Petition to AMD: We want 133FSB Durons [Archive]

Maximus Nickus

12-30-01, 11:05 AM

Click HERE (http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/xp_painting.html) for the XP interactive bridges guide,

or Here for T-Birds/Durons (http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/socketa_resistors.html)

Also useful info HERE about the meanings of the chip writing. (http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa_id.html)

Hope this helps!

Holst

12-30-01, 07:50 PM

My duron ran fine at 175.

It probably would have gone higher but I needed a lower multiplyer (I was on 6X)

If I had better memory im sure my duron and 8KHA+ would run 200fsb no problems.

Ill have a XP-1600 soon so ill be able to test it :)

Just unlock the bugger.

hallen

12-31-01, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by nick_cw
I've done it before and it was easy.

OK. I'm ready to take the plunge with an 800 T-Bird I never liked. Will a single edged razor blade do the trick or should I buy an Exacto knife?

Also, if I end up selling these, is a pencil durable or would you recommend something else?

wild_andy_c

12-31-01, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by hallen
So we can clock them to 166FSB

Regardless of the original FSB of the processor, unlocking will allow high FSB's provided that the multiplier is low enough. Any motherboard worth its salt will have multiplier adjustment on the board, ones without can be modified with a 5 gang dip switch attached to the FID pins of the socket in order to exaexact multiplier change.

It would be counterproductive for AMD to move Duron to the 266MHz FSB which is home to Athlon C ,MP and XP for obvious reasons.

It is also faux that the processor needs to move to 133MHz in order to beat Tualatin Celeron 1.3GHz. It is yet to be seen how far Morgan Duron will be taken before it is superceded by the Tualatin killing Apaloosa.

It is good to see that AMD are able to exceed Intel at peak clock speed for 0.18 micron value parts , but bad to see that Intel beat AMD to the 0.13 micron crown. Intel will probably also beat AMD to the 0.13 market place for performance parts also, but I know where my money is.

hallen

12-31-01, 08:13 AM

Andy- There is a risk in moving the Duron to 133 FSB but look at how well ECS is doing with their low price policy:

ECS only first-tier maker to attain 2001 shipment target

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2001/12/31&pages=10&seq=66

ECS is eating Asus alive and with a 133FSB Duron to go with a 133FSB ECS board AMD could take another chunk out of Intel.

wild_andy_c

12-31-01, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by hallen
Andy- There is a risk in moving the Duron to 133 FSB but look at how well ECS is doing with their low price policy:

ECS only first-tier maker to attain 2001 shipment target

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2001/12/31&pages=10&seq=66

ECS is eating Asus alive and with a 133FSB Duron to go with a 133FSB ECS board AMD could take another chunk out of Intel.

Increasing the performance of Duron would decrease the gap between it and Athlon XP, thus making it counterproductive for AMD themselves.

In the real world P4 chipsets and processors are doing really well - enthusiasts tend not to see this from behind their veil of AMD-ocracy.

hallen

12-31-01, 09:26 AM

Andy- I just think people arre tired of paying $200. for the latest board and $50. for something to cool it with.

I was waiting to buy an MPX board and picked up a K7S5A to while away the time. Now I'm hooked on economy.

I'm not a very good representation of your average buyer but I believe AMD has more to gain in Intel buyers switching to 133MHz Durons then to lose from Athlon buyers switching to Duron's.

Whatever AMD does I can see a good business for me in selling pretested 133 and 166MHz FSB combos, now that I see how the bridges can be manipulated.

quegyboe

12-31-01, 11:40 AM

The Duron was made to be a budget CPU. You can't expect AMD to make thier budget CPU as good as the top-of-the-line CPU. That would be like making a 400mhz FSB Celeron!

hallen

12-31-01, 12:14 PM

Boe- It doesn't matter what AMD's policy is, I'm testing this T-Bird 800MHz @ 8 x 113. As soon as I am finished I will make one cut and draw two lines with a pencil and I will be running at 900MHz again only 6 x 150.

I'm making myself a faster computer.

Don't this modified cpu running on a board that only cost $50. would sell quickly at K-Mart?

hallen

12-31-01, 12:14 PM

Boe- It doesn't matter what AMD's policy is, I'm testing this T-Bird 800MHz @ 8 x 113. As soon as I am finished I will make one cut and draw two lines with a pencil and I will be running at 900MHz again only 6 x 150.

