Help with Celeron 1200

[SwedeDude]

Hey!

This is my first thread in this forum! :)
I'm from Sweden so excuse me for my sometimes bad english.

Now to my problem.
I have a Celeron 1200@1536 cooled with a homemade watercooling that works good enough for this computer. My motherboeard is Tusl2-c and I have 256 Mosel Pc133 RAM.

I have done the vid mod and that was no problem at all.
But when i try to set the motherboard to 133/133/33 or 133/100/33, I sometimes go into Windows but then I get bsod.

What can be wrong? I have a feeling that the CPU can go much higher. It is a Malaysia Celeron.

[The Doors]

Hi SwedeDude, welcome to the Forum,
Supposing that the Cpu temp is right (not above 40-45 degree C @full load) like the voltage too (what's the Vcore now?) try to set the most conservative mem timings, Cas & Ras delay @3....and rise the mem voltage to 3.4 or better 3.5v.

I hope it helps you :)

[SwedeDude]

Thanks!

I did what you said and that didn't help. My memory is guranteed to work in Cas 2 at 133Mhz so I don't think the memory is the problem here.

I have tiried all voltages between original to 1.825 and it's at 1.775 and 1.825 i can go into Windows sometimes.

My fulload temp is below 40 degrees. Will be better when I get My 2 120mm Papst fans. :)

BTW. You guys don't know a good place that have "cheap" Eheim pumps that I can get shipped to Sweden?

[The Doors]

Plz, are you using only one mem module, or two?
For the Eheim pumps post a topic into the cooling section for a fast reply ;)

[SwedeDude]

I'm using 2 128MB modules.

[The Doors]

OK, do you have tried using only one mem modules?
Generally it's better, coz if with only one mem module the system can go, for example @150Mhz, it's very very difficult that it works at the same speed with two mem modules, so I'll try it, hoping that works ;)

[SwedeDude]

Yeah I have tried that and that didn't help either.

I have also tried setteng the memory to 100Mhz, but the memory is 133. No diffrent result!

Thanks for answering so fast, btw.

[The Doors]

You're welcome SwedeDude,
You have only to wait for a while, and other Guys & Gals on the Forum will give you more support ;) this is really a Great Gang :)

Good Luck!

[ol' man]

Well what kind of PSU are your using? That could be part of the problem! Also you need to make sure your divider is where it is supposed to be!

[SwedeDude]

I have a 250W, Aopen PSU.

No fans at all.
One 60Gig IBM 60GXP harddrive.
One cd-burner and one cd-rom.
That's it!

[Yodums]

Originally posted by SwedeDude
I have a 250W, Aopen PSU.

No fans at all.
One 60Gig IBM 60GXP harddrive.
One cd-burner and one cd-rom.
That's it!

PSU IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM IN THIS CASE!


Your PSU is too weak itself without the CPU is too weak since the HDD suck alot of power especially the IBM's and burners as well.


Consider getting yourself a 400watt or 350watt Enermax or something.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Spammer


PSU IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM IN THIS CASE!


Your PSU is too weak itself without the CPU is too weak since the HDD suck alot of power especially the IBM's and burners as well.


Consider getting yourself a 400watt or 350watt Enermax or something.

Yep the problem is definatly your aopen PSU.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by ol' man


Yep the problem is definatly your aopen PSU.

I was even surprised it overclocked and everything

[jhoremans]

Got mine working at 1.6 gig- must be luck
voltage 1.575
1 stick of ram
runs about 40 degrees C
Abit ST6R board...
Looks good in WinXP
:)
When I initially set up with a 250 watt PS, the board would not boot, but it would boot an 800 Celeron OK.
Getting a new case with 300W PS was the answer.

It certainly looks like at least a 300w PS will not be a waste of money.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by jhoremans
Got mine working at 1.6 gig- must be luck
voltage 1.575
1 stick of ram
runs about 40 degrees C
Abit ST6R board...
Looks good in WinXP
:)
When I initially set up with a 250 watt PS, the board would not boot, but it would boot an 800 Celeron OK.
Getting a new case with 300W PS was the answer.

It certainly looks like at least a 300w PS will not be a waste of money.

You got a good chip and this is why I have been saying that one get a good 300~350w PSU for this chip as it needs it.

[SwedeDude]

Ok, then I'll get me a new PSU.

Stupid me always thought that Intel worked fine with weak PSU's.

