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I am considering switching to sbc's/at&t's dsl services from comcast.
I do have one question though, I use clear qam through comcasts line for tv. When i cancel my cable internet from comcast would they disconnect my line physically as well?
(I only receive cable internet)
RJARRRPCGP
01-17-08, 03:45 PM
You should get better service with DSL, if you have a locally owned or ran ISP!
If the ISP isn't locally owned or ran, then you have to see for yourself, but sounds like it can be better.
Been hearing bad things about Comcast, about P2P packets silently blocked or corrupted intentionally! :mad:
It seems that Comcast mostly is focused on money.
With Comcast, expect the uploads to be capped at 384 kbps unless you break your wallet!
This makes me suspect another financial scandal again!
It appears Comcast is just Adelphia with a different name! :mad:
You should get better service with DSL, if you have a locally owned or ran ISP!
If the ISP isn't locally owned or ran, then you have to see for yourself, but sounds like it can be better.
Been hearing bad things about Comcast, about P2P packets silently blocked or corrupted intentionally!
It seems that Comcast mostly is focused on money.
Seems to just be Adelphia with a new name! :mad:
Well Im not concerned that the dsl will be better, its sbc/at&t, where i work has it and host a few servers and it works flawlessly. I want to host a few servers too and not worry about bandwidth usage (i have been warned once, they cut off my service for a few hours until i called them). I know its against comcasts tos for servers but they do filter packets for ftp/http/mail.
I am more concerned will they disconnect the line from the outside to my house, because the tv is awesome with clear qam in high def. (just got rid of the antenna because it would get glitchy with bad weather).
RJARRRPCGP
01-17-08, 03:57 PM
I know its against comcasts tos for servers but they do filter packets for ftp/http/mail.
Didn't Comcast allow servers a good while ago?
I suspect Comcast changed the TOS, because they want to mimic Adelphia's TOS! :mad:
According to an old post, likely a sticky, at ocforums, Comcast allowed servers for non-profit uses. Guess we can say goodbye to that! :mad:
Didn't Comcast allow servers a good while ago?
I suspect Comcast changed the TOS, because they want to mimic Adelphia's TOS! :mad:
According to an old post, likely a sticky, at ocforums, Comcast allowed servers for non-profit uses. Guess we can say goodbye to that! :mad:
Maybe on the business connection?
RJARRRPCGP
01-17-08, 04:14 PM
Maybe on the business connection?
But that may cost way more than it's worth!
But that may cost way more than it's worth!
Oh I am sure it does, thats why I am not considering it. Does anyone know the answer to my original question though? When comcast disconnects me, will they disconnect the line to my house also?
When they turn off the Internet, your TV is going to go too.
Unless they are REALLY lazy.
EDIT:
Technically and legally, since they did not trap their line, you are still stealing cable. It may be freely broadcasted channels and all, but Comcast contractors are always in a hurry and almost never trap their lines. You're taking service that isn't being paid for, regardless of the incompetent contractor.
If they only kill the MAC for your modem and don't turn the cable off at the distribution box, you will still receive QAM stations. Just don't get caught using it when a real Comcast van comes to check on them.
When they turn off the Internet, your TV is going to go too.
Unless they are REALLY lazy.
EDIT:
Technically and legally, since they did not trap their line, you are still stealing cable. It may be freely broadcasted channels and all, but Comcast contractors are always in a hurry and almost never trap their lines. You're taking service that isn't being paid for, regardless of the incompetent contractor.
If they only kill the MAC for your modem and don't turn the cable off at the distribution box, you will still receive QAM stations. Just don't get caught using it when a real Comcast van comes to check on them.
I believe by law they are required to provide these channels? (ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS) and it is not stealing? They are exactly what i got over the air through my antenna, except i needed something else because the weather would make it go in and out every so often and it would become very annoying.
FireMogle
01-17-08, 06:48 PM
I believe by law they are required to provide these channels? (ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS) and it is not stealing? They are exactly what i got over the air through my antenna, except i needed something else because the weather would make it go in and out every so often and it would become very annoying.
AFAIK they don't, in fact here basic cable($12/mo) is just broadcast.
AFAIK they don't, in fact here basic cable($12/mo) is just broadcast.
I believe they do, thats why they broadcast it over the air as well. (for free)
hank123
01-18-08, 02:53 AM
yes you can kiss your free cable good by.
man cable tv is to easy. did I say to much?
makes me think of the old days of cable internet. when you could see your neighbors computers too.
You have to pay for basic cable to get those channels legally. If you don't have a basic cable charge on your bill, you're stealing those channels. The only way to get them completely free is an ATSC antenna.
RJARRRPCGP
01-18-08, 09:09 AM
You have to pay for basic cable to get those channels legally. If you don't have a basic cable charge on your bill, you're stealing those channels. The only way to get them completely free is an ATSC antenna.
But, would a monstrous antenna be required?
Unless you live on a high elevation?
It depends on how close you are to the broadcast stations and how much juice their pumping.
Antennaweb.org is an excellent site to see recommendations for antennas and what your area has as far as broadcast umbrellas.
I've been able to pick up 5-6 HD OTA channels using a small amplified antenna before and I'm about 2-30 miles away from the originations, in a cul de sac of a subdivision surrounded by hills, trees, and other homes. It wasn't until I discovered what I could get over QAM that I got a HDHomeRun and subscribed to basic service. I can get about 40 digital channels now.
Usually when line-of-site isn't possible, a good omni-directional antenna is the way to go.
Unless you have a TV built after 2003, you will not be able to get any TV over an antenna after 2009. That's when all TV converts from analog to digital.
Unless you have a TV built after 2003, you will not be able to get any TV over an antenna after 2009. That's when all TV converts from analog to digital.
I was getting high def over my antenna. I know this.
DirtSandwich
02-02-08, 02:17 AM
You should get better service with DSL, if you have a locally owned or ran ISP!
If the ISP isn't locally owned or ran, then you have to see for yourself, but sounds like it can be better.
This is untrue. You still go through the telco's dslam, you are then routed to a pvc that the ISP rents from the telco, but they run. This leads to their authentication server (in whatever form they decide to use). This could be anything from a SINGLE T1 to a DS1 and sometimes a DS3. it's rare that you will find a 'local' ISP who has the cash to get something even as large as an OC3. This is where ALL of your throughput comes from so if the dude running an ISP from his garage runs out of cash but has too many ATM's on his PVC well... you got slow speeds. Most telcos are able to maintain their infrastructure significantly faster than "Jim-Bob's Internets!"
Unless you want that ISP's email address, what's the point? If it breaks they are still going to tell you to call your telco to get it fixed (and may even do that if it IS their problem).
RJARRRPCGP
02-13-08, 08:58 PM
This is untrue. You still go through the telco's dslam, you are then routed to a pvc that the ISP rents from the telco, but they run. This leads to their authentication server (in whatever form they decide to use). This could be anything from a SINGLE T1 to a DS1 and sometimes a DS3. it's rare that you will find a 'local' ISP who has the cash to get something even as large as an OC3. This is where ALL of your throughput comes from so if the dude running an ISP from his garage runs out of cash but has too many ATM's on his PVC well... you got slow speeds. Most telcos are able to maintain their infrastructure significantly faster than "Jim-Bob's Internets!"
Unless you want that ISP's email address, what's the point? If it breaks they are still going to tell you to call your telco to get it fixed (and may even do that if it IS their problem).
LOL. Not true. The ISP I have also is a telco.
DirtSandwich
02-13-08, 11:11 PM
LOL. Not true. The ISP I have also is a telco.
It is true. I work for my ISP, and we are a telco.... an ILEC
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