Any Experience working with P3 1100/E [Archive]

Yodums

12-20-01, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by bearulez
I was just curious if anyone played around with that chip(P III 1100 / 100). It seems hard to find any info on oc'potential of that cD0 thing. Theres no one in the database yet... HOW COME?

Any News appreciated

bea:burn:

My friend deez has the chip he got to 1.325 I think ... Its excellent oc for it and maybe can go more.

Xaeryan

12-20-01, 09:41 AM

I'm running that processor, and currently it's at 1320 MHz @ 1.85 VCore perfectly stable... it can go much higher (search by user name for radadman and you'll see!), but currently my cooling is strangely inadequate... :(

deez

12-20-01, 10:59 AM

just got my chip last week but i'm having probs with my board VTT now (see my post on underclocking) but the chip will post and run windows at 124 FSB 11@1364....sandra and 3dmark 2000 benchmarks are excellent

5543 3D marks in 2000 with TNT2 card and 256 RAM

Godfodda

12-20-01, 02:04 PM

I'm also using it. 1300 is the best I can get stable, but I'm about to take it out of the Abit and try it in an AOpen.

There are no entries the the DB because we've all been waiting for it to be added. Oh look, there it is. :D

Update: stuck the CPU in the AOpen and after much trial and error, it's run stable for 5 minutes now. :D 2.0V at 120 FSB. 33C load.

Xaeryan

12-20-01, 06:23 PM

Hey! C'mon guys, there's gotta be more than just us!
PIII SL5QW - Post if you got 'em!

deez

12-21-01, 10:35 PM

think its just us and radadman running it right now

hopefully next week I'll get that capacitor swapped out on my board so I can pump it up a bit....but running slow with voltage high definitely wont hurt the OC

is it SL5QW or SLQ5W????

Xaeryan

12-22-01, 02:13 PM

is it SL5QW or SLQ5W????

SL5QW

JetMech

12-22-01, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan
I'm running that processor, and currently it's at 1320 MHz @ 1.85 VCore perfectly stable... it can go much higher (search by user name for radadman and you'll see!), but currently my cooling is strangely inadequate... :( Have you considered using a higher cfm fan. That combo in your sig would require some very good case cooling to handle a 1.8 voltage mod.

MilkPowder-2

12-22-01, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan
I'm running that processor, and currently it's at 1320 MHz @ 1.85 VCore perfectly stable... it can go much higher (search by user name for radadman and you'll see!), but currently my cooling is strangely inadequate... :(

I think you really should uninstall your HSF and clean off ASII(assuming you've been using it) off , then reapply it. Reinstall the SK-6 very..very..carefully. Installing the SK-6 is bit tricky, the usual problem is the HSF sitting leveled to the CPU. Being very slightly off level could cost you in instability. Do whatever you have to do to get that sucker perfectly leveled as possible. I used some household Felt Pads(Not the shims) you buy at Walmart, LOL. After experimenting with cooling mod, PSU tweaking, and applying Felt Pads(those with circle shape and thin little ones) gave me access to get to 1450mhz on a P3 1000E cD0 SL5QV and to be able to run 3Dmark 2001 All the way and run em again and make it through. I say it's freakin damn impressive eh eh eh...:D was not able to run Q3a for long time nor 3Dmark 2001 before I took care of this leveling problem on the SK-6. It is an outstanding cooler, it just needs more attention on the installation part with this one.

Also, if you want higher OC, then I suggest you ditch that Sunon fan and get a loud one (u know what i mean...:D ) That fan with low RPM and CFM is not going to cut it. Hope this helps. good luck man :)

deez

12-22-01, 05:25 PM

Xaeryan....i musta wrote it down wrong

also you can get a nonconductive cpu spacer for coppermine for a couple of bucks. got mine from heatsinkfactory.com when I bought the CAK 38...keeps it level

that HS weighs just over a pound

Xaeryan

12-24-01, 02:40 PM

Thanks guys, for all the suggestions...

I think the problem with my SK-6 lies in the clip, because when I use a very thin layer of ASII (the correct amount), my temperatures sky-rocket. With a big glob (bad, I know), temperatures stabilize, but very high (~45 idle). If I take the heatsink off after running a THIN layer, there is only thermal residue on the top side of where the core sits, so I think the heatsink is twisting off the core... So I got myself a non-conductive CPU shim from the coolerguys, but I haven't got a chance to install it yet - hopefully it will work!
As for the Delta fan, I'm not sure if I'm ready to put up with the noise yet... I haven't heard one in real-life yet, but I hear they are VERY loud. I leave my computer on most of the time, so this could be a problem. Oh well.
But I am getting my new case for X-Mas, although I already have it listed in my signature - this case will help temps. too, as I currently have a POS. Later guys,
Merry Christmas!

