GeForce 9 Series Roadmap

[nightelph]

From Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/22/geforce-9-roadmap-revealed-9800-gx2-due-march-11th/)

"..top-end 9800 GX2 card slated for March 11th.. ..that is supposed to best the 8800 Ultra's performance by a solid 30 percent."

9800 GX2 - $599
9800 GTX - $399
9800 GT - $299
9600 GS ~$200
9500 GT ~$200
9500 GS ~$200

[Shiggity]

I hope they release polished drivers for quad-SLI via the 9800x2 when THE CARD is actually released =D (cough ati cough)

Looks like 7 or 8 9xxx cards will be out in the summer. They'll probably bring out the new core late summer too and just upgrade some 9xxx cards like they did with the 8800GT and 8800GTS with the G92 core.

[nightelph]

I'll at least buy the 98gtx (after seeing some legit reviews) at $399.

Drivers are key. :-)

[nd4spdbh2]

if the Gx2 is only 30% better than the current ultra how is the 9800GTX gonna be better than any of the current stuf?

[PhysX]

cool.

[nightelph]

if the Gx2 is only 30% better than the current ultra how is the 9800GTX gonna be better than any of the current stuf?

Eh, I suppose you're right. I already have an 88gtx, so I guess its not that big of an upgrade for me. :( Wonder when G10s come out..

[LilBuddy]

All I want to know is when can I buy an 8800GT for $150 new.

[Shiggity]

if the Gx2 is only 30% better than the current ultra how is the 9800GTX gonna be better than any of the current stuf?

The 9800GTX is slated for the spot right above the 8800GTS 512 I believe.

[Shiggity]

All I want to know is when can I buy an 8800GT for $150 new.

Maybe in the summer :)

[nd4spdbh2]

gah what nvidia needs to do is take the g94 core, bump it to 512bit buss width with 512+mb of ram 20+ROP's, 160SP's @ 800mhz core clock.

btw thoes prices are not right.

the 9600GT MSRP is 180bucks.... thus the 9600gs 9500gt 9500gs are lower.

[White_Pawn]

if the Gx2 is only 30% better than the current ultra how is the 9800GTX gonna be better than any of the current stuf?

lets rephrase the term 9800GX2 to 8800GX2, where the GX2 is "2 x 8800GTS 512mb slowed down and slapped together" Then you can understand the minimal 30% increase.

The others, are based on differnt cores. Ex. 9600GT is based on the g94 core.

[Roofles]

I think most of the good cards will be just out of my 90 day step up limit! oh well. I guess I'll have to see how much the performance jump is.

[nd4spdbh2]

I think most of the good cards will be just out of my 90 day step up limit! oh well. I guess I'll have to see how much the performance jump is.

might want to contact evga... they are usually pretty good bout giving some leway.

[nightelph]

gah what nvidia needs to do is take the g94 core, bump it to 512bit buss width with 512+mb of ram 20+ROP's, 160SP's @ 800mhz core clock.

btw thoes prices are not right.

the 9600GT MSRP is 180bucks.... thus the 9600gs 9500gt 9500gs are lower.

Well the article said 'around' $200. Besides this isn't an official map.

[Jas]

Be nice to have some official release dates...

[Shiggity]

gah what nvidia needs to do is take the g94 core, bump it to 512bit buss width with 512+mb of ram 20+ROP's, 160SP's @ 800mhz core clock.

btw thoes prices are not right.

the 9600GT MSRP is 180bucks.... thus the 9600gs 9500gt 9500gs are lower.

The G94 is a weaker core than the G92, it's smaller to save money on the mid-range cards.

[Neural Net]

I'm beginning to think ATi and nVidia have hit a wall in terms of designing a new significantly more powerful architecture. All they've done for over a year now is die shrink and refine an existing architecture.

One thing about the 9600 Shiggity, it only has 64 SPs but manages to only fall behind the 8800GT with 112 in benchmarks by 12-20%. Seems as though it's more efficient somewhere and would probably be faster than a G92 core with the same clocks, SPs and memory.

