Am I doing this right?

[thideras]

I got my shiny new QX9650 running at a solid 4.0ghz. Runs great! :D

I was told these quads put out around 6k PPD....but this is doing two 1270 point work units a day....way lower than what I was told.

It pulls about 6mins a frame (don't know what work unit, not at home).

I'm running on the Windows SMP as of now.

Is this right?

:sn: edit: I don't have the -smp flag on...not sure if that is used in the Windows version.

[benbaked]

Windows is the first problem. Install Linux if possible. :D Also, you may want to run dual vmwares as many appear to get higher PPD out of their quads this way. I have not done this personally, but many on the team have to great success. Here's (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=494925) one such thread that may be helpful.

[dfonda]

Yeah like Ben says. Winxp with 2 Vmware's running Linux and then 1 regular client to use up any left over proc. is the way their getting that max PPD.

[harlam357]

No -smp flag on the Windows SMP client... and in a 2x VMWare setup you just may push 6k ppd. If not, it'll be close. :)

[thideras]

No -smp flag on the Windows SMP client... and in a 2x VMWare setup you just may push 6k ppd. If not, it'll be close. :)I would absolutely LOVE to run linux on this computer, I just have to work out the kinks.

If anyone would be willing to help me, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm not linux stupid, so I know my way around, but I sometimes just don't know what to do! :D

I'll give it a run and see what I can do ;). Basically, I'll fire up a live CD and see what I get for PPD.

I will look at that tonight if I can, currently still at work. Other office closed due to snow and I volunteered to work overtime, yay. :rolleyes:

[dfonda]

Actually you run 2 Linux's in 2 Vmware's all in the Winxp install you have now.

[thideras]

Actually you run 2 Linux's in 2 Vmware's all in the Winxp install you have now.I know, but that is the easy way out ;)

I've wanted to go full blown linux (besides gaming) for quite some time now :D

:sn: edit: Plus, VMWare really slows my computer down :(

[dfonda]

Well no I just mean for max ppd thats what has to be done, certainly running straight Linux is much easier on your system and less ppd(Tho still a ton).

I quit VMware myself for the same reason, its my main household rig. Heck I can run Tiger Woods golf and fold SMP in the background.

Have you decided on a Distro? I have one rig on Ubuntu 7.10 and the other on 7.04. I like it and even the kid and the wife use them.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=494925&highlight=installing+vmware

[thideras]

Is it less PPD because it doesn't use 100% of the processor? If so, I could run two clients (no problem with that) or a SMP and a single core....

[jmsanders2]

WAIT! Do I hear right? Yes, hmm, yes... Thideras is struggling :)!

Also, this thread will help me do the same this weekend with linux so thanks for the help guys lol :)

[dfonda]

I don't know that you can run dual SMP in straight Linux.

[dfonda]

If you guys are going to use Ubuntu..its as easy as pie and I'll post the link.

Here is Adak's excellent guide. (I am reading through it to make sure its up to date) OOps one of the links is bad. I'll find it.

Choose the 64 bit version http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

The nice thing is you run it off the CD till you decide if you like it or not. I folded for 6 months off the CD when a hard drive failed.:)

ADAK need your help guide needs links fixed! Thanks!!:beer:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=508568&highlight=ubuntu+smp

[thideras]

WAIT! Do I hear right? Yes, hmm, yes... Thideras is struggling :)!

Also, this thread will help me do the same this weekend with linux so thanks for the help guys lol :)Sounds like you are too :beer:

ITS ON :cool:

[WarriorII]

ITS ON :cool:

Like Donkey Kong ? :eek:

:D

[cw823]

Is it less PPD because it doesn't use 100% of the processor? If so, I could run two clients (no problem with that) or a SMP and a single core....

