HX520W, P5K-E/WiFI-AP & Evga 8800GT 512 which power connectors to use?

[gamefan]

I am in assembly of my new pooter parts into an Antec Solo. Which cables go to the mobo and which go to the vid card (evga 8800GT 512, modular or sheathed from ps?

The 3 main cables in sheaths (which cannot be unplugged; not modular) coming out the Corsair ps is: a 24-pin (2x12; a 2x2 can be popped apart off), a 4-pin (2x2), and an 8-pin (2x4-solid).

The Corsair modular cables (not sheathed) comes with a couple seperate with the printing "PCI-E" on them: one end of each is a 6-pin (compatible to the 8800GT vid card power input) and the other end an identical 6-pin to the but also has a 2-pin with 2 individual wires that can be placed directly beside the 6-pin to become an 8-pin. Thats the ones labeled "PCI-E".

My mobo is a Asus P5K-E/WiFI-AP and it has a 24-pin (2x12) power in and a 8-pin in which now has (came with) a plastic cap covering 4 of the 8 holes.

The Corsair ps has only two types of modular connection types at the ps: (5) 5x1 and (2) 3x2.

So where do these 3 ps cables go and where/how to get a 6-pin power to 8800GT? There may be a best way too.

I've got 1 8800GT, 1 ATA-DVD, 1 old type floppy, 2 SATA 1 RAptors for RAID0, and a 80GB BAracuda, and a fan& light controller that takes a single 4-pin molex for F R Vid fans (120/120/92) w/ 3-pin pwr outs and 2 blue tubes. U120E S-Flex F with Fanmate, E6750, 2 x 1GB Balistix 6400s.

[Jas]

24 pin, goes into the mobo main power. The 8 pin (not labeled PCI-E) goes into the 8 pin power connector on your mother board, this should be up around near the CPU socket on the top of the board. (there might be a cover on 4 of the pins, remove it).

Use the Modular cable labled PCI-E to plug into the video card.

[gamefan]

ok
24 from ps to 24 in mobo
8 from ps to 8 in mobo (remove plastic mobo cover)
modualr 6 pin into vid card, where to connect to power? From the last 4 pin coming from ps [NO THAT DOESN'T FIT, SO], or a modular plug input at ps itself (6-pin; ignoring the +2 pins on modular cable)

that leaves the 2x2 permanent cable from ps unused and none of the other modular cables use a 2x2. So I can go ahead and tuck it away?

[BossBorot]

you will ether use the 2x2 or 2x4 to power you mobo along w/ the 24 not both. As for the video card you will need to connect a modular 6 pin to you psu.

Also as you are not going to use the 2x2 just hide it in you case somewhere

[gamefan]

you will ether use the 2x2 or 2x4 to power you mobo along w/ the 24 not both.

so it is the 2x4 then, as you said, no question involved.!?! THX

btw In the mobo manual theres an SPDIF mentioned to connect between the mobo and vid card. Is this for me?

[Jas]

Yes, the 2x4 Or the 8 connection plug. The 2x2 will be unused, tuck it way.

As for the PCI, yes plug the 6 connectors into your PSU and the other 6 into your card.

[gamefan]

no no i'M TALKING THE sONY/pHILIPS its a digital audio stuff I have never been familiar with computers. Even with home stereo I have had but never used that kinda stuff, always just used the L&Rs. But if its got it, I guess I could use it. Is it in there?

[gamefan]

One ribbon cable: set jumpers both CS or MS&SL?

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I just realised my Asus P5K-E/WIFI-AP mobo only has one EIDE connection (PRI_EIDE) and I have one DVD +RW and one HDD 80GB 7200.7 Cuda I need to connect to it. I wasgoing to use rounded cables, but I only have singles. Until I get a dual single rounded cable I will be using a ribbon cable, when I connect both drives on the same cable do I set the drives to CS cable select or if I know what they are gonna be, do I set them as master and slave and plug the ribbon cable in accordingly. IS there a benefit to setting the jumpers to MS and SL at the same time as using the ribbon cable?

The DVD won't get too much use, and the HDD is for storage only, not os boot,. I was gonna make the DVD master; good?

[Jas]

CS

[gamefan]

I had to dig out the bucket of old parts to find a dual ribbon with a long enough spread for both DVD and lower HDD suspension mount. How do I tell if they are the right kind ie 80 pins or whatever as opposed to something else?

