IGN Give HAZE 4.5/10

[AngelfireUk83]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875229p1.html

I didn't like the looks of it in the 1st place but some people are different

[deception``]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875229p1.html

I didn't like the looks of it in the 1st place but some people are different

We should pair this review with Rainless's comments that Haze "makes Crysis looks like garbage."

In all seriousness this should come as no shock. There was a bit of hype for Haze, then things died down and the game released very, very quietly. This is another exclusive that the PS3 can keep.

Anyhow, I just hope some decent releases [besides MGS4] are on the way. Give me less hype-fest titles and more games like Uncharted and R&C.

deception``

[rainless]

We should pair this review with Rainless's comments that Haze "makes Crysis looks like garbage."

In``

Sorry Junior...

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=560215
bookmarked[/B] to prove it... everybody thought I was crazy and that there was "No way!" COD4 would be more successful).


I already called this one before that review even came out... Better luck next time. :beer:

[IR1]

Just cuz the game sux doesnt mean it wont be a hit.

I would not count out all those PS3 players who are desperate for something decent to play while they wait for the actual good games to come.

Side note: If IGN gives it that low of a score, you know its bad. They usually are way to generous on their reviews.

[blueswitch]

Haze just seemed like it copied other games and then just added the drug thing as a gimick.

[deception``]

Better luck next time. :beer:

I'll take that bet and raise you fifty:

Original Thread (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=558672)

While not TECHNICALLY superior I think it makes Crysis look like garbage.

Well the trees aren't rendered thread by thread like they are in Crysis...but it LOOKS better.

And let's compare that to:

That being said, you are going to have to put up with some extremely weak visuals within Haze. There is a litany of problems with the game, from the odd warping of allied soldiers that blink into view suddenly at arbitrary checkpoints to poor texture work. Many of the environmental textures are generic and weak, and you'll frequently see seams or tearing constantly pop up within the game, which distracts from the action onscreen.

Besides, thanks to the magic of reading, we learn that my comments had exactly nothing to do with Haze and any [potential] commercial success...only its visuals. :)

Ninja Quote :sn:

Side note: If IGN gives it that low of a score, you know its bad. They usually are way to generous on their reviews.


deception``

[JonEapples]

Scratch yet another title off the exclusive PS3 games list that was supposed make this the "year of the PS3" and didn't live up to expectations.


I think it makes Crysis look like garbage.
:clap:

[FudgeNuggets]

They can still strike pretty hard with GT 5 (non demo), Little Big Planet (if not pushed back again) and Final Fantasy (if not pushed back again). I'm sure I'm forgetting some FPS or two that I don't care about as well.

[deception``]

They can still strike pretty hard with GT 5 (non demo), Little Big Planet (if not pushed back again) and Final Fantasy (if not pushed back again). I'm sure I'm forgetting some FPS or two that I don't care about as well.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that there have been no major announcements of solid RPG/JRPGs on the PS3. The only exlcusive thing I can recall is FF 13 which is a 2009 title. It's pretty ironic that the 360 has been the RPG console of choice.

deception``

[rainless]

I'll take that bet and raise you fifty:

Original Thread (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=558672)





And let's compare that to:



Besides, thanks to the magic of reading, we learn that my comments had exactly nothing to do with Haze and any [potential] commercial success...only its visuals. :)

Ninja Quote :sn:




deception``

The hell with IGN. We learn through the magic of reading that you haven't even played the damned demo and don't have a frame of reference and are actually talking out of you... well you get the point. :p

I still say the forrest in Haze looks better than the forrest in Crysis... because it does. If you want to download the FREE DEMO and beg the differ... be my guest.

@IR1- Do you even HAVE a video game system? How bout a computer? Matter of fact... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE?!? :)

[IR1]

You know I do... not sure where you are going with half the comments directed at me.... at least I make sense with my incoherent rambelings.

[rainless]

You know I do... not sure where you are going with half the comments directed at me.... at least I make sense with my incoherent rambelings.

Half?!? I saved one line for you at the end. :) (And yes... I know what you meant... ;) )

[AngelfireUk83]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that there have been no major announcements of solid RPG/JRPGs on the PS3. The only exlcusive thing I can recall is FF 13 which is a 2009 title. It's pretty ironic that the 360 has been the RPG console of choice.

deception``

The only RPG's I know about are FF13 and SEGA's Valkarie Chronicles thats it there's also Folklore there only 3 that I know of. FF13 When I get the chance to pre-order I will for VC I need to see more on that 1st hopefully it'll be good.