I'm making myself a faster computer.

Don't you think this modified cpu running on a board that only cost $50. would sell quickly at K-Mart?

Maximus Nickus

01-01-02, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by hallen

OK. I'm ready to take the plunge with an 800 T-Bird I never liked. Will a single edged razor blade do the trick or should I buy an Exacto knife?

Also, if I end up selling these, is a pencil durable or would you recommend something else?

I used a very sharp pen knife (new blades) and kept going over, I used a lamp directly over my work and also a magnifying glass to view my work, it made many scratches (although they rub off with water strangly) on the chip but its quite easy.

Use pencil to join up the bridges (just don't short them out!!!) as it can be rubbed off if done wrong but it pretty perminant. Unless you take the HSF on and off it will be fine.

You might have to join the L8's with a Pencil to set the default VCore to 1.85V if your making the multiplier higher, else it might not boot because of low voltage.

Quick note as well, you can re-join the bridges you've cut even if they look non-existent and it takes a lot of force to go through them so make sure you do it on a Anti-static bag and soft foam. (Although I did it on a lump of cork!!!!)

Good Luck,

Nick

hallen

01-01-02, 08:55 AM

Thanks Nick- It's looking easier and easier. The 1.85v I've done.

Bidding on eBay for one of these before I start cutting.

Also blades:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1684456116

Harvey

chemmajik

01-11-02, 06:36 AM

Man I love that magnifying glass, sure wish mine had it. I wonder if I could convert mine to add one, my credit card magnifier is a pain to use hehe.

SickBoy

01-11-02, 08:39 AM

I had heard somewhere that when DDR333 boards become more available that the Athlons were going to move to "D" type (166 FSB default). It would make sense at that time to bump the Durons to 133 FSB.

But all us overclockers know we can run a Duron at pretty much anywhere between 100 and 170 or so (at least) with the right board. So who cares what the default settings are?

SB

hallen

01-11-02, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by SickBoy
I had heard somewhere that when DDR333 boards become more available that the Athlons were going to move to "D" type (166 FSB default).

SiS 735 will run 333 FSB Athlons

http://www.theinquirer.net/29080109.htm

wild_andy_c

01-11-02, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by hallen

SiS 735 will run 333 FSB Athlons

http://www.theinquirer.net/29080109.htm

It is the SiS745 that has the official DDR333 support, although still officially only 266MHz FSB support

Please see http://www.sis.com/products/chipsets/oa/socketa/735fea.htm for 735 specifications and http://www.sis.com/products/chipsets/oa/socketa/745.htm for 745 specifications.

wild_andy_c

01-11-02, 02:42 PM

Any support for higher dividers and FSB's are at the discretion of the mainboard manufacturer and not the chipset manufacturer when official chipset support doesn't extend to such frequencies.

nicksoti

01-13-02, 05:54 AM

I'm new member from Greece. Sorry in advance for bad English. I have overclocked a morgan 1G to 1260140 using drilling and defogger kit, because my mobo(gigabyte 7vtxe) doesn't allow mult. change. There I noticed something VERY STRANGE during moding the voltage through L11 bridges(though don't need more than 1.9 yet, but who knows...)the voltages displayed in various sites, such as those mentioned by nick_cw, are correct, but only if counting from 5 to 1 bridge, (instead of 1 to 5)!!!! At least, that's what happens to MY cpu. I firstly started counting from the L11 bridge which is next to "L11" mark, but got strange results. I firstly thought it was something wrong with the drilling(those dam bridges are REALLY deep, have to look very carefully and also put water on them to see if copper stop shining), but after some efforts I noticed that if I count upside-down, all mods were successful!!!!
I suspect that this may occur only in some cpu's, such as Morgan 1G or 1.1G, but not sure.
I wrote those in case someone has problem raising the voltage in such cpu.

hallen

01-13-02, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by nicksoti
I have overclocked a morgan 1G to 1260140 using drilling and defogger kit

Nice work Nick. You are way ahead of me. You might want to start a new thread in the AMD CPU section about modifying Morgans. I think you're way ahead of most everyone else too.

