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jstutman
02-13-08, 02:39 AM
http://www.1saleaday.com/
They're going to get cheaper than that real soon.
doublejack
02-13-08, 09:46 AM
You're probably right Jon.
gangaskan
02-13-08, 09:56 AM
jon is right :)
HD DVD is losing the format war
warner dropped them for bluray which was a real hard kick in the balls for HD DVD
Silversinksam
02-13-08, 10:13 AM
jon is right :)
HD DVD is losing the format war
warner dropped them for bluray which was a real hard kick in the balls for HD DVD
HD DVD Losing Netflix (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2008/2/12/netflix-abandons-hd-dvd-in-favor-of-blu-ray.html) and BestBuy recommending (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9869591-7.html) Blu Ray over HD dvd last week doesn't make the HD DVD camp to happy . Not saying the format war is over, but it doesn't look good for HD DVD, 5 of the 7 movie studios and now Netflix has joined Blockbuster in Blu Ray only.... :eek:
gangaskan
02-13-08, 10:17 AM
yeah, i saw that too while i was trying to find what production company dropped them.
they're hurting pretty good.
LilBuddy
02-13-08, 11:40 AM
This makes me so happy that I spent $179 on this drive a few months ago just so I could get HD-DVD through Netflix.
gangaskan
02-13-08, 11:49 AM
honestly, is there a difference between blu ray and HD DVD? i have no experience with either or
WonderingSoul
02-13-08, 12:33 PM
HD DVD Losing Netflix (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2008/2/12/netflix-abandons-hd-dvd-in-favor-of-blu-ray.html) and BestBuy recommending (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9869591-7.html) Blu Ray over HD dvd last week doesn't make the HD DVD camp to happy . Not saying the format war is over, but it doesn't look good for HD DVD, 5 of the 7 movie studios and now Netflix has joined Blockbuster in Blu Ray only.... :eek:
The war is pretty much lost already... Just a matter of when HD-DVD throws in the towel or tries to drag this out as long as they can.
honestly, is there a difference between blu ray and HD DVD? i have no experience with either or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_high_definition_optical_disc_formats
ghost_recon88
02-13-08, 12:35 PM
honestly, is there a difference between blu ray and HD DVD? i have no experience with either or
To the naked eye? From what I've been told, no. However I don't have any first hand experience with it.
gangaskan
02-13-08, 12:36 PM
The war is pretty much lost already... Just a matter of when HD-DVD throws in the towel or tries to drag this out as long as they can.
which will be when they file for bankruptcy ;)
To the naked eye? From what I've been told, no. However I don't have any first hand experience with it.
likewise, all i really know offhand is to buy a ps3 for a blu ray player, however, this may have changed cause of manufacturer costs and supply / demand, but i think right now its the best bang for your buck?
LilBuddy
02-13-08, 01:38 PM
I love how HD-DVD's start the movie when you put it in and there are no previews. I imagine that is a big factor to the movie companies since they lose revenue that way.
I love how HD-DVD's start the movie when you put it in and there are no previews. I imagine that is a big factor to the movie companies since they lose revenue that way.
i love previews for good movies.
doublejack
02-13-08, 02:24 PM
HD DVD Losing Netflix (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2008/2/12/netflix-abandons-hd-dvd-in-favor-of-blu-ray.html) and BestBuy recommending (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9869591-7.html) Blu Ray over HD dvd last week doesn't make the HD DVD camp to happy . Not saying the format war is over, but it doesn't look good for HD DVD, 5 of the 7 movie studios and now Netflix has joined Blockbuster in Blu Ray only.... :eek:
The BB announcement is largely a formality. BB employees in general have been pushing Blu-ray pretty hard. As an HD-DVD owner for a while, I've found it disheartening to shop there... constantly hearing BB employees spread inaccurate information. Also, Blu-ray has prominent displays in many BB stores, and almost always gets more shelf space. So what we really have here is the informal practice already in widespread use becoming the corporate policy.
That doesn't lessen the impact though. BB is the undisputed #1 retailer of Hi-Def media. While they will still carry and sell HD-DVD, this formal pro Blu-ray stance will hasten the conclusion we're headed for.