[YellowDart]

Nice. Another sub-par Sony-exclusive "Halo/COD Killer" bites it. From the start, that game's aethetic looked strait out of the 1980's... reminded me of the old school Lazer Tag. :p

[deception``]

Looks like the game scored pretty high after all:

http://i30.tinypic.com/2r6fjw8.gif

[rainless]

Looks like the game scored pretty high after all:

http://i30.tinypic.com/2r6fjw8.gif

It doesn't surprise me it scored high for visuals. ;)

I only played the demo... so I can't judge it as a whole. I just don't think it's going to be a big seller... coming so soon after GTA IV and whatnot. The next big seller is going to be MGS4.

[iaacp]

Just cuz the game sux doesnt mean it wont be a hit.


True, I mean look at Halo 2 and 3.

I second the screwing of IGN. Them, and along with every other major reviewer, are crap and if you follow them on what to buy, I pity you.
You guys are taking the word of a website, WITHOUT EVEN PLAYING THE GAME, and saying how terrible it is. Next time, try and reserve judgement until you have played it... but I won't hold my breath.

I can't help but find some laughter in this... if/when it comes to 360, it will be a different story, amirite? Suddenly the game won't be so bad. :rolleyes:

[iaacp]

Nice. Another sub-par Sony-exclusive "Halo/COD Killer" bites it.

Right... tell me again where this was supposed to be a Halo/CoD killer?

People always make the assumption that because a game is trying to do something good, different, or better, its supposed to be a "killer". Fail.

[IR1]

People don't always label stuff a HALO killer... but come on its obvious! The games title starts with an H and is 4 letters long... it just screams HALO want to be. I think im going to start calling this game HazeLo. AMIRITE!!?

Now while I do not take game reviews to be the final word, I belive the opinions on this board are much more valuable, when IGN gives you a bad score... there has to be something to it. They hand out 8's and 9's like they be snicker bars on Halloween.

[rainless]

People don't always label stuff a HALO killer... but come on its obvious! The games title starts with an H and is 4 letters long... it just screams HALO want to be. I think im going to start calling this game HazeLo. AMIRITE!!?

Now while I do not take game reviews to be the final word, I belive the opinions on this board are much more valuable, when IGN gives you a bad score... there has to be something to it. They hand out 8's and 9's like they be snicker bars on Halloween.

Could be Political. Some other magazine gave it 9s and 10s. We'll see what gamespot and EGM have to say about it.

I don't think Haze is a Halo ripoff at all... It's a melting pot of every bad idea ever put into an FPS... including Crysis... ESPECIALLY Crisis. I haven't even heard anybody (besides you) compare it to Halo.

They certainly haven't mentioned anything like that in the reviews...

[IR1]

Im kidding about it... I figured the sarcasm was obivous. Guess not :P

YellowDart called it a Halo killer.

[AngelfireUk83]

Haze may get good scores from everywhere else who knows but IGN have just pointed out the obviously like graphics, scenary, gameplay, little problems that can take the game down.

I never believe them because you should play the game yourself and see if you like it for yourself because your the paying consumer. And sometimes you have to sacrifice those £ or $ to see whats it's like now when a game comes out a demo thats represents near completion would be better.

IGN like most game sites set out to gave reviews to a game not only to let consumers know whats it's like and to try and save people from blowing there cash on something that if they took it back wouldn't get a refund on just trade in price.

[YellowDart]

Right... tell me again where this was supposed to be a Halo/CoD killer?

People always make the assumption that because a game is trying to do something good, different, or better, its supposed to be a "killer". Fail.

Well, let's all sit down and hash this one out, given the hype around Haze, and the fact that Ubi gave Sony a bit of preferential treatment with their advanced release (while the PC and 360 versions are months away). I'd equate any FPS title where Sony's given some sort of advantage over other platforms an attempt at being a "Halo Killer". Why? Because historically, that's an area where Sony's consoles have always fallen miserably short in comparison to other platforms. In order to make the big boy money, get all the neat toys and have all kinds of awesome friends, you need to be the best. Who's been at the top over the past few years? Halo (and just recently, CoD4).

