View Full Version : Let me show you a Newegg Secret (3870)
Newegg is dropping their prices to $249.99 on the 3870s. Although this is still higher than it should be, it's much more managable considering how hard they are to find.
Anyway, the secret is the GeCube 3870 that doesn't show up on any search page currently and is in stock for $249.99.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241067
Enjoy? ;)
sapphire is back in stock, at $249.99, doh http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102713
nd4spdbh2
11-30-07, 07:52 PM
Newegg is dropping their prices to $249.99 on the 3870s. Although this is still higher than it should be, it's much more managable considering how hard they are to find.
Anyway, the secret is the GeCube 3870 that doesn't show up on any search page currently and is in stock for $249.99.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241067
Enjoy? ;)
Also, the Sapphire and HIS versions were down to 249.99 and in stock right as I made my post, unfortunately when I went to check back for the links they had been re-raised to $269.99 and out of stock.
powercolor is in stock, but still $269.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131072
sapphire is back in stock, but at $269.99, doh http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102713
Looks like the GeCube is the best bet if you buy from newegg today.
HIDDEN??? i can get to it by going newegg.com > video cards> under manufacturer on the left click gcube > then radeon hd 3000 series...
or by simply searcing "hd3870"
for 249 is a MEH deal IMO... id grab a 8800gt
Its now searchable. They just added it today.
Find a 8800GT for less than $270 that isn't backordered.
Image quality from the AA on 3870 is better anyway, plus the cooling solution is better. 70 frames compared to 60 frames is going to feel the same so I prefer the better image quality, shrug. I have one of these coming and I am VERY happy that it's not an 8800GT. Although it is mainstream, I was able to afford it unlike say other cards that are faster..... I still wish I had my 8800 Ultra, but I'm still content with a 3870 when I'm only paying half the price out of my pocket (other half Christmas gift from a friend).
Gregory_WE
11-30-07, 09:08 PM
I'll attest that it wasn't searchable when he posted this (I checked). It is now, however.
eye of the hawk
11-30-07, 09:18 PM
70 frames compared to 60 frames is going to feel the same so I prefer the better image quality, shrug.
The "ati" (amd..?) fans are still throwing this around? Too funny :)
RangerXLT8
11-30-07, 09:19 PM
No matter how bad I want it, I can't justify upgrading to it from a HD2900XT. The performance gain is like 2%.
If you add the sapphire card to card from the SEARCH page and not from the main page, it will go into your cart as $249.99 and not $269.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=3870
The asus card is also in stock.
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The "ati" (amd..?) fans are still throwing this around? Too funny :)
I have used every generation of both series since the Geforce 2. While the Nvidia cards may run faster with AA on, the actual image QUALITY is better on ATI when AA is enabled. You can especially see it with lines on roads, fences, ventilation shafts, etc. I am not a fan of either, I prefer to use what is currently the best or the best for the money. Not to mention the short level of detail distance. Objects disappear sooner on the Nvidia card, textures appear blurry at a distance even if AF is enabled at 16x, anti aliasing is only applied up to a certain range and objects in the far distance are not anti aliased on the Nvidia card from what I've seen. Even the texture quality is set to Quality instead of High quality by default. While all of these settings can be modified in the drivers and the registry, by DEFAULT the Nvidia cards are optimized to have higher frames while sacrificing details the normal or non picky user won't notice.
As of right now in MY OPINION the 3870 is better than the 8800GT. Even though I still say the Ultra is easily the best card currently on the market.
petteyg359
11-30-07, 10:28 PM
How much better is one of these than an 8600GTS? Would it be worth it to get a couple for Crossfire on my system?
How much better is one of these than an 8600GTS? Would it be worth it to get a couple for Crossfire on my system?
In every test I have seen, it is faster than the 320mb GTS, and "VERY SLIGHTLY" faster than the 8800 640mb. If you have the 640mb version, a single card is not going to show you hardly any improvement. Though it's going to be more than $100 cheaper for a 3870. If you crossfired, then yes you would notice a large improvement over your GTS.
The Sapphire main page has been updated with the new price and is $249.99.
bryan_d
11-30-07, 11:48 PM
In every test I have seen, it is faster than the 320mb GTS, and "VERY SLIGHTLY" faster than the 8800 640mb. If you have the 640mb version, a single card is not going to show you hardly any improvement. Though it's going to be more than $100 cheaper for a 3870. If you crossfired, then yes you would notice a large improvement over your GTS.