I'm starting to question if it'll matter at all though. I'm not sure the mass market is ready to give up DVD yet. Blu-ray could be the new laser disc. As long as the PS3 remains the "cheap, affordable, best bang for the buck" player, that isn't going to change. There's no way consumers en masse will drop $400 or even $300 for a movie player when they can get a $20 480p progressive scan DVD player, or a <$75 1080i up-converting one. Not even half of homes have HDTV's. Blu-ray may therefore be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
To the naked eye? From what I've been told, no. However I don't have any first hand experience with it.
HD-DVD and Blu-ray both look and sound the same. Comparison captures done on movies that have been produced in both formats are virtually indistinguishable. This is logical since often times the same transfer is used for both formats, and usually the same encode as well. The feature set of Blu-ray profile 2.0 is also very comparable to HD-DVD's. When you look at the two formats from 50,000 feet, you realize this is a format war that should never have been. The two are just to similar and developed too close together to both reach market. The companies involved should have settled this long before a single player of either type was ever sold.
Just to add, the only real difference between the two is that many facilities capable of manufacturing DVDs can also duplicate HD-DVDs with the same hardware. This is not the case with Blu-ray which requires all new tooling. So HD-DVD has a distinct price advantage on the manufacturing side. That is not translating into cheaper discs for consumers though.
I love how HD-DVD's start the movie when you put it in and there are no previews. I imagine that is a big factor to the movie companies since they lose revenue that way.
I know that Disney in particular loves to load up with adds before the main feature. They have been the studio with the most fervent support for Blu-ray (outside of Sony of course) for exactly reasons like this one. I'm not so sure it matters to the other Blu-ray studios.
So should I wait for these players to show up at garage sales? :p
Jeepson33s
02-16-08, 12:42 PM
Wal-Mart just dropped HD DVD....another solid blow stright to the facial region
LilBuddy
02-16-08, 01:15 PM
It's sad to see the prices of these drop as they are started to be phased out. I think going with Blu-Ray will turn into Laserdisc. PS3 isn't going to be able to save it.
Jeepson33s
02-16-08, 01:22 PM
cosco has the toshiba hddvd player for 129.99 now...ugly for toshiba.
Yeah, there was a story on Digg this AM speculating that Toshiba would just give up their money losing fight and stop manufacturing the drives.
Personally, I don't think it will be too long before online HD movie rentals/purchases are a reality for the mainstream (not just those with Tivos and Xbox 360's). But I gotta say that I absolutely LOVE downloading my "Lost" fix in HD on through Xbox Live.
No way am I buying either player any time soon. Think I'll skip this gen, invest in an Xbox 720 (or whatever) so that i can have that be the center of my living room. By the way, wasn't MS supposed to have IP TV support on that thing already? They were talking about that coming out last fall with the dashboard update, weren't they?
MadMan007
02-16-08, 03:31 PM
BluRay has better, or at least more flexible when needed, copyright protection right? That's got to be a major influence for the studios over which to support.
BluRay has better, or at least more flexible when needed, copyright protection right? That's got to be a major influence for the studios over which to support.
Ya, region coding. Without region coding, as HD-DVD does, it takes studios longer to get releases out.
Jeepson33s
02-16-08, 04:03 PM
yep...they are done
http://gizmodo.com/357311/its-official-toshiba-pulling-the-plug-on-hd-dvd
MadMan007
02-16-08, 04:58 PM
Ya, region coding. Without region coding, as HD-DVD does, it takes studios longer to get releases out.
Nah I thought it was more than that, regular DVDs have region coding already. I meant the encryption to prevent copying.
doublejack
02-18-08, 01:07 AM
Nah I thought it was more than that, regular DVDs have region coding already. I meant the encryption to prevent copying.
You are correct. HD-DVD is solely protected by AACS. Blu-ray has AACS and BD+, so an extra layer of protection. However, while neither AACS nor BD+ have been what I'd call cracked, they have both been defeated / compromised to a certain extent.
I think the region encoding is a much bigger issue for the studios. The reason is because of timing and distribution issues. Movies are released at different times in different markets, and studio A might own the rights to a movie in one region while studio B owns the rights to the same move in a different region. An example of the latter scenario is the movie The Prestige. In Region 1 the rights are owned by Buena Vista Home Entertainment, so it can only be found on Blu-ray in the US and Canada. However, in Region 2 the rights are owned by Warner Brothers, so in Europe you can find it on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. The issue is that the WB HD-DVD release, while intended for Region 2, can be imported and works world-wide. It really muddies the waters.
