PC3000 DDR Out!

[AllRoy]

What do you make of this:

PC3000 (http://www.abilitywholesale.com/product.asp?0=227&1=266&3=272)

[HaM]

What the... is that...?
I guess that would be the step after the PC-2700. Can anyone confirm what this RAM is, and if it would actually run as a PC-3000 module??

[HaM]

Okay, i found a little something on it. Looks like it can hit 186 (366DDR). Anyone know much about this RAM?

http://www.ocztech.com/press/2001/dec/21.html

[Placid]

Try it and let us know how it does.
They don't give any spec's as far as speed of the chips.
You might want to read about the fake ocz here:

http://www.hardwareoc.com/newsarchive/arc-20011212.html

[AllRoy]

hmmm..its on their authorized list...is it worth an $80 gamble? :P

[Placid]

Well looking at the crucial site just now shows 256mb for $72 so I guess if at the worst it performs only as well as crucial 2100 no great loss.

[HugoHenry]

ComponentAUthority.com has a good deal about it and at a cheaper price. It is OCZ ram and you can go to Overclockerz.com, the people that make the ram, And check it out also.

[Holst]

To be PC-3000 shouldnt it run at 200fsb ?

Or have I oversimplified things.

I think it should use at least 5ns chips to be PC-3000 although again my gesimated calculations may be out.

[Virus]

Isn't it just great that ocz's site has been down for the past week? Anyway, I wouldn't buy this stuff. After the trouble I had, and I know it isn't just me, with their 2700 I am shocked they even released 3000. I would just wait until Kingmax releases their 3000. After all, they are the only company with REAL 2700 out, not just oc'ed stuff. To my knowledge no other company even has real 2400 out. I vistit Hong Kong frequently and for those that don't know much about Kingmax, they are like the Crucial of Asia and Europe. I personally have a stick of there 2700 and was have it stable at a 160 fsb, and am waiting another day to push it more. I haven't even increaed the voltage yet! However, I am a little unsure about doing that because I have heard that it doesn't do well with high voltage...doesn't need them high anyway. I want to see ocz go out of biz. The only thing that I have ever liked from their was their titan 3 video card that I bought only because they only gave me in store credit for the ram I sent back. And their heatsinks are made poorly. Bash OCZ! Lol. I just went a little overboard. But, it is true, don't waste your cash on OCZ.

[Placid]

Originally posted by Holst
To be PC-3000 shouldnt it run at 200fsb ?

Or have I oversimplified things.

I think it should use at least 5ns chips to be PC-3000 although again my gesimated calculations may be out.

You are right but the current pcb design does not allow 200mhz stable so they sell it as 2700.

Mushkin also sells 2700 ddr with 6ns chips.

http://www.mushkin.com/cgi-bin/Mushkin.storefront/3c315d140bb1f63c2740c0a801020618/Product/View/990864

Samsung also show's 2700 ddr as being in mass production since early december.

http://www.samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/search/datasheet.jsp?family=145

I am sure there will be more to come in the next few month's.

[TRANCER24]

Everyone is talking about Kingmax Mushkin and OCZ. Where is the Micron pc2700 that runs at cas 1.3 that is what i have been looking for. Is it out yet? does anyone know about this memory?

[Placid]

Micron is supposed to sell some 2700 ddr soon.
I don't know about cas 1.5 as no ddr motherboard's use that at present that I know of.

Here is a article from 8 dec where the reviewer used a engineering sample of the micron 2700 (333) ddr.

http://www.exhardware.com/reviews.php?Id=49&Page=4

And here is the micron web page:
http://www.micron.com/products/category.jsp?path=/DRAM/DDR+SDRAM&ct=hp.pl

These are the spec's listed.Timing - Cycle Time
6ns @ CL = 2.5 (DDR333B--FBGA) -6 Supports PC2700 modules with 2.5-3-3 timing
6ns @ CL = 2.5 (DDR333B--TSOP) -6T Supports PC2700 modules with 2.5-3-3 timing.

http://www.micron.com/products/datasheet.jsp?path=/DRAM/DDR+SDRAM&fileID=675

I did talk to someone who got the ocz 3000 ddr.
He said it has nanya 7ns chips and he could only get it to 166mhz.

[OC-Master]

Thats right, there out and they are fast, actually, they can run 100% stable @ 366MHz CL2.5 / 333MHz CL2 or 266MHz CL1.3

Now, thats POWER MAN!

My friend is running his Duron with a 383FSB and his OCZ ram is @ 383MHz with CL2.5!

383MHz Ram! with Duron!

OCZ DDR PC3000 Memory
http://www.ocztech.com/products/memory/ddr/pc3000/index.html


p.s - I wonder how OCZ PC3000 DDR compares with Micron's DDRII PC2700? I bet it's gatta be close!

[HeXiDeciMaL]

Damn man, must be expensive ****. companies make the MOST profit from selling Ram cuz those ram chips are relatively EASY to make and design.... Same with DDR, they basically use the SAME chips as SDR ram, but with different PCB 'n ****... It only takes 5% more to make DDR ram compared to SDR, yet they're charging 2x the price for DDR.

Think about it, 2 sticks of good quality 256MB DDR ram (like KingMax DDR333) costs about $160, which is more than enough to buy you an AXP 1700+.... But which costs more to design and make?? THE CPU!!

[xgman]

This stuff is overclocked pc2100! The chips are 7.5ns chips according to OCZ as far as I know. Be carefull!

[xgman]

Folks, Component Autrhority is selling counterfeit ram. OCZ 3000 oir whatever is just overclocked pc2100 and not that good at that. I have had this ram and know. Others have been ripped off by the ocz resellers. Plenty about it on amdmb.com forums

http://www.amdforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=81008

Be warned!!

