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I have a workstation build I have to put together next week and was woundering if there is someone like Batboy, Gautam, AC, etc is around that can verify a build to be compatible?
Or if there would be something else I should change around on the build.
And yes this is going to be a 4gb, 8800, 3.0ghz quad build...
I can send whomever a p.m. of the build...
satandole666
10-10-07, 11:21 PM
What do you mean by compatible?
I'm not a pro, but I have no clue what you are asking for.
Are you talking about this processor?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026
If so, unless you are going to be doing extreme cooling and need the unlocked multi it's not worth it. You would be better off saving the money and going with a Q6600.
Yes and this isn't for me. As per clients request... I just need someone to check what I have set-up for safety measures... and let me know if there is a board or ram that will do better with the cpu.....
via IM or PM...
Why not post it here? If for any reason not, my pm box is open...at least for a couple of days more at this rate. :p
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Tyranos
10-10-07, 11:33 PM
Pm me if you'd like.
Is 2x2gb a better option so you can go 4x2gb later? instead of 4x1gb
This build will be a workstation build for bentley software apps...
Few things I would change.
motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219
psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
Find out if he really needs that CPU. Like I said, it's kind of a waste of money unless you want to run extreme cooling and need the unlocked multi. Something like the Q6600 is a quarter of the price and will be plenty capable of OCing. The new G0 Q6600s have been really nice.
cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
White_Pawn
10-10-07, 11:40 PM
Going 4 x 1gigs of ram is quite a bit cheaper.
No point getting the extreme edition cpu at this point. Just get a G0 Q6600 and it will oc to 3.6ghz.
That mobo is really expensive, you could step down to a Gigabyte DS3R/ abit ip35pro and save quite a bit of money there as well.
Get a corsair 620HX from clubit for PSU. that will also save you some money.
Is the raptor your only drive? I'd suggest getting a larger 500gig drive for storage.
With all the money you can save from my above suggestions, you can buy some better cooling or add another hard drive.
White_Pawn
10-10-07, 11:41 PM
Few things I would change.
motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219
psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
Find out if he really needs that CPU. Like I said, it's kind of a waste of money unless you want to run extreme cooling and need the unlocked multi. Something like the Q6600 is a quarter of the price and will be plenty capable of OCing. The new G0 Q6600s have been really nice.
cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
the corsair PSUS are quite a bit cheaper at clubit.
+1 for any X38 mobo.
The psu isn't enough IMO
and as for the CPU I already stated. I have no problem going with something lower but this rig isn't going to be overclocked much.
thank's for the mobo tip I guess x38 is better>?
Y do you choice the 520 corsair over the 700 ocz?
Going 4 x 1gigs of ram is quite a bit cheaper.
No point getting the extreme edition cpu at this point. Just get a G0 Q6600 and it will oc to 3.6ghz.
That mobo is really expensive, you could step down to a Gigabyte DS3R/ abit ip35pro and save quite a bit of money there as well.
Get a corsair 620HX from clubit for PSU. that will also save you some money.
Is the raptor your only drive? I'd suggest getting a larger 500gig drive for storage.
With all the money you can save from my above suggestions, you can buy some better cooling or add another hard drive.
No need for more the 50gb? so Y a 500?
It's not getting max OCed I promise:D
White_Pawn
10-10-07, 11:44 PM
The psu isn't enough IMO
and as for the CPU I already stated. I have no problem going with something lower but this rig isn't going to be overclocked much.
thank's for the mobo tip I guess x38 is better>?
Y do you choice the 520 corsair over the 700 ocz?
Get the 620HX, it will be enough power for your rig. These corsair psus are higher quality than the older 700watt OCZ PSU.
X38 > P35. It is the new and improved chip set with fully functional 2x x16 lanes for crossfire, along with pci-e 2.0 and some other neat goodies.
I know they are cheaper at ClubIT. However, it seems like he was ordering everything from one site and wanted to keep it that way.
The OCZ has a bad ripple when the +12v rail is under heavy load. The Corsair is not only cheaper but more stable. The 520 would be fine but you could step it up to the 620, I'm sure.
X38 is the newest chipset and carries a bunch of goodies like the full 16x PCIe slots.
It's not getting max OCed I promise:D
Then the QX6850 is definitely a waste of money.
There's plenty that needs changing IMHO. First of all, a QX6850 is not a good buy at this point in time. In only about a month now, they'll be completely eclipsed by the QX9650 which will be available at about the same price point.
The motherboard is a DDR3 motherboard, yet the ram is DDR2. DDR3 is marginally faster for a way larger price premium. I don't believe its worthwhile, but if you have to be the fastest kid on the block, then its the ticket.
The motherboard is technically already obsolete with the X38 boards having just arrived yesterday and today.
The video card...if its necessary, so be it, but better stuff will be out very soon as well. (Within a month)
PSU I would change to a corsair 620hx.