Yodums

12-24-01, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan
Thanks guys, for all the suggestions...

I think the problem with my SK-6 lies in the clip, because when I use a very thin layer of ASII (the correct amount), my temperatures sky-rocket. With a big glob (bad, I know), temperatures stabilize, but very high (~45 idle). If I take the heatsink off after running a THIN layer, there is only thermal residue on the top side of where the core sits, so I think the heatsink is twisting off the core... So I got myself a non-conductive CPU shim from the coolerguys, but I haven't got a chance to install it yet - hopefully it will work!
As for the Delta fan, I'm not sure if I'm ready to put up with the noise yet... I haven't heard one in real-life yet, but I hear they are VERY loud. I leave my computer on most of the time, so this could be a problem. Oh well.
But I am getting my new case for X-Mas, although I already have it listed in my signature - this case will help temps. too, as I currently have a POS. Later guys,
Merry Christmas!

Maybe the reason why your temps are so high is because your fan is only a sunon 23cfm which is not good enough to cool down the sk6.

You should install the shim immediatly and install the 60mm 38cfm Delta fan, or if you dont worry much about noise then the 50cfm delta is good as well :p

Xaeryan

12-24-01, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by tsunami

Maybe the reason why your temps are so high is because your fan is only a sunon 23cfm which is not good enough to cool down the sk6.

You should install the shim immediatly and install the 60mm 38cfm Delta fan, or if you dont worry much about noise then the 50cfm delta is good as well :p

Yes, I'm sure the Delta would lower my temps a few degrees, but that's not my problem... Here's an easier summary:

Generic Crap paste = ~45 C (full load)
Arctic Silver II (thin layer) = 60+ (idle in BIOS, I have to shutdown quick, as temps. keep rising!)
Arctic Silver II (thick layer) = 55+ (full load, crashes before stabilizing at a temperature)

Remember, I think the reason is because the clip is twisting the Heatsink off the core... ASII is very thin compared to my generic paste, explaining why even a thick layer of ASII doesn't work.

I hope to put the shim on and get the AS II to work properly... Then, depending on temperatures, I may consider a Delta.

funnyperson1

12-24-01, 09:45 PM

i agree with Xaeryan even with passive cooling a PIII shouldnt be having temps of 50+ with an SK6, thats just crazy...

Yodums

12-24-01, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan

Yes, I'm sure the Delta would lower my temps a few degrees, but that's not my problem... Here's an easier summary:

Generic Crap paste = ~45 C (full load)
Arctic Silver II (thin layer) = 60+ (idle in BIOS, I have to shutdown quick, as temps. keep rising!)
Arctic Silver II (thick layer) = 55+ (full load, crashes before stabilizing at a temperature)

Remember, I think the reason is because the clip is twisting the Heatsink off the core... ASII is very thin compared to my generic paste, explaining why even a thick layer of ASII doesn't work.

I hope to put the shim on and get the AS II to work properly... Then, depending on temperatures, I may consider a Delta.

Was your heatsink able to move around when it was mounted?

Xaeryan

12-25-01, 08:23 PM

Was your heatsink able to move around when it was mounted?

Yep! :( It didn't seem to be able to twist, but it was able to slide around alot... (keep in mind, even though it wouldn't twist, it could still be mounted in a twisted position - just very tightly secured. I'm hoping this is the case).

Guys, once again, ya's are great and thanks for all the suggestions. This project has been a long time in the making, because I have never had much free time, but tomorrow night I will give all these suggestions a try and I'll let you guys know what happens...

Thanks again!

radadman

12-26-01, 04:43 PM

Here is what I observed with my 1100e, e-mail me if you want the xls file.

volt
fsb mult GHz divider agp pci dram boot
100 11 1.10 1/3 66.7 33.3 133 1.35
103 11 1.13 1/3 68.7 34.3 137 1.35
108 11 1.19 1/3 72.0 36.0 144 1.45
111 11 1.22 1/3 74.0 37.0 148 1.5
112 11 1.23 1/3 74.7 37.3 149 1.55
115 11 1.27 1/3 76.7 38.3 153 1.55
117 11 1.29 1/3 78.0 39.0 156 1.65
124 11 1.36 1/4 62.0 31.0 124 1.8
125 11 1.38 1/4 62.5 31.3 125 1.85
126 11 1.39 1/4 63.0 31.5 126 1.85
127 11 1.40 1/4 63.5 31.8 127 1.85
128 11 1.41 1/4 64.0 32.0 128 1.9
129 11 1.42 1/4 64.5 32.3 129 1.95
130 11 1.43 1/4 65.0 32.5 130 1.95
131 11 1.44 1/4 65.5 32.8 131 1.95
132 11 1.45 1/4 66.0 33.0 132 2
133 11 1.46 1/4 66.5 33.3 133 2.05

Godfodda

12-26-01, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by radadman
Here is what I observed with my 1100e, e-mail me if you want the xls file.