[Rattle]

this is bs i dont want a dual gpu on one card thats 30% faster than the crappy ultra.
I want a single gpu thats at least 30% faster than the ultra.

[Jas]

this is bs i dont want a dual gpu on one card thats 30% faster than the crappy ultra.
I want a single gpu thats at least 30% faster than the ultra.

Wait for the 9800 GTX.

[Shiggity]

I'm beginning to think ATi and nVidia have hit a wall in terms of designing a new significantly more powerful architecture. All they've done for over a year now is die shrink and refine an existing architecture.

One thing about the 9600 Shiggity, it only has 64 SPs but manages to only fall behind the 8800GT with 112 in benchmarks by 12-20%. Seems as though it's more efficient somewhere and would probably be faster than a G92 core with the same clocks, SPs and memory.

We'll have to see :)

[goog`]

looking like a 8800gt/s sli is the best upgrade path based on projected 9xxx numbers.

[ratbuddy]

From Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/22/geforce-9-roadmap-revealed-9800-gx2-due-march-11th/)

"..top-end 9800 GX2 card slated for March 11th.. ..that is supposed to best the 8800 Ultra's performance by a solid 30 percent."

9800 GX2 - $599
9800 GTX - $399
9800 GT - $299
9600 GS ~$200
9500 GT ~$200
9500 GS ~$200

Sweet. My 750TX arrives Tuesday so I'll be all set there, and with step up, the GX2 only gonna cost me $310. Awesome news, if true. All that's left is a QX9XXX and I might have the fastest mATX on the planet soon :P

[VinnyTAMU]

After reading the posted article, I initially thought that I would wait till April, 2nd and see what the 9800GT has to offer. However after reading through the following posts, I think it would be smarter to get a 8800GTS G92 now vs waiting for the 9800GT. What do you guys think?

[thideras]

After reading the posted article, I initially thought that I would wait till April, 2nd and see what the 9800GT has to offer. However after reading through the following posts, I think it would be smarter to get a 8800GTS G92 now vs waiting for the 9800GT. What do you guys think?Since there is not much time until it comes out, I would suggest waiting unless you have a non-working computer right now.

What is the worst the could happen? 98xx is good and the 8800 prices drop? Etc...etc...

[jason4207]

I'm beginning to think ATi and nVidia have hit a wall in terms of designing a new significantly more powerful architecture. All they've done for over a year now is die shrink and refine an existing architecture.

One thing about the 9600 Shiggity, it only has 64 SPs but manages to only fall behind the 8800GT with 112 in benchmarks by 12-20%. Seems as though it's more efficient somewhere and would probably be faster than a G92 core with the same clocks, SPs and memory.

The die looks smaller, though, so I assume they can't hide much in there. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Shiggity]

this is bs i dont want a dual gpu on one card thats 30% faster than the crappy ultra.
I want a single gpu thats at least 30% faster than the ultra.

Well we need some more Crysis like games to come out first. No point in having a quad-fire setup or a quad SLI setup and the only thing that actually uses all that power is Crysis on an enourmous resolution.

Most people are playing any game they want with very good graphics with a single 8800GT or 8800GTS atm. More power is a waste for 99% of Nvidia GPU buyers.

If you were Nvidia and you knew this information, why would you cost your own company money by bringing newer/faster cards to market too fast?

[Jas]

Well we need some more Crysis like games to come out first. No point in having a quad-fire setup or a quad SLI setup and the only thing that actually uses all that power is Crysis on an enourmous resolution.

Most people are playing any game they want with very good graphics with a single 8800GT or 8800GTS atm. More power is a waste for 99% of Nvidia GPU buyers.

If you were Nvidia and you knew this information, why would you cost your own company money by bringing newer/faster cards to market too fast?

you hit it right on the head.