My brother has a 300W and only a Celeron 700. I can take his and put mine in his computer instead. :)

[Ankfoot]

well, it could be the psu, but really.. often people say it's ther psu when it isnt.. so.. take a closer look.

im running a tbird 1.4, 2x60gxp ibm drives, gf2 pro, cdburner,cd,120mm fan,lotsa other tiny fans,soundcard, 2xnics,


@ a 250watt psu from like -98 :P (well it's pretty old)

[mockingbird]

BTW. You guys don't know a good place that have "cheap" Eheim pumps that I can get shipped to Sweden?

You gotta be kidding me! Eheim is a German company that makes aquarium pumps/filters. Since they base their establishment in Germany and export to US/Canada I'm guessing that you should have it much more readily available than anyone in the US. Just visit any local aquarium shop and they will have Eheim products (Which are very high quality, I can vouch for that as I have been nothing but happy for the two large aquarium canister filters I have. Don't buy Fluval if you see it there, noisy and unreliable).

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ankfoot
well, it could be the psu, but really.. often people say it's ther psu when it isnt.. so.. take a closer look.

im running a tbird 1.4, 2x60gxp ibm drives, gf2 pro, cdburner,cd,120mm fan,lotsa other tiny fans,soundcard, 2xnics,


@ a 250watt psu from like -98 :P (well it's pretty old)


Umm well since I have known 4 people besides myself have problems with a 250w PSU for this celery I would tend to think that is the major problem. I have never seen anyone hit 1600MHz with a 250w PSU and the celery.

[SwedeDude]

I will buy a new Enermax PSU and see if it help's.

[The Doors]

Considering that your brother just have a 300W PS, why you don't try with that PS, and after consider to go with a new one?

Cheaper & Faster ;)

[SwedeDude]

Originally posted by The Doors
Considering that your brother just have a 300W PS, why you don't try with that PS, and after consider to go with a new one?

Cheaper & Faster ;)

Yeah, you're probably right. But will 300W do the work? Is it that big diffrence between 250 and 300?

[The Doors]

It's very difficult to say haven't tried, but looking to the other replys, well, this seems to be the prob, or can be your chip that won't go so higher, but I've to disagree with this thesis :)
I've a very similar prob with my Cellie 900, it works rock stable @124Mhz, but not @133, when a lot of guys & gals have got this OC, and much more, with the same chip, so my prob can be the Mobo, but works with a P/// @133, or the PS, and I'm using a Macron 300w! :mad:

[doer]

ol'man wrote:

"Umm well since I have known 4 people besides myself have problems with a 250w PSU for this celery I would tend to think that is the major problem. I have never seen anyone hit 1600MHz with a 250w PSU and the celery."

...

Well I could run Cel1.2Ghz w/ 250W psu @1600, 1.825V, BUT occassionally one of my Raid-1 array drives "dropped off" when loading to Windows and had to be rebuild. I don't know if it is straight related to psu or to cpu overheating/low voltage. (I got modified Powerleap adapter and Abit vt6x4)

Unluckily I found out that I could reach the 1.6Ghz (1.825V) only with case and window open giving cool air into cpu cooler... BUT it ran almost 12 hours Prime (it doesn't stress hdd's etc. though). Components: cd-rom 50x, Promise IDE-raid card, 2x ide hdd, 2x 3com lan-card, geforce2mx, many case coolers and ~7000rpm cpufan...

Though it might be also that I can't get enough voltage to cpu and it doesn't run 1.825 but lower.. but I haven't tested another psu either.

[jhoremans]

Originally posted by The Doors
Considering that your brother just have a 300W PS, why you don't try with that PS, and after consider to go with a new one?

Cheaper & Faster ;)

I DO KNOW that in my case the older 250W does not even boot the Cel1.2, and the new 300w supply runs it at 1.6

That's not to say the PS is the problem, just that it could be!

As you all likely know, all PS are not built to the same standards, so some 250W of higher quality may work. Mine was generic and did not.

There is substantial difference in the 5v/3.3v wattage for the 250 and 300W supplies- even between 250 watters alone. The 5v/3.3 v portion is usually combined and rated together. Better supplies have them separated. An as the speed of the CPU rises, it is obvious that the current required rises - and the ol' 250 may not make the grade.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by doer
ol'man wrote:

"Umm well since I have known 4 people besides myself have problems with a 250w PSU for this celery I would tend to think that is the major problem. I have never seen anyone hit 1600MHz with a 250w PSU and the celery."

...