Whoa, whoa. What's this sub 1.8 voltage stuff? You sure that wasn't a Celly-T? Or was it a P3-T? Mine defaults to 1.75. Am I running voltage overkill here?

deez

12-26-01, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan

Yes, I'm sure the Delta would lower my temps a few degrees, but that's not my problem... Here's an easier summary:

Generic Crap paste = ~45 C (full load)
Arctic Silver II (thin layer) = 60+ (idle in BIOS, I have to shutdown quick, as temps. keep rising!)
Arctic Silver II (thick layer) = 55+ (full load, crashes before stabilizing at a temperature)

Remember, I think the reason is because the clip is twisting the Heatsink off the core... ASII is very thin compared to my generic paste, explaining why even a thick layer of ASII doesn't work.

I hope to put the shim on and get the AS II to work properly... Then, depending on temperatures, I may consider a Delta.

I've always used radio shack silicone heat sink compound and its worked great for me...they say the ASII needs to burn-in for 2 days I think

MilkPowder-2

12-26-01, 11:31 PM

Whoa, whoa. What's this sub 1.8 voltage stuff? You sure that wasn't a Celly-T? Or was it a P3-T? Mine defaults to 1.75. Am I running voltage overkill here?

Nah cause all those are at 11x multiplier as shown. Hmm.. Looks like he's able to boot at default speed@ that low Vcore.. but to be able to boot though. I don't think he could run it at that voltage to be fully stable under full load. Would not be idea to run it at that voltage for normal use.

I don't think your current Vcore is overkill @ yur current OC. If you get some 80- 100mm Delta 80+cfm case fan and replace your HSF to something like Thermalright SK-6 or Dynatron
CD1206BM-0. Reaching 1.4Ghz or surpassing would be easy.. That should shove it. :p

Xaeryan

12-27-01, 04:03 PM

Well guys, I finally got my ASII to work properly... so far not much of a difference from the generic crap. Oh well. It worked after I did the following:

1.) Used the non-conductive CPU shim (Coolerguys.com)
2.) Used slightly more than recommended Arctic Silver II
3.) Pay special attention to the direction the SK-6 is supposed to go (one side has larger overhangs), and I moved the heatsink as far to the left (looking at it from overhead) on the clip as it would go... this was the one that fixed it, the clip is lopsided, and if you install the heatsink centered in the clip, it puts uneven pressure on the CPU.

radadman

12-27-01, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by MilkPowder-2

Nah cause all those are at 11x multiplier as shown. Hmm.. Looks like he's able to boot at default speed@ that low Vcore.. but to be able to boot though. I don't think he could run it at that voltage to be fully stable under full load. Would not be idea to run it at that voltage for normal use.

I don't think your current Vcore is overkill @ yur current OC. If you get some 80- 100mm Delta 80+cfm case fan and replace your HSF to something like Thermalright SK-6 or Dynatron
CD1206BM-0. Reaching 1.4Ghz or surpassing would be easy.. That should shove it. :p

100% stable at 1.35v@1100/100! max temp 30c under full load. I would call 150 loops of sandra burn-in stable. Actually look at what the chip says:

PIII sl5qw
q121a501-343
00001 46462 7
10/18/01

you guys tell me what it is?

Godfodda

12-27-01, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by radadman

PIII sl5qw
q121a501-343
00001 46462 7
10/18/01

you guys tell me what it is?

SL5QW, same as mine. Damn. I'm gonna have to play with this thing to get it to do what I want, I guess. Either that or try out the AOpen's insane voltage adjustment (up to 3.5 :eek: ).

MilkPowder-2

12-27-01, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Xaeryan
Well guys, I finally got my ASII to work properly... so far not much of a difference from the generic crap. Oh well. It worked after I did the following:

1.) Used the non-conductive CPU shim (Coolerguys.com)
2.) Used slightly more than recommended Arctic Silver II
3.) Pay special attention to the direction the SK-6 is supposed to go (one side has larger overhangs), and I moved the heatsink as far to the left (looking at it from overhead) on the clip as it would go... this was the one that fixed it, the clip is lopsided, and if you install the heatsink centered in the clip, it puts uneven pressure on the CPU.