You are very right... but he was referring to the 8600GTS. :)
Yea I guess I didn't read it close enough. I haven't seen any 8600 to 3870 comparisons but from 8800 and 8600 comparisons it would probably be at the user's discretion whether to update or not. You're going to see definite improvements but you do have to go through the hassel of selling the 8600 and then trying to find the 3870 for a good deal. The only reason I posted this thread was for people who are sick of getting shot down by "Backordered" deals everywhere you go (I got backordered at ncix, dell, and best buy) so the extra few bucks makes sure you get it now instead of waiting 2 weeks when the supply is supposed to increase and the price supposed to drop.
nd4spdbh2
12-01-07, 01:15 AM
The "ati" (amd..?) fans are still throwing this around? Too funny :)
haha i get a kick outta the good ole image quality excuse amd/ati fanboys throw out there, love it, i guess thats why your probably on a TN pannel lcd also :rolleyes:
haha i crack my self up. :beer:
I have an 8600GTS and they're good cards but the 128bit 256MB memory is a handicapt at higher resolutions. The 3870 is a big jump in performance. The HDCP support is nice too (especially sinc eit's the only way I know of to get Vista to send a digital audio signal - ie, via HDMI).
Maybe someone could answer me these questions three:
1) Does this include a cable or is it an adapter and you supply the HDMI cable?
2) Could I use my existing DVI to HDMI cable instead?
3) Do the Giants have a chance at the wild card this year?
Gregory_WE
12-01-07, 10:04 AM
The cards that have dual-DVI have a DVI-HDMI adapter, but unlike with previous cards/adapters, this actually transmits the audio signal also despite originating through DVI.
A select few of the cards actually took the initiative to integrate an HDMI port in, so you'd have 1 HDMI and 1 DVI port.
I'm not sure about if they include cables or not.
I have an 8600GTS and they're good cards but the 128bit 256MB memory is a handicapt at higher resolutions. The 3870 is a big jump in performance. The HDCP support is nice too (especially sinc eit's the only way I know of to get Vista to send a digital audio signal - ie, via HDMI).
Maybe someone could answer me these questions three:
1) Does this include a cable or is it an adapter and you supply the HDMI cable?
2) Could I use my existing DVI to HDMI cable instead?
3) Do the Giants have a chance at the wild card this year?
The cards include adapters but not cables. You have to supply your own cable and be sure that it also transmits sound too. As far as I know cables that go directly from dvi->HDMI don't transmit sound (of course I may be wrong) and that is why the adapter is included, so you can do HDMI->HDMI and keep the sound.
nd4spdbh2
12-01-07, 12:31 PM
The cards include adapters but not cables. You have to supply your own cable and be sure that it also transmits sound too. As far as I know cables that go directly from dvi->HDMI don't transmit sound (of course I may be wrong) and that is why the adapter is included, so you can do HDMI->HDMI and keep the sound.
you are correct a dvi to hdmi cable can not trasmit sound as it doesnt have the extra pins, You might be able to find a dvi to hdmi converter that has a coax digial port on it so you can plug ur digital audio and run it through hdmi.
as for ati's IQ, wasnt the 3xxx series sorta created outta the necessity to fix AA probs? any ways im glad ATI has brought back competition thats what i like.
rainless
12-01-07, 12:36 PM
In every test I have seen, it is faster than the 320mb GTS, and "VERY SLIGHTLY" faster than the 8800 640mb. If you have the 640mb version, a single card is not going to show you hardly any improvement. Though it's going to be more than $100 cheaper for a 3870. If you crossfired, then yes you would notice a large improvement over your GTS.
BS. You buy one of these things and we'll put it head-to-head against MY 8800 GTS 640. I'll believe it's faster when I see it.
They aren't nearly as fast as the 8800GTs... which I've seen all over the place btw. They sell out at one place and they're back on sale a few minutes later at another place. There was a post here in cyber deals where you could get one for 218 dollars.
The 3870 is a $200 video card. Period.
Nobody should be paying $249 for the "privilege" of being overcharged.
So much ****ing thread crapping, I'm sick of it. I am not posting anything else in this forum.
Wait, what GTS being rolled in every NEW game that is benchmarked?
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd_3870/12.htm
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd_3870/13.htm
http://www.techspot.com/review/76-asus-radeon-hd-3870/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/76-asus-radeon-hd-3870/page7.html
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219905,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219906,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219907,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219908,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219909,00.asp
Just tell me when to stop when you see the 8800GTS 640MB doing better than the 3870. I'm going down the list on google and choosing every review site in order. The 8800GT is faster, for $50-$100 more. You snag a sweet deal on a 8800GT, lucky you. Other than that the 3870 is the next best mainstream choice. The 8800GTS 640MB is outdated.
I did buy one of these, and I take you up on your weak challenge.
MadMan007
12-01-07, 01:02 PM
nevermind, I was providing some evidence regarding the iq argument but those with their minds already made up probably don't care.
The 8800GT is faster, for $50-$100 more. You snag a sweet deal on a 8800GT, lucky you. Other than that the 3870 is the next best mainstream choice. The 8800GTS 640MB is outdated.