I'd also argue that the game isn't trying to do anything original, really... it is, in essence, an FPS. Haze, like any FPS game (save for maybe Bioshock) isn't doing anything that hasn't been done ad nauseum over the past decade... thus the overarching problem with FPS titles these days. There are only so many times one can be a lone space marine who's out to save the world/solar system/galaxy/universe from an alien race/evil supergenius/militant organization/evil corporation and still find it enjoyable.

Fail? Do the math for yourself. Really, it's not that difficult.

[AngelfireUk83]

Haze may get good scores from everywhere else who knows but IGN have just pointed out the obviously like graphics, scenary, gameplay, little problems that can take the game down.

I never believe them because you should play the game yourself and see if you like it for yourself because your the paying consumer. And sometimes you have to sacrifice those £ or $ to see whats it's like now when a game comes out a demo thats represents near completion would be better.

IGN like most game sites set out to gave reviews to a game not only to let consumers know whats it's like and to try and save people from blowing there cash on something that if they took it back wouldn't get a refund on just trade in price.

I eat those words GameSpot's review just came in they gave it a 6/10 not looking very good http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/action/haze/review.html

[Seven]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa.

Oh man I can taste the disappointment of PS3 fanboys everywhere. I'm sorry to all you fanboys, but there has never been a game where it gets terrible reviews across the board, and still manages to be a "good game". Come on, just face the facts here.

I'm just amazed at the sheer inability of the PS3 to have a good exclusive. It really hasn't happened yet. GT5 is merely a demo, and MGS4 isn't even out yet. This is the same thing that happened with Lair, and it happened again. And it will keep happening unless Sony actually holds the hand of the developers (*cough* Konami) and guides them through developing a game that might be good.

7

[iaacp]

I'm just amazed at the sheer inability of the PS3 to have a good exclusive. It really hasn't happened yet. GT5 is merely a demo, and MGS4 isn't even out yet. This is the same thing that happened with Lair, and it happened again. And it will keep happening unless Sony actually holds the hand of the developers (*cough* Konami) and guides them through developing a game that might be good.

6

Spoken like a true 360 fanboy who really hasn't played any PS3 games. :rolleyes:

[tenchi86]

Sucks looked like a good game. Resistance 2 still has my hopes up though. I mean the first one is IMO the best FPS to date besides maybe UT2K4 and that game studio never lets down.

[rainless]

Sucks looked like a good game. Resistance 2 still has my hopes up though. I mean the first one is IMO the best FPS to date besides maybe UT2K4 and that game studio never lets down.

I could tell the game was in trouble when I read about all the reasons for the delay. It's not like GTAIV where they had a good game that they wanted to make better... they had a bad game they were trying to improve upon. Without huge bosses... or huge ANYTHING... Haze never had a chance. Once you're just running around shooting at normal people... you're in direct competition with COD4... and not many people are going to win THAT fight. (Hell... COD5 might not even win that one.)

Still... I don't think anybody in recent months expected this game to be a hit. There was a lot of hype when it announced, but that all but evaporated around the time of the delay.

I still think the IGN review was wrong about the graphics though. I don't think that was the game's biggest problem.

[DomoRawks]

Haze always looked like a one trick pony, with a bad trick, to me.
Theres some weird sort of drug tricks you can do and you can fall over playing dead, wow...

One trick ponies work when the trick is awsome, like Max Payne and bullet time.

[rainless]

Haze always looked like a one trick pony, with a bad trick, to me.
Theres some weird sort of drug tricks you can do and you can fall over playing dead, wow...

One trick ponies work when the trick is awsome, like Max Payne and bullet time.

Man I love Max Payne! I have to install that game again so I can finish it. It had a whole lot more going for it than bullet time. I'm glad I've managed to keep up with my original copy all these years through all these countries.

[IR1]

I think I have a new drinking game idea. When Rainless makes a game prediction you take a shot. When he mentions how he has lived in other countries/Europe you take a shot then chug a beer! :beer: Anyone down!?

Yes Max Payne is awesome, bring on the third installment.

[iaacp]

Resistance 2 will be :beer:

[JonEapples]

I think I have a new drinking game idea. When Rainless makes a game prediction you take a shot. When he mentions how he has lived in other countries/Europe you take a shot then chug a beer! :beer: Anyone down!?