Well I could run Cel1.2Ghz w/ 250W psu @1600, 1.825V, BUT occassionally one of my Raid-1 array drives "dropped off" when loading to Windows and had to be rebuild. I don't know if it is straight related to psu or to cpu overheating/low voltage. (I got modified Powerleap adapter and Abit vt6x4)

Unluckily I found out that I could reach the 1.6Ghz (1.825V) only with case and window open giving cool air into cpu cooler... BUT it ran almost 12 hours Prime (it doesn't stress hdd's etc. though). Components: cd-rom 50x, Promise IDE-raid card, 2x ide hdd, 2x 3com lan-card, geforce2mx, many case coolers and ~7000rpm cpufan...

Though it might be also that I can't get enough voltage to cpu and it doesn't run 1.825 but lower.. but I haven't tested another psu either.

Yeah well dude not all PSU's are created equal!

Most 250w are wussies when it comes to AMD's and these new celeries above 1600MHz. Figured you would have known this if you had been reading many of the different threads here. For me a 250w would not even boot my chip at 1500MHz but the 300w was just fine. That is my experience and I am sticking to it. Best to simply try your old 250w and if it don;t cut it then get a better one.

[doer]

yea u're right ol'man about different psu:s :)

I think my psu is maybe 2-3 years old... 250W Macase or something. And it could boot at 1680+ too, but couldn't load into Windows. I guess it's not psu related then that I can't get it running @ 1600 cause it can still boot with higher Mhz...

[soil]

if the o/c still doesn't work after upgrading the PSU, the next and last steo is super-cool and extra-high Vcore, first with peltier. So you may want to buy a more powerful PSU, say, 400W

sorry, I still believe in peltier :D

[SwedeDude]

I have built my watercooling system almost myself and it didn't cost much. And it's working good! :)

I wont buy a pelt and some other "extreme" expencive stuff just for 100Mhz.

But thanks for the tip! :)

[SwedeDude]

I just installed my brothers 300w PSU and it still doesn't work.

In the PSU it says: +5V & +3.3V combined load 160W
Total output 300W max.

Is this good or bad?

Is it wort taking a chance in buying a 340w Enermax or 400w?

[The Doors]

It seems to be good,
how many 'Ampere' can give on the +12v, and which brand is this PS?

[jhoremans]

my PS says 165w combined 5v/3.3

My guess is that it wont make any difference. You need luck to get the 1.2 to 1.6 1.4 or 1.5 ain't so bad :rolleyes:

[SwedeDude]

Originally posted by The Doors
It seems to be good,
how many 'Ampere' can give on the +12v, and which brand is this PS?

10 A, I think it is.
The brand is JNC. Some cheap **** he just bought to get his computer running.

[The Doors]

And probably 30A on the +5v like mine,
well, now really I don't know what to say :confused:
you can try to go with a good PS 350w (like an Enermax), or use for some days your Cpu at the rated speed with the max voltage possible, and look if it helps to get 1.6Ghz.

[SwedeDude]

Yeah 30A at 5V.

You meen 1200Mhz at 1.825 voltage?

Should i be running Prime 95 or anything?

[The Doors]

Yes, you can go with Prime95 or Folding@home or Seti@home or anykind of program that load the Cpu @100%, but take attenction to the temps!!!

[SwedeDude]

Thanks man. I will try it and se if it works.

You think it's the CPU and not the PSU?

[The Doors]

Well, considering that a cheaper PS 300w is enough for an AMD TB or XP+, why not for a Cellie, even if @1.6Ghz?
but this is just my point of wiev...Good Luck my friend :)

[SwedeDude]

Thanks!

[soil]

Originally posted by SwedeDude

I have tiried all voltages between original to 1.825 and it's at 1.775 and 1.825 i can go into Windows sometimes.



looks like Vcore is the key, it may need 1,85 or 1,9?

[SwedeDude]

Can't go that high

[ol' man]

Originally posted by SwedeDude
Can't go that high

Uhhhh, yeah you can! With the wire trick you can hit 1.85v.

A 1.825v setting in the bios gives a 1.85v setting in reality. Just as a 133fsb setting in the bios gives a 134fsb setting in reality. Just as the tusl2 does not have a 134fsb setting at all which is a little weird.

[SwedeDude]

Ok, but with voltage on max and with the vid trick I can't go higher then 1536Mhz.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by SwedeDude
Ok, but with voltage on max and with the vid trick I can't go higher then 1536Mhz.

Yah well once again you do not have 1/4 dividers with that board! I have said this over and over again. That board stinks man, sorry that is the way it is!

