View Full Version : WATER CHILLERS SUCK!
hank123
05-19-08, 12:53 AM
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/-33001.jpg
more to come :attn:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/waterchiller029.jpg
updated
!!!! That's just mean to post a teaser like that.
!!!! That's just mean to post a teaser like that.
Quoted for emphasis.
You can have your firstborn back (unless you dont want him back, then ill give him back regardless) after I get more pics. Im planning one out, and im thinking of just building a reservoir around the air conditioner's evaporator.
hank123
05-19-08, 01:32 AM
dont worry give me a day or 2 LOL
Albaholic
05-19-08, 01:50 AM
Need more pix please.
HDCHOPPER
05-19-08, 01:52 AM
hahahahahaha good 1
jivetrky
05-19-08, 01:55 AM
ha! Water chillers suck indeed. Suck the heat out of your loop! (yeah that was lame)
-28c, very nice!
hank123
05-19-08, 02:55 AM
Need more pix please.
k how bout this hahahahaahahaha
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/waterchiller018.jpg
room mate that set me up with the AC unit for FREE!
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/fold-3.jpg
folding at 3.65 on a e2180 with 1.6 in bios 1.552 in windows 1.536 under load 100% and not getting any warmer then 20C!!!
quick death run at 1.8V trying to get that 4Ghz think mobo is holding me back only have gotten 3.9. Its the DS3L.
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/39-1.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/waterchiller048.jpg
Nice job. we want more pics and benchies!... especially frosty pics.
Brolloks
05-19-08, 09:37 AM
Nice work Hank my friend, now put that hot quad under the chiller and give us 4.5 Ghz:burn:
hank123
05-19-08, 09:38 PM
ya the f-ing mobo (ds3l by gigabyte) is holding me back i think. im going to by a extra abit pro P35 and do it with that.
unless u all have a mobo for under 100 bucks that will clock like crazy.
Ill get some block frostys pics later. Ill see if I cant some other ones!
I hope I can get the q6600 at or above 4.0Ghz 24/7 to kill some MOFOS folding!
hank123
05-19-08, 09:41 PM
its hard to see but bout 5 mins running and she was getting nice and frosty!
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/waterchiller015.jpg
trying to get this sonbitch re-wired was a mother too.
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/waterchiller021.jpg
I really want to get some good frostys of the block but the dam water gets so COLD that the hoses become hard as rocks and I will have to let it sit all day to warm up. I let the water sit for 18 hours it was -25C when i came home it was 1C and like 80F all day in the garage
hank123
05-19-08, 09:44 PM
Nice job. we want more pics and benchies!... especially frosty pics.
what kind of benches do u want brother? lets just stick with CPU stuff. I could try to clock the video card too. but for now CPU.
hank123
05-19-08, 11:14 PM
start of the frosty
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/frosty002.jpg
1/2 hour later
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/frosty007.jpg
the cooler. water at -25C
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/frosty004.jpg
i just popped off the block left the thermal paste on and let her frost.
Notice hte ice on the heat exchanger? You need to put a circulating pump in the system, very easy, trick to do is on the output of it tube to a PVC 1/2" tube, and drill a ton of 1/4" holes in the side of that and put that against the heat exchanger, so it blasts liquid thru the fins.
hank123
05-20-08, 12:04 AM
thats a pretty good idea! where can i find some pics of this? hell even if i get a 1C drop so worth it!
thanks
El<(')>Maxi
05-20-08, 02:35 AM
Nice chiller :thup:
How loud is that rotary?
hank123
05-20-08, 10:50 AM
it makes some noise. little less then if it was in the window.