Lets add taking a double shot everytime Rainless mentions his "switch" from 360 to PS3....
Well actually we better not, it would probably lead to everybody playing the game going into a coma within a week.:beer:

[rainless]

Lets add taking a double shot everytime Rainless mentions his "switch" from 360 to PS3....
Well actually we better not, it would probably lead to everybody playing the game going into a coma within a week.:beer:

I don't think I talk much about the switch anymore. I don't really care anymore. I think it's hard to justify anybody having two $400 systems that only have about a 3 game difference between them.

It's not like having a Wii... which has COMPLETELY different games. Other than Halo and Metal Gear, the recent 360 and PS3 libraries are EXACTLY the same.

COD4, GTAIV, Orange Box, even Bioshock is coming to the PS3 now.

All the PS3 vs 360 pee contests are pointless.

[John G]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that there have been no major announcements of solid RPG/JRPGs on the PS3. The only exlcusive thing I can recall is FF 13 which is a 2009 title. It's pretty ironic that the 360 has been the RPG console of choice.

deception``

This has been surprising to me, too...particularly on the jRPG side. I would have expected that the usual train of jRPG titles would have flowed right on to PS3 after the first year or so - at least in the form of announcements.

I can't think of much off hand for possible explanations.

[FudgeNuggets]

I don't think I talk much about the switch anymore. I don't really care anymore. I think it's hard to justify anybody having two $400 systems that only have about a 3 game difference between them.

It's not like having a Wii... which has COMPLETELY different games. Other than Halo and Metal Gear, the recent 360 and PS3 libraries are EXACTLY the same.

COD4, GTAIV, Orange Box, even Bioshock is coming to the PS3 now.

All the PS3 vs 360 pee contests are pointless.

I got my PS3 purely for the BluRay, the fact that it plays games to me is just BONUS. I got the 360 for games and the Wii, well just because I feel compelled to go out and buy EVERY DAMNED SYSTEM!!!! :bang head

[rainless]

I got my PS3 purely for the BluRay, the fact that it plays games to me is just BONUS. I got the 360 for games and the Wii, well just because I feel compelled to go out and buy EVERY DAMNED SYSTEM!!!! :bang head

I've had all three systems. I just couldn't JUSTIFY keeping all three systems... or even two. I'd get a Wii if they had at least one game I gave a damned about. (Of course it would have to have multiplayer and their multiplayer system would have to be better than a 21st century Dreamcast dial-up system.)

There isn't any reason for me to pick up a 360 to go along with my PS3 at this point. It'd be nice to pla Gears 2... but I wouldn't pay $400 for one game. I already beat all the other games. And now everything else I would want to play (Soul Calibur IV, Street Fighter IV, King of Fighters XII) is all coming to both systems. Soon in-game XMB will even be on both systems.

So what's the difference?

[AngelfireUk83]

I've just read that it's Microsoft that has patiented In-game messeging and voice chat well the style to how you access it anyways. So Sony have to come up with a new way to get around it for example press PS button select Communication and CHAT and Messaging in there will pass the petient sort of.

As for HAZE IGN UK Gave it a 6/10 but still not a good score for a £40 game thats been delayed for what was supposed to make it better. I was going to get an XBOX 360 Arcade but now there no's point as you've said rain there all coming to PS3 as well.

[rainless]

I've just read that it's Microsoft that has patiented In-game messeging and voice chat well the style to how you access it anyways. So Sony have to come up with a new way to get around it for example press PS button select Communication and CHAT and Messaging in there will pass the petient sort of.

As for HAZE IGN UK Gave it a 6/10 but still not a good score for a £40 game thats been delayed for what was supposed to make it better. I was going to get an XBOX 360 Arcade but now there no's point as you've said rain there all coming to PS3 as well.

You can't patent in-game chat and music. Just like Street Fighter 2 couldn't patent a "Fighting Game."

That's why there are characters like Akira from Virtua Fighter and Ryo from Art of Fighting/King of Fighters.

And the PS3 already HAS limited in game messaging. You can do it in Metal Gear Online... you can do it even in Super Puzzle Fighter. And you can certainly do it in Hot Shots Golf Out of Bounds (Everybody's Golf: World Tour.)

So that's just a myth a bunch of 360 websites have thrown around for a while. Sony has already said they WILL have in game XMB this summer. I'm guessing it will be in the 3.40 update.

