Expreview 8800 GTS G92 3DMARK06 Score

[Caust1c]

Make of it what you will...

http://en.expreview.com/?p=95

http://www.expreview.com/img/news/071210/oc_3dmark06.jpg

Notice the rig they are using has a QX9650. I'm sure thats worth a lot of marks.

[e6600]

Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9650 OC 400MHz X10
Asustek P5E3 Deluxe/Wifi-AP with 2GB Kingston DDR3-1066 6-6-6-18-1T
WD 3200YS
Zippy G1 600W
Windows Vista 32bit 6001 with ForceWare 169.12 beta with Modded .inf

wow thats some insane score
more good news for AMD -.-

[Mustanley]

I like those overclocks on the the stock cooler. I hope that is indicative of how they will all OC once they hit the streets

[rainless]

I like those overclocks on the the stock cooler. I hope that is indicative of how they will all OC once they hit the streets

I'll tell you by Friday. Now maybe people can stop being lame about the 8800GT and their "Oh! I'm not paying 100 bucks extra for cooling."

[ViperJohn]

Notice the rig they are using has a QX9650. I'm sure thats worth a lot of marks.

That is one hell of an under statement lol.

They got:

SM2.0.......6898
HDR/SM3...6618
CPU.........5819
OverAll.....16496


With an 8800GT and a 4.25Ghz E6850 Dual Core I got:

SM2.0.......7212
HDR/SM3...6705
CPU.........3790
OverAll.....15458

With the CPU score included in #DM06's the overall score it is worthless as a GFX card
benchmark except for relative compares on the same machine.

Viper

[SuperDave1685]

Damn....:eek:

[xilix]

I'm not impressed. That massively expensive CPU is boosting that score bigtime.

[Brolloks]

If you take the impact that super quad CPU has on the overall score then the GTS is not any improvement over the GT at all, especially at >$100
What the hell is nVidia thinking here, there rationale for product positioning is all messed up IMO

[ViperJohn]

If you take the impact that super quad CPU has on the overall score then the GTS is not any improvement over the GT at all, especially at >$100
What the hell is nVidia thinking here, there rationale for product positioning is all messed up IMO

Oh the G92 8800GTS is a little faster than a same clocked 8800GT but no where near what the
what the benchmark pictures above would lead you to believe.

My GT number listed above were with the GT clocked 864 x 2052 / 1026 (w/1.6ns chip timings)
where that GTS was running 800 x 2000 / 1100.

At the same CPU clocks a 65nm C2Q will add about 1200-1400 points to 3DM06's overall score
over a 65nm C2D. A 45nm C2Q will add about 1400-1600 over a same clocked 65nm C2D. All
of that extra overall score from the C2Q's is coming just from the increased CPU score alone.

Viper

[Neural Net]

Viper, you've made me happy, I now don't regret getting my 8800GT SLI setup. :D

[ViperJohn]

Viper, you've made me happy, I now don't regret getting my 8800GT SLI setup. :D

As long as you stay within the resolution limits of a 512Mb card so you do not run out of on card
memory you will rock and roll.

It cetainly would hurt to jack up your CPU speed though if your sig is correct. An SLI pair of GT's
is no different than an SLI pair of GTX's or Ultra's when it comes to the massive amount of system
speed needed to keep em data loaded.

Viper

[Caust1c]

Here's a review comparing the two cards by anandtech...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3175

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/NVIDIA/8800GTS512/vsGT-crysis.png

[MadMan007]

I'll tell you by Friday. Now maybe people can stop being lame about the 8800GT and their "Oh! I'm not paying 100 bucks extra for cooling."

Yes but you didn't pay $100 more either did you? Yours is an RMA replacement I thought.

[Neural Net]

As long as you stay within the resolution limits of a 512Mb card so you do not run out of on card
memory you will rock and roll.

It cetainly would hurt to jack up your CPU speed though if your sig is correct. An SLI pair of GT's
is no different than an SLI pair of GTX's or Ultra's when it comes to the massive amount of system
speed needed to keep em data loaded.