It is less PPD ONLY if you get assigned to the Quad-Only Server....those 306* WUs are killer on your PPD (bad). Thus the two VMs running Ubuntu

[thideras]

It is less PPD ONLY if you get assigned to the Quad-Only Server....those 306* WUs are killer on your PPD (bad). Thus the two VMs running UbuntuI see says the blind man...I'll check that now :D

Not sure what one this is :confused:

Current Work Unit
-----------------
Name: Protein in POPC
Tag: -
Download time: February 6 16:04:47
Due time: February 10 16:04:47
Progress: 86% [||||||||__]


Like Donkey Kong ? :eek:

:D:cool:

[cw823]

I see says the blind man...I'll check that now :D

Not sure what one this is :confused:

Current Work Unit
-----------------
Name: Protein in POPC
Tag: -
Download time: February 6 16:04:47
Due time: February 10 16:04:47
Progress: 86% [||||||||__]
:cool:

When I first saw the title of this thread it reminded me of something I'd ask a girl I was dating.

[thideras]

When I first saw the title of this thread it reminded me of something I'd ask a girl I was dating.LOL:beer:

[Captain Newbie]

No, you are not, and you're going to destroy the project and the world along with it.

Oh, you mean, you asked an actual question. :)

Ubuntu is good for those who have no Linux experience, owing to its slow-but-superior automagic hardware detection.

[thideras]

Ubuntu is good for those who have no Linux experience, owing to its slow-but-superior automagic hardware detection.I see. I'd do Gentoo but I can never seem to do the bootloader correctly....:mad:

[Captain Newbie]

I see. I'd do Gentoo but I can never seem to do the bootloader correctly....:mad:

Well keep trying. ;)

[ChasR]

Running a unicpu client might work when running two vms in Win XP. I don't have anything to test it with and am skeptical. Perhaps the folks claiming a boost got a DGromac on the unicpu instance. Running a unicpu client along with two native Linux or Linux/VM/Linux instances can absolutley send production down the toilet, especially if you pick up a WU like p1487. 1000+ ppd loss of production.

[William Hung]

I'm running the same proc at 4.33 on air... the BEST way to do it as described above, 2 VM's running Linux in Windows... Straight linux gives ~5-5.5k ppd since you get the quad only units and only uses 70-50% of the proc. Dual VM's get things a little more warmer, and use 85% or so.
I'm still only at 58-59C at 4.33 GHz, but I don't want to push the volts much higher for 24/7 ops.

Nice proc and welcome to the QX9650 club. I'm gonna look at getting another here very soon :)

[benbaked]

vmware is available for linux, will the dual vm client method work in native linux?

[thideras]

I'm running the same proc at 4.33 on air... the BEST way to do it as described above, 2 VM's running Linux in Windows... Straight linux gives ~5-5.5k ppd since you get the quad only units and only uses 70-50% of the proc. Dual VM's get things a little more warmer, and use 85% or so.
I'm still only at 58-59C at 4.33 GHz, but I don't want to push the volts much higher for 24/7 ops.

Nice proc and welcome to the QX9650 club. I'm gonna look at getting another here very soon :)How the???? WOW, you have a very nice processor sir! :D

4.0 @ ~1.4, fully stable; can do 4.4 3d runs at 1.5.

I think I'll go with the dual vm ware idea...I'll tinker with that tonight.

YHPM also ;)

[thideras]

Well, I accidentally use my 64bit Gentoo live disc...worked great, but could NOT install it for the life of me. It would go to compile the kernel and just error out...checked the log and it says it didn't know what a command was (can't remember). Dropping Ubuntu back on (had to download the ISO's). Is there a known issue with Gentoo and VMWare?

I do think there is a compatibility issue with Gentoo and myself...can never get them to work together :-/

[thideras]

I win, got both Ubuntu systems up and folding...better run...

Currently pumping out 5.2k from just these Ubuntu folders...plus the single client running in Windows to take up the slack...plus another 6400 (and maybe another in the future)...PS3 and my laptop....RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN !!!! :D

[Adak]

Well, either our friend Thideras is a Vulcan and experiencing "Pawn Faar", or he got his new rig up and running, and he's *very* jazzed up about that. :D :D

Has anyone *actually* seen Thideras's ears? :p :p

[ChasR]

vmware is available for linux, will the dual vm client method work in native linux?
Yes. I have one Q6600 rig running Ubuntu/VMware/ 2 x Ubuntu. 4440 ppd @ 3.3 GHz.

