Making money off RoadRunner???

[BinarySuperman]

K i finally installed Win2k pro and i gotta say i love it, k what i wanna do is buy the linksys wireless router and a few pci lan cards and sell my internet to my neighbors, my question is will the walls bother the signal??

[flounder43]

I am sure that doing that would be a violation of your service agreement. It wouldn't be worth it.

[Christoph]

The wiring issues wouldn't be any different than if you ran a cable through your own wall, but those ethical considerations could get nasty. You'd have a great solution if only it weren't totally illegal.
IMVHO, absolutely not worth the risk of losing your ISP and having a bunch of your neighbors POed at you. The choice is yours, though.
May you do the right thing.

[Maddman]

There are many things that the isp will overlook, That isn't one of them. They take a dim view of reselling their service to people that could potentially be their customers.

[Gresyth]

Go ahead.
Do it.
You might look good in a striped suit and steel bracelets.

[rugby]

Does prison have internet access?

[blebs99]

Originally posted by rugby
Does prison have internet access?
Don't know about that, but they do have Cable T.V.! :eh?:

[Warlord2]

not worth it however I dont believe you would ever be cout if you do this


NOTE
Im ****ed at rr right now and will do anything to kill the company:D

[BinarySuperman]

k how about i provide the service to friends in my building that i can trust, so that way RR can never know im sharing the service, i can just say i havea wireless network just too share files and play games using direct connect, how can i possibly get cought??? i really need to know, cause i would love to recieve a monthly check of 400 bucks(20 bucks each person) please help me out on this subject.

[Gresyth]

Do the terms 'Morales' and 'Conscience' mean anything to you?

[flounder43]

Originally posted by BinarySuperman
k how about i provide the service to friends in my building that i can trust, so that way RR can never know im sharing the service, i can just say i havea wireless network just too share files and play games using direct connect, how can i possibly get cought??? i really need to know, cause i would love to recieve a monthly check of 400 bucks(20 bucks each person) please help me out on this subject.

I read your former post about you friends stealing from Best Buy...I am sorry but I must say...You need to re-adjust you focus. There are legitimate ways to make money, like working a job...

Buck up, be honest. You will thank me later.

[Maddman]

Originally posted by BinarySuperman
k how about i provide the service to friends in my building that i can trust, so that way RR can never know im sharing the service, i can just say i havea wireless network just too share files and play games using direct connect, how can i possibly get cought??? i really need to know, cause i would love to recieve a monthly check of 400 bucks(20 bucks each person) please help me out on this subject.

Not only would you be stealing from rr but you would also be stealing from your neighbors, both the ones you collect money from, and all the other legit rr customers. As to not getting caught a large black hole of bandwith drain just might alert them and they are working on modems that can tell cable companies what you are using on your side of the modem. To make a long post short the anwser is no I won't help you

[Christoph]

totally illegal

Earning money is great. You should try it.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

First of all...as stated a few times above, it's illegal. Discussion of means to steal anything here is illegal.

Second, it would not be difficult to catch you. I'm not going to tell you how, but I will say it would be a lot easier than you think. If it's DSL you also run the risk of losing your telephone. If its cable...you run that risk as well.

If you can't discuss acceptable material, I suggest you not discuss anything at all.

[flounder43]

I agree with Shadow here, why is it I seem to be discussing illegal activity again in this context? Binary, get a job, the honest way to make a buck... I don't care for hearing about shoplifting stories or hijacking internet service anymore. Sorry, just my opinion...

[BinarySuperman]

fine fine i wont do it, but i will create a network in my house for gaming purposes, and i do have a job, currently im making 400 bucks a week tax-free :D, the reason i asked you guys was because i have a girl in my building that i like and she wants to have internet service on her comp with out the phone like being occupied, and she at the moment cant afford to get RR, she live in a 1 bedroom apartment and she lives with her mom, dad, brother and grandmother, so life for her is pretty ruff, i just wanted to do a helpful deed, she needs the internet service for research, im probably still gonna get the linksys router and help her out, i hate it when people suffer :(

[Christoph]

Giving her an illegal internet connection is hardly a favor. I'm glad that you want to help her out somehow. There are better ways.

[BinarySuperman]

ok, this question is really bothering me, k if i live on the 3rd floor and the 5th floor, do i have a right to hook up a wireless network in both my apartments, is that illegal???