Disney in particular became a very strong Blu-ray supporter because of HD-DVD's region free design. It was a massive tactical error on Toshiba's part to take the side of the consumer.
nd4spdbh2
02-18-08, 02:01 AM
hd-dvd is dead guys.... wait for these things to be super cheap in the next coupla weeks.... toshiba todally pulled the whole project.
Audioaficionado
02-18-08, 03:13 AM
Now that's been settled, I can start investing in only one HD format.
Problem with HD-DVD media is that eventually the existing players/drives will wear out and then they'd be unplayable. Playback support on future players would be dicy since Toshiba is dropping out.
doublejack
02-18-08, 10:43 AM
hd-dvd is dead guys.... wait for these things to be super cheap in the next coupla weeks.... toshiba todally pulled the whole project.
Toshiba has not pulled the plug yet. They are mulling over their options. Regardless of their decision, I can't possibly see how HD-DVD will continue as a home entertainment format. The negative press has been nonstop for the last month+, and even though the format is not officially dead - it's dead in the eyes of the public. The media greatly accelerated the end.
Now that's been settled, I can start investing in only one HD format.
Problem with HD-DVD media is that eventually the existing players/drives will wear out and then they'd be unplayable. Playback support on future players would be dicy since Toshiba is dropping out.
I don't see this as an issue at all. LG has already included support for HD-DVD in their Super Multi line of optical drives, and the death of the format in home entertainment doesn't really impact it's adoption into the computer world as a storage format. So it is dicey to expect buying a new stand-alone HD-DVD capable player in the future, but you should be able to buy a DVD/Blu-ray/HD-DVD ROM drive for the foreseeable future.
Plus, there's always ebay. You can still get laserdisc, Betamax, D-VHS... even atari's on ebay.
Ummm... According to NHK, Toshiba has pulled the plug. I think it's all over but the dying, as they say.
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSL1627196120080216
NHK isn't exactly the National Enquirer....
doublejack
02-18-08, 12:54 PM
Ummm... According to NHK, Toshiba has pulled the plug. I think it's all over but the dying, as they say.
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSL1627196120080216
NHK isn't exactly the National Enquirer....
That's an old story now, and is speculation. I repeat, Toshiba has NOT yet pulled the plug. Everyone just expects them to.
Story from today (http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/02/18/toshiba.hddvd.ap/index.html)
TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Sony's Blu-ray technology is emerging as the likely winner in the format battle for the next generation of DVD players after Toshiba appeared ready to ditch its HD DVD business.
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Toshiba said Monday no decision has been made but acknowledged it had started a review of its HD DVD strategy. The comments follow a flurry of weekend Japanese media reports that the company was close to pulling the plug on the business.
The bolded words are my emphasis. The NHK article was premature and has been corrected by newer reports.
LilBuddy
02-18-08, 06:31 PM
I want a refund from Microsoft for buying the HD-DVD player.
I think Microsoft should have really come out swinging with HD-DVD on the 360 since Sony did with the Blu-Ray.
gangaskan
02-18-08, 06:56 PM
I want a refund from Microsoft for buying the HD-DVD player.
I think Microsoft should have really come out swinging with HD-DVD on the 360 since Sony did with the Blu-Ray.
would have made HD DVD last longer atleast ;)
doublejack
02-18-08, 08:39 PM
Ok, HD-DVD will be dead as of 3am EST. Toshiba has a presser scheduled for 5pm Tokyo time.
gangaskan
02-19-08, 02:00 PM
the officall responce from microsoft (taken from HardOCP)
Microsoft’s PR team sent out this statement regarding the recent developments in the HD DVD camp and rumors that there will be a Xbox 360 Blu-ray add-on drive in the near future:
“We do not believe the recent reports about HD DVD will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace. As we’ve long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry. We will wait until we hear from Toshiba before announcing any specific plans around the Xbox 360 HD DVD player. HD DVD is one of the several ways we offer a high definition experience to consumers and we will continue to give consumers the choice to enjoy digital distribution of high definition movies and TV shows directly to their living room along with playback of the DVD movies they already own.”
so does this mean they will convert to blu ray? ;) i dont think they will pump out HD DVD games, unless they are forced too.