[iaacp]

So what's the difference?

the ps3 is better? lulz

[Neural Net]

Just no. I like the way that when this game was coming out on the PS3 and 360 no one cared, it was just another fps. Yet when it became a PS3 exclusive it suddenly became:

"ZOMG AWESOMEORZZ, BESTEST FPS EVAH! APART FROM TEH KILLZONE TOO"

Amazing to see the fanboy machine in full swing.

[rainless]

Just no. I like the way that when this game was coming out on the PS3 and 360 no one cared, it was just another fps. Yet when it became a PS3 exclusive it suddenly became:

"ZOMG AWESOMEORZZ, BESTEST FPS EVAH! APART FROM TEH KILLZONE TOO"

Amazing to see the fanboy machine in full swing.

Hey! Neural Net! Where have you been?!?! I haven't seen one of your posts in... FOREVER...

...oh wait... That's right... :)

[iaacp]

Just no. I like the way that when this game was coming out on the PS3 and 360 no one cared, it was just another fps. Yet when it became a PS3 exclusive it suddenly became:

"ZOMG AWESOMEORZZ, BESTEST FPS EVAH! APART FROM TEH KILLZONE TOO"

Amazing to see the fanboy machine in full swing.

Just no. It was supposed to be good, and perhaps would have been good, back in Holiday 07. Since then, it has been majorly delayed, and doesn't seem to have a lot to show for it. Not to mention other releases that it didn't stand up to since that date.

I don't know of anybody that quite did the whole "ZOMG AWESOMEORZZ, BESTEST FPS EVAH! APART FROM TEH KILLZONE TOO" thing, but it was looking to be a pretty decent shooter.

[Neural Net]

Just no. It was supposed to be good, and perhaps would have been good, back in Holiday 07. Since then, it has been majorly delayed, and doesn't seem to have a lot to show for it. Not to mention other releases that it didn't stand up to since that date.

I don't know of anybody that quite did the whole "ZOMG AWESOMEORZZ, BESTEST FPS EVAH! APART FROM TEH KILLZONE TOO" thing, but it was looking to be a pretty decent shooter.

Do you read anything outside of this forum? Go over to gametrailers.com for an example, tonnes of posts and comments about how the game transformed into the mother of all FPS' simply because it became a PS3 exclusive and 360 owners would have done the same if it became a 360 exclusive. It always looked like garbage and was considered to be mediocre before it became an exclusive, then the fanboy machine went into overdrive. It's just another FPS.

[rainless]

Do you read anything outside of this forum? Go over to gametrailers.com for an example, tonnes of posts and comments about how the game transformed into the mother of all FPS' simply because it became a PS3 exclusive and 360 owners would have done the same if it became a 360 exclusive. It always looked like garbage and was considered to be mediocre before it became an exclusive, then the fanboy machine went into overdrive. It's just another FPS.

Unhunh... And you somehow believe that Playstation fanboys are any crazier than Xbox fanboys? You can go on any video game forum on the Internet and come up with about 100 people that will tell you that all 360 games are great and all PS3 games suck. They'll tell you the only good game out on the PS3 is Resistance, which they haven't played or seen, but they heard the name somewhere a long time ago.

I just found some ridiculous site that was saying "The Biggest Mistake Sony ever made was not having a hardware scaler in the PS3 like the 360 does..." Only problem with that statement is, it isn't true at all. (And of course the author didn't cite his sources since he didn't have any.) The PS3 DOES have a hardware scaler. In a few firmware adjustments it'll be just as good as the 360 scaler (which wasn't all that great the first few firmwares they had either.)

There is no high horse as far as Internet fanaticism goes.

[Neural Net]

Unhunh... And you somehow believe that Playstation fanboys are any crazier than Xbox fanboys? You can go on any video game forum on the Internet and come up with about 100 people that will tell you that all 360 games are great and all PS3 games suck. They'll tell you the only good game out on the PS3 is Resistance, which they haven't played or seen, but they heard the name somewhere a long time ago.

I just found some ridiculous site that was saying "The Biggest Mistake Sony ever made was not having a hardware scaler in the PS3 like the 360 does..." Only problem with that statement is, it isn't true at all. (And of course the author didn't cite his sources since he didn't have any.) The PS3 DOES have a hardware scaler. In a few firmware adjustments it'll be just as good as the 360 scaler (which wasn't all that great the first few firmwares they had either.)

There is no high horse as far as Internet fanaticism goes.