Viper

Yep I plan to get a q6600 at the moment. My e6300 is resisting higher clocks - perhaps it requires voltage to go from stock to about 1.4 for anymore Mhz, but I can't work out whether it's my board, cpu or ram holding me back. :beer:

I'm going to get a 1900x1200 monitor - I know for Crysis that means it will use more than 500MB of video memory but I wasn't going to spend twice the amount of money on a pair of GTXs. :)

[Hipcrostino]

anyone know what the quality of the memory chips is on the these? The GT's have crap memory, just wondering if they followed suit with these.

[atm743]

That is one hell of an under statement lol.

They got:

SM2.0.......6898
HDR/SM3...6618
CPU.........5819
OverAll.....16496


With an 8800GT and a 4.25Ghz E6850 Dual Core I got:

SM2.0.......7212
HDR/SM3...6705
CPU.........3790
OverAll.....15458

With the CPU score included in #DM06's the overall score it is worthless as a GFX card
benchmark except for relative compares on the same machine.

Viper

i also noticed that you got a better sm2 and sm3 score with your 6850 than the guy with the QX9650.

being how 3d 06 like you said is dumb for adding in the cpu score in with the overall score make the scores deceiving but really your rig is better "graphically" ?

im i getting it right?

[deathman20]

i also noticed that you got a better sm2 and sm3 score with your 6850 than the guy with the QX9650.

being how 3d 06 like you said is dumb for adding in the cpu score in with the overall score make the scores deceiving but really your rig is better "graphically" ?

im i getting it right?

Yes Graphically VJ's should be better if its not CPU bound of course.

[ViperJohn]

Yep I plan to get a q6600 at the moment. My e6300 is resisting higher clocks - perhaps it requires voltage to go from stock to about 1.4 for anymore Mhz, but I can't work out whether it's my board, cpu or ram holding me back. :beer:

I'm going to get a 1900x1200 monitor - I know for Crysis that means it will use more than 500MB of video memory but I wasn't going to spend twice the amount of money on a pair of GTXs. :)

If you have an SLI pair of 512MB cards you still only have 512Mb of memory
and the same resolution/AA caps as a single card.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

anyone know what the quality of the memory chips is on the these? The GT's have crap memory, just wondering if they followed suit with these.

The GTS uses the same Qimonda 1.0ns chips as the GT's.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

i also noticed that you got a better sm2 and sm3 score with your 6850 than the guy with the QX9650.

being how 3d 06 like you said is dumb for adding in the cpu score in with the overall score make the scores deceiving but really your rig is better "graphically" ?

im i getting it right?

My SM2/SM3 scores are higher because my GT was clocked higher and the memory was running
much tighter memory timings.

Currently there are only 3DM06 and Crysis will thread across 4 CPU cores and Crysis does a very
poor job of it. With the exception of those two raw CPU mhz over the number of CPU cores has
the advantage.

Clock for clock / core for core the Intels 45nm CPU's are about 2-3% faster on average in games
and that is probably from the larger caches in the 45nm's.

Viper

[atm743]

Clock for clock / core for core the Intels 45nm CPU's are about 2-3% faster on average in games
and that is probably from the larger caches in the 45nm's.

Viper


I'm going to be building a new computer

well im just need a mobo and a cpu. im going to get a abit pro mobo p35 board and was THINKING about getting a E6750 but would it be worth it in games to wait for the E8500??

[ViperJohn]

I'm going to be building a new computer

well im just need a mobo and a cpu. im going to get a abit pro mobo p35 board and was THINKING about getting a E6750 but would it be worth it in games to wait for the E8500??

If you go with a 65nm Dual core get the E6850 so you have the 9 multiplier.

You will not see much difference between an E6750/E6850 and an E8500 in games clock
for clock but the E8500 will (or at least should) OC a heck a lot higher.

I will be getting an E8500 when they come out and will be shooting for 4800-5000 Mhz
on my ViperChiller with it. I already know my 680i will run in excess of a 525Mhz FSB so
I can make 5Ghz CPU with the E8500 9.5 multi if it will make it that high.

Viper

[deathman20]

Im looking forward to the new procs since they will be so cheap and can OC more im all for it. 45nm Dual core here I come. Sure quad would be nice but I can't forsee much use of a quad still like I would of said back a while ago. Many games that said they'd use it still lacks a decent amount in doing so, so higher clocks and lower TDP is all the better for me as well.