Golden Monkey
02-19-08, 08:46 PM
HD-DVD = Epic Fail
I hope Microsoft release a Blu-Ray external drive. They will start running out of room on standard DVD discs pretty soon. Games are getting bigger.....
rainless
02-19-08, 10:12 PM
I want a refund from Microsoft for buying the HD-DVD player.
I think Microsoft should have really come out swinging with HD-DVD on the 360 since Sony did with the Blu-Ray.
They NEVER really believed in HD-DVD. They went so far as to elude to that in a press release (something bout HD-DVD not being a "proven platform"). That... is the reason they didn't include the HD-DVD drive in their Elite systems.
So I don't think Microsoft owes you any money. You rolled the dice and came up $200 (or less) short.
LilBuddy
02-19-08, 10:47 PM
As I said in another post, I think Blu-Ray will fail also. Digital downloads are the future if Sony can't drop the prices down to something reasonable. I just thinkg it is sad that the industry thinks there are so many more Blu-Ray players than HD-DVD players just because every PS3 has one built in.
As I said in another post, I think Blu-Ray will fail also. Digital downloads are the future if Sony can't drop the prices down to something reasonable. I just thinkg it is sad that the industry thinks there are so many more Blu-Ray players than HD-DVD players just because every PS3 has one built in.
You're right that they will fail as long as players are $300 and discs are $30 each. HD just isn't worth it to most consumers (me included)--especially when I can turn on my 360 and download/rent an HD movie for $4-$6.
rainless
02-20-08, 01:06 AM
As I said in another post, I think Blu-Ray will fail also. Digital downloads are the future if Sony can't drop the prices down to something reasonable. I just thinkg it is sad that the industry thinks there are so many more Blu-Ray players than HD-DVD players just because every PS3 has one built in.
Digital downloads are the future... but we're living in the present. :)
Digital downloads are 2011... maybe even 2015. When you can download a gig in about 10 minutes. When it actually becomes faster to download fifty gigs onto your 5,000 gig hard drive than it would be to drive to Best Buy, get the disc, and drive back home.
Television, and cable, and everything else that currently exists shall fail...
...in THE FUTURE.
But right now you got about four or five months worth of new HD-DVDs left.
Live it up! :)
I can't see physical discs ever dying. I, along with many other people, still like to have the hard copy in hand. I'd rather own the CD and its case than buy it off of iTunes. Same with games - don't you like to have the actual manual in hand?
rainless
02-20-08, 02:16 AM
I can't see physical discs ever dying. I, along with many other people, still like to have the hard copy in hand. I'd rather own the CD and its case than buy it off of iTunes. Same with games - don't you like to have the actual manual in hand?
Oh sure... I love it! Then again I loved my cassettes and was the last person on earth to get a CD player. I used to run a record label and I was one of the last people on earth to switch over from analog to digital. I would've been one of the last people on earth to switch from VHS to DVD... but by then I had learned my lesson.
You might prefer buying CDs, but all those record shops going out of business wish that you were a multiple-man with a hundred billion dollars. By THE FUTURE that our friend was referring to you'll have something better than a CD anyway: When you can download a gig in about 5-10 minutes or less you'll be able to just download the master tapes and either burn them onto bluray or carry them in your 500 gig mp3 player.
We're speaking of THE FUTURE mind you... :beer:
Oh sure... I love it! Then again I loved my cassettes and was the last person on earth to get a CD player. I used to run a record label and I was one of the last people on earth to switch over from analog to digital. I would've been one of the last people on earth to switch from VHS to DVD... but by then I had learned my lesson.
You might prefer buying CDs, but all those record shops going out of business wish that you were a multiple-man with a hundred billion dollars. By THE FUTURE that our friend was referring to you'll have something better than a CD anyway: When you can download a gig in about 5-10 minutes or less you'll be able to just download the master tapes and either burn them onto bluray or carry them in your 500 gig mp3 player.
We're speaking of THE FUTURE mind you... :beer:
Dude, no way, forget the future, YOU WILL NEVER TAKE MY CD'S AWAY!! :mad::cry:
LilBuddy
02-20-08, 06:26 PM
I think the biggest problem is going to be the bandwidth the internet is going to be using for all of the digital stuff.
Audioaficionado
02-20-08, 07:05 PM
I'll only pay for high quality lossless music downloads. Never for lossy mp3 or AC4 type files. And then that's if they aren't riddled with DRM gotchas.