[Rattle]

i want the power of 2xg92 in sli in one card thats why and i dont want it on a crappy dual gpu card and i dont want a crappy sli mobo with 2 cards.
thats why nvidia is not releasing more powerful cards not becuae theirs not enuff crysis like games, they are pushing SLI

[Shiggity]

They better be pushing SLI, crossfireX is way ahead atm.

[Rattle]

lol you mean the tech they dont have drivers for yet ?

i wish nvidias mobos didnt suck so bad, i liked g92 sli, i just want one card on an intel mobo that will be that fast.

[sHape oF gReY]

Step-up gonna be cutting it close.

[Shiggity]

CrossFireX is already almost done with being able to interchange any RV670 core GPU on a compadible motherboard.

(Any combination of HD3850, HD3870, HD3870x2) 2, 3, or 4 GPUs.

SLI is not even close to this, not to mention Nvidia being lame and monopolizing it to their boards (which are not even close to the X48s in the reviews I've seen)

[Rattle]

thats all fine and well but ati's current gpu's suck compared to g80 and g92 and that mixed xfire doesnt make up for it.
I wish ati did have a good card cuz i really dont like nvidia as a company but their cars are simply better right now.

[thideras]

i want the power of 2xg92 in sli in one card thats why and i dont want it on a crappy dual gpu card and i dont want a crappy sli mobo with 2 cards.
thats why nvidia is not releasing more powerful cards not becuae theirs not enuff crysis like games, they are pushing SLIExactly. I am highly interested in it because of just that, I don't need to change my other hardware to get more performance.

[Shiggity]

thats all fine and well but ati's current gpu's suck compared to g80 and g92

Don't let Brolloks see this. His quadfire setup is the most powerful GPU setup available atm.

[Rattle]

haha i'm still waiting for his single 3870x2 cod 4 runs

one of those doesnt look bad for 375ish if games truley utilize both gpu's without xfire nonsense.

[Roofles]

Don't let Brolloks see this. His quadfire setup is the most powerful GPU setup available atm.

Yeah but he is still having driver problems is he not? I haven't seen any benchmark either that says having 2 x2's is better than having 1 x2.

Don't get me wrong its a sweet set up though....

[Neural Net]

CrossFireX is already almost done with being able to interchange any RV670 core GPU on a compadible motherboard.

(Any combination of HD3850, HD3870, HD3870x2) 2, 3, or 4 GPUs.

SLI is not even close to this, not to mention Nvidia being lame and monopolizing it to their boards (which are not even close to the X48s in the reviews I've seen)

Yep, and this motherboard I have is the most nasty POS I've come across. It can't handle 430 FSB. It could on the old BIOS, but would hardlock randomly during video playback, so I tried different BIOS, and they're even worse (had to take out the battery just to boot up again). Even worse, ASUS haven't got the original BIOS to download, so I'm stuck. :-/

[jason4207]

Yeah but he is still having driver problems is he not? I haven't seen any benchmark either that says having 2 x2's is better than having 1 x2.

Don't get me wrong its a sweet set up though....

All that got worked out. He's got some nice benches. What's most impressive is how his 3DMark06 scores barely go down when he increases the resolution.

[Archer36]

Step-up gonna be cutting it close.
I got till March 10 to step up....

[Niku-Sama]

Yep, and this motherboard I have is the most nasty POS I've come across. It can't handle 430 FSB. It could on the old BIOS, but would hardlock randomly during video playback, so I tried different BIOS, and they're even worse (had to take out the battery just to boot up again). Even worse, ASUS haven't got the original BIOS to download, so I'm stuck. :-/

thats why i stoped buying asus PII era, all boards are a crap shoot but your more likely to get acual crap from them. frankly theyre the only manufacturer i wont buy any more.

i am wondering though, 9500 sould be roughly $100, comparitivly speaking of course (see 8 series)
i wonder if theyre will be a 9400 for cheap (i.e. $20)
the whole of the 9 series card is supposed to be cheaper right?

[Brolloks]

haha i'm still waiting for his single 3870x2 cod 4 runs

one of those doesnt look bad for 375ish if games truley utilize both gpu's without xfire nonsense.