[riscracer]

I got my Celeron 1200 running absolut stabil @ 1628 Mhz/ 135 FSB / 1,6VCore on Abit ST-6 MB. During overclocking I noticed that the CPU will only make that speed using 3:3:1 divider (135CPU/135RAM/46PCI), while setting the divider to 4:4:1 prevents the CPU from booting at all. The very high PCI/AGP Bus doesn't make any problems at all, tested by looping Sandra Burn-In-Wizard, Seti@Home and 3dMark2001 at the same time for about 24 hours without any crashes, even not back to desktop. It seems as bad SDRAM (Infineon PC-133 CL3) sets the limit to 135FSB. Using better SDRAM (MCI PC-150 CL-2) which I rent from a friend the system will boot into windows @ >1700Mhz, but I still haven't tested stability at these settings. Notice that this is only possible - which I can't understand - by using 3:3:1 dividers, using 4:4:1 or 4:3:1 divider the system will do nothing. Perhaps you should use these low dividers to reach higher Mhz-Ratings, but keep in mind, that it depends much from ur PCI-components and graphics if the system will do it. Also you should have good system cooling. I'm using Chieftec CS-601 MidiServer & 4*YS-Tech 80mm fan keeping system @ 37°C under full load.

[Flu!d]

Is your St-6 a raid board?

[MaxFSB]

I just tried the 3:3:1 divider suggestion on my Cel 1.2 / ST6 running at 132 FSB semi-stable at 1.6Vcore. Something is not right though.... CPU-Z is reporting my mem freq at 100MHz instead of 132. FSB is running at 132. Need to check into this further. Could it be the BIOS is not allowing the mem bus to run higher than 132 using the 3:3:1 divider setting? Please check your mem bus speed and report back, will do the same here. Also found its harder to get back into the bios at 3:3:1 132, only way is to clear the bios manually using the jumber.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Flu!d
Is your St-6 a raid board?

The ST6 isn't raid.

But there's a raid version, but I heard it doesn't support the Tualatin chip(Not sure about that) :confused:


Yodums
(-:

[ol' man]

Originally posted by riscracer
I got my Celeron 1200 running absolut stabil @ 1628 Mhz/ 135 FSB / 1,6VCore on Abit ST-6 MB. During overclocking I noticed that the CPU will only make that speed using 3:3:1 divider (135CPU/135RAM/46PCI), while setting the divider to 4:4:1 prevents the CPU from booting at all. The very high PCI/AGP Bus doesn't make any problems at all, tested by looping Sandra Burn-In-Wizard, Seti@Home and 3dMark2001 at the same time for about 24 hours without any crashes, even not back to desktop. It seems as bad SDRAM (Infineon PC-133 CL3) sets the limit to 135FSB. Using better SDRAM (MCI PC-150 CL-2) which I rent from a friend the system will boot into windows @ >1700Mhz, but I still haven't tested stability at these settings. Notice that this is only possible - which I can't understand - by using 3:3:1 dividers, using 4:4:1 or 4:3:1 divider the system will do nothing. Perhaps you should use these low dividers to reach higher Mhz-Ratings, but keep in mind, that it depends much from ur PCI-components and graphics if the system will do it. Also you should have good system cooling. I'm using Chieftec CS-601 MidiServer & 4*YS-Tech 80mm fan keeping system @ 37°C under full load.

That is definatly very odd as I don't see the ST6 being able to run a 46MHz PCI! I have data corruption with those fsb's on my st6! I accidently left the dividers at 1/3 when I booted at 136fsb. I had to go into the win2k data restore program and redo the boot sector. It is a DOS prompt utility. Anyway I would maybe try to put in the older bios or maybe redo that bios. Maybe even a newer one. It would be best to tell what bios you have! I have the second to newest one and have had no problems with this bios/board what so ever. I am running my cel-t at 1500MHz/125fsb 4:4:1 dividers vcore @ 1.7v. I can run this chip at 1.625v but at the moment I am going to keep it here as I know for sure it is absolutely stable here. In the past I couldn't get it to even boot at 1.6v but now it does. Not sure what the deal is but it is fine with me.

Honestly I think maybe your bios is messed up some how cause I am thinking it would be the other way around. DO you have the onboard dippys where they are supposed to be?The only on board dippy I have at the ON position is the #4 dipswitch.

[riscracer]

Using 3:3:1 dividers my memory bus is exactly at FSB frequency (135=135).