Please help me plan my Tualeron 1.1 @ 1.5 system!

[oldfart]

Hi everyone. New to this forum, but not to overclocking. I've talked to ol' man over @ Anands a few times. I passed on the Tualatin 1.2 @ 1.6 because it seemed too much on the edge. I've seen limited success with it. The new Tualeron 1.1 and 1.0 CPUs are supposed to be out in January. I plan on a 1.1 @ ~ 1.5. The 1.2's seem to make 1.5 fairly easily, so I assume the same should be true of the 1.1's.

My question is which mobo and HS/Fan to go with. I currently run a CUSL2 and am very happy with it and like ASUS boards in general. A TUSL2 is my first choice. Some here have had better luck with other boards such as Iwill and Abit. Please give me your thoughts on which board will get me to 133 FSB or a little higher with the C1.1.

My other question is HS/Fan. let me say right off.... I HATE A NOISY SYSTEM!! I run a PIII 1 G @ 1125 now with the stock HS/Fan, Panaflow L1A front case and power supply fans, and a GF3 with a Chrome Orb running 7 Volts and no cover to quiet it down. I need a cooling setup that will do the job, but be very quiet. I have a couple of L1A's (80 mm) laying around. I was thinking of using one with an 80mm to 60mm adapter with a ??? HS. I have a Taisol CEK734092 laying around also. Would that be a good enough HS?

Thanks for the help!

[Yodums]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But don't the Celeron Tualatin's start at 1.2 and the P3 Tualatin start at 1.13 so that means your getting a P3 correct? If so that means it probably won't overclock as much as those Celly's.

As for cooling setup water cooling will do good, quiet, and most efficent cooler.

[oldfart]

This is the good news.....There are supposed to be NEW 1.0 and 1.1 Tualatin Celerons in January! Just like the Tualatin 1.2, 256K, .13u, 100 FSB.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by oldfart
This is the good news.....There are supposed to be NEW 1.0 and 1.1 Tualatin Celerons in January! Just like the Tualatin 1.2, 256K, .13u, 100 FSB.

Why would they make a lower mhz than right now?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by tsunami


Why would they make a lower mhz than right now?

because the lower edn Cellys are getting crushed by the durons and they need something that can at least come close...

[oldfart]

Take a look HERE (http://www.hardware.fr/html/articles/lire.php3?article=402&page=1). Its in French, so you will have to translate.

[6502kid]

Re: CPU fan.

If those Tualatin cellys run as cool as the P3-S versions,
you might not need too much of a fan.

I just replaced a HOWLING loud Dragon Orb 3 monster
with an el'cheapo CoolerMaster DP5-6H51 that is
considerably quieter, with no detectable change in
CPU temps.

Is that cool or what ?:p :D

[ol' man]

I all ready know where to get the 1GHz and 1.1GHz celeries. The 1GHz celeries are under $100:D I would maybe get the 1GHz and run it at a 160+ FSB. Mega mem scores then and at 1600MHz/160fsb it would crush alot of chips out right now:D

A good board it would seem for this would be the GB with turbo pLL since you could run a 160~170 fsb and keep your PCI I think under 36MHz. Well within reason!

Find some memory that will do 160MHz and you will have a smoka.

[oldfart]

I all ready know where to get the 1GHz and 1.1GHz celeries
Where?

I already have 512 meg of Crucial PC133 that I'll be keeping. I run it now @ 150 MHz 3-2-2. I think the 1.1 @ 1.5 is my route. The 815 chipset does some odd things abouve 140 FSB. I have a patched BIOS for my CUSL2 to get around them. Details Here (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/i815twken.htm) and Here (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/twk815en.htm).

[funnyperson1]

a good choice for the tualatins is the VolcanoII at 1488mhz it kept my dads comp while doing Sandra BUrn in at 39C...

[ol' man]

Originally posted by oldfart

Where?

I already have 512 meg of Crucial PC133 that I'll be keeping. I run it now @ 150 MHz 3-2-2. I think the 1.1 @ 1.5 is my route. The 815 chipset does some odd things abouve 140 FSB. I have a patched BIOS for my CUSL2 to get around them. Details Here (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/i815twken.htm) and Here (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/twk815en.htm).