IS it worth it to stop and get the real (eventually permanent) ones before I proceed?

[Jas]

You mean ribbon cables?

Plug the cable in, if it doesn't fit, it's the wrong one. Simple as that.

I would advise you to have all the necessary parts and hardware before completing your build.

[gamefan]

ok I went out and bought a $20 "Dynex" cable, 18" dual round, "Ultra ATA100, model DX-C101861." But it says "Three 40-Socket Connectors". The 2 devices I need it for are:

LG GSA-H10N DVD +RW 16x
Data Tranfer Rate: DVD: Max 22,160KB/s, CD: Max 7,200 KB/s

Seagate Baracuda 80GB 7200.7 HDD

while I am checking the whole of the internet for appropriate info, can anyone tell me what the diff is with 40 or 80 wires, and if this is going to apply to either of these 2 components on an Asus P5K-E/WiFi-AP mobo? Its all I could find locally without making a day of it, and I can take it back if inappropriate.

[Jas]

As far as 40 pin VS 80 pin, I think you are getting IDE and SCSI confused.

As far as you care, ATA 100 means IDE cable.

[gamefan]

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=How_To_Install_and_Troubleshoot_ATA_Hard_Driv es&vgnextoid=559e5b1142aec010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

this says

UltraATA 66/100/133 Considerations
If your new drive can support UltraATA 66/100/133 modes and you want to take advantage of these faster transfer rates, you will need the following:
A computer that supports UDMA Modes 3 and 4 (5 for UltraATA100, 6 for UltraATA133).
A 40-pin, 80-conductor cable (available from your dealer). This cable is provided with current UltraATA hard drive retail kits. It can be identified by its having a blue connector to connect to the motherboard, a grey connector to connect to the slave drive, and a black connector to connect to the master drive.
An Operating System that handles DMA transfer modes (Windows 95/98/Me/2000/XP).

besides that I just was told by a computer store person that 80 was da bomb I need 80. 80 it has to be. what is 40 ok. No 80. Somebody say 20. No Somebody said 40. Yes. Somebody said 80 needed. Yes. Difference. Know what I mean yet? I dunno why. Anybody? wikipedia.com here I come. If it were the same I think the box would say ATA133 too or just that. I dunno what if have need want.

[Jas]

Yes, it all gets confusing.

Howeve,r you have what you need.

[gamefan]

I am decked out you say.

I do know that the twist in the last sevral wires between the primary and secondary ribbon cable is used to determine which is pr and which is sec, but that can't be it.

http://www.dynexproducts.com/pc-157-7-dynex-18-ultra-ata100-round-cable.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment
under 2.5

reading

there is a difference and there is a reason. However I do not know if this applies to me at this moment - I'd just like to get this over with. But first I'm gonna have to find out what these 2 devices are transfering (talking) with eg DMA mode ATA, whateverthe*+&^*. This is not the first time I've had this problem with this, and I was able to get the 80s.

I know it would "work", but it may be limiting my mode or whatever

BTW FOR WHAT ITS WORTH if I want to keep my DVD on top of floppy / Vantec / Fanmate 5-1/4" slots, I need a minimum 16"

this is insane, the HDD
PIO/DMA/UDMA MODE (max) __________________4/2/5
but
INTERFACE ________________________________Ultra ATA/100

but then its probably best to take this that and the other into consideration.....

....better to buy the good one in the first place; unkless you already have one and know it wouldn't matter.

holy freakin freakolas. I called around and its only gonna set me back a few more hours, and a day. One guy say", DVD ok, HDD need 80."

[jason4207]

The 80 conductor cable only has 40-pins. The other 40 wires are ground, and allow higher transfer speeds (100/133).

The DVD drive on the same cable will limit the transfer speed to 33 any way, so it really is a mute point.

It is never advisable to have the HDD & DVD on the same cable b/c you are limiting your HDD speed.

$20 for a round IDE? You can get them for $2-5 online.

You can hook up the digital audio if you want. I didn't in my last build, and haven't noticed it yet. I think the audio signal can still travel over the IDE/Sata cable, but I'm really not sure.