CFX takes priority now, sorry, once I'm done with that I'll run special COD4 runs just for you :)


Yeah but he is still having driver problems is he not? I haven't seen any benchmark either that says having 2 x2's is better than having 1 x2.

Don't get me wrong its a sweet set up though....

Feel free to come visit my thread and see how CFX performs compared to one X2 card. The drivers are still very sketchy, I agree, 'cause they are beta CFX, we cannot expect perfect scaling can we now.

[Rattle]

you got CFX working yet?

freaking ati and there products before drivers BS

[Brolloks]

you got CFX working yet?

freaking ati and there products before drivers BS


Yes man :bday:, for 2 days now already, check out my thread, last page

[Rattle]

sweet i'm doin it

[Vipasnipa]

Dammit, only 9 days step-up left on my 8800GT.. I've never seen such a slow product cycle from Nvidia before.

[Blkout]

this is bs i dont want a dual gpu on one card thats 30% faster than the crappy ultra.
I want a single gpu thats at least 30% faster than the ultra.

The current Ultra is far from "crappy". There isn't a faster single card out there at high resolutions except the new ATI X2 which is hit or miss depending on application.

[Sgt_Pinto]

the 9800gtx should be very powerful, considering its a different core... should be better than a 9800gx2. i hope.

[MR-FIX-IT]

Just found this. Not to sure how accurate it is. You decide.

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=280521&Source=rss

[deathman20]

the 9800gtx should be very powerful, considering its a different core... should be better than a 9800gx2. i hope.

You'd hope its better but from the difference though you'd really wonder if it would be since the GX2 is priced quiet a bit above the GTX if true.

[nd4spdbh2]

as par nvidia monopolizing SLI to their own chipsets... i think intel has backed them into a corner. Intel has refused to release a vital bit o code to nvidia so that nvidia cant continue to make newer intel chipsets... so ultimately either nvidia is going to have to stop making mobos, or allow SLI on intel chipsets.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178080

All i have to say is that it would be AWESOME if nvidia was forced to allow SLI on intel chipsets... as its just a quick change in their drivers and nothing more.

[deathman20]

as par nvidia monopolizing SLI to their own chipsets... i think intel has backed them into a corner. Intel has refused to release a vital bit o code to nvidia so that nvidia cant continue to make newer intel chipsets... so ultimately either nvidia is going to have to stop making mobos, or allow SLI on intel chipsets.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178080

All i have to say is that it would be AWESOME if nvidia was forced to allow SLI on intel chipsets... as its just a quick change in their drivers and nothing more.


Indeed nVidia can't keep going on like this. Thats what sucks truely. I'd probably buy another 8800GT card, suprising as that sounds since I'm not much of a dual GPU type guy but I'd probably nab another card right now. Then again I have intel chipset thats works great, OC's very nicely and lots of features so I'd rather have a stable high clocked overall system with a solid chip than SLI any day.

Least if or when I go back to ATI I know they work in any boards.

[thideras]

as par nvidia monopolizing SLI to their own chipsets... i think intel has backed them into a corner. Intel has refused to release a vital bit o code to nvidia so that nvidia cant continue to make newer intel chipsets... so ultimately either nvidia is going to have to stop making mobos, or allow SLI on intel chipsets.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178080

All i have to say is that it would be AWESOME if nvidia was forced to allow SLI on intel chipsets... as its just a quick change in their drivers and nothing more.And if you read the link you gave, you would see they got some "information" from the Inquirer.

I could see it happening though.

[Brolloks]

It will really make it so much simpler for using both AMD and nVidia dual card options, this constant change from nVidia to Intel chipsets are driving me nuts.

Not sure how nVidia will be prepared to give up a huge source of revenue by allowing Intel to code in SLI into their chipsets?

[Audioaficionado]

A 9600GT looks like a nicely priced upgrade from my 8600GT.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130328

I'll get the top card when they can make efficient cool running GPUs like the latest C2D CPUs are compared to the old Netburst architecture.