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I decided to start a new thread; perhaps I can get better feedback. Sorry guys if I sound annoying right now, but this thing is eating me up.
Problems are booting up and rebooting. The system won't load windows with a warm boot. To see if it would load with a cold boot, I turned on my computer this morning only to find that annoying beeping noise again. 3 reboots later, I made it in. I guess the same problem surfaces with a cold reboot.
I have NO idea what the problem could be. My 5v line, again, is perfectly fine.
I remember a thread where someone had problems with warm booting but I can't seem to find it yet and I'm not sure if it applies here. Help is appreciated :)
Here's what my MBM says:
Where exactly is the problem occuring?
Can you give it a tad more voltage?
also borrow a good PSU from a friend and see whether it improves
reduce your RAM timing to 3-3-3 and see whether problem persists:D
JaY_III
01-06-02, 06:24 PM
Is this problem only going on when you overclock?
Have you run any stability test at default speed?
What progs do you test stability with??
Problems occur when I boot up cold (ie: boot up in the morning, first boot of the day), or with warm reboots (ie: restarting comp). This problem is not evident when I shutdown. I didn't have these problems with my Volcano II, although I will hardly blame my new $59CDN investment on it. I am at 1.575v with only a 1.44 OC; even that I think it's too much voltage. With same setttings with the Volcano on, no problems, except when the case temps are too high. I will up voltage once I change my RAM timings.
PSU I will hardly doubt is the culprit. At the top of my head, the most powerful PSU my friends have is a 300w also, but made by SH. This I feel is not the problem as I had the SAME PS with my old hs on.
Yes, the RAM timings I did fool around a bit and that was EXACTLY what I planned to change right after I post this. I have some crap ram (MT on the chips) so I suppose they're Micron ram. Nonetheless, I know they suck b/c tests in Sandra shocked me. I think I set it at 2-2-2. I will change back to default. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the problem.
RIght now, it is a problem. Hasn't happened before. I've only ran stability tests at 1.44. I've used Prime95, Sandra, and just this morning, Burnk6. Rock stable.
Will be back.
theflyingrat
01-06-02, 07:03 PM
Is there any way for you to up your I/O voltage a little bit? Not familiar with that board, so I don't know for sure...
On the ST6, there isn't an I/O voltage setting. I think AMD ABit boards have this?? I know the KT7 does.
Anyways, the ram timings didn't change anything. However, I maxxed out the voltage at 1.6v and it booted fine. I made several reboots after that and looks like all is well hopefully. Strangely though, I don't understand why it needs so much juice for 1.44? I was able to run it a tad lower so why is more voltage needed now?
I didn't have these problems with my Volcano II, although I will hardly blame my new $59CDN investment on it.
Well, it sounds like whatever fan your using (in place of the one your Volcano uses) is maybe running dirty, and causing some electrical noise, or drawing more current, affecting the voltage regulation to the cpu
oldfart
01-06-02, 10:19 PM
Do you need a vid pin mod?? Worked wonders for me!
Originally posted by oldfart
Do you need a vid pin mod?? Worked wonders for me!
Yes I do. I'm ready for one :D
You need to look more into the problems Oldfart had and see how it was rectified....Seems like you have the same problem - You need more vcore on inital boot (before the bios post screen). Seems to be a problem with the 815 chipset in general....It goes to default vcore just before the bios post screen where it then bumps the voltage up to the specified setting - Chips that are unstable at the default vcore don't like booting occationally and hate resetting....
How are you adjusting your vcore ATM....Via vidpinning or using the 'overvolt' jumper (I think St-6's have those....)?
Ok, I finally got my butt off and did the wire trick. I used the pinhole method and connected vid1 and vid2. My max now is 1.8v. On the first reboot, it hung. So I'm not sure if it did change the default voltage. Will try again right now.
If that dosn't fix it mabye it's something as simple as a reinstall of windows at default speed?