[Gresyth]

Originally posted by BinarySuperman
fine fine i wont do it, but i will create a network in my house for gaming purposes, and i do have a job, currently im making 400 bucks a week tax-free :D, the reason i asked you guys was because i have a girl in my building that i like and she wants to have internet service on her comp with out the phone like being occupied, and she at the moment cant afford to get RR, she live in a 1 bedroom apartment and she lives with her mom, dad, brother and grandmother, so life for her is pretty ruff, i just wanted to do a helpful deed, she needs the internet service for research, im probably still gonna get the linksys router and help her out, i hate it when people suffer :(

If you really want to help her, call TWC and sign her up for the service and then YOU pay for it.

[Maddman]

Originally posted by BinarySuperman
ok, this question is really bothering me, k if i live on the 3rd floor and the 5th floor, do i have a right to hook up a wireless network in both my apartments, is that illegal???

Read your contract. Most do not care as long as you are not reselling bandwidth. Also remember even though you make no money off of the venture you will also be tech support for the connection as she will not be able to call on rr when she has a problem.

[iggybaseball]

would it still be illegal if you didn't charge the customers?

[Maddman]

The cable company probably won't mind 2-3 but if you start wirering the whole building then they get upset

[Wicked Klown]

I can't remember what it said when I had RR. With the Company I'm with right now I can have 32 computers on one connection. Ok my ? is would it be wrong to hook up a friend with the faster cable instead of them using a 56K dial up if I don't charge them. I mean they don't even want cable for the T.V. So would that be ok. The reason I ask is they do alot with Ebay and sometimes have problems with the dial up.

[flounder43]

For the most part, they want one computer hooked up. At least that is the way it is for me. That is why they recorded my MAC address...and why they charge for more than one IP address...

Of course, all you need to do is clone the MAC address with a router/switch, so you can have more than one hooked up.

I use a router so I can have connections for folding...

[dugans]

My cable provider charges a different rate for customers who want to home network now. They do kinda suck. And their tech support is pretty useless.

I have my one machine connected to the internet...;)

[BinarySuperman]

so you guys are saying its ok to provide 1 or 2 people with my service as long as i dont charge them?? cause i really wanna help her out, and no i cant afford to get her the service, im not rich:D

[dugans]

My service agreement says that I am paying for connection for 1 pc to the Internet; networking service is available to connect multiple PCs at additional cost.

Your service agreement may be different, but you should know that violating your service agreement can result in losing the service and possible further action, depending on your ISP.

[It_The_Cow]

Originally posted by BinarySuperman
im probably still gonna get the linksys router and help her out, i hate it when people suffer :( The hell!?! Stop trying to get into her pants man. If she considers 56k a burden, then that spoiled brat should "suffer." Look around your complex, man. I'm sure several others are "suffering." What about them!?! Why don't you give them free broadband access? Look around the world as well. Have you been making your donations? Hey, while you're at it, I'm on 56k as well. Why don't you pay for the costs for me to get a T3?! 56k is such a burden. I'M SUFFERING LIKE HELL!

[Warlord2]

isnt everyone capped off at a speed?

if so you would only be depriving yourself of the connection and not your neighbors...

and I can tell you my cable is fast even with 20 people hooked up to it for a lan and I have Road runner

I would go ahead and share your connection.....its not like she is going to use mucho bandwidth or put up a server with it.....

[blebs99]

You would need a router or you'd have to pay for more then one IP. You could not charge her. All in all, I'd say don't touch this with a 100 ft pole.

If your earning $400.00 a week tax free, what is that going to do for you should you become disabled, sick, or even retire? You won't have any of this on your work record and that won't be a good thing.

[BinarySuperman]

Thank you warlord, at least someone understands, and no im not trying to get into her pants, although i wouldn't mind :D ok i'll put it this way, i dont give a rats @$$ about my neighbors and their feeling about 56k or whatever, i care about my friend, cause she is a hard working student who has is ruff in life, unless i become friends with my neighbors then i really don't care about them, and im just saying im making 400 a week, cause someone asked if i could pay for her service, im not that kind, if she was my girl then i probably pay for it, this job is temporary till i finish college. don't get me wrong or anything i do care about peoples feelings, but i cant care for everyone in the world, after all im only one man. im going to buy the linksys wireless router for $180 (thank you price watch) and im gonna hook her up as well as my sister after i get her some parts to finish building her comp.

[Gresyth]

excerpt from the TWC Roadrunner site FAQ for New York.

24. I have two computers in my house? Can I use Road Runner with multiple computers?

Road Runner can support multiple computers from your home. There are currently two options available:


1. Users can connect multiple home computers to one cable modem using their own network hub. However, the cable modem can only be used by one computer at a time.There is no additional monthly cost, but installation of Road Runner software will cost an additional one time fee of $15 for each computer.

2.Users can connect multiple home computers to one cable modem using their own network hub. For an additional charge of $10 per month per computer, up to five computers can simultaneously share one cable modem. All computers installed in this fashion will have unlimited access. In addition, there is a one time fee of $15 per computer for software installation.

