore gamers
and it is one hell of a deal!

Anyone disagree? I love mine!

[Godfather1138]

I love mine, and the 30+ gamers that saw it at the LAN party this weekend agreed.

[klear]

games are great on it.

[Monque]

I love mine, and the 30+ gamers that saw it at the LAN party this weekend agreed.
They agreed that you loved it? :p

[Mekks]

looks tempting

[meksyk]

Guys, Would my ati X800pro be enough to run the resolution of this monitor, or should I get a 22"?

[Pinky]

Guys, Would my ati X800pro be enough to run the resolution of this monitor, or should I get a 22"?

Depends what games you intend on playing, at what resolutions, and how well the LCD scales at those resolutions. In your case the smaller the panel/resolution the better, but if the larger LCD costs the same and scales to lower resolutions with minimal distrortion then obviously get the larger panel.

[Godfather1138]

They agreed that you loved it? :p

They agreed it was worth the money, and performed better than expected.

[maelstromracing]

Guys, Would my ati X800pro be enough to run the resolution of this monitor, or should I get a 22"?

Runs fine at 1900X1200 on my x800GTO.

[meksyk]

Runs fine at 1900X1200 on my x800GTO.

Thanks for the information, if it lags, I'll try to raise the memory speed to match a GTO

[BossBorot]

it can run the native res for desktop use no problem however most likely you cant run native res for most modern games.

[maelstromracing]

it can run the native res for desktop use no problem however most likely you cant run native res for most modern games.


If you consider COD4 or Quake Wars Modern games, then it will work just fine. I tried it with the X800GTO on a Skt 754 Athlon 3200, 1GB of ram and it has zero issues lagging.

[Krusty]

If you consider COD4 or Quake Wars Modern games, then it will work just fine. I tried it with the X800GTO on a Skt 754 Athlon 3200, 1GB of ram and it has zero issues lagging.

I think that depends on what you consider to be acceptable. When I hooked this monitor up, in order to get decent (average of 40) fps in Team Fortress 2, i had to turn every setting on low, turn off AA/AF, and turn off HDR. This was on a 7900GS, Athlon 64 FX60, and 2GB DDR500.

I opted to run the game at 1680x1050 instead.

[blackjackel]

I'm quoting someone from a different post:

Office Depot is up:

http://www.blackfday.com/blackfday.com-officedepot.pdf

Acer 24" 19x12 $280 (after $90 MIR) WITH HDCP:

http://www.officedepot.com/textSearch.do?uniqueSearchFlag=true&Ntt=599355&x=22&y=11

This may be worth the extra $30 (and MIR) over the Office Max BF deal on the Soyo 24" with no HDCP. I don't know the panel specs, though.

Wondering what you guys thought about this....

From what I can compare, the acer has a 5ms response time as opposed to 6ms... a contrast ratio of 3000:1 as opposed to 1000:1, and a 3 year warrenty as opposed to 1 year.

[d94]

should i return my max protection care crap or keep it?

[dj_2004]

I'm quoting someone from a different post:



Wondering what you guys thought about this....

From what I can compare, the acer has a 5ms response time as opposed to 6ms... a contrast ratio of 3000:1 as opposed to 1000:1, and a 3 year warrenty as opposed to 1 year.

Depends if it is a TN panel. If so, you must ask yourself if sacrificing better colors and viewing angles for a more reliable brand is worth it.

[Krusty]

I'm quoting someone from a different post:



Wondering what you guys thought about this....

From what I can compare, the acer has a 5ms response time as opposed to 6ms... a contrast ratio of 3000:1 as opposed to 1000:1, and a 3 year warrenty as opposed to 1 year.

I wouldn't get it. My boss at work "upgraded" his work monitor from a 20" Dell to a 24" Acer. The reason for this is that they bought one to give to artists to try out, who hated it with a passion. My boss, who is just an IT guy, hates the monitor and wants to switch back to his old 20" Dell. From what I have heard, the color is simply horrible.

[blackjackel]

I wouldn't get it. My boss at work "upgraded" his work monitor from a 20" Dell to a 24" Acer. The reason for this is that they bought one to give to artists to try out, who hated it with a passion. My boss, who is just an IT guy, hates the monitor and wants to switch back to his old 20" Dell. From what I have heard, the color is simply horrible.

well it might not be this exact acer model.... could you find out which model it was?

[Krusty]

well it might not be this exact acer model.... could you find out which model it was?

Not in time. I'm out all next week taking care of the wife since she just had surgery.

