sweet thx for the info guys. I seen the threads about it lol. I don't care about the cords and stuff. Usually even if i have to buy some cords or whatever i rather buy some others ones (like the fancy stuff lol).
So sounds great, cause even for my jan. build coming up for a totally new machine i was thinking of looking into ordering open box to try and bring the price down enough to afford a phenom, or maybe a radeon 3850 pci express 2.0 (i think its a 3850). Yeah i keep in mind might get a bad part or something, but oh well i've ordered plenty of brand new stuff over the years and had to rma etc etc.
thx for the info again!