Rainless... Please read my posts lol! :beer: This isn't about PS3 vs 360 fanboys, it's about fanboys in general.

To reiterate my point when I shouldn't have to:
...simply because it became a PS3 exclusive and 360 owners would have done the same if it became a 360 exclusive.

[rainless]

Rainless... Please read my posts lol! :beer: This isn't about PS3 vs 360 fanboys, it's about fanboys in general.

To reiterate my point when I shouldn't have to:

Oh... :)

[John G]

I just found some ridiculous site that was saying "The Biggest Mistake Sony ever made was not having a hardware scaler in the PS3 like the 360 does..." Only problem with that statement is, it isn't true at all. (And of course the author didn't cite his sources since he didn't have any.) The PS3 DOES have a hardware scaler. In a few firmware adjustments it'll be just as good as the 360 scaler (which wasn't all that great the first few firmwares they had either.)

Can you show us anything about them making a full blown hardware scaler available in the future? So far I haven't been able to find anything other than old-ish articles where they made partial (horizontal only) scaling technically available. (Which has generally provided a worse solution so far than pure software solution or using tricks to get the video chip to do it.)

[John G]

Back to Haze... sounds like Haze is actually rendering at 576p. Which isn't as bad as it sounds since most FPS games on both systems are rendering at sub 720p, but 576p is the lowest I've heard of yet. Everything else has been 600p or higher.

[rainless]

Back to Haze... sounds like Haze is actually rendering at 576p. Which isn't as bad as it sounds since most FPS games on both systems are rendering at sub 720p, but 576p is the lowest I've heard of yet. Everything else has been 600p or higher.

Not "everything" I believe Turok was like 540p. Then there's all those other B-list shooters. I don't know how it ran on the PS3 but THe Darkness ran like DOG FOOD on the 360. Then there was that Blacksite Area 51 debacle. Haze had high aspirations in the beginning, but then it faltered like a LOT of games with similar aspirations did: Where's Splinter Cell: Conviction? What happened to Kane and Lynch? Look at the mighty Army of Two. Even Rainbow six Vegas 2 was bogged down by bugs and bone-headed patching.

It's been a half year of disproportionate failure so far. The only thing that was supposed to be any good that was, so far, has been GTAIV.

I swear the sheer WRECKAGE this year is unbelievable.

[Cheator]

Score another 'right' prediction from rainless ;).

Glad I don't have the PS3, otherwise I might be disapointed.

[YellowDart]

Not "everything" I believe Turok was like 540p. Then there's all those other B-list shooters. I don't know how it ran on the PS3 but THe Darkness ran like DOG FOOD on the 360. Then there was that Blacksite Area 51 debacle. Haze had high aspirations in the beginning, but then it faltered like a LOT of games with similar aspirations did: Where's Splinter Cell: Conviction? What happened to Kane and Lynch? Look at the mighty Army of Two. Even Rainbow six Vegas 2 was bogged down by bugs and bone-headed patching.

It's been a half year of disproportionate failure so far. The only thing that was supposed to be any good that was, so far, has been GTAIV.

I swear the sheer WRECKAGE this year is unbelievable.

I'll agree w/ that one 100%. It's been a terrible year for gaming so far. Disappointment after disappointment aside from GTA4. Though, where Haze is concerned, I'm not sure what it was... I always thought it looked like garbage (even before it became a PS3 exclusive)... so I wasn't terribly surprised when it didn't score very well in reviews.

[rainless]

I'll agree w/ that one 100%. It's been a terrible year for gaming so far. Disappointment after disappointment aside from GTA4. Though, where Haze is concerned, I'm not sure what it was... I always thought it looked like garbage (even before it became a PS3 exclusive)... so I wasn't terribly surprised when it didn't score very well in reviews.

Well Haze was supposed to be a more "yellow" Bioshock. (Contrary to all these "Halo" claims. It has almost nothing in common with Halo.) Just substitute this whole "Nectar" thing for "Atom" and you get what they were going for. I think the idea had potential... but there just wasn't enough content. I mean there's nothing in Haze like a Big Daddy. The dialog, from what I heard of it, was ridiculously bad.

You just can't have a badly written game in the 21st century. You can no longer throw "Hero win war." up there and think people are going to swallow it. And like I said earlier, once it's just regular people shooting at other people that puts it in direct competition with COD4... and nobody's going to win that fight this soon.