E8500's are suppose to be low $200's right?

[ViperJohn]

E8500's are suppose to be low $200's right?

The same or ever so slightly higher than the E6850 the E8500 is replacing.

The downside with the WolfDales and YorkFields, at least for us overclockers, is the default FSB of
1333 (333Mhz true). That means a lot lower multipliers on the cheaper, lower clocked, Wolfie/Yorkie
CPU's so you will probably run out of MB FSB ability before you can top out the CPU's to their max OC.

Viper

[pak]

I will be getting an E8500 when they come out and will be shooting for 4800-5000 Mhz on my ViperChiller with it.

what is a viperchiller?

--pak

[ViperJohn]

what is a viperchiller?

--pak

A 400w water chiller.

Viper

[atm743]

If you go with a 65nm Dual core get the E6850 so you have the 9 multiplier.

You will not see much difference between an E6750/E6850 and an E8500 in games clock
for clock but the E8500 will (or at least should) OC a heck a lot higher.

I will be getting an E8500 when they come out and will be shooting for 4800-5000 Mhz
on my ViperChiller with it. I already know my 680i will run in excess of a 525Mhz FSB so
I can make 5Ghz CPU with the E8500 9.5 multi if it will make it that high.

Viper

With the higher multiplier would it be able to overclock more?? i was going to get the 6750 cause its only 190 if i get the 6850 its the same as the q6600 and really dont want to pay 270 for a chip when the E8500 is going to be the same price.


how much more performance gain will i get compaired to a 6850 in games

[jason4207]

I'd wait for the 8500 if I were you. Your current rig should hold you over just fine.

[ViperJohn]

With the higher multiplier would it be able to overclock more?? i was going to get the 6750 cause its only 190 if i get the 6850 its the same as the q6600 and really dont want to pay 270 for a chip when the E8500 is going to be the same price.

how much more performance gain will i get compared to a 6850 in games

Maybe. It just depends on where your MB runs out of FSB OC headroom. To do 4.005Ghz with
a 9 multi it only takes 445Mhz FSB. To get that clock with an 8 multi takes a 500+ FSB and there
are a lot of MB chipsets that just will not run that fast.

Viper

[Elluzion]

8800gt > *

[atm743]

Maybe. It just depends on where your MB runs out of FSB OC headroom. To do 4.005Ghz with
a 9 multi it only takes 445Mhz FSB. To get that clock with an 8 multi takes a 500+ FSB and there
are a lot of MB chipsets that just will run that fast.

Viper

ahhhh i see. thanks ill look into that.

how much much performance would a overclocked 45nm to 3.5ghz be to a 65mn c2d at 3.5ghz??

i want to order my cpu this coming week but i dont want to pay allot of $ for a cpu if the 45nm would give me a good boost in games com compared to the 65nm.

i dont plan on try to overclock the hell out of the cpu. would like to get at least 3.4 ghz or maybe less

[ViperJohn]

ahhhh i see. thanks ill look into that.

how much much performance would a overclocked 45nm to 3.5ghz be to a 65mn c2d at 3.5ghz??

From the compares I have seen round the web the 45nm are about 2-3% faster on
average games clock for clock in games. Some games are more and some are less.

The thing about the 45's though is they will OC a chunk higher than a 65 will.

Viper

[atm743]

From the compares I have seen round the web the 45nm and about 2-3% faster
average n games clock for clock. Some games are more and some are less.

The thing about the 45's though is they will OC a chunk higher than a 65 will.

Viper

ahh ok.

well i see what happens this coming week or so. My birthday (18 :beer:) is Monday and my father said he will get me a new motherboard for my birthday then for christmas a cpu or money. depending how it gose i may wait just to get the E8500. probably better of to do that anyways.

i could just upgrade my ram and get a motherboard now. the ram i have is SLOW. i dont think my 667mhz ddr2 ram will do that well overclocking compaired to 800mhz or 1066 mhz. was thinking about this ram kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145173 for now and by the time the cpu's come out ill have some $ saved up for the cpu and ill be set :)