View Full Version : HL2 E3 Or HL3?
If you did not finish HL2 E2 Its cool.
Will not spoil it for anybody.
You would not guess whats happens, Alex and Gorden get busy?:beer:
ouhh oh...
Nice huh?
I will say this you will like HL2 E2.
My question is, you think they will go to E3 or just go to HL3?
I think they will go HL2 E3...
they wil lgo Ep3 for sure they have it in the works already, that wil lend it for Hl2, from there after Ep they move onto HL3, readup on at over at wiki :) very handy.
i agree with rozal :)
Oh Joy, there out today...:bang head
deathman20
10-12-07, 11:01 PM
EP3 will be coming out next. They've mentioned it so surely it will come hopefully a little quicker than EP2.
Wondering while they are updating this engine, if there even thinking of making a new one for HL3 if or when it comes out.
they wil lupdate this one, one mroe time for ep3, and maybe a whole new one for HL3, but heh this one is awesoem they are doing such a good job with it cant even tell its 3years ol,d newly updated hhaha looks like 2k7 to me.
Red_LightRanger
10-13-07, 12:06 AM
Oh Joy, there out today...:bang head
no need to spoil it for anyone, let people play the game and find out for themselves. No...they are not out today...you are out tonight.
Lets not bring it on......lets bring it off.
bobthemoo
10-13-07, 04:05 AM
I hope they manage to keep the story new and exciting. Otherwise HL3 will be horrible let-down to a fantastic series
I doubt they're going to build a new engine for HL3. The HL2 engine took them forever to make. I think they'll just massively update the HL2 engine and call it new. If they decide to build a new engine from scratch then get ready to wait 2-3 years.
EP3 will be coming out next. They've mentioned it so surely it will come hopefully a little quicker than EP2.
Wondering while they are updating this engine, if there even thinking of making a new one for HL3 if or when it comes out.
I heard this too that the engine is all most done.
But again thats all talk. The story line has been good and E2 open up and closed a lot of questions.
xilix I doubt they're going to build a new engine for HL3. The HL2 engine took them forever to make. I think they'll just massively update the HL2 engine and call it new. If they decide to build a new engine from scratch then get ready to wait 2-3 years.
That is a really good comment, makes you think, I would say they would not kill the momentum they have now and wait that long, but who knows.
Red_LightRanger
no need to spoil it for anyone, let people play the game and find out for themselves. No...they are not out today...you are out tonight.
Hey Red pay attention to the thread and if you have no good input to this thread then do not post it.:bang head lets not bring it on......lets bring it off.
seriously rlr, that had no point to it, regarding ep3, I could see why they would have it out so fast for x-mas, but heh, there has been no marketing for it, so I doubt it will bne ready b ythen , i say they save it for next season. it al labout money.
Red_LightRanger
10-13-07, 10:56 AM
ok zgozz, sorry for agreeing with another post that slammed you. I am currently playing ep2 and well i didnt want to know what happens at all. Even if gord and alex do get busy.
In regards to the post, I am certainly hoping that it will be just E3. After waiting so long for hl2 to come out I dont think I could wait that long again for HL3. But if I had to wait that long, I would be totally worth it if its anything like hl2 when it first came out.
>HyperlogiK<
10-14-07, 12:14 PM
EP3 will be coming out next. They've mentioned it so surely it will come hopefully a little quicker than EP2.
Wondering while they are updating this engine, if there even thinking of making a new one for HL3 if or when it comes out.
There was a rumour suggesting that there would be no new engine releases as such, but a series of incremental updates with each new valve product. Not much (if anything) was done to the renderer in EP 1 or 2, but they are supposed to have seriously modified the physics code and better optimized it all for multithreading. Perhaps some fancy new shader and lighting code will come with the next installment.
Actually, Gabe Newell refers to the episodes as Half Life 3:
Gabe Newell
Errr... I... I think that Aftermath was almost a temporary name. I always thought of it as Episodes One through Three because that's how we planned the products out. I think people thought we'd need a name for them, and Aftermath ended up being more confusing than helpful.
Probably a better name for it would have been Half Life 3: Episode One, but these three are what we're doing as our way of taking the next step forward, but Half-Life 2 was the name we used.
From here: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65345
Shelnutt2
10-14-07, 01:47 PM
There was a rumour suggesting that there would be no new engine releases as such, but a series of incremental updates with each new valve product. Not much (if anything) was done to the renderer in EP 1 or 2, but they are supposed to have seriously modified the physics code and better optimized it all for multithreading. Perhaps some fancy new shader and lighting code will come with the next installment.
Well Lost Coast/EP1 brought HDR lighting. EP1 improved the engine some, but was mainly used for showcasing NPC's. Now EP2, we have blur effect. Hollywood physics, i.e. things can fall apart around you way more realistically on a much bigger scale. Plus anyone else notice in EP2 how the vehicles are handled much better? They really seemed to have worked on that. I wonder if 3rd party mods will use vehicles more now?
