View Full Version : Router (WRT54G) Constantly "hanging"
I'm not sure what the right word for it is, however this is becoming increasingly annoying.
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Image of my layout with Motorola Cable Modem
What happens is the router will work with torrents, skype, and IM fine. But when I try to browse a new page it will display:
"Waiting for www.example.com" or
"Looking up www.example.com" or
"Transferring data from www.example.com" and eventually say
"Stopped" or "Done" when the page hasn't loaded
Access the router through 19.2.168.1.1 also will no go through while chatting will.
It happens anywhere from five times an hour to five times a day. It usually lasts anywhere from 1-8 minutes, usually around 2-3.
It also will happen when in the middle of loading a page.
Upload speed is not maxed, and even when off it will happen.
F@H on the PS3 doesn't take that much bandwidth and does not upload/download that often.
The Wii is off and not on standby.
My dad's mac does nothing but go on AOL.
It was not happening until a week ago, it was working for a month fine.
It does not drop the connection.
Please help me out, my old wired BEFSR41 disconnected me maybe twice a day, but never this many times. I know something is up.
Thanks.
Put more pennies on the heatsink. But seriously, I may have kind of screwed you on ventilation. Blow a fan on it for a while and lower the overclock and see what happens. Also the DD-WRT I had on it was an old version, maybe update?
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/47976/2005983237238017318_rs.jpg
:(
Someone else posted the GTS deal before me!
Don't you people want your CYBER DEALS?
Does it only happen when you have torrents open? If so you should read this (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Router_Slowdown)
VinnyTAMU
03-12-08, 01:10 PM
It sounds like it might not be an issue with your router but more an issue with your PC. Going by what you say, it seems that all traffic is passed/routed through the router without problems with the exception of http traffic. Does the same problem happen with Internet Explorer? Does your dad's mac experience the same issue? Maybe your ISP's DNS server is having issues. Could be a number of things.
Cheator
03-12-08, 02:30 PM
I had this happen with my WRT54G v1, v2.2, v3, and my Asus WL-500G Premium. I know what you mean :)
To fix this, I installed DD-WRT. It usually helped, but the big cause of it was torrents. Too many conenctions means it can't open any more. WRT54Gs are nutorious for leaving connections open.
What version of the router do you have?
DD-WRT ver. 23 pack 2 I believe.
You guys might be right, maybe I'm maxing out the 1500 I set.
I'll check once my computer stop crashing before it loads Windows though.
Cheator
03-12-08, 02:41 PM
It also might not be able to handle that. Upgrade to 24 btw. It has serious improvements.
It also might not be able to handle that. Upgrade to 24 btw. It has serious improvements.
I need to get my computer working first ;)
HDD probably finally kicked the bucket.
Other guess is running 1.53V through my E6600 for 2 weeks, but I donn't think that would do it, since I set it back to stock and it still crashed.
*BSOD after trying to load start-up programs.
nvidiaOCmaster
03-12-08, 03:16 PM
My WRT54GS did that all the time. I cracked it open and sinked it up, and I also added a 80mm fan. No problems since.
My WRT54GS did that all the time. I cracked it open and sinked it up, and I also added a 80mm fan. No problems since.
It has a copper HS but no hieght above the plastic it is on. The area above the router is a hole though, so it should be ok?
It's currently at 25mw instead of 28mw and at 216Mhz clock speed.
Temp is 46C
http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/48959/2002825717226318402_rs.jpg
Looks like it's max connections ;)
Does Windows have a max, or does it only follow what the router tells it to?
**Set router to 2048 active IP connections instead of 512 defualt, I opened up torrent started seeding, and got to 460 in no time. I'll keep checking on it, but hopefully this fixes it. Thanks guys! (Especially Dermen's link :attn:)
*** Set maximum concurrent TCP connections to 50 instead of 10 a second.
**** Still getting the hanging error with BT open (9 connected, 1800 available), and when I was opening tabs on OCF.
*****Even with torrents off it still hung for a bit now... I'll look into upgrading into v24 firmware if it's stable. :(
What did you set your timeouts to? I find lowering that usually helps more than increasing the max ports.
This is what I use:
Max ports: 2048
TCP timeout: 120
UDP timeout: 120
check the dd-wrt wiki for info on what is recommended for the max connections and tcp time outs. btw I think Dermen's numbers are exactly what you will find in the dd-wrt wiki. The wiki does have some more explanation if you care to know why these numbers are what they are.
Cheator
03-13-08, 01:09 PM
Btw windows xp sp2 has a max of 10 connections. You need to up it in windows using some registry hacks or a few tools floating around the net. I increase mine to 50
What did you set your timeouts to? I find lowering that usually helps more than increasing the max ports.