Ummmm, dude I can run my ST6 to 170+ fsb no problem except on board sound fails in which case I disable it in the bios and walla big deal. I then slap in my sb live and I got sound again. ASUS boards are flaky above certain fsb's I feel. I think the ST6 is a better board. You get what you want but I am staying clear of the ASUS boards from now on. I used to run my .13u PIII @ 167fsb with no problems, it was a tank! I have even ran the fsb to 175MHz for a small while. I felt 1500MHz and a 167fsb was good enough you know. The ST6 will not dissapoint with this chip but I feel the TUSL2 may, even above 134fsb. I would not go with that board. The 815 chipset can handle very high PCI speeds it is the ASUS boards that crap out early man. Both the CUSL2 and the TUSL2 crap out early. I had a TUSL2 and I know. Sorry they are not a good OC'n board IMHO. The ST6 costs less and is better. You will also get all vcores to 1.8 with the wire trick on the st6. 1.8v is more than plenty for most chips you know. To get that high on the tusl2 you will still need the wire trick.

[MilkPowder-2]

Originally posted by tsunami


Why would they make a lower mhz than right now?

Because them are hot cakes. Those new T-Celery 1.0 & 1.1 are great FSB overclockers. As already mentioned above, their high potential FSB oc would give you some awesome memory throughput performance. In other words, these behave like the P3S(Tualatin P3 that are FSB oc-friendly). This is what I would call Hot Cake, muhahahahahahahaha.

Oh by the way, greetings to my good ol' Ol'man and Olfart. I am back ol'man :D and hi again to Olfart from Anandtech :D Glad all three of us are here, hehehe

[oldfart]

Thanks for the replies! I'm not at all opposed to getting a ST6 or other board. I'm not that wild about PCI speeds over 37-38 MHz. My CUSL2 PIII 1G will run 160 FSB, 1.2 GHz, but my nic wont work @ 40 PCI. 150 FSB, 37.5 PCI, it works fine. I suppose a Tualeron 1 G @ 150 FSB, 1.5 GHz is a pretty cool idea. 1.5 is what I'm shooting for anyway. Is the ST6 available in a non raid version?

In your estimation, how much Vcore will be needed to get to 1.5 Ghz? How much cooling?

Thanks again!

[ol' man]

Originally posted by oldfart
Thanks for the replies! I'm not at all opposed to getting a ST6 or other board. I'm not that wild about PCI speeds over 37-38 MHz. My CUSL2 PIII 1G will run 160 FSB, 1.2 GHz, but my nic wont work @ 40 PCI. 150 FSB, 37.5 PCI, it works fine. I suppose a Tualeron 1 G @ 150 FSB, 1.5 GHz is a pretty cool idea. 1.5 is what I'm shooting for anyway. Is the ST6 available in a non raid version?

In your estimation, how much Vcore will be needed to get to 1.5 Ghz? How much cooling?

Thanks again!

Yeah it is and is about $85~$90. My nic worked at 166fsb and 1/4 dividers in the ST6. I think it may be your mobo cause my HD's would crap out early in my TUSL2 but in my ST6 I could hit well over 41MHz PCI. In the TUSL2 it was around 38MHz PCI.

Check this url

http://queen.pricewatch.com/search/searchcat.idq?ne=34859&l=34813&CiCodePage=Windows-1252&cr=ST6&qc=%22ST6%22*+AND+@ctd+2&catd=2&ct=Computer&cn=Motherboards

Lotsa ST6's for under $90. I got mine from MWAVE which ironically has the ST6 for $83 right now.

Not sure why the ST6 can hit such high FSB/PCI ratio's but I assure you it can. It is a very good board. ABIT may not make the best AMD boards but they make the best INTEL mobo's IMHO.

[jmsandrsn]

Originally posted by ol' man
I all ready know where to get the 1GHz and 1.1GHz celeries.

Are you saying that you can already get the 1.0 & 1.1 Tualatin Celerons or are you talking about the coppermine version. If so, can you tell us where to get them. Thanks!!