Alright, just went into the bios again, and selected cpu default. Sure enough, the default was 1.675v. Looks like this is correct? Anyways, I saved and exited, and went to load windows fine. I will update tomorrow to see if this problem persists or not.
Since I'm still flaky about the voltage bootup problem, is this how it works? Upon boot up, BEFORE POST, the CPU voltage will run at the cpu default, in my case, 1.675v. I assume this will give a boost to power up all connecting hardware and allow computer to bootup. Once it enters POST stage, the bios will use the SELECTED voltage, which for me, is 1.575v.
Have I gotten this right or have I had too much Bacardi :beer:
???
You're almost correct....Think of as your CPU needs 1.6 volts to even run @ 1.5 gig. When the mobo initally fires up 'before' the bios post screen the chipset automatically sets the vcore to the default as reported by the vid pins on the CPU (1.475 volts in the case of the Celeron Tualatin)....Now there is no way the chip is gonna remain stable at that speed and at times will not even post! If you wire wrap the vid pins, fooling the mobo into believeing the CPU has a much higher default vcore you can post reliably and drop the vcore to a much more respectable level once the bios posts (so you will only be running 1.675 volts or whatever for a few seconds).
Get it?:D
Although with the St-6 you're not gonna be able to drop the vcore via the bios.:(
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you said the problem occurs with your new HSF, but not with the Volcano II. Is this correct? If it is, and this happend to me, my problem would be identified. Ditch the new fan. Or, if I'm confused, nevermind then :)
I hope it wouldn't be the new hs/fan. I have no idea how this could affect it.
ANyways, I'm having the same problems again. This time, won't even boot unless I boot at default everything. 1.2, 1.475v, etc. Worse part is that if it is the hs/fan, I can't refund the hs/fan. Hope I can exchange it though.
Went to reboot again. Same thing happens. Won't even POST at 1.44. Only at default again. After several continuous reboots at 1.44, during post, it will somehow select its own settings. It ranged from being 1.46 to 1.6. I had no choice but to CMOS. Seems like problem is getting worse. Any ideas?
Swap back to the old HSF combo....See if the problem persists....
That motor in the fan could be emitting some electrical impulses, creating RFI at a frequency that's messing with another component on your motherboard.
Out of curiosity, I would try enabling "spread spectrum" (if mobo has it). Most likely wont fix it, but wouldn't hurt to try.
Originally posted by Flu!d
Swap back to the old HSF combo....See if the problem persists....
Actually, that's one of the main reasons I got this new hs/fan. I couldn't run my comp OCed during a LAN party with my Volcano, and had to revert back to 1.2 as I got the same thing as I'm getting now, so I doubt it's the heatsink. I really don't think it's my PS. Well, I want to pray it isn't since all the numbers look normal.
Just to update, I just put back in my Volcano II, and so far, all is well. I guess it could appear that my Delta fan is causing the problems? To make sure, right now, I'm running at 1.5 (125x12) @ 1.650v. Could getting a replacement solve my problem b/c the one I have now is a dud or is it just that I can't enjoy the Delta?
Forgot one thing, I was told to use the 3-4 pin adaptor which I did, which yielded the same results.
Ok thanks guys. I think most of the problem is fixed. I went back to the store where I got my hs/fan and got them to replace the fan. Works fine now. I can OC, boot, reboot no problems when I mounted the new one on. Not sure about cold or warm reboots yet though.
Strange thing though, before I went home, I took my replaced fan over to my friends' house and we installed it there. Worked fine there. However, the Delta was spinning at 7500+RPM. He did NOT use the 3-4 pin adaptor either. He's running a Duron 750 OCed to 766 with a KT7A ABit. He's got a 300w SH Power PS.
I took it home and mounted it on mine. Booted up and found that the Delta spun at ONLY 6200RPM. From Fluid's comment, he suggested it was the PS that was causing me problems. Would this be the problem? Ironically, MBM reports "normal" numbers with my voltages. Any explainations?