AlabamaCajun
05-20-08, 12:30 PM
Nice! I did not notice the Minus sign at first wholy banana sunday that's cold. From these results, it might be possible to run a 500-900BTU window floor shaker and keep a rig are two in the teens. The good thing is it should run for 20 years non-stop with the fact the compressor is running colder than design spec :thup:
Next step, running a geothermal loop to the condenser for some extreme green cooling.
what kind of benches do u want brother? lets just stick with CPU stuff. I could try to clock the video card too. but for now CPU.
yeah. we want the max yuo can get out of that proc. :D:D:D im talking SP 1m and 32m runs, pifast.. the lot.
SuperDave1685
05-20-08, 01:03 PM
lol hank, Good luck with my quad. I'm sure it'll make that loop cry for mercy :D You can get 3.6Ghz out of her. 4Ghz, I'm not so sure... Nice loop :) Makes me wanna build one myself :attn:
-Dave
gsrcrxsi
05-20-08, 01:18 PM
im confused. if the water is at -25C how is it flowing? how is it not frozen? unless you are using alcohol or something.
blakehenry00
05-20-08, 04:00 PM
Ever notice how flowing rivers don't freeze? Can't tell you exactly why.
gsrcrxsi
05-20-08, 05:59 PM
thats ALOT of water, and the energy of the moving water keeps it right at the freezing/melting temp of 0C or slightly higher. this is way lower and should freeze if its that temp.
pejsaboy
05-20-08, 06:49 PM
anti-freeze is my guess...
WarriorII
05-20-08, 06:58 PM
I'm going to come up later this summer and we can chill :beer: & :soda:
:attn:
I like meeting other members.
hank123
05-20-08, 07:07 PM
lol hank, Good luck with my quad. I'm sure it'll make that loop cry for mercy :D You can get 3.6Ghz out of her. 4Ghz, I'm not so sure... Nice loop :) Makes me wanna build one myself :attn:
-Dave
ya dude it will be my cherry GO with the lower vid 1.225. so it should do pretty good!
yeah. we want the max yuo can get out of that proc. :D:D:D im talking SP 1m and 32m runs, pifast.. the lot.
I think the mobo is holding me back. It is a P35 chip set but a lower end one. Im going to get a remand abit P35 Vmod it and it should be bad ass!
so in a week or so I will get better numbers! but for now 3.9 on that e2180 is the best I think I can do.
im confused. if the water is at -25C how is it flowing? how is it not frozen? unless you are using alcohol or something.
look below
Ever notice how flowing rivers don't freeze? Can't tell you exactly why.
maybe
anti-freeze is my guess...
bingo! The one thing that i was watching out for is it getting to thick. Im running bout 35-45% mix (35%-45% anti-freeze) and it seems to work dam good! it does freeze around the heat exchange where its DAM cold.
I'm going to come up later this summer and we can chill :beer: & :soda:
:attn:
I like meeting other members.
your gonna freeze your ass off brother. sounds good!
gsrcrxsi
05-20-08, 07:21 PM
then i was right. ethylene glycol (the main ingredient in antifreeze) is an alcohol. i was just under the impression that you were running straight water in the loop.
WarriorII
05-20-08, 07:46 PM
It will be worth it to meet another Fine Member of our Forums.
:attn:
hank123
05-20-08, 11:08 PM
k ran into some problems to nite. had water building up round the block. causing problems. need to know if its ok to put dielectric grease on the pins.
hank123
05-21-08, 01:03 AM
put dielectric grease on good to go! ran the voltage up to 1.8 in the bios (sucks ass going from 1.6V to 1.8V) could boot way over 4.0Ghz but would blue screen in windows.
3.95 is the best i got. ill up load the pics of the -33C water tomorrow !!!! dam thats cold!
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/4runninghank/395.jpg
anyone see a problem running 1.6V in the bios 1.568 in windows and 1.552 under load any if im lucky touching 50C? i know it sits a 0 or below 0C (reads -8 in the bios does not read right in windows tell i load in and warm her up a bit)
I want to fold at this speed!