[ol' man]

Originally posted by jmsandrsn


Are you saying that you can already get the 1.0 & 1.1 Tualatin Celerons or are you talking about the coppermine version. If so, can you tell us where to get them. Thanks!!



.........EDIT...........SORRY THIS IS A PREORDER ONLY. PRICE WATCH LISTED THEM AS IN STOCK BUT THEN I WENT TO THE WEBSITE AND IT WAS A NO GO



1 GHurtz

http://www.microx-press.com/templates/micro/product.asp?sid=B0CA00BCDB5C420C91B2594DC647EBE4&prodid=CPUIN228C

1.1 GHurtz

http://www.microx-press.com/templates/micro/product.asp?sid=B0CA00BCDB5C420C91B2594DC647EBE4&prodid=CPUIN229C

Once again sorry about that.

[oldfart]

The ST6 info is a bit fuzzy. The ST6-Raid says Tualatin support. The ST6 doesnt. All ST6 raid or non raid have Tualatin support? What Vcore adjustments are available without a wire trick?

[ol' man]

Originally posted by oldfart
The ST6 info is a bit fuzzy. The ST6-Raid says Tualatin support. The ST6 doesnt. All ST6 raid or non raid have Tualatin support? What Vcore adjustments are available without a wire trick?

You scared of the wiretrick? 1.6v is the highest you will hit without it. With it you get 1.05~1.8v. Real simple mod! Anyway if you get a ST6 or ST6-R you will have tualatin support no matter which you get! It seems most chips do not like vcores higher than 1.75 anyway! If you get a good philli chip you should be able to hit possibly yoru golden mark on 1.6 or less vcore anyway. I think the ST6 bump up the vcore to 1.625~1.65 even if you set it too 1.6 in the bios. Do not fret man:) The ST6 will not dissapoint!

Wire trick in a nutshell, make a u about the size of this -->U<-- and insert it into certain holes on the FCPGA2 socket then push in the chip and walla you are good as gold. Make sure it is good copper wire as I am not sure if other wire will suffice. I have not used aluminum wire. The wire should also be about the thickness of a hair.

If you want 160+ fsb's the ST6 will not fail! The GB board has not been proven to be a real good board yet to me so I am not going to suggest it anymore till fluid comes up with some good specs for us!

[oldfart]

We come from different schools of overclocking. You are definitely the "extreme overclocker". Get the absolute max out of it. I'm more conservative. I don't like too much voltage, too much heat and definitely, don't like a noisy system. I also like to keep my PCI and AGP speeds close to spec. No higher than 38 MHz PCI. I'll be perfectly happy with a 1.5 overclock. I do like your idea of using the 1.0 instead of the 1.1. The extra BW is nice. So, to get to 1.5, what would you expect the needed Vcore to be if it is similar to the C1.2? I'm thinking I'll go with the ST6. I don't need Raid and if I did, I like Promise controllers anyway.

Thanks once again for all the replies. It has been a big help.

[Yodums]

You won't have to worry about specs in this case. Since the Abit ST6 has 1/4 dividers.

Although why wouldn't you like the voltage that the cpu has.

I mean all you have to be worrying about before that is the temperatures.

IF you don't like sound you can go water cooling.

There's always a method around things.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by oldfart
We come from different schools of overclocking. You are definitely the "extreme overclocker". Get the absolute max out of it. I'm more conservative. I don't like too much voltage, too much heat and definitely, don't like a noisy system. I also like to keep my PCI and AGP speeds close to spec. No higher than 38 MHz PCI. I'll be perfectly happy with a 1.5 overclock. I do like your idea of using the 1.0 instead of the 1.1. The extra BW is nice. So, to get to 1.5, what would you expect the needed Vcore to be if it is similar to the C1.2? I'm thinking I'll go with the ST6. I don't need Raid and if I did, I like Promise controllers anyway.

Thanks once again for all the replies. It has been a big help.

Ummm, I am into quietness too man. Usually my mods will allow one too cool their chip with very quiet methods.

If you get a philli chip then you will probably only need default or a little above to hit 1.5GHz. You may even be able to undervolt the chip even possibly but not likely. Believe me if you only do a 1.5MHz OC then you could probably cool with a PAL 6035 and a very quiet 60mm fan. This especially if you only use 1.6v as a max vcore to achieve your goal. In that case you will not have to mess with any WIRE:D The ST6 will do you well!