Here's the screenshot of my hs/fan on my friend's comp
Hmmmm.... It could be related to a voltage drop due to some resistance in your 12v supply for your fan. I guess you could always troubleshoot the voltage difference between yours and your friends pc, using a DVM. But if it's ok know, I wouldn't worry anymore. Move on to the next challenge :)
Glad to here it works better for ya!
Bah. Same thing is happening again. Just booted up this morning and I get the hi-low beep again. Does anyone know what that hi-low beep refers to? No choice but running at 1.2 again until I find a permanent solution.
I plan to bring my comp over to my friends' house and test it on his power supply. If indeed it is the PS, than I will smash the one I have and go get myself a name brand one at the minimum. If it isn't, I'm running out of options. Could it be a dud board? I doubt it could be since I don't remember this happening before, minus the vmod and the new hs/delta.
The high/low beep is either the fan alarm or the cpu temp alarm. The alarm is built into the ST6. In the bios, look in the "PC health status". you can adjust the settings for the alarm there, and also monitor temps and fan rpm. Check to see if your cpu fan alarm is enabled, and check the alarm point for the temp and system alarms. Maybe it's just acting screwy. If the cpu temp looks good, you can always disable the fan alarm.
Right now, I "may" have narrowed it down to the power supply.
I unplugged all hardware except the hd, cpufan ahd videocard, and mobo. Tried booting, same thing. I went and put on the Volcano. Booted up again, same thing. I went into bios with the Volcano, and found it to spin only at 4800-4900RPM, when before, it was going at 5200-5300RPM. This was with a minimum amount of hardware being powered.
When I cleared CMOS, it WILL run fine at 1.2@100fsb. When I up it to my usual OC of 1.44@120fsb, it won't go.
Numerically, the voltage numbers, again, look fine to me, unless someone can counteract my statement here. Here is my readings about a day ago when I managed to get 1.44.
What do you guys think? I doubt it is any of the hardware I have, since I unplugged my 2 nics, every fan except cpufan, etc. I will deny that my motherboard is causing the problems, since I managed to make it go before, with yes, the rare, and ugly reboot problem.
Sorry, but I'll continue to pester until friday when I haul my beater over to my friend's house for verification and troubleshooting.
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Well, besides trying to reseat all components (cpu,ram,cards,etc), try another PSU. Just because your voltages look good, the psu still could have a noise problem.
alasdair
01-09-02, 04:57 PM
A friend of mine had a problem fan, he put a pair of capacitors in to the fan circuit which "Cleaned" the power, stopping the interference. He had one on the + and one on the - for best effects (Isolated the fan completely I suppose)
:burn:
Ok. just over at a friend's house right now. We swapped PSU's and the same thing happens :mad: However, the computer managed to OC and reboot fine when I left the dividers at 1/3 instead of 1/4. I did this at 105fsb, 110, 115, 120, 125, etc. It booted up and rebooted fine. If I set my dividers to 1/4, the computer would not reboot, resulting in CMOS.
COncerning my low rpm speed for my Delta, with my friends' PS in, it spun at the same speed. I'm beginning to this it's the motherboard and NOT the power supply which I had thought. What do you think guys? I don't want to return the damn thing and have the same problems again, but doesn't seem like anything else could be the problem.
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Originally posted by Bonka
Ok. just over at a friend's house right now. We swapped PSU's and the same thing happens :mad: However, the computer managed to OC and reboot fine when I left the dividers at 1/3 instead of 1/4. I did this at 105fsb, 110, 115, 120, 125, etc. It booted up and rebooted fine. If I set my dividers to 1/4, the computer would not reboot, resulting in CMOS.
COncerning my low rpm speed for my Delta, with my friends' PS in, it spun at the same speed. I'm beginning to this it's the motherboard and NOT the power supply which I had thought. What do you think guys? I don't want to return the damn thing and have the same problems again, but doesn't seem like anything else could be the problem.
