WTF IS GOING ON WITH MY Ti

[Mojoman]

Okay, I am somewhat confused as t owhat the hell my video cards specs should be.

Why?

Well. okay lets start The box reads 'SuperGrace Electronics' 'Geforce 2 GTS Pro' ' TITANIUM EDITION'

"nVIDIA Geforce2 GTS PRO chipset"
"32/64MB SDR/DDR, 128-bit interface'
"Memory clock up to 190mhz"
"Core clock up to 200mhz"

It appears the packaging is obviously not what the product inside is.

Oh hello - the box had a slip of paper inside...

'nVIDIA GEFORCE 2 Ti USERS MANUAL' (Users Manual? Its 1 piece of A4!!!)

it reads:

"nVIDIA Geforce 2 Ti chipset"
"32/64MB SDR/SGR/DDR, 128-bit interface"
"Memory clock up to 200mhz"
"Core clock up to 250mhz"

Hmm okay that sounds normal - my understanding of DDR is that 2x200(memory speed)= 400mhz.

This thing is definately a Ti - on bootup the video bios shows Geforce 2 Ti AGP 32MB - hmm and also an Aopen logo - wtf??? And Sisoft Sandra reports the hardware id as Geforce2 GTS DDR - no its not a GTS - Windows detects it as a Ti - which was what it was supposed to be on ebuyer.com - argh IM SO CONFUSED! Nvidia.com also appears to group the Pro/GTS/Ti series together so...

Okay lets check out the speeds on the card.

"Core clock up to 250mhz" - yep thats fine it is running at 250mhz...
"Memory clock up to 200mhz" - WTF - err it says 329mhz (see screen dumps below)

http://members.tripod.co.uk/Mojo_/geforce.jpg
App can be found at www.guru3d.com btw

http://members.tripod.co.uk/Mojo_/bus.jpg
eh?

*TRIPOD HOST SO SLOW D/L OF ABOVE PIX*

It shows up as 329 in all tweaking products i have tested - including the nVIDIA "coolbits" tab in the Advanced Display Properties - I assure you this is 100% default values...

Now tell me. If this is DDR - this should give me 2x329 = 658 - but I know thats not possible. So whats going on? Is this number already been doubled? 330/2 = 162 (NOOOOOO)

OR - have i been sent a SDR or SGR (what is SGR - i have no idea) version by mistake? OR is this actually DDR and i should knock it up to 400 (max is 415)...

If you want to have a peek at what i actually got goto ebuyer.com - or the manufacturer www.supergrace.com (wow not .com.tw!!!)

Anyway please - all you long-time Geforce2 owners who dont talk out of their rectums please reply - and multiple replies i dont want 1 person saying bump it up and no other confirmations...

Well what can I say... The performance is alright i suppose - although i think my crappy mobo + duron 900 need replacing to see the full power...


Once again, thank you kind geniuses in advance! IM SO CONFUSED!!!

[Monaco]

so- what are the clock speeds of this card out of the box? that is all that determines what kind of card it is.

Geforce2 GTS= 200 core, 333 memory(166DDR)
Geforce2 GTS PRO- 200 core, 400 memory(200DDR)
Geforce2 Ti- 250 core, 400 memory (200DDR)

from what you said, it looks like you got a card clocked at GTS levels.

GF2 Ti cards seem to have rather fast memory on them, so while it appears that they aren't too much hotter than a GTS or Pro they should be able to OC to much higher levels.

A "Titanium Edition" GF2 is not necesarily the same as a GF2 Ti. I'd get in touch with whoever you got it from, see what the deal is.

[Mojoman]

So basically ive been ripped off. Look im not stupid but i expected to recieve what the description says - 400mhz , not 330.

Hmmmmm.

And before you say its crap - its all i can afford.

WTF. Okay the description has changed.

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=30405

NOW it says 190 mem and 200 core? argh im on 250 core and 330 mem - bleeeh whats going on - okay so basically you are sayign its a GTS - but its core is 250, the VGA bios bootup clearly indicates Geforce2 Ti Chipset. Windows detects it as a Geforce2 Ti.

Right.

So basically its a 'GTS Pro' with a boosted 250 core? This is all a bit funny to me - the performance is great - but if i am supposed to have better - then i would obviously like it...

Wait. Whats that. http://www.supergrace.com/i_vga/sggpa32d.htm
now does that above link or does it not say it is DDR 2x200mhz (400)? oh ffs it says up to...

Hmm okay this looks like my card - without the TITANIUM on the front

oh bugger. It looks like ebuyer.com have confused the Titanium Edition with Geforce 2 Ti (still doesnt explain the Video BIOS or windows detection...), this cheap arse company are simply trying to fool people by making it a TITANIUM EDITION, but it clearly says bleh

RIGHT THATS IT I AM GOING TO TAKE IT BACK - AND ORDER A HERCULES 3d PROPHET 4500 64MB - Anyone see any performance problems, details i should know before i buy this?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=29718

thx

[Monaco]

looks like you got a non-reference card. Sometimes companies release cards with their own special clock settings to help them stand out from the pack. Usually just gets confusing unfortunately.

I have never ever heard of Supergrace before- are these a local company to you? As for 'Ebuyer', well, they have 3 separate entries at www.resellerratings.com, and none of them are good. This might be a case of caveat emptor, and that sucks. Sounds like you really thought you were buying something different from what they sold you.

I would personally return it, and then get a replacement from a reputable vendor-NOT ebuyer, they already screwed you once right?

The 4500 is a neat card, it has all the pluses and minuses of the Kyro2 chipset- but it won't be as fast as a genuine Ti, or even a GTS for that matter. The price is right tho. Read up on the chipset, see if it is right for you.

[Mojoman]

No i dont think that ebuyer conned me - i think they misinturpreted that this card - its a TITANIUM EDITION GTS not a Ti - but stil lthis is rather f***ed up. The UR - in my last post -pointing to supergrace.com - clearly states 400mhz - not 330.

Either way im gonna take it back (or maybe legal action :D hmm) and i probably wont get that 4500 seeign as you said the performance is worse than a GTS so... hmm well im kinda buggered - i dont suppose anyone can suggest any decent sites? Please note - im in England so....

The thing is that 4500 is the same price as that GTS/Ti/something card i jsut got and well i want decent performance.

So the core is at 250 - oaky thats nice. the mem is at 333 - what would i be able to get this to? (166 DDR) or should i return it oh i dont know :(

[Rooski]

What are you waiting for? Just up the memory clock a bit at a time, and see what she'll do. There's a chance you can get that memory clock near, or at 400. You won't know till you try it.

You may have gotten what you paid for, after all.

[Monaco]

straight up, rooski may have the right idea!

I got my GTS's memory up to 424mhz, up from 333. It's like a whole new card. Didn't need any crazy cooling or anything either. 400 at least should be easy.

And dude, the 4500 is a totally different kind of card then the GF2 types. The weird Tile-based rendering and all. It barely moves in some games, and destroys even a GF2 Ultra on others. It also has great picture quality.

Read this and see if it's right for you-
4500 review at Dan's Data.com. (http://www.dansdata.com/prophet4500.htm)