[MilkPowder-2]

Or, get a big a$$ copper HS with an 80mm Panaflo fan with 40 some CFM (they're quiet) as i mentioned to you over at anandtech forum. Just trying to help.. cauze i like you Oldfart :D

[oldfart]

I have a pile of Panaflow L1A's. I bought them for ~ $3 each! I have one in my PS, one as my front intake. The L1A's are 24 CFM fans, 1900 rpm. I may use it on a copper HS. You think 24 CFM is enough?

[MilkPowder-2]

Hey that's pretty good.. that you got them cheap. I think it'd be safer bet for plenty cooling to go with a 40cfm Panaflo with your future setup T-celery 1.0@ 1.5 +/-. It's at 32dBA(probably a little bit louder than L1A's) Just my opinion.. Here (http://www.pcmods.com/details.asp?ProdID=99) :D

[ol' man]

Originally posted by oldfart
I have a pile of Panaflow L1A's. I bought them for ~ $3 each! I have one in my PS, one as my front intake. The L1A's are 24 CFM fans, 1900 rpm. I may use it on a copper HS. You think 24 CFM is enough?

If you can attach it to a pal 6035 it should be:)

I think the fan on it is like a 25cfm fan!

Go for the Gold man.

Good news just found out is that the GA-60XET has 1/5 and 1/6 PCI dividers. I have been waiting for a board with these for some tiume now ever since the PIII .13u came out. I thought hte BD133u had these but it did not.

This is a very good day for the OC'n world! Better snatch up some pc166 or pc160 if you can find it cause even at 160 fsb your PCI would be at 32MHz with 1/5 dividers:)

[6502kid]

That is good news. I just ordered one of those up
yesterday. Already got a few sticks of Kingmax and
OCZ ready to play with.:burn: :D

I'll drop this P3-s chip in it, then when I get one
of those Cellys later, I can put it in the Soyo mb
and see if it will get over 133. No wire trick needed
with the TISU......:p

[oldfart]

The GA-60XET looks sweet! Where is a good place (USA) to get one? My usual haunts dont carry them.

I want my Tualeron! When will they be available?

[Bonka]

You will probably have a better time finding the XET-C. Hey, in terms of features, EXACTLY the same as the ABit ST6 EXCEPT, if it is the same as it's older brother, the XET, you should have the 1/5 and 1/6 dividers and no need to wire trick to up vcore to 1.8 since it should be available without the mod. I'm sure you can live without the dual bios, 1 extra dimm slot and no creative ct5880 onboard audio. I'll probably still end up picking on of the 2 mentioned up to see how well they work for me.

The Tualatin Celeron 1.0, 1.1, and 1.3 are scheduled for release in January! Keep those quarters in the bank :p

[oldfart]

The -C would be fine. Dual BIOS is nice, but not necessary. 3 DIMM slots are one more than I need. Creative audio? Not in my PC!

[muddocktor]

It looks like the word is getting out about these Gigabyte boards; they are getting harder to find on pricewatch. I found 3 vendors at $90-92 for the XET-C boards and none at all for the XET boards. I got my XET from Axion Technologies but all they have is the C version now.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by muddocktor
It looks like the word is getting out about these Gigabyte boards; they are getting harder to find on pricewatch. I found 3 vendors at $90-92 for the XET-C boards and none at all for the XET boards. I got my XET from Axion Technologies but all they have is the C version now.

Crapola I better shut me mouth then! I still need to buy one!

[Bonka]

If the C is the same as the regular, why not settle for the C? Surely one wouldn't spend the extra $50 or so for dual bios would they?

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Bonka
If the C is the same as the regular, why not settle for the C? Surely one wouldn't spend the extra $50 or so for dual bios would they?

No but hopefully they are the same!

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Bonka
If the C is the same as the regular, why not settle for the C? Surely one wouldn't spend the extra $50 or so for dual bios would they?

i also think that 50$ goes towards crappy onboard audio and i dont see the need for dual bios, while it is nice anyone who is carefgul should be fuine with a normal bios.....