EP3 will bring more improvements, and possibly the end to level loading. I remember reading in one interview, something about that. It started with the Xbox release of HL2, in the Xbox code for the source engine they implemented a way of streaming files and content. After widespread reports of stuttering in HL2 on computers, they brought the file streaming process to the PC. I don't know if anyone's noticed but load times between levels are very short now, with the improved backend of the source engine. I'd say 10-15 second to load a level for me. In EP1 and HL2, it would take 30-45 seconds easily. EP3 might also bring DX10 support, maybe not, depends on when EP3 gets released. Valve will not build in DX10 till more people have it. The Valve Survey (http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html) currently has only 2.31% of people DX10 capable. (last update August 21st).
Also remember they build the source engine with the idea that its expanable and able to grow.
NsOmNiA91130
10-14-07, 04:03 PM
They've designed the engine to be modular so they don't have to recode the entire thing, just code what they need and check to make sure it doesn't break anything. If you compare the original Source engine to today's version, you'll see how different and optimized it is. The code updates every once in a while, it's just that Steam does it automagically.
deathman20
10-14-07, 06:21 PM
Valve with smart thinking on how to update engine code... FTW
ep2 isnt dx10 capable ? werid, ep3 will be for sure thouygh, it has to be haha by the time it finally comes out.
deathman20
10-14-07, 06:58 PM
na EP2 isn't... They added lots of phisics things and well dual core support for sure, maybe quad. So one step at a time ;)
whatever haha, it works for me, dont even have a dx10 card yet anyways, though i really love the new physics :) very sweet, i need mroe.
Immortal_Hero
10-15-07, 09:46 AM
They will do EP3 b/c they are setting on a gold mine. They are releasing short games on an engine that is basically static so they are making tons of money. All they have to do is make content. And with Steam people don't Warez so they have to buy it.
FastRedPonyCar
10-15-07, 09:51 AM
the new dynamic lighting system is the biggest improvement. I haven't checked to see if EP1 or the standard HL2 now have this but if so, YAY. Characters and bump map textures being able to cast their own soft shadows on themselves FTW. Oblivion couldn't even do that. Not very well at least.
They will do EP3 b/c they are setting on a gold mine. They are releasing short games on an engine that is basically static so they are making tons of money. All they have to do is make content. And with Steam people don't Warez so they have to buy it.
technically no, they don't have to, but we can go there here so... lets not haha.
the new dynamic lighting system is the biggest improvement. I haven't checked to see if EP1 or the standard HL2 now have this but if so, YAY. Characters and bump map textures being able to cast their own soft shadows on themselves FTW. Oblivion couldn't even do that. Not very well at least.
all source games should have everything ep2 / portal / tf2 have, so whe none game is updated they all are, havent checked my self though.
deathman20
10-15-07, 10:19 AM
all source games should have everything ep2 / portal / tf2 have, so whe none game is updated they all are, havent checked my self though.
Well I know HDR isn't shown in the original HL2 if not mistaken. I think its just an addition of EP that gets to mainly see these cool features.
Springbok
10-15-07, 11:02 AM
I don't think Valve is going to make HL3 next (after making Episode 3), they're probably sick of the Half-Life universe and I wouldn't be surprised if they're creating a new IP as we speak. I'd say they would keep doing episodic content to finish off the storyline...except that every HL game has had a cliffhanger storyline, so I doubt we will ever see the big finale that we're hoping for.
FastRedPonyCar
10-15-07, 11:20 AM
why should they end it? The HL saga puts food on Gabe's table.... a lot of food....
why should they end it? The HL saga puts food on Gabe's table.... a lot of food....
Indeed, he is a big guy haha...
deathman20
10-15-07, 11:27 AM
I don't think Valve is going to make HL3 next (after making Episode 3), they're probably sick of the Half-Life universe and I wouldn't be surprised if they're creating a new IP as we speak. I'd say they would keep doing episodic content to finish off the storyline...except that every HL game has had a cliffhanger storyline, so I doubt we will ever see the big finale that we're hoping for.
While sure it might be the case, I still doubt it. There is still a lot to tell and I'd think a HL3 is in order, with probably some eposidic content as well to that to finish up the story line.
Surely they can make a big ending, yes theres been cliff hangers in the past games but surely, that won't stop them from making a true end.
Springbok
10-15-07, 11:32 AM
Even though it's likely that they will still want to capitalize on the Half-Life franchise, I think the time is right for them to start creating other IPs. Valve have pretty much reached the top of their genre, much like Blizzard, so it would make more sense to make releases based on two or three big IPs than just the one. I guess they've got their fingers in a lot of pies now that Steam is pushing to become the #1 online distribution system, but I wouldn't be surprised if their core team is already working on something outside the HL universe, with a separate team developing for the episodic content.
Alien1099
10-15-07, 11:49 AM
This is the most confusing thread I've read in a long time. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: Well the beginning is at least.