Good luck and enjoy.

Harvey

nicksoti

01-13-02, 05:13 PM

Thanks a lot Hallen. I feel very happy when I have something useful to post. I have also got much help through forums in the past. I don't post messages often(I think it is the 3rd time I do so), because I have very little free time, and also need lot of time to express myself in English quite correctly. I think I will follow your advise and post a new thread about Morgan overclocking and share some thoughts and experiences with other members. I wish I be able to participate in this wonderful forum quite often.
Thanks again, "see" you in my thread I hope :-) .

Nick the Greek

nicksoti

01-15-02, 05:17 PM

I think 133fsb-default Durons will be welcome. I think Morgan with increased fsb is best value CPU. Check mine combined with a cheap kt266a one (gigabyte 7vtxe) against some Athlon combinations in Sisoft:

hallen

01-15-02, 05:58 PM

Nick- Those are great memory scores. The only higher ones I've seen were at 172MHz fsb on an A7M266. Crucial goes even higher but the PCI/AGP divisors are locked.

nicksoti

01-16-02, 07:19 AM

Crucial ddr memory, or any other quality-one is impossible to be found in Greece. Same happens with sdr, it is a matter of luck to find one running at 133fsb cas2 stable. In adition, here some products (especially new chipsets) come with great delay or don't come at all. For example, about 1 1/2 months ago when I decided to buy new motherboard-cpu, the only available kt266A board was Gigabyte VTXE(and maybe still is). Still, the most common boards for sale are older KT133A and KT266 boards. Things are much better with Intel motherboards, as they are usually available on time. As for CPUs, they are also available on time, but some stores have strange prices. For example, Morgans 1G cost about 86 euros, when Athlons 1G 200fsb cost about 125 euros.

hallen

01-16-02, 11:26 AM

Nick- I shipped a pair of Pentium Pro's from an eBay auction to Switzerland. It wasn't any trouble. If you want anything from the US I'm willing to try shipping to Greece.

I think you are on to something with your 7vtxe. Take a look at TC's posting on DDR with Northwood:

http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58856

I think any unlocked T-Bird (1.2 - 1.4GHz) would come close with FSB @ 170+.
Does the 7vtxe have all the overclocking features? i.e. multiplier adjustment ,
vcore and vi/o1 voltage adjustment?

Better idea, if you could go into a store and pick out any board which would you choose?

What's "Have a great day" in Greek?

Harvey

hallen

01-16-02, 06:11 PM

Hi Nick- I answered my own question about the board: 8KHA+

From this thread:

List your Stable Motherboard using Athlon XP

This post by wild_andy_c

http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49926

1. 8KHA+ Rev 2.0
2. 30/11/01
3. 8 * 216MHz
4. 1.91v and 3.1v
5. Turbo, CL 2 and 4 way interleave
6. Windows 2000 Professional SP 2
7. 3DMark2001 loop x 10

And I assure you it is almighty stable indeed

nicksoti

01-16-02, 06:29 PM

Thanks a lot my friend! Of course I would never put you into so much trouble just to have a new motherboard, but I am really impressed with your good will (don't know if my expression is correct, you know some times my grammar is English but my syntax is Greek-forgive me). Well, things are not so bad in Greece, maybe not all products are widely available, but most basics are, unfortunately being a bit expensive.
As for 7VTXE, is a motherboard that Gigabyte first made available in Europe and some eastern countries I believe. I can assume that because, although it was available here in stores since early November-even earlier than the presentation of the mobo in Comdex-Las Vegas!!- I couldn't find any related articles on the internet then.
Well, the mobo has the basics only, allows fsb change up to 161Mhz and Vcore up to 10%. That's all. No mult. change, no agp-dimm voltage, no information about pci division. I know there is a similar model 7VTXH, allowing mult. change with ethernet and 6-ch sound, but not available in Greece.
As for which I would choose, i can't say. KT266A seems to be the most mature chipset, but sis745 or upcomikg kt333 offer more. About brands, I always liked Soyo for very good price-performance rate. Iwill and Epox seem to be very good, but impossible to find here. I never liked QDI and ECS.

Kalimera!! (Have a nice day!!)