In most of those benchmarks the 8800GT is faster. Since they're at the same price right now (~$250) I'd say it would be foolish to go with the 3870. I have yet to see an image quality test that matter-of-factly says the 8800GT's performance gains should be ignored for any (supposed) massive IQ benefits in the 3870. The ONLY reason I could think of to go with the 3870 is for the HDCP support, and now that I checked it appears the 8800GT has it too... so... :o
nd4spdbh2
12-01-07, 05:53 PM
So much ****ing thread crapping, I'm sick of it. I am not posting anything else in this forum.
Wait, what GTS being rolled in every NEW game that is benchmarked?
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd_3870/12.htm
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd_3870/13.htm
http://www.techspot.com/review/76-asus-radeon-hd-3870/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/76-asus-radeon-hd-3870/page7.html
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219905,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219906,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219907,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219908,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2219909,00.asp
Just tell me when to stop when you see the 8800GTS 640MB doing better than the 3870. I'm going down the list on google and choosing every review site in order. The 8800GT is faster, for $50-$100 more. You snag a sweet deal on a 8800GT, lucky you. Other than that the 3870 is the next best mainstream choice. The 8800GTS 640MB is outdated.
I did buy one of these, and I take you up on your weak challenge.
you seriously need to calm down dude what we are trying to say is that for 250-270 its not worth buying the HD3870 when the 8800gt is pretty dang close if not LESS in price and offeres better performance.
and a 8800gt IS NOT 50 or even 100 more than the HD3870
If for what ever reason one wants a HD3870 thats a good price but IMO not worth it.
@Pinky watch out your in thread crapping terrority you wouldnt want to have to warn your self now would you... :rolleyes: :p
DEZMOND
12-01-07, 06:55 PM
haha i get a kick outta the good ole image quality excuse amd/ati fanboys throw out there, love it, i guess thats why your probably on a TN pannel lcd also :rolleyes:
haha i crack my self up. :beer:
Your mobo in your htpc, cracks me up.
phatty2x4
12-01-07, 07:11 PM
There is no "1 best card". It depends on the person and what they want, really. I only spent $180 on my 3870 and felt it was a good price for what I got. That and 2 8800gt's on my x38 won't do any good.
So you all can say we're "foolish" and this and that, but the real fool is the one that thinks there is only 1 way to skin a cat. ;)
rainless
12-01-07, 07:41 PM
There is no "1 best card". It depends on the person and what they want, really. I only spent $180 on my 3870 and felt it was a good price for what I got. That and 2 8800gt's on my x38 won't do any good.
So you all can say we're "foolish" and this and that, but the real fool is the one that thinks there is only 1 way to skin a cat. ;)
You see YOU got an excellent deal. :)
$180 for a $200 card is a "deal." I'm sure you already posted it. But THAT's what I call a "Cyber deal." :beer:
nd4spdbh2
12-01-07, 08:00 PM
Your mobo in your htpc, cracks me up.
LOL that mobo ****es me off soo bad you wouldnt believe, only reason i havnt got rid of it is cus i hardly use it haha ECS just sucks hah
You see YOU got an excellent deal. :)
$180 for a $200 card is a "deal." I'm sure you already posted it. But THAT's what I call a "Cyber deal." :beer:
you are right that is a DAMN good deal on that card. 250 not so much.
ryanmartini
12-01-07, 08:24 PM
just if you plan to overclock the 3870, the 3870 really CLOCKS. Make sure your PSU has a good 12v rail to overclock it and trust me :D You will notice the performance increase!
Look at getting a Thermaltake DualOrb as well :)
My HIS 3870 runs proxicon 06 at 920 core before the PSU starts to give in on the next test. Happy clocking :D
Nathan0490
12-02-07, 11:34 AM
I just picked up one of the Visiontek 3870's from BestBuy last night for $194.28 after tax and shipped. I had a couple rewardzone cert's around that needed to be used. VisionTek is the only way to buy a ATI card IMO, because they are the only ones with the lifetime warrenty.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8728/bbyvisiontekcensorderwi2.jpg
I think I should get $175 RewardZone points from it too. Which means I'll get another $5 RZ Cert. lol
nd4spdbh2
12-02-07, 04:21 PM
now that right there makes the card worth it!
SteveLord
12-02-07, 05:36 PM
I say at the average prices...it all comes down to spending more for better performance...which is the case for most video cards anyway.
ATI, might spend less, but you'll get less in performance
8800GT, might spend more, but you'll get more in performance
Obviously...whatever deal you find, you'll have to weigh it in further.
MadMan007
12-02-07, 07:23 PM
I just picked up one of the Visiontek 3870's from BestBuy last night for $194.28 after tax and shipped. I had a couple rewardzone cert's around that needed to be used. VisionTek is the only way to buy a ATI card IMO, because they are the only ones with the lifetime warrenty.
I think I should get $175 RewardZone points from it too. Which means I'll get another $5 RZ Cert. lol
I don't know why you blocked out your last name, it's clearly got to be 0490 amirite??
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