-33! i have to see that. nice job on the 4G.
hank123
05-21-08, 12:31 PM
i need a better mobo to clock higher. I know this chip can do it!
nd4spdbh2
05-21-08, 10:13 PM
eh not so sure its the mobo man, that chipset can do 400 fsb like a walk in the park, hell my old ass 975x chipset did 445fsb.
but the jump from 1.6-1.8 does suck dont look like you got much vdroop tho... hehe gotta love ds3l vdroop mod.
hank123
05-21-08, 11:44 PM
eh not so sure its the mobo man, that chipset can do 400 fsb like a walk in the park, hell my old ass 975x chipset did 445fsb.
but the jump from 1.6-1.8 does suck dont look like you got much vdroop tho... hehe gotta love ds3l vdroop mod.
thats whats killing me. then it goes 1.8 to 2.0. right booted for bout 15 sec at 2.0 and it was like 70C in the bios. shut down.
I need just a wee bit more over 1.8 in the bios to break the 4.0Ghz mark. On top of that the voltage controls and not being able to control the % for the CPU REF i think hurts some.
going up that much in voltage had to adj the hard mod a little. works freaken GREAT!
nd4spdbh2
05-22-08, 10:33 AM
thats whats killing me. then it goes 1.8 to 2.0. right booted for bout 15 sec at 2.0 and it was like 70C in the bios. shut down.
I need just a wee bit more over 1.8 in the bios to break the 4.0Ghz mark. On top of that the voltage controls and not being able to control the % for the CPU REF i think hurts some.
going up that much in voltage had to adj the hard mod a little. works freaken GREAT!
holly bejuz you booted at 2.0V THATS INSANE! u gotta give that lil chip a break man, its only an e2180 :beer:
holly bejuz you booted at 2.0V THATS INSANE! u gotta give that lil chip a break man, its only an e2180 :beer:
...All the more reason to give it 2.0.
...All the more reason to give it 2.0.
exactly.
Am I reading this right? Your liquid temperature is -33C and your CPU temperature is 70C?
Am I reading this right? Your liquid temperature is -33C and your CPU temperature is 70C?
I was also a tad gerflumaxed when i read that.
hank123
05-22-08, 09:00 PM
dude 2.0V is a lot of power for a e2180. The water is reading -33 in the cooler so coming up it might be -20s. The cpu when at stock speeds and voltage reads min of -8C. I still need to work out a few bugs. but im getting there.
That shouldn't be happening. It seems like you have a (very) bad waterblock mount. My first time mounting mine up was about the same, but it turned out I overinsulated. You're going want to check your mount for sure. A 2180 is peanuts for a chiller like that. You won't have any issues until you throw it a load triple that or so.
The CPU at stock reading -8 is the first red flag. I can get temps like that when my liquid is at about -10 or so. At -33 with a load that weak, the CPU should be well into the -20's. You've got either a TIM problem or an insulation problem getting in the way.
Another potential issue is your liquid itself. First of all, using such a large amount of antifreeze will slam you with very high viscosity. High enough that it'll have a noticeable effect on performance. Second, you mentioned it's already freezing the mix you're running. There's a chance it's a little slushy. Really to avoid that would take a mix of more 60-70% AF, which is no good.
The coolant of choice in chillers such as these is denatured alcohol. It's very expensive unfortunately, but it will deliver better performance by quite a bit compared to anything else, since it has low viscosity and won't start thickening until well into -50 range. For now it's probably unnecessary for you, but it could be something to think about if you ever want to squeeze all the performance you can out of your chiller.
I actually used that exact same Coleman cooler on mine a couple of years ago...then I ditched it because it was too big and unmanageable. Though, it's a balance. A smaller res gets you far quicker pulldown time, but less capacity. Right now for example, I'm using it to only cool a northbridge and have only about a gallon and a half in my res. Takes only a few minutes to pull down to -35, but probably won't be able to handle much heavier of a load than a northbridge.