Cool thank's updated mobo and psu is the ram going to be a big factor 2x2gb over 4x1gb performance or stability wise?
I would go with 2x2GB just because he will have more slots left over for more memory later.
thanks all.....
will the x38 work with the ram above?
changed it around what about now? and no one has spoke on memory what about corsair over ocz???
No, the P5K3 you picked earlier is DDR3. The X38 I linked to is DDR2.
BTW for those of you woundering Y this was the build from 4-6 months ago.
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Will the 6850 be compatible as far as FSB with the ram or do I need 1066 ram?
sry for being a noob///
Update of order/
Buying a QX6850 right now would be like taking a lighter to a couple of Benjamins. :p
jason4207
10-11-07, 10:01 PM
It will definitely be compatible. The DDR2-800 will take you to 3.6GHz on the CPU. I don't know much about the 2GB sticks, but D9 DDR2-800 1GB sticks are good to at least 1000 if not 1100-1200. So, if those DDR2-800 2GB sticks are comparable then you have nothing to worry about up to at least 4.5Ghz (assuming you could get there). With the 1066 sticks you are more or less guaranteeing that your RAM will allow you the headroom to go for 4.5GHz+.
Maybe someone w/ more 2GB stick experience can chime in on what's the best OCing sticks to get.
Edit: If your not OCing then definitely just get the DDR2-800.
g14novak
10-11-07, 10:29 PM
Buying a QX6850 right now would be like taking a lighter to a couple of Benjamins. :p
Your missing the point. If its what the customer wants, its what they get. Regardless of what the builder thinks. ;)
Notice, their upgrading from a x6800. Not to big of a hop, except for it being quad core. The x6800s still go for around 800-900$...
And its not going to be overclocked, so he wants a good stock clock. What you have him set up with will do him right, unless he wants to upgrade to a 8800 Ultra. But IMO, you would also need to upgrade the psu. Maybe up to a PCP&C?
The x6800s still go for around 800-900$...
None of mine did. :(
Evilsizer
10-11-07, 10:50 PM
something i noticed that some have over looked,jon. you have 2x 2gig dimms thats 4gigs, you have a 32bit os which will only see up to 3.25-3.5 gigs.
here is windows xp 64bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116378
my thought since you said the rig wont be oced much... go for the Q6600 use a 1:1 ratio at 400fsb with the ram. either that or still go with the Q6600 oced but step it up to ddr3 board/ram. board doesnt cost much more but the ram will.
some other thoughts.... if this is a workstation why not look at/for a LGA771 dual socket ATX motherboard?
here are some to look at...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200302+1071321504+1075707618&Configurator=&Subcategory=302&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
im prolly thinking a bit different then the others... as the words that stuck out were workstation,bently apps... what kind of apps though are we talking about?
microstation, ICPR?, powercivil, etc etc
BTW there is a budget and it ant 2500 bux for one cpu tho that would be nice////
Q6600 would also be my vote. QX6850's only make sense for a very very rare few...and are priced accordingly.
"cough"
Ok so does anyone have any other factors they would like to tell me about.
Evilsizer
10-11-07, 11:22 PM
microstation, ICPR?, powercivil, etc etc
BTW there is a budget and it ant 2500 bux for one cpu tho that would be nice////
then im prolly the only one gonna say this... offer the cust upgradablity down the road... go with X38/DDR3 now,Q6600 oced to 400fsb since the sink you got is more then enough...the cost would still work out about the same since you dropped the cpu down and went 4gigs of ddr3.
at the same time jon the lga771 setup would cost much different... the motherboard still cost the same as the one your looking but then you client would have the option down the road to upgrade the single cpu or just add nother... imo for clients about it about options and maxizing the money they spend... like i said though im on a different train of thought...
lga771 setup if you did it
mobo $335
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182097
cpu quad 3ghz $1270
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117132
4gig 2x2gig FB-Dimm $269
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148118
your current cost of cpu/mobo/ram =$1510 vs LGA771 $1874... then go from the GTX to the GTS 640MB, the offset of cost would still make the finall build cost the same with LGA771 setup....
short term for the money it may not be as powerfull as with the GTX but long term he can fill up the other 4 fb dimm slots , upgrade or add another cpu...
Its still just IMO with that kind of software to go this route with a workstation.
Thank's for the info but I think that's kinda out of the ? as I think the ddr2 route is better sence he said stay a generation behind for sure :D
And I offered 64bit but he doesn't want that and I didnt knwo about the 3.3-5 thingy.....
Does the x38 take ddr2 and 3? or am I getting my apples mixed up. O wait that was a while back when i was in the other world>
Neuromancer
10-11-07, 11:31 PM
I really love the x38 boards..
but...
Since this is not for a tweaker/enthusiast but for use as a workstation...
X38 offers improved DDR3 performance and 2x16 lane PCI-e for crossfire.