It's always a good idea to reread your posts and make sure they are coherent before moving on so that people will understand what you are talking about.
Springbok
10-15-07, 11:57 AM
This is the most confusing thread I've read in a long time. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: Well the beginning is at least.
It's always a good idea to reread your posts and make sure they are coherent before moving on so that people will understand what you are talking about.lol I think you need to re-read the thread, it's following a pretty logical progression.
Alien1099
10-15-07, 12:18 PM
lol I think you need to re-read the thread, it's following a pretty logical progression.
What? I'm referring to the posts that aren't there, yet are quoted. Then there are the thoughts that run on and on and the poor grammar. It just all combines to make it difficult to read and understand what people are trying to say sometimes. I think that's what RLR was getting at with his post.
Of course my post will probably be viewed overly pessimistic, off topic, and will hurt somebody's feelings.
Anyway, in response to the thread: As has already been stated, according to Gabe, the HL2 Episodes when combined are Half-Life 3. They just weren't titled as such.
Immortal_Hero
10-15-07, 01:02 PM
I have to admit that Valve has been one of my favorite developers. They have made some very solid games lately. I hope they continue and don't go down the path of just selling other's games on Steam. I really hope there will be a HL3. All in all they have done a lot this year. They have produced portal, EP2, and TF2, they have made some major changes to Steam, they have updated the Source engine. Seems as if they are having a sucessful year. I bet they set back and have their CAKE and a :beer:.
I have a feeling it will be HL2 EP3. There's still so much that can be done with the HL2 universe, so there' no reason not to extend the series. Plus - people love it! (I confess I took the day off today just to play it) It will take years to come up with a complete storyline and plot for HL3.
>HyperlogiK<
10-16-07, 01:20 AM
Valve announced Episode 3 already, they said that EPs 1 & 2 were "in a trilogy...that will conclude by Christmas of 2007." However, Valve being Valve that really means Christmas 2008.
I have a feeling it will be HL2 EP3. There's still so much that can be done with the HL2 universe, so there' no reason not to extend the series. Plus - people love it! (I confess I took the day off today just to play it) It will take years to come up with a complete storyline and plot for HL3.
I agree there is so much more to go over, I like that we got to see things in this one, that you allways asked were do they come from.
I liked in HL1 we went into there world, I hope we could do that again.
And I took the day off too, to play LOL
Valve announced Episode 3 already, they said that EPs 1 & 2 were "in a trilogy...that will conclude by Christmas of 2007." However, Valve being Valve that really means Christmas 2008.
They must have the game ready, one thing is they were talking about this ship half life one, and I do not recall it.
Kuroimaho
10-16-07, 05:20 AM
I would say Episode 3 comes next hopefully won't take so long for them to make HL3 as 2 if it ever comes but I hope we get it in like 2 years after ep3 makes it 2010, another massive at least 20 hour gameplay with our crowbar wielding hero.
Ep2 was fine much better than EP1 but both of them is really really short. :-/
yeha very short they should aim for AT LEAST 5-7hrs of game play. I did like the car in PE2 though. to bad the dynamic lighting in ep2 isn't true..its like half dynamic lol, the majority of them are baked.
Has anybody got 100% or close to it on achievements
NsOmNiA91130
10-17-07, 09:24 PM
Well I know HDR isn't shown in the original HL2 if not mistaken. I think its just an addition of EP that gets to mainly see these cool features.
Actually, no. Once the Orange Box downloads subside, they'll update all of the code, maps, and lighting systems for HL2 and Episode 1. They're essentially giving us the 360's versions of the maps, and from what I've seen, it looks a lot better.
I just got done playing EP2, and I gotta say, anyone knockin' this game is just a scrooge and 1/2. The engine looks GREAT, the soundtrack is awesome, everything was done very nicely, and like always, the story and flow of gameplay is just fantastic. I <3 Valve.
here is a nice video, dont watch it if you havent played ep2
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26538.html
I'm sure we'll see a HL3, though like others I wouldn't be surprised if Valve is working on another IP. But there's a ton left to be done.
If they stop making Half-Life games before the entire story of the G-Man is exposed, I'll choke Gabe and spontaneously combust.
Actually, if you watch the video, they say Hl2 is HL2 obviously, EP 1/2/3 = HL3. So I imagine there will be something to wrap it all up either in EP3 or something afterwards. I would like to see upwards of 5-6+hrs of game play in EP3 if its the end.
Lombardi hinting there will be more after the episodes..
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=76518
also found this
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5676/ep3physxjt4.jpg
The ship supposedly contains technology developed by Aperture Science, a rival of Black Messa, which could prove dangerous if captured by the Combine, Gordons job not to let it happen.... as we know anyways...
LegolasElf
10-20-07, 01:57 AM
man i still havent even hit ep 1 i need to catch up
Kuroimaho
10-20-07, 02:08 AM
Good find, I was sure we can introduce the crowbar to some advisors in EP3, which hopefully won't lead to a conclusion.
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