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So what your saying is that you can run at 150fsb at 1/3 fine but not 1/4?
Hmmm...
ACtually, I didn't try it at 150fsb. I went only up to 133fsb, but crashed eventually b/c I didn't give it enough voltage. ANyways, that's what I'm saying. WIth 1/3 divider, it will reboot fine, with 1/4 divider, no go.
What windows are you on again?
Ok, looks like I found the source problem for my delta spinning at lower than average rpms. I went and plugged the delta into the system fan header plug and booted up. Sure enough, the Delta was spinning at 7100rpm. I guess the cpufan plug is messed? What I'd like to know is how? I know it's recommended to use the 3-4 pin adaptor for deltas, but a lot of people plug them on to the mobo anyways with no problems. Maybe my board decided to retire?
Anyways, still having problems with rebooting. More and more I feel like I got a lousy ST6. 1/3 dividers will get me going, 1/4's won't. Will most likely get it replaced with a "quality" one tomorrow.
Good call?
I've heard of quite a few St-6 users having exactly the same problem with the 1/4 pci divider....You aren't the only one....
Either this board slipped pass quality control, or I am painfully wounding this baby with my Delta. Strange thought though, these problems became apparent AFTER I got my copper cooler and Mr Delta. The fan probably caused a chain reaction.
Just did a quick search on google newsgroup, and looks like this guy has the same problem as me.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=tA1K7.105467%24SF4.2979206%40news1.rdc1.sd ca.home.com&rnum=126&prev=/%20groups%3Fq%3D%2522ABit%2BST6%2522%26start%3D120 %26<br>hl%3Den%26selm%3DtA1K7.105467%2524SF4.2979206%2540 news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com%26rnum%3D126]
Those little fan headers on the mobo aren't really made for a fan like a delta. It takes too much juice
However, the computer managed to OC and reboot fine when I left the dividers at 1/3 instead of 1/4. I did this at 105fsb, 110, 115, 120, 125, etc. It booted up and rebooted fine. If I set my dividers to 1/4, the computer would not reboot, resulting in CMOS.
This is a known, and somewhat common issue with the ST6. A lot of users experience boot problems with 1/4 pci dividers below 133 bus. At the bus speed you use, use should be using 1/3 pci, anyways (as long as your pci components don't mind).
Looks like you've solved your problem:)
zoopa_man
01-11-02, 12:27 PM
FSB 133 1/3 PCI divisor = 44.3mhz
FSB 133 1/4 PCI divisor = 33.25
PCI spec is 33mhz so the 1/4 divisor is right in spec at 133mhz and the 1/4 divisor. Unless you got a "hard drive on meth" I doubt your system will run stable. I know for a fact mine won't.
I still can't decide between the two evils with the Abit ST6 or the Gigabyte GA-60xet. Both boards have their problems and both have great features. *sigh what to do what to do :mad:
Bonka,
I'm assuming you normally run around 120 bus. So, If your components don't mind the 40 pci bus, then roll with. For best perfomance, this is better then 1/4 divider, anyways. One of my pc's is running 41 pci bus with no problems (124x1/3) using IBM 60gxp drive and Linksys nic.
At 1.44 before, it was running fine. No reboot problems, or at least, problems that occurred randomly. Anyways, only reason I run at 1/4 dividers is b/c I use the onboard audio, which craps out very soon. I plan to hold on a while longer before I get a PCI soundcard. ANyways, I think my HD can take the 1/3 dividers as does the rest of my components. My HD is a Maxtor 20GB 5400rpm ata100. SHould be good. ONe of my nics might not work though.
I RMAed my mobo yesterday. I forgot to change bios settings to default, which I hope wouldn't be a problem unless OCing with the mobo will void warranty. Anyways, I'm now running a beastly K6II 500 basher. I miss Tualeron.
:(
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