Forgive me, with about 40 posts of props, I hope one post of scrutiny will be all right. :beer:
hank123
05-23-08, 09:27 AM
Thanks brother. I keep running into problems. insulation is one problem. came home a puddle last nigher on the mobo.
**** has been getting so cold its jamming the lines. ECT. im working on it. give me a few more days.
SuperDave1685
05-23-08, 10:49 AM
Don't Worry Hank, my Q6600 will heat that water up nicely :D
hank123
05-24-08, 10:47 PM
update. got the -32 pic up. dam dave ur fawking CPU runs HOT! at no load its running -6 or more (cant tell windows does not read it right) but fawk it loads up temp wise. need to check a few things.
hank123
05-25-08, 09:13 PM
well I put in daves special B3 Q6600 and fried my mobo last night.
FAWK!
I think it was cause of the puddle of water i came home to a few days ago. i thought i smelled something burning when i was clocking it... thought it was the 5 dollar CRT i got from the thrift store.
nope. no worries. Got a ABIT IP35 coming in this week!
AlabamaCajun
05-26-08, 11:51 PM
well I put in daves special B3 Q6600 and fried my mobo last night.
FAWK!
I think it was cause of the puddle of water i came home to a few days ago. i thought i smelled something burning when i was clocking it... thought it was the 5 dollar CRT i got from the thrift store.
nope. no worries. Got a ABIT IP35 coming in this week!
That crazy but a few good mobos have to die for the good of overclocking.
Awesome job man! Saw those AC units in walmart today for 96 buck, **** thats not much more than the cost of the copper. In 1980 we paid 350 bucks for a unit that handled less BTUs.
hank123
05-28-08, 02:47 PM
That crazy but a few good mobos have to die for the good of overclocking.
Awesome job man! Saw those AC units in walmart today for 96 buck, **** thats not much more than the cost of the copper. In 1980 we paid 350 bucks for a unit that handled less BTUs.
Your making yourself sound real old. so what u waiting for old timer?
Looks like I will have to push off the date for a abit mobo for it. its coming stay tuned!
SuperDave1685
05-28-08, 04:34 PM
lol hank. I told you its a heat monster :)
hank123
05-28-08, 07:08 PM
lol hank. I told you its a heat monster :)
think clocks like a champ! had it up to 2.7 on 1.184V. ran HOT! dont worry. it might get FIXED. remove the IHS!
how is the waterblock holding up with the low temps? the GT has black plasticky stiff on the top, be carefull it doesnt crack. and also how is the pump doing, I havnt really seen people using normal pumps for this kinda thing, they usually use iwakis or some some industrial pump.
Im gunna be using my GTX which is mostly metal and an eheim 1048 cos I dont wanna risk my D4.
hank123
05-29-08, 11:08 PM
how is the waterblock holding up with the low temps? the GT has black plasticky stiff on the top, be carefull it doesnt crack. and also how is the pump doing, I havnt really seen people using normal pumps for this kinda thing, they usually use iwakis or some some industrial pump.
Im gunna be using my GTX which is mostly metal and an eheim 1048 cos I dont wanna risk my D4.
ya I busted 1 barb. and the pump is working hard. gets real thick and heavy has a hard time pushing it at the COLD TEMPS.
ya I busted 1 barb. and the pump is working hard. gets real thick and heavy has a hard time pushing it at the COLD TEMPS.
what mixture are you using? Iv got about 1.8 Water to 1 AntiFreeze.
Switch to denatured alcohol and all problems will be solved. ;)
In the long run you'll screw yourself both on temps and probably kill a pump or two running with AF.
hank123
05-31-08, 06:22 PM
Switch to denatured alcohol and all problems will be solved. ;)
In the long run you'll screw yourself both on temps and probably kill a pump or two running with AF.
denatured alcohol hard on the pump or blocks?
lol hank. I told you its a heat monster :)
Dave I remember when you posted your rig's worklog and your 120.3 setup not cooling like it should lol.
denatured alcohol hard on the pump or blocks?