This is what I use:
Max ports: 2048
TCP timeout: 120
UDP timeout: 120
check the dd-wrt wiki for info on what is recommended for the max connections and tcp time outs. btw I think Dermen's numbers are exactly what you will find in the dd-wrt wiki. The wiki does have some more explanation if you care to know why these numbers are what they are.
They have been set to 2048, 120, 120 and the router is still hanging. (Was set to 90 at first, but it warned of some idle IM program problems)
Btw windows xp sp2 has a max of 10 connections. You need to up it in windows using some registry hacks or a few tools floating around the net. I increase mine to 50
Already was set to 50, still hangs.
Also lowered max connections in torrent down to 950, but I;m not connecting anywhere near that amount.
Is there anything I can watch for in my router status?
p.s. I'll be updating to v24 over the weekend
Did you follow the wiki to see how many TCP and UDP connections there are open? That might help figure out what is wrong. (This is one thing I like about Tomato firmware, you can monitor this in the GUI)
Also 950 connections is a lot, I use 200 which is utorrent's default and can still max out my bandwidth.
Did you follow the wiki to see how many TCP and UDP connections there are open? That might help figure out what is wrong. (This is one thing I like about Tomato firmware, you can monitor this in the GUI)
Also 950 connections is a lot, I use 200 which is utorrent's default and can still max out my bandwidth.
Actually the past day I changed it (just checked) it's 99 atm.
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RJARRRPCGP
03-13-08, 09:10 PM
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/47976/2005983237238017318_rs.jpg
The first symptoms you said I dunno about, but the screenshot looks like the internet connection died.
The first symptoms you said I dunno about, but the screenshot looks like the internet connection died.
Except Skype, torrents, and IM all work flawlessly. It maintains a connection.\
** Happened twice again today. Time was only about 30 seconds though.
Do this to check how many UDP and TCP connections are open.
Even if this occurs and the router doesn't respond to pings nor HTTP, you still can check what's going on:
Close all your P2P/network applications and wait a few minutes for connections to be freed.
Try to telnet or SSH into your router. If that's not possible, reboot.
Check to see if your problem is caused by TCP or UDP connections:
cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max
grep -c ^udp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
grep -c ^tcp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
RockerGuy
03-14-08, 02:28 PM
I am sure u probably tried this already. Did u try connecting directly to the modem? to eliminate that it is the router problem?
My old router would disconnect only on Games, other than that its fine. I am getting a new 1 tho.
Do this to check how many UDP and TCP connections are open.
Even if this occurs and the router doesn't respond to pings nor HTTP, you still can check what's going on:
Close all your P2P/network applications and wait a few minutes for connections to be freed.
Try to telnet or SSH into your router. If that's not possible, reboot.
Check to see if your problem is caused by TCP or UDP connections:
cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max
grep -c ^udp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
grep -c ^tcp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
I read that in the guide, but where do I type that?
Also hung 4 times today, but I got it working with Wii.
Enablingwolf
03-16-08, 02:02 AM
Are you on Road Runner perhaps?
If you are, this is normal for them. Somethings work great and others timeout or do not exist. Completely random how it happens to.
Are you on Road Runner perhaps?
If you are, this is normal for them. Somethings work great and others timeout or do not exist. Completely random how it happens to.
Yes, with Time Warner Cable, do they just decide to **** off their customers by blocking web browsing access or what. :bang head
gangaskan
03-16-08, 06:48 AM
Yes, with Time Warner Cable, do they just decide to **** off their customers by blocking web browsing access or what. :bang head
its the crappy modems they give you ;) sometimes i know my modem (its a winstar) it hangs up every once and a while.
the thing blows i would rather have a linksys when i get the $ to do so.
Enablingwolf
03-16-08, 09:23 AM
Yes, with Time Warner Cable, do they just decide to **** off their customers by blocking web browsing access or what. :bang head
LOL how did I know it was Road Runner? It was not a guess out of the blue....
I even can even safely assume sometimes the TV side of the service acts dumb also randomly? Major slow downs during (MoD)downloads and channel guide? The box just lock up randomly and goes bonkers?
It is how the service is.. I get the same stuff here.
It is not the modems. It is just about all the WAN and the firmware they use for the stuff. I think it kind of sucks that your in the LA market. You have it the worst.
Oh, how do you like that redirect page they give us for bad addresses?
If Time Warner was not my only pick for Cable TV/internet. I would not use them. I would gladly use DSL and pay for lower speeds for stable. It is sometimes so bad here. I am seriously considering dial up so I can get stable surfing.
He said when it hangs he can't connect to the router either, that has nothing to do with Time Warner.