[gamefan]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment#Two_devices_on_one_cable_-_speed_impact

"
Two devices on one cable - speed impact
There are many debates about how much a slow device can impact the performance of a faster device on the same cable. There is an effect, but the debate is confused by the blurring of two quite different causes, called here "Slowest Speed" and "One Operation at a Time".


"Slowest speed"
It is a common misconception that, if two devices of different speed capabilities are on the same cable, both devices' data transfers will be constrained to the speed of the slower device.
....
"One operation at a time"
...
"

I'd be lying if I said your comment didn't bother me, but thees only a one single (primary) E-IDE on this new Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi-AP mobo, for up to x devices.

I returned the $18 + tax Dynex 18" 40 "ATA-100" cable and got one for $8 80 18" multi-compatible vantec,
http://www.vantecusa.com/product-accessory.html
under
Rounded Cable,
IDE

[jason4207]

but thees only a one single (primary) E-IDE on this new Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi-AP mobo, for up to x devices.


That is why all my IDE HDDs are in an older PC on my network, and my new PC has only sata HDDs, and 2 optical IDE drives.

I can still access the older drives over the network, and I don't have any weird issues w/ my new rig.

You could get an external enclosure for your IDE HDD if you have no other use for it.

[gamefan]

i CANNOT FOLOW ALL THE DETAILs, but is there a best way to put the end (master), or middle (slave) of the inline rounded vantec cable? I'm going to ue it like this for now. [In future when I'd get a SATA DVD if theres really a diff, maybe good idea anyway.]
i.e; best if:
HDD is x
DVD is y
The options are end (master) or middle (slave: whoops, I almost put secondary).

I didn't notice in the store but its a chain (mobo, 12" to middle (slave) 7" to end(master)), not a seperate end for each. The Pri_E-IDE on P5K-E-WiFi/AP is lower right corner, my DVD is top and HDD was suspended below floppy. Antec Solo. CAn change e.g. HDD or DVD elsewhere if necc. Looking.

I JUST REALISED THE longest is 12", so if I want the DVD to be physically at the top of this SOlo case (4 bays total) I need to make it at the end of the chain (master) (therefore HDD slave, after the 12" to the HDD, then a 7" loop to the DVD (next bay), putting the HDD in the second down form top 5-1/4" bay. I could make the DVD slave/HDD master, but I'd have to change order of the

| DVD
|Fanmate-to-centered-knob-silver head
|Vantec 3.5" converted fan&light ctrlrl
| floppy (black)

btw the cables connectors are blue (mobo), gray(mid/slave) and black (end/master) as per spec standard convention. The reason is that if a specific eg IEEE abc.xyz is adhered to it must be to be advertised as such, along with any other req's. Problem is knowing what std is what when.

[jason4207]

I think it's best to have the HDD as Master, and DVD as Slave, but if that's not your OS HDD then I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Hipcrostino]

dude, set the HDD to Master with the jumper on the back, set the DVD ROM to slave with the jumper on the back, and put on the cable in any order you please. I have never used CAble select, i don't trust it. Forget colours and forget drive positions on the cable, its much easier using the jumpers.

P5K-E mobo only has one IDE channel, so you can only have 2 IDE devices.

[gamefan]

me so stupid

never taut to set M and S and revese the order on the chain

I decided to keep this 3rd HDD in its undies on bottom of Solo and I just reversed the positions of the DVD and floppy drives and it looks fine.

Floppy
FanMate Knob
Vantec 4 knobs
DVD

[gamefan]

I think it's best to have the HDD as Master, and DVD as Slave, but if that's not your OS HDD then I wouldn't worry about it too much.

why? I'd just like to know. It is a little important when setting out a new build to know these things, hate to neglect a possible.

The DVD will game-ID-ok and load ocasionally, and the HDD will be accessed for mp3 and stuff.

With regards to the idea of not putting two components on one chain I have no choice at the moment. And neither component is important. I have no opinion on this idea whether its true or not, but if there are other official concerns that would affect the best operation of the DVD or HDD I'd like to know. To be honest I don't know what is the slower or what the prob could be: if it still is this same issue, or if there is any way to avoid it anyway, even if I do set one component as one or the other.

I was planning on making the DVD master, otherwise I wouldn't ask. Its only cuz I plan on gaming (don't know if it'd make a diff), I'll probably use the HDD a lot more really. Maybe I'll take your advice anyway.