Splinter Cell Conviction is being completely redone and I'm really worried about every game we've seen very little of (*cough* Resident Evil 5 *cough* ). People are already playing Tekken 6 and Street Fighter IV in the arcades, so those should be okay. I just don't know who, on earth, is testing these games. Who tested Rainbow Six Vegas 2? Who tested Army of 2? And WHO THE HELL tested the PS3 version of GTA IV?

We aren't talking about one lone area of a map where nobody went to during the beta phase... like WHOLE SECTIONS of games and obvious in-your-face errors.

I played through the whole of Bioshock without a single patch and I bought it the day it came out. Ditto with COD4. How is it that, all of a sudden, this year every game is shipping with such serious flaws?

"GTAIV wrecked my PS3..." What the hell is that?!?! They've only got three configurations of the PS3 unlike the 20 different 360 versions out there. You've got a 60 an 80 and a 40 gig. That's it... That's all. You put the game in each system and see how it works. They couldn't have played the game for more than a couple of hours without running into some of the problems people have seen.

And all the bugs in Vegas 2? After all the time THAT was in development? Completely inexcusable. And the sales records speak for themselves. People aren't going to run out and buy games that have been reported all over the net as defective.

[Cheator]

They've only got three configurations of the PS3 unlike the 20 different 360 versions out there. You've got a 60 an 80 and a 40 gig. That's it... That's all. You put the game in each system and see how it works. They couldn't have played the game for more than a couple of hours without running into some of the problems people have seen.

The PS3's hardware wasn't as static as the 360s. The 360 is the same all around, onyl difference is the hard drive on top, and maybe the colour and the size of the chipset. with the ps3, you had some that COULD play Ps2 stuff, some that wouldn't, some that kinda would, etc. as an example.

[YellowDart]

Well, I think the Halo comparisons came with the screenshots. You've got guys in orange suits and guys in yellow suits with reflective helmets... aesthetically similar to guys in red suits and guys in blue suits with reflective helmets. Not having played Haze or the demo, as I don't have a PS3, I'd imagine that's where most of the non-genre similarities end.

I definitely agree w/ the recent trend of releasing beta products as finished. I'd love to see that trend stop. It's ridiculous.

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The PS3's hardware wasn't as static as the 360s. The 360 is the same all around, onyl difference is the hard drive on top, and maybe the colour and the size of the chipset. with the ps3, you had some that COULD play Ps2 stuff, some that wouldn't, some that kinda would, etc. as an example.

That's not actually true. The release 360s were NOTHING like the 360s that are out now. They've switched heatsinks at least three times, they've moved to 65nm. Different power ratings. They've gone through at least four DVD drives. A select few 360s that shipped at launch were scratching discs, so they nuked that design. Some of the older systems don't have HDMI, I've even seen some NEW systems that don't have the HDMI (or I did as of six months ago.)

They've got at least three times as many variations as the PS3.

The bluray drive in the PS3 has remained constant. The power ratings for the 80 and 60 gig systems, as well as the die size are the same. The 60 gig system features the PS2 display and audio chips built in. The 80 gig just has a partial version of the display chip and no audio chip. The 40 gig version has the 65nm die shrink, a smaller power footprint, and no PS2 hardware at all.

But we're still just talking about just three variations. (I.E. there isn't, as of yet, a 60 or 80 gig system that was running a 65nm cell processor.)

Well, I think the Halo comparisons came with the screenshots. You've got guys in orange suits and guys in yellow suits with reflective helmets... aesthetically similar to guys in red suits and guys in blue suits with reflective helmets. Not having played Haze or the demo, as I don't have a PS3, I'd imagine that's where most of the non-genre similarities end.

I definitely agree w/ the recent trend of releasing beta products as finished. I'd love to see that trend stop. It's ridiculous.

Yeah... Last year it REALLY wasn't like that. I don't know what's happened. I don't know if they're rushing out games that have been delayed a long time or WHAT. But the whole point in delaying these games was that they were supposed to FIX THE PROBLEMS.

As for your Haze comments, there's just ONE color suit. It's Yellow as shown in all the advertisements. There's no red and yellow. The yellow suit just TURNS red if you OD on nectar.

As far as multi you have the Militia soldiers (the yellow suit guys), and you have some rebels in traditional video game Rebel Clothes.

[NettieZoom]

I DL the demo on my PS3 and it seemed ok in all respects, did I miss something ?