Oxalic32
02-20-08, 08:06 PM
HD-DVD is completely dead. I'll pay $5 for a player :-D.
tenchi86
02-20-08, 11:15 PM
I will probably get one of these or a stand-alone player in a couple weeks if they drop in price anyway more. I have a Blu-Ray player, but if I can get nearly the same movies for less then half the price, I am all for it.
doublejack
02-21-08, 01:11 AM
HD-DVD is so dead I just bought my second HD-A3 player today. I got a new one for $85 with 10 free movies, how could I pass that up?
HD-DVD is so dead I just bought my second HD-A3 player today. I got a new one for $85 with 10 free movies, how could I pass that up?
Maybe I should buy a second one to have as a souvenir. :)
If you think about it, good upconversion players are $50-60, so pay a few bucks more, get free HD-DVDs and something that can play a good selection of high-def movies at least for now...
Moto7451
02-21-08, 02:32 AM
honestly, is there a difference between blu ray and HD DVD? i have no experience with either or
Capacity, mandated formats, etc, mostly useless as I'll point out later.
which will be when they file for bankruptcy ;)
This won't kill Toshiba.
I love how HD-DVD's start the movie when you put it in and there are no previews. I imagine that is a big factor to the movie companies since they lose revenue that way.
You can do that with regular DVDs as well. Sony actually lets you skip the previews entirely (and the FBI warning even hilariously enough) by pressing the menu button. It's all purely based on how you encode the disc.
... It was a massive tactical error on Toshiba's part to take the side of the consumer.
Amen brother.
I think Microsoft should have really come out swinging with HD-DVD on the 360 since Sony did with the Blu-Ray.
They took the best approach really. Considering the drives weren't really ready for the 360 anyways, they could pick the winner in the end while riding the horse they though would win. They ended up being wrong, but not nearly as wrong as Sony would have been had Blu-ray failed ;). Paying for the added cost of a BR drive AND an external HD DVD drive would have sucked as much as it does for the 360 users that have an HD DVD drive at current except that it would affect EVERY PS3 owner. This is perhaps the only thing Sony could claim to have done right from the start with the console.
so does this mean they will convert to blu ray? ;) i dont think they will pump out HD DVD games, unless they are forced too.
There aren't any HD-DVD games at the moment so no need to worry.
They NEVER really believed in HD-DVD. They went so far as to elude to that in a press release (something bout HD-DVD not being a "proven platform"). That... is the reason they didn't include the HD-DVD drive in their Elite systems.
So I don't think Microsoft owes you any money. You rolled the dice and came up $200 (or less) short.
Indeed. Thats basically how it goes. Microsoft took the conservative road, didn't pick a standard (or try to invent it either, go figure), and really has ended up in a good or neutral position depending on your opinion of the format war.
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But really, when it comes down to it, the new disc format is pretty much meaningless for our purposes. The h.264-High format HD movies are encoded in anyways required about 62Mb/s data transmission for 1080 (and only 18Mb/s minimum for 720 video). This of course doesn't take into consideration VBR encoding and just assumes a worst case scenario. At most, in a worst case scenario, you need a 6x DVD drive to keep up with this... Strike 1.
The In Bruges 1080p trailer runs at ~10.3Mb/s for the whole trailer and the 2:27 trailer takes 182MB of space. A 2 hour movie is about 49 times longer, and as a result will take up 49 times more space (in theory) which results in a 3.8GB movie + a few hundred more MB for the mandated higher bit rate for Blu-ray movies (I'm assuming the apple trailer isn't at 640Kb/s AAC but it might be seeing as it's a 5.1 trailer). This means your fancy HD movie should still fit on a standard, single layer DVD which has a capacity of just over 5GB. If you want to be a penny pincher, you simply put the special features on the disc in 720p which is about 40% smaller in the case of In Bruges. If you don't mind spending the extra 2¢ per disc, you put it on a DVD-9 and have plenty of room for a 4 hour movie + bonus features and a commentary track. Strike 2.
You can even use a DVD 14 or 18 and make a double sided disc that plays in both normal and HD players without a special disc. Strike 3
In fact, this is probably what will happen with some movies anyways (especially in the case of small market & home made DVDs), since really the only thing that isn't specified is the use of the disc itself! The only piece that has to be set is that the players themselves don't care what type of disc is used which I'd imagine is relatively untested due to the lack of consumer software for encoding HD style moves.