[benbaked]

Yes. I have one Q6600 rig running Ubuntu/VMware/ 2 x Ubuntu. 4440 ppd @ 3.3 GHz.

Very nice. :)

[thideras]

Now I'm having an issue with VMWare. It runs fine, everything does.

When I fire up a game, it runs...MUCH slower than without VMWare running. I don't mean when it is folding, I mean if the program and services are running...without any OS running at all. It was making games unplayable.

Basically, it would stop every few seconds to load something off the hard drive...stopping the entire game.

Killed VMWare and services and it runs fine. I will not be running this on my computer as I had the same exact issue on my laptop. Gah, with these problems (gaming, uploading WU), I'm tempted to do a different DC... :-/

[harlam357]

I'd just run the WinSMP client and be done with it... IMO the 2xVMWare setup should only be used for dedicated ~ semi-dedicated Folders. I can't stand the way the VMWare services take 10 forevers to load up on boot. :mad: I won't infect my main/gaming box with VMWarez... :-/

[thideras]

I'd just run the WinSMP client and be done with it... IMO the 2xVMWare setup should only be used for dedicated ~ semi-dedicated Folders. I can't stand the way the VMWare services take 10 forevers to load up on boot. :mad: I won't infect my main/gaming box with VMWarez... :-/My sentiments exactly. That still doesn't fix my issue of when a work unit goes up, all connections halt (except internal) for 5 minutes...per computer.

I think I'm going to check out BOINC again, want to see how fast it goes :p

I'll still leave some computers folding though.

[harlam357]

I think I'm going to check out BOINC again, want to see how fast it goes :p

You'll be smoking so many alien radio waves those little green dudes will be calling you Marley. :D

[thideras]

You'll be smoking so many alien radio waves those little green dudes will be calling you Marley. :DHehehehehehe....:beer:

[ChasR]

To run dual vmware instances, on a machine you use, in windows you MUST set the priority of the process vmware-vmx.exe to low and while you're at it, set the affinity so that each of the two processes runs on two cpus. With priority set, VMware SMP behaves almost exactly like WinSMP, as far as backing out of the way goes. You will also need to limit ram available to each vm to a reasonable amount 512 MB or so to avoid paging on a 2 GB system. DOn't even think about 2 VMs on a 1 GB system. In Linux set nice to 13 or higher to have VM FAH behave like native Linux FAH.

[thideras]

To run dual vmware instances, on a machine you use, in windows you MUST set the priority of the process vmware-vmx.exe to low and while you're at it, set the affinity so that each of the two processes runs on two cpus. With priority set, VMware SMP behaves almost exactly like WinSMP, as far as backing out of the way goes. You will also need to limit ram available to each vm to a reasonable amount 512 MB or so to avoid paging on a 2 GB system. DOn't even think about 2 VMs on a 1 GB system. In Linux set nice to 13 or higher to have VM FAH behave like native Linux FAH.It would not allow me to change the priority of the VMWare's. Gave me "Access is denied".

I have 2gb...gave each system 384 (enough that it keep everything in memory), I setup the VMWare to keep everything in memory. With a game open, it was only using 1.3gb of memory....not much paging there.

But like I said earlier, it didn't matter if the VMWare OS's were running, it did it with them stopped...

[dfonda]

Bumping this to get an answer to thideras last question.

What causes the access denied when you go to change priority in task manager, I remeber having this problem but I can't remember the solution.

[cw823]

I would assume if the processes were running under a different username than the one logged in, like if you run it as a service and it's running under SYSTEM rather than your user. Just at thought.

[thideras]

I would assume if the processes were running under a different username than the one logged in, like if you run it as a service and it's running under SYSTEM rather than your user. Just at thought.Very very good point, let me check it. That would also explain why it says each one is using 256mb...but not showing in the performance tab.

[cw823]

Very very good point, let me check it. That would also explain why it says each one is using 256mb...but not showing in the performance tab.

Guess I had to think about that a whole month to answer....LOL. :(

[thideras]

Guess I had to think about that a whole month to answer....LOL. :(Got it :)

Thanks!