Not at all. And since it's alcohol, you need no additives either. No critters can survive even for a sec.
It's very expensive though. It'd cost you probably close to 80 bucks to fill your res up. :-/ In the past, I got 3 or 4 gallons of denatured alcohol and then filled the remainder up with windshield wiper fluid (the red kind).
satandole666
06-03-08, 10:12 PM
That crazy but a few good mobos have to die for the good of overclocking.
Awesome job man! Saw those AC units in walmart today for 96 buck, **** thats not much more than the cost of the copper. In 1980 we paid 350 bucks for a unit that handled less BTUs.
Wait a minute, we can do with with a $96 AC unit? :drool:
Show me where and how and I'll have my E8400 running 4.5ghz daily. BTW, I have no clue how AC systems work (nothing more than a general idea) so if I requires any major reworking I'd probably be screwed.
Wait a minute, we can do with with a $96 AC unit? :drool:
Show me where and how and I'll have my E8400 running 4.5ghz daily. BTW, I have no clue how AC systems work (nothing more than a general idea) so if I requires any major reworking I'd probably be screwed.
thats the beauty of it, it doesnt. you just take the casing off and put the temp sensor somewhere hot then biuld a res around the evap. done.
dealmaster
06-04-08, 08:29 AM
thats the beauty of it, it doesnt. you just take the casing off and put the temp sensor somewhere hot then biuld a res around the evap. done.
Are you talking about this (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8811931) guy here? If so, is it really that simple to get extreme cooling? What all would you have to do if you were to buy this unit to get it to cool your CPU?
satandole666
06-04-08, 09:14 AM
thats the beauty of it, it doesnt. you just take the casing off and put the temp sensor somewhere hot then biuld a res around the evap. done.
Ahh...use a cooler or something similar, drop the evap in it, use that as the res for your water system.
Hmm...its very feasible. This might end up being a summer project for me.
dealmaster
06-04-08, 09:48 AM
Ahh...use a cooler or something similar, drop the evap in it, use that as the res for your water system.
Hmm...its very feasible. This might end up being a summer project for me.
Ahh OK that makes sense. Seems like an excellent way to get sub-ambient temps with a unique mod. I might have to do this as an excuse to start a watercooling system! That is, if my wife doesn't kill me for it.
Ahh...use a cooler or something similar, drop the evap in it, use that as the res for your water system.
Hmm...its very feasible. This might end up being a summer project for me.
Yup, mine is a summer project that i started early. :D couldnt wait. Half way through setting it up atm, will have pics in my thread when done.
Elluzion
06-21-08, 06:07 PM
what is the first temp of 17.3?
what is the first temp of 17.3?
ambient i guess
MrTurd Ferguson
09-07-08, 07:42 PM
I have a few questions about this as well, if it's ok to post them in here, not trying to hijack anyone or anything.
You buy a cheap window A/C unit and you remove the front part of the casing that houses the controls, right? Then you use a cooler or similar contraption to hold the evap, right? You use the cooler or whatever to hold fluid to run into your loop? Couldn't you just put your radiator from your loop into the fluid in the cooler...having fluid in the cooler to chill the radiator which would hold fluid for your loop?
But either way I think I'm following this so far. I want to go with water cooling and I've got a whole system now waiting to buy my motherboard and processor...can't decide what I want or need. I would really like to do a project like this...extreme cooling of my water loop. But I have a few questions about that as well.
How do you keep the condensation from happening around the water block at the CPU and frying the motherboard? How much noise does the window A/C make sitting right beside your computer? Does it put off the heat that it does when mounted in a window when it's trying to cool a room? Could you put a system like this into your garage and run your water out to the garage IF you had a pump for your loop that would keep the flowrate constant?
If I need to open a new thread for this...can someone just move it for me please...I really don't want to get this off track but I have these questions and thought this was a good place to put them.
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