[HugoHenry]

Go with Kingmax. True 5ns PC2700 333Mhz ram.
Can't beat it.

[HaM]

Ive posted about these before... These are actually cheap. 256mb module is about 80 to 90 dollars. These are 2.5 CAS 6ns chips. I thought about buying them, seeing as how they are very cheap for PC3000, but would feel MUCH better with Kingmax or the new Corsair PC2700 modules. Right now i have the Corsair XMS2400, so maybe ill just wait a bit longer.

[xgman]

If you are going with Kingmax, make sure their is a -05 on the second line of the chip. If it is 07a it is a 7.5 ns part. I have seen both with the same DDR333 part number.

[Thermal]

Originally posted by grdh20
This stuff is overclocked pc2100! The chips are 7.5ns chips according to OCZ as far as I know. Be carefull!

It's True...It's Damn True!:eek:

[herbal'|']

It's true, I have some. It will run stably at 183MHz like OCZ claims it will. If anyone is interested, I found some cheap at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1318717410.

[herbal'|']

[edit: didn't mean to double post, sorry]

[AllRoy]

So does anyone besides herbal'|' actually have this stuff to test it out?

[herbal'|']

I can give some more information about this RAM now that mine has sold. The PC3000 will run at 183MHz, but only with the lowest timings. I mean CL2.5 with it set on normal. With it set at CL2 and turbo, It wouldn't even do 150. My Crucial PC2100 would do 160MHz at CL2 and Turbo, this gave me much better scores in Sandra and 3dMark than the PC3000 at 183MHz with the lower timings. I would definately not recommend this RAM to anyone. I am going to replace mine with Kingmax 5ns PC2700. I can comment on its performance when I receive it in about a week.

[AtomicGuY]

PC2700 DDR2 Ram is currently the fastest ram on the planet thats backwards compatible with DDR. Currently, only certain oem distributers and cad class administrators can get ahold of these nice batches of ram.

My DDR Ram can run @ 166MHz with CL2. At 150MHz, I can use an even faster mode which gives me a CL1.3 rating, with assigning the ram timings to Ultra instead of Turbo.

At the time, I paid $309 CAN per stick which isnt too too bad.

[AtomicGuY]

No, no!, OCZ PC3000 Ram is 5.5ns which means its garuanteed to be stable @ 366MHz CL2.5.

5ns = PC3300 CL2.5 DDR-Ram
5.5ns = PC3000 CL2.5 DDR-Ram
6ns = PC2700 CL2.5 DDR-Ram
7.5ns = PC2100 CL2.5 DDR-Ram
10ns = PC1600 CL2.5 DDR-Ram

Now, most brand name ram companies offer higher performance ram with lower latencies which have better timinigs and ratins,


4.5ns = PC3300 CL2???
5.5ns = PC2700 CL2
7ns or 7E = PC2100 CL2
8ns = PC1600 CL2

Hope this helps!

[rogue1979]

This DDR Ram thing is getting crazy. I have Crucial PC2100, OCZ and Corsair PC2400. It all ran 167MHz+ at cas 2. The OCZ and Crucial run 8,8,7,2,7,2,2 at this speed, the Corsair 8,8,4,3,7,2,3

[herbal'|']

OCZ PC3000 is definately NOT 5.5ns. If it were and what you said was true, AtomicGuY, then it would be able to do 166MHz at CL2. At CL2, it can barely do 150MHz. In my opinion it's just overclocked 7.5 or 7ns, because my Crucial PC2100 can handle more than it can. Does anybody have any links to these certain OEM distributors? I've been looking for that DDRII, but can't find any.

[xgman]

I have it from the source that in fact, OCZ pc3000 is 7.5ns hand picked chips. They had some nanya 6ns chips which were so-so as well, but that was labeled ddr333/pc2700. In addition I have the -05 kigmax parts and CTSPD reads them as 6ns not 5ns.

[herbal'|']

CTSPD reads the speed of the chips from the northbridge, not the RAM itself. So therefore unless you have a chipset that supports DDR333, which right now is pretty much limited to the ALi Magik1, it can't be trusted as a true representation of the RAM's chip speed. I believe that the Kingmax is true 5ns RAM, I have ordered some, but it has not arrived yet. Who wants to bet that it will be leaps and bounds ahead of the OCZ PC3000 that, thankfully, I sold two days ago.

[Samzik]

Originally posted by Holst
To be PC-3000 shouldnt it run at 200fsb ?

Or have I oversimplified things.

I think it should use at least 5ns chips to be PC-3000 although again my gesimated calculations may be out.



NO NO NOO

PC 2100 = 2x8x133
PC 2700 = 2x8x168
PC 3000 = 2x8x187

so here u go u get 1600=2x8x100 its ddr formula for all speeds and btw the 300 mhz stuf is BS !for futher information read (http://www.componentauthority.com/cas2vscas3an.html)

[Placid]

Originally posted by herbal'|'
OCZ PC3000 is definately NOT 5.5ns. If it were and what you said was true, AtomicGuY, then it would be able to do 166MHz at CL2. At CL2, it can barely do 150MHz. In my opinion it's just overclocked 7.5 or 7ns, because my Crucial PC2100 can handle more than it can. Does anybody have any links to these certain OEM distributors? I've been looking for that DDRII, but can't find any.

DDRII will not be publicly available until 2003 according to several "in the know" places.

[herbal'|']

That's what I was under the impression of as well, but lately, I've been reading on different forums how people have bought it already. I was just curious, oh well, I bought my Kingmax PC2700 5ns today, so it really doesn't matter anymore.

[GoldenTiger]

How am I not surprised? OCZ has always been faking things for years. That's why you can be banned for even mentioning their store at hardforum.com, anandtech.com, and many other forums :).