[Sir. BOBSONATOR]

Man i love this tv so much

Running COD4, Maxed out 1920x1200 (no AA) and smooth gameplay 40+ FPS

[mbigna]

FYI (as if any of you don't already know...) The Soyo 24" LCD is on sale at Office Max for $250 [NO REBATE!] UNTIL Saturday, 11/24/2007. I picked mine up at the local OM at 10 am this morning and they still had 7 left in stock. The one they had on display was being driven with some video on a splitter and the image looked crappy (all displays run off of those splitters--especially when they aren't being driven at their native resolutions look terrible). However, they do have a 14 return policy so I wasn't too worried.

All I can say is that I'm very happy with this monitor. No dead or stuck pixels and I've had to adjust the brightness and contrast DOWN so I don't blind myself. I'm running at native resolution with a 6800 GT OC, which struggles a bit (but still very playable UT2004) but this monitor will eventually be matched with a 8800GT, so I don't forsee any problems there. I'm pleased with the image quality, but WOW--this much screen real estate is a true treat (I have an Envision 20" 1600 x 1200 LCD as well--it feels so puny now).

Also, I had called the manager the day before Thanksgiving and asked if I could use my MaxPerks coupon and he said no. However, when I checked out, I handed the clerk my $15 off $75 (I sure wish I could have found one of those $50 off $250 ones!) and she scanned it in with no problem. So, I was able to cover a bit more than my taxes--all in all a pretty good deal at $300 turned into a very nice deal at $235 + tax!

[blackjackel]

I got mine on blackfriday for 250... I don't know why everyone is so happy with it, sure the colors are great and the monitor is clear and all but every once in a while when i alt-tab out of games I get artifacting as if I overclocked the Video card core too high.... thing is everything is running stock speeds and I have it running side by side with my other monitor and the other monitor dosent do it...

I would put a screenshot up but the artifacts dont show when I printscreen.

Does anyone else have problems when alt tabbing? from 800x600 resolution games to the full resolution of the monitor?

[micamica1217]

Does anyone else have problems when alt tabbing? from 800x600 resolution games to the full resolution of the monitor?

you play games at 800x600?
I think you need a new vid card bro...just my 2 cents

mica

[blackjackel]

you play games at 800x600?
I think you need a new vid card bro...just my 2 cents

mica

you think?

[M Diddy]

Back from the dead..... :D

Just picked up one of these puppies at OM for 317.00 out the door and so far, all is well! :D No dead pixel's, lines, or anything negative. Build date on mine is 12.2007 so it's so far so good! :D

One question though... I noticed Soyo doesn't have any drivers on their site for this thing. I hate to use windows default display drivers. Is there any place I can pick some up????

[shadowdr]

Just saw this posting and had allready got one before from another post.
I think it is a great monitor, bautifull colors and no ghosting at all that I can see. Even the red square leaves no trail except when it first takes off. I am only running a 7900gt but bf2 looks fine with it's max resoloution. The date is 11-07 but it does have one stuck pixel. It would not even be noticable if it wasn't stuck green. I didn't adjust at all, just pluged it up and reset resoloution. I could not be happier with it.

[mbigna]

Back from the dead..... :D

Just picked up one of these puppies at OM for 317.00 out the door and so far, all is well! :D No dead pixel's, lines, or anything negative. Build date on mine is 12.2007 so it's so far so good! :D

One question though... I noticed Soyo doesn't have any drivers on their site for this thing. I hate to use windows default display drivers. Is there any place I can pick some up????

This question seems to be part of an ongoing undercurrent of misunderstanding with monitors. Monitors don't usually require their own drivers. Also, problems like stuttering or artifacting are indicative of problems related to the video card, not the monitor.

Even in the past, before monitors reported their resolutions and timings to the video card, one had to get the correct drivers for the video card in order to set the resolution(s) and refresh rate(s) for the particular monitor you were using. Of course, these days with plug-and-play monitors, video cards know what resolutions and refresh rates a monitor runs at as soon as it is plugged in to the video card.

[M Diddy]

This question seems to be part of an ongoing undercurrent of misunderstanding with monitors. Monitors don't usually require their own drivers. Also, problems like stuttering or artifacting are indicative of problems related to the video card, not the monitor.

Even in the past, before monitors reported their resolutions and timings to the video card, one had to get the correct drivers for the video card in order to set the resolution(s) and refresh rate(s) for the particular monitor you were using. Of course, these days with plug-and-play monitors, video cards know what resolutions and refresh rates a monitor runs at as soon as it is plugged in to the video card.

Interesting.. I've always been a stickler for having the proper drivers for everything so I just as much would like to have one for the monitor. If, however, you say it does not require a driver, then I'll leave well enough alone. :D

[ratbuddy]

Interesting.. I've always been a stickler for having the proper drivers for everything so I just as much would like to have one for the monitor. If, however, you say it does not require a driver, then I'll leave well enough alone. :D

Ugh. Monitors and mouses (mice?) are 2 things you don't want to install aftermarket drivers for.