So why again do we have thee discs?
doublejack
02-21-08, 10:07 AM
Maybe I should buy a second one to have as a souvenir. :)
If you think about it, good upconversion players are $50-60, so pay a few bucks more, get free HD-DVDs and something that can play a good selection of high-def movies at least for now...
I thought at $85 (the A3 is $99 at circuit city, and if you look on slickdeals you can find a $15 off $100 purchase coupon) and with 5 movies instantly and 5 more by mail it was just too sweet of a deal. The reasons I bought it were:
1. To have a backup player. Before this purchase I had 56 HD-DVD movies. The cost of selling them and then re-buying all of 'em in Blu-ray would have been many times more expensive. Not to mention the cost of a Blu-ray player. In the meantime, I've now got an HD-DVD player in a second room to go with a 720p LCD (it's a small-ish TV but I can still see the HD difference).
2. As you stated this is not really more expensive than a quality upconverting player. At the end of the day at least an A3 is good for that.
3. Warner has announced that they will continue to release HD-DVD's through May, possibly into June, despite Toshiba's decision. Universal and Paramount also still have titles in the pipe. So at least I can add new releases for a while longer.
4. I'm hoping to greatly increase the size of my HD-DVD library at firesale prices :beer:
I really don't regret getting into HD-DVD. By the time I jumped on the bandwagon in Novemember the prices were already so low, and with smart shopping I've now got 2 players and 64 movies (two of my new ones are dupes) for a ~$750 total investment. It would be hard to buy the same 64 films on plain old DVD for that much!
Audioaficionado
02-21-08, 10:32 AM
Well if Sony wants Blu-Ray market penetration, they'll have to work on getting the prices down. My magic numbers are $200/$20. Until then, I'll just keep buying DVDs and playing 'em on my up converting player and watching on my 1080p LCD.
And I won't be re buying my present titles unless I get them cheap enough and there is a compelling visual reason like fantastic special effects or stunning details that the regular DVD misses altogether.
Kenshiro
02-21-08, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE=LilBuddy;5488508]I want a refund from Microsoft for buying the HD-DVD player.
QUOTE]
HAh.. you are just kidding with this comment, right?
I read in some other forum that people are demanding refunds from Toshiba for their HD-DVD players and movies. Of course, Toshiba denies the refund.
Personally, I'm glad i stick to the PS3.
I thought at $85 (the A3 is $99 at circuit city, and if you look on slickdeals you can find a $15 off $100 purchase coupon) and with 5 movies instantly and 5 more by mail it was just too sweet of a deal. The reasons I bought it were:
1. To have a backup player. Before this purchase I had 56 HD-DVD movies. The cost of selling them and then re-buying all of 'em in Blu-ray would have been many times more expensive. Not to mention the cost of a Blu-ray player. In the meantime, I've now got an HD-DVD player in a second room to go with a 720p LCD (it's a small-ish TV but I can still see the HD difference).
2. As you stated this is not really more expensive than a quality upconverting player. At the end of the day at least an A3 is good for that.
3. Warner has announced that they will continue to release HD-DVD's through May, possibly into June, despite Toshiba's decision. Universal and Paramount also still have titles in the pipe. So at least I can add new releases for a while longer.
4. I'm hoping to greatly increase the size of my HD-DVD library at firesale prices :beer:
I really don't regret getting into HD-DVD. By the time I jumped on the bandwagon in Novemember the prices were already so low, and with smart shopping I've now got 2 players and 64 movies (two of my new ones are dupes) for a ~$750 total investment. It would be hard to buy the same 64 films on plain old DVD for that much!
I agree with you. I still don't feel bad. I paid $159.99 shipped from amazon for the HD-A3 and 5 movies... still waiting for the other 5 through rebate, so 10 total. It's not a bad investment. I'll just buy whatever is available on HD-DVD until I can't anymore, then by that time I'm sure I'll have a Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo player either in my PC or stand-alone... then my HD-DVDs will never die as I'll always have a way to play them.
I don't think it's a big deal @ all to be honest. You just have to have a separate player for the HD-DVD collection you have - that's all... or get a combo player and you're set for life (well, knowing technology you'll be set for maybe 2 yrs before something else comes out :) )
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