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I DL the demo on my PS3 and it seemed ok in all respects, did I miss something ?

Yes and No. The graphics certainly aren't as bad as IGN pretended they were. At the same time, there are no destructable environments, no real interaction with the enemy, half the time the only time you SEE the enemy is when you're high on Nectar and they're glowing yellow, you're only fighting regular guys (and those fights aren't interesting, the aiming and shooting seem dead on... or at least better than it was in other failures such as Kane and Lynch and Dark Sector.

Other than that... you didn't miss much.

[grayg]

As soon as I played the Haze demo I said to myself "just another average console shooter".
Those who doubt Killzone 2, I have something which I really like the look of with this and it's the cover system. The RS: Vegas style cover BUT, always in first person making it more realistic, this is something I wanted to appear in Vegas 2. I played Vegas and thought this could be really good if on realistic difficulty you stayed locked in first person.

[DomoRawks]

Now consoles have hard drives, expect more games requiring more patches, not less.

Lets face it, it was happening 15 years ago for PC's when if you were lucky you got a patch on the demo disc of your PC mag, downloading a 40meg patch on a dial up connection just didn't happen.

I'm still waiting for the three UFO:xxx games to be finished, and the AI in SupCom to stop organising a go slow after 20 minutes.

Its stupid, but as long as they get away with it they will.

[Neural Net]

Now consoles have hard drives, expect more games requiring more patches, not less.

Lets face it, it was happening 15 years ago for PC's when if you were lucky you got a patch on the demo disc of your PC mag, downloading a 40meg patch on a dial up connection just didn't happen.

I'm still waiting for the three UFO:xxx games to be finished, and the AI in SupCom to stop organising a go slow after 20 minutes.

Its stupid, but as long as they get away with it they will.

What do you mean by the go slow in supcom?

[DomoRawks]

Games with AI's slow down quite steadily as the game progresses, even a 1v1 on a 20km map grinds to a virtual stop in 30mins.

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Now consoles have hard drives, expect more games requiring more patches, not less.

Lets face it, it was happening 15 years ago for PC's when if you were lucky you got a patch on the demo disc of your PC mag, downloading a 40meg patch on a dial up connection just didn't happen.

I'm still waiting for the three UFO:xxx games to be finished, and the AI in SupCom to stop organising a go slow after 20 minutes.

Its stupid, but as long as they get away with it they will.

But you're missing the point: They HAVEN'T gotten away with it. Really buggy games that require a lot of patches have been selling HORRIBLY. Given the fame of the first Rainbow Six Vegas, the second one should've had sales coming close to COD4... but they didn't. The first thing people heard about were all the glitches, and the buggy multiplayer on both systems and whatnot. Who was going to bother with GTA: IV coming out the next month?

After last year's high stakes, cannonball run... people expect more from games and gaming.

[grayg]

Games with AI's slow down quite steadily as the game progresses, even a 1v1 on a 20km map grinds to a virtual stop in 30mins.

I think alot of it comes from the AI's dumb path finding, it's like C&C Zero Hour on Twighlight map all over again, except on a much worse scale in that it happens on most of the bigger Supcom maps.
For those that didn't play Zero Hour, on the Twighlight map there was cliffs seperating bases and the AI would always think it could drive between the gaps in the cliffs. What it was supposed to do was drive around and follow the path down to lower ground. When this happend it would always grind the game down into a slideshow.
I see a lot of this stupid AI pathfinding going on in Supcom too.

[DomoRawks]

Was there anything good about generals?
Build crusader tanks, charge, rinse, repeat.
I actually took that game back to the shop for a refund, reasoning the game lacked strategy part of RTS

I'm not so sure, even if you kill pretty much everything it doesn't speed up again, it may be part of it, but there's some sort of error that gets worse throughout the game.

[grayg]

Generals was pretty decent when it came out but Zero Hour is the expansion, it transformed the game massively. It became a lot more tactical/counter play related but retained the need for super microing everything too. It's my favourite C&C game which is saying something since I have been here since the start and Generals is pretty much considered the Judas of C&C amongst fans.

[AngelfireUk83]

How did we get from Haze and its low score to Command & Conquer Generals and it's expansion Zero Hour :confused:

[Oc1Kenube]

Im playing through max payne 2 and i still love it. Haze is crap and is selling crap in the uk btw.