The first gets negated because you are using ddr2 the econd is negated becaause you are using an nVidia card.
save the money and the hassle with immature BIOS and unknowable hardware compatability issues and stick with one of the p35 chipsets at this time.
Personally I want a maximus formula... but only because it has the fusion cooling and I intend to run ATI cards :)
But now im looking at when the skulltrail comes out so who knows :)
Why does he need a GTX for a workstation? I imagine if he needs rendering power nVidia/ATI build those expensive workstation cards for a reason....
Evilsizer
10-11-07, 11:43 PM
Thank's for the info but I think that's kinda out of the ? as I think the ddr2 route is better sence he said stay a generation behind for sure :D
well speaking the fbdimm is a gen behind FB is meant to allow the use of future ddr ic's. speaking that if the LGA771 motherboard support faster FB's in the future there is no need for a new mobo like is the case with LGA775.
And I offered 64bit but he doesn't want that and I didnt knwo about the 3.3-5 thingy.....
Does the x38 take ddr2 and 3? or am I getting my apples mixed up. O wait that was a while back when i was in the other world>
hmm well he can still use all 4gigs with in a xp 32bit but needs some os tweaking to make it happen.
a bit of background in this thread
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=530814
the post you want to read is this one.
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5286001&postcount=5
Both motherboards with P35 and X38 support DDR2/DDR3. you will see Hybrid P35's with both on the board while X38 will be either DDR2 or DDR3. if he wants you to stay a gen behind then ddr2 and PD would be in order...:eek:
*edit*
hope you see my little humor in my last comment... couldnt help it!
*edit2*
given the amount you currently have for the GPU and since he is doing cad this is a better option.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133179
core and bios are done different for CAD/REAL TIME 3D rendnering... the GTX even with all its power wouldnt stand up to one of these.
the only other options past the $400 range for cards are these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133190
White_Pawn
10-12-07, 12:02 AM
dual quads w/ 8 gigs of ram. :drool:
Thank's for all the great info....
Dapper Dan
10-12-07, 12:49 AM
havn't read EVERY post but i think maybe change the ram to Crucial Ballistix pc8500 those things are cheap and very good
muddocktor
10-12-07, 12:58 AM
I'm another one chiming up for him to stick with a P35 board for this build, for stability reasons. Everything I've read on the X38 boards reads like when the p965 boards came out last year; very immature bios revisions and problems, with no real performance benefit when using DDR2 ram. The chipset looks to be optimized for DDR3 much more than DDR2, but DDR3 is so much more expensive it's not cost effective. Stick with a good performing P35 board from Asus or Gigabyte or maybe Abit.
WarriorII
10-18-07, 01:02 PM
Stay with the OCZ memory, Crucial has some Ballistix that is going belly up -slowly. :bang head
Evilsizer
10-18-07, 01:26 PM
Stay with the OCZ memory, Crucial has some Ballistix that is going belly up -slowly. :bang head
correction... any ram with high speed micron D9's is going belly up... i lost my gskill pc2-6400 hz's after working flawless for 3months. go to boot up and nothing, one stick just died...stock or oced you might be lucky to get 3months use no problem... some have had 2 or less with out one or both just up and dieing.
deathman20
10-25-07, 04:19 PM
correction... any ram with high speed micron D9's is going belly up... i lost my gskill pc2-6400 hz's after working flawless for 3months. go to boot up and nothing, one stick just died...stock or oced you might be lucky to get 3months use no problem... some have had 2 or less with out one or both just up and dieing.
:( I've had my D9's for nearly a year, yet no issue with them hope they don't go bad on me because my Ballistics last set I had went down hill within days of buying them.
I've had mine for nearly a year and they are still going strong. Just make sure you keep them cool and there shouldn't be problems.
Evilsizer
10-25-07, 04:27 PM
well the problem seems to be cropping up with newer sets of D9's though, not all of them. you might get lucky you might not, thats what im seeing any way.
William Hung
10-26-07, 11:17 PM
Speaking from owning a QX6850, I'd ask him if he can wait for the next release. I also own a Yorkfield and it rocks over the QX6850 clock for clock. If he has to get one today, I'd get the Q6600 and with the extra 700 bucks buy a bigger monitor and a water cooling system... :)
FYI--if this client is running Bently ie. he is a professional---i highly doubt he is going to be overclocking the system,as he is looking for a stable system 24/7 for work. He is not looking for the uber1337 fast cpu,ram,gfx 3dmark06 scores guys!
Yes, we all know everyone our overclocking lovers, hence the site---but read what the OP is asking---don't just jump on the OC bandwagon.
With that said, I think what you(OP) have spec'd out will do fine. This BIM program is moderately intense in comp power...it recalculates the model on the fly as you would type in new data for it, so it will be eating cpu, ram, and gfx almost constantly. just food for thought.
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