Telnet into your router by opening a command prompt and typing 'telnet <router IP>'
Login with the same username/password that you use with the GUI
Type the following commands and write down what comes back:
cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max
grep -c ^udp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
grep -c ^tcp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
Enablingwolf
03-16-08, 12:58 PM
He said when it hangs he can't connect to the router either, that has nothing to do with Time Warner.
Telnet into your router by opening a command prompt and typing 'telnet <router IP>'
Login with the same username/password that you use with the GUI
Type the following commands and write down what comes back:
cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max
grep -c ^udp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
grep -c ^tcp /proc/net/ip_conntrack
To use telnet. You need to use the name root and the normal key for the GUI.
It is a DNS issue. I get the same thing. My router is a v1 .0 of the GS. You need to use other than rr dns servers. RR shapes traffic and it effects anything dealing with DNS and IP's/
.. uses Linux.
I have totally close issues and I am in the NEO market. RR DNS just blow chunks.
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/49272/2003508856124991787_rs.jpg
Normal usage
Firefox, Trillian, Google Talk, and torrents open.
Thanks for sticking with me. I'm still not clear on why rr would be able to supposedly do what it is doing...
Enablingwolf
03-16-08, 04:52 PM
The service just sucks. It is just sad and in the big L on the forehead kind of thing for them bieng so bad and not looking out for the customer base.
Hint: Look on dsl reports and you will see that your not the only one who has crappy service. I do not even post up, since there is a shill or crapper who seems to work for rr or what ever.
Odd that everything works great.. then all the sudden something does not.. As in page surfing. Then reload it does. I would assume everyone's router is crapping out. :rolleyes:
Here is something fun for you to try. Type in your broswer:
gsdxdgffgk.com
Do you get a special page? Or have to set a cookie to avoid it?
I am on the best package they offer, short of biz class. It sucks.. No arguments from me. I m not forced to use it per sey. I can turn it off and go elsewhere for my surfing needs. Soon enough we are going to be metered.
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/46151/2005151367409786195_rs.jpg
Just came up, no cookies to avoid.
Enablingwolf
03-16-08, 05:16 PM
If you notice next to the search thingy ma bobber (powered by yahell). There is a link.. that is where the cookie gets set.
I have gotten it on legit urls. My page surfing at times is well slower than dial, or sometimes just take its sweet time to not even load the page I want.
All your surfs belong to Road Runner.
If you notice next to the search thingy ma bobber (powered by yahell). There is a link.. that is where the cookie gets set.
I have gotten it on legit urls. My page surfing at times is well slower than dial, or sometimes just take its sweet time to not even load the page I want.
All your surfs belong to Road Runner.
LIES
The package is pretty cheap, though, and verizon gave me disconnects to.
Maybe the cable to my apartment is bad or something.
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/49272/2003508856124991787_rs.jpg
Normal usage
Firefox, Trillian, Google Talk, and torrents open.
Thanks for sticking with me. I'm still not clear on why rr would be able to supposedly do what it is doing...
That doesn't seem like too many, did you check when you were having problems or when everything was working fine?
That doesn't seem like too many, did you check when you were having problems or when everything was working fine?
When it was working fine with all the said programs running.
I'll try to do it again when it hangs, but so far it hasn't today.
Speak of the devil...
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Is your router rebooting? It should tell you the uptime in the upper right corner.
Uptime: 1 day, 20:04
Nope, I reset it manually 2 days ago to see if it cleared up the hanging.
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Happened twice today, just added a fan. Hopefully it stop happening.
**Temps dropped from 47C to 27C
Just was hanging for 20 minutes with the fan on it :cry: :shrug: :( :bang head
I don't know what else to try. Have you tried posting on the DD-WRT forums for help?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's Firefox...
Man, it was so obvious sitting right there in front of us(me). :bang head
I feel dumb.
IE7 works fine. Mac on same router works ok. (My dad was complaining ther internet kept dying, but it turns out he is just impatient).
I'm gonna reinstall FF, back up all my bookmarks and extensions, passwords etc. Maybe I got a cookie overload or something.
VinnyTAMU
03-18-08, 08:58 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's Firefox...
Man, it was so obvious sitting right there in front of us(me). :bang head
I feel dumb.
IE7 works fine. Mac on same router works ok. (My dad was complaining ther internet kept dying, but it turns out he is just impatient).
I'm gonna reinstall FF, back up all my bookmarks and extensions, passwords etc. Maybe I got a cookie overload or something.
If only you would have listened to me in post #5! J/K:beer:
Well last night it hung once after a re-install...
I removed some add-ons and two themes, hopefully that does the trick.
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