[BinarySuperman]

thats crap, i have a netgear hub and i hooked 2 comps to it, and all were able to use the net at the same time.

[dugans]

It doesn't say that it is not possible, just that you have to pay more money.

[SpeeDj]

Originally posted by Gresyth
excerpt from the TWC Roadrunner site FAQ for New York.

24. I have two computers in my house? Can I use Road Runner with multiple computers?

Road Runner can support multiple computers from your home. There are currently two options available:


1. Users can connect multiple home computers to one cable modem using their own network hub. However, the cable modem can only be used by one computer at a time.There is no additional monthly cost, but installation of Road Runner software will cost an additional one time fee of $15 for each computer.

2.Users can connect multiple home computers to one cable modem using their own network hub. For an additional charge of $10 per month per computer, up to five computers can simultaneously share one cable modem. All computers installed in this fashion will have unlimited access. In addition, there is a one time fee of $15 per computer for software installation. The thing that I find funny about the above is this, say you pay them this extra money per month. Talk to one of their technicians, they do not support hubs or routers. So if they are not going to support the hardware required to do so, what exactly are they charging you for ? Just my two cent's. I go round and round with Road Runner anytime I have a modem problem, they insist it is my router, I know it's their Modem. But yet they don't support routers or hubs so therefore it has to be my equipment. See where I am going with this ? It's nonsense there is no way if you are going via a router to tell how many pc's are accessing an internet connection as it acts as a gateway and all the pc's come up as the same ip. Same thing with using ICS on a windows machine, it masks all the computer ip's on your network with it's own basically acting as a software based router. Again just my two cent's I am NOT SAYING rip off your Cable Com, I just saying in theory it is possible to do what you are curious about. Being also that your modem is capped for maximum speed and throughput I highly find it unlikely that they would see a "black hole" of internet bandwidth. Just my two cent's again.

J

[BinarySuperman]

thanks for the info Dj :)

[Maddman]

Originally posted by SpeeDj
The thing that I find funny about the above is this, say you pay them this extra money per month. Talk to one of their technicians, they do not support hubs or routers. So if they are not going to support the hardware required to do so, what exactly are they charging you for ? Just my two cent's. I go round and round with Road Runner anytime I have a modem problem, they insist it is my router, I know it's their Modem. But yet they don't support routers or hubs so therefore it has to be my equipment. See where I am going with this ? It's nonsense there is no way if you are going via a router to tell how many pc's are accessing an internet connection as it acts as a gateway and all the pc's come up as the same ip. Same thing with using ICS on a windows machine, it masks all the computer ip's on your network with it's own basically acting as a software based router. Again just my two cent's I am NOT SAYING rip off your Cable Com, I just saying in theory it is possible to do what you are curious about. Being also that your modem is capped for maximum speed and throughput I highly find it unlikely that they would see a "black hole" of internet bandwidth. Just my two cent's again.

J

I was reading an article that said that at the moment they can't tell how many computers you have but that they can tell if you are using more then one and they are working on modems that can tell how many computers you are running and will transmit that info back to the cable company.

[SpeeDj]

Originally posted by Maddman


I was reading an article that said that at the moment they can't tell how many computers you have but that they can tell if you are using more then one and they are working on modems that can tell how many computers you are running and will transmit that info back to the cable company. Here is my thought on that, if currently you use a router all you will see when you ping that IP is the router, now if you are running a firewall as well how is it possible for them to trace seperate IP's? Just curious if someone could enlighten me on this point I would appreciate it. The same thing with ICS for Microsoft, your computers seperate IP's and whatnot are blocked. I would like to learn how it would be possible to do such a thing. Any of you network gurus care to step in?

Just my two cent's

J

[BinarySuperman]

man all those cents combined must of made you rich:D

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Warlord2


NOTE
Im ****ed at rr right now and will do anything to kill the company:D



If you were really p$ssed at them you would buy one of these:

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---DISCLAIMER---

Im not telling you what to do with this nor how to cut the fiber optic cables in the ground



:beer:

[Maddman]

Originally posted by SpeeDj
Here is my thought on that, if currently you use a router all you will see when you ping that IP is the router, now if you are running a firewall as well how is it possible for them to trace seperate IP's? Just curious if someone could enlighten me on this point I would appreciate it. The same thing with ICS for Microsoft, your computers seperate IP's and whatnot are blocked. I would like to learn how it would be possible to do such a thing. Any of you network gurus care to step in?

Just my two cent's

J

I don't know how they do the first part but the second part will be accomplished by changihg the standards that implement NAT.