Option #3 you posted is... very..very important. Yes.. you did it right. Moving the SK6 far to the left as you said is correct. That's how it should be done with SK6 and keeping the side of the CPU packaging and the base of the SK6 being perfectly parallel all 4 sides. I used the felt-tip method to level this and is now making very good contact on the CPU n SK6. Im glad you've got that taken care of. :)

Yodums

12-27-01, 04:39 PM

Using option number one and three would defintely help..

MilkPowder-2

12-27-01, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by radadman

100% stable at 1.35v@1100/100! max temp 30c under full load. I would call 150 loops of sandra burn-in stable. Actually look at what the chip says:

PIII sl5qw
q121a501-343
00001 46462 7
10/18/01

you guys tell me what it is?

Ok then.. I was wrong. well then that's good! Glad for ya :D

radadman

12-27-01, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Godfodda

Whoa, whoa. What's this sub 1.8 voltage stuff? You sure that wasn't a Celly-T? Or was it a P3-T? Mine defaults to 1.75. Am I running voltage overkill here?

Good point Godfodda!
After looking at cpu scores from several sites, the PIII/1000/133 just does not scale up to the 1100e. And I know the many 700e's I had would never even boot at 1.35v. And I'd bet it would boot even lower if my mobo could go under 1.35v. So I'm asking is the the 1100/e the lost PIII cu-t or what? if it is not then what happened to the crossover PIII chip named cu-t? is it the 100 fsb celery-t? or is it in fact the 1100e without the heat speader?
I think the 1100e's are the bad batches of tutalatins that couldn't hold the high fsb's. so intel leaves off the heat speader and sells em for less, yes?

Yodums

12-27-01, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by radadman

Good point Godfodda!
After looking at cpu scores from several sites, the PIII/1000/133 just does not scale up to the 1100e. And I know the many 700e's I had would never even boot at 1.35v. And I'd bet it would boot even lower if my mobo could go under 1.35v. So I'm asking is the the 1100/e the lost PIII cu-t or what? if it is not then what happened to the crossover PIII chip named cu-t? is it the 100 fsb celery-t? or is it in fact the 1100e without the heat speader?
I think the 1100e's are the bad batches of tutalatins that couldn't hold the high fsb's. so intel leaves off the heat speader and sells em for less, yes?

The 1100E's are Coppermine Cored.
IHS weren't placed on them since they aren't Tualatin's with the new core to prevent core from damaging.

The P3-T you are talking about is the P3 1.13 Tualatin which begins at 1.13gig obviously.

I dont know what you mean by holding the high FSB since there's also a EB version as well.

deez

12-27-01, 08:02 PM

no 1100EB as far as I know

Xaeryan

12-28-01, 12:40 AM

Holy crap! I just finished putting everything into my new case (Antec SX1030B), and what a difference!
Here's the before and after temperatures:

Old Case (Casedge LX734A)
----------------------------------
Case 27
CPU Idle 34
CPU Load 47

New Case
----------------------------------
Case 24
CPU Idle 29
CPU Load 41

And I only have 3 of the 4 fans installed!
I wasn't expecting such a difference! Nice! I recommend this case.

deez

12-28-01, 01:54 AM

I like my Antec a lot too

looking at your sig Xaeryan: I think I'll bump the chip up another notch before bed and see if its still stable @ 1.75v

Xaeryan

12-28-01, 01:04 PM

My chip was sorta strange... it ran stock voltage 100% stable up to 1300 MHz, but to get from 1300 to 1320 required two bumps in voltage. Post your results, I wanna see how my chip compares.

deez

12-29-01, 12:05 PM

success @ 1342 1.75v idle temp is 29C and load temp is 39C

have not tried any higher yet...I wanna pull my NIC and modem for testing so I dont fry them

No boot at 133FSB

Xaeryan

12-29-01, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by deez
have not tried any higher yet...I wanna pull my NIC and modem for testing so I dont fry them

why do you need to pull them? With the TUSL2 you won't have any problems with them, especially at the low FSB that you're running at (~124). If it was a 133 FSB chip that you were overclocking to say ~160, then I would pull them - but at 124 the PCI clock is only running at 62 (the divider is 1/2), which is actually under spec (66). I've had my modem and network card (and sound card) at 80 MHz without a problem.
Don't worry, you won't fry them.:cool: