View Full Version : Plasma is dead?
I refuse to believe it.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead
I don't think that Pioneer stopping production is a nod at the entire industry, but it certainly doesn't look good. I personally love the image quality of plasma over LCD and especially love it over projection TVs (DLP, LCD Projection, or other).
Doesnt sound right to me. They just introduced their new line at the CES a month ago, why would they do that if they were bailing? Not to mention the new 9mm thick plasma they made.
Also, even if they did bail, they are hardly the mainstream producer of plasma's. Panasonic is far ahead of Pioneer in overall sales, as the Pioneer models are a lot more expensive.
There were also more Plasma's being displayed at CES this year than last by a moderate margin.
Plasma is hardly dead and seems to be making a comeback.
Edit: After reading a bit further it says they are just stopping their plasma panel manufacturing. They could still outsource that to another company.
Shiggity
03-05-08, 10:21 AM
LCDs are just cheaper to make and end up being cheaper on the market place, plasma just cannot compete anymore.
Not to mention the quality is almost the same now with LCD's lasting longer as well.
Plasma is expensive to make, has horrible viewing angles and is lighting dependent and very susceptible to burn in, DLP quality blows plasma away. I can see why plasma is going. The only thing it had over LCD was its contrast ratio's
Plasma is expensive to make, has horrible viewing angles and is lighting dependent and very susceptible to burn in, DLP quality blows plasma away. I can see why plasma is going. The only thing it had over LCD was its contrast ratio's
i'd have to say that your statements are half-truth's.
first, from wikipedia:
Until quite recently, the superior brightness, faster response time, greater color spectrum, and wider viewing angle of color plasma video displays, when compared with LCD televisions, made them one of the most popular forms of display for HDTV flat panel displays. For a long time it was widely believed that LCD technology was suited only to smaller sized televisions, and could not compete with plasma technology at larger sizes, particularly 40 inches (100 cm) and above.
However, since then, improvements in LCD technology have narrowed the technological gap. The lower weight, falling prices, higher available resolution, which is important for HDTV, and often lower electrical power consumption of LCDs make them competitive against plasma displays in the television set market. As of late 2006, analysts note that LCDs are overtaking plasmas, particularly in the important 40-inch (1.0 m) and above segment where plasma had previously enjoyed strong dominance a couple of years before. [4] Another industry trend is the consolidation of manufacturers of plasma displays, with around fifty brands available but only five manufacturers.
So, viewing angles have historically been better with plasma, but LCDs are catching up. LCDs have historically been limited to smaller screens, but they are starting to catch up. Also, burn-in isn't as much an issue anymore as most manufacturers have devised ways to avoid this, and most video games/tv stations know of this problem and move things around on the screen. So, there is almost 0 chance of burn-in with "normal" use today.
I have no idea what you mean by "light dependent" so i don't know how to comment on that. LCDs are light dependent in that they need a light behind the LCD to see the image, if you want to interpret it that way.
And the quality of DLP is debatable. I personally don't like it, i'd rather have an LCD vs. DLP...but even then I still think that the picture produced with a plasma screen is superior to both. And, you cannot wall mount a DLP tv like you can an LCD or Plasma flat-panel.
I have no idea what you mean by "light dependent" so i don't know how to comment on that. LCDs are light dependent in that they need a light behind the LCD to see the image, if you want to interpret it that way.
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He means that plasma's have problems in really bright rooms. The picture will look darker. They are best viewed in rooms with lower ambient light. Though this is becoming less and less a problem now with anti-glare technology.
I have never seen any LCD come close to the best plasma in color and black levels. Personally I do not believe LCD technology will ever have the black levels of a CRT, which plasma's have almost caught up to.
Shiggity
03-05-08, 12:53 PM
He means that plasma's have problems in really bright rooms. The picture will look darker. They are best viewed in rooms with lower ambient light. Though this is becoming less and less a problem now with anti-glare technology.
I have never seen any LCD come close to the best plasma in color and black levels. Personally I do not believe LCD technology will ever have the black levels of a CRT, which plasma's have almost caught up to.
Well the average consumer is saying they don't want to pay extra for that, which you can clearly see from plasma vs LCD sales in the past months.
my den has 2 large windows that I leave open all the time. I wouldn't say that my plasma screen is harder to see in well lit rooms than my lcd computer screen, nor my old crt tv. But, i know some people prefer non-glossy to glossy screens. But some people are the other way around, and i know Apple charges more for a glossy screen on their laptops.
Well the average consumer is saying they don't want to pay extra for that, which you can clearly see from plasma vs LCD sales in the past months.
Plasma sales have been increasing over the last year. Mostly due to good deals and the fact that they are not all the much more expensive than their LCD equivalents sometimes.
The biggest problem is your average consumer is stupid and do not research their options.
Shiggity
03-05-08, 04:09 PM
Plasma sales have been increasing over the last year. Mostly due to good deals and the fact that they are not all the much more expensive than their LCD equivalents sometimes.
The biggest problem is your average consumer is stupid and do not research their options.
True, but LCD production is practically skyrocketing in comparison to plasma. It's not that plasmas are bad, LCD's are cheaper to produce now and will continue to become cheaper at a much faster rate than plasma.
VinnyTAMU
03-05-08, 04:14 PM
One of the big gripes I have against Plasmas are their power requirements. Taken from CNET (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-2.html) the average power draw of a plasma tv is 350 watts vs 222 watts for a LCD.
One of the big gripes I have against Plasmas are their power requirements. Taken from CNET (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-2.html) the average power draw of a plasma tv is 350 watts vs 222 watts for a LCD.
Not much of a difference. Remember you dont leave it on all the time, as you may your computer(s).
Shiggity
03-05-08, 04:17 PM
You also have to consider this:
A factory that is capabale of producing LCD panels is most likely capable of producing LCD panels for computer monitors in addition to televisions. The market-place on your production is 2 fold that of plasma.
SuperDave1685
03-05-08, 04:22 PM
:( I just bought a new 47" Vizio 1080p LCD HDTV in January right before the Super bowl. I was going to invest in a smaller Sony plasma here on base (I think it was a 42" 1080p for like $1499), but the deal on the Vizio was too good to pass up ( Price was $1259 with 10% military discount and includes a HDMI cable). I just find it hard to believe plasmas are on the way out completely. I LOVE the color advantage that even 720p plasmas have over 1080i/p LCD's
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