You guys are gonna laugh. Now that I got the Tualeron 1.0A working, I'm going to....

[oldfart]

Ditch it and get a PIII-S 1.26 512K CPU! It seems to be working and all, but I'm not wild about having to run @ 1.65 Vcore for a 1.4 GHz overclock. I found a CPU and should have it soon. I'll be travelling this week and will get to it next weekend. I should be able to run 150 FSB for a 1425......right????

[pappypete]

Are you going to run that CPU on the GA60XET-C....What do
you think of the board by now.

[oldfart]

Yes, I will run it in the 6OXET. What do I think of the board? Cant say yet. I came from a CUSL2 (not -C) and that is a high mark to hit. One thing I have to futz with is the USB. The CUSL2 has 7 USB ports!. 2 of the usual, 3 on an included rear panel, 2 more on the mobo you need your own panel for. The Gigbyte only has the 2 normal ones in the rear. They give you connections for 2 more "front" USB ports. I need 2 more in the back. I have to make a setup to connect a rear panel to the ports on the front of the board.

I'll know more how I like it once I get the new CPU. I would expect that things will go smoother with the new CPU.

Stay tuned.......

[Flu!d]

You can drop the vcore down via the bios and just ust the 1.675 volts vcore to initally boot the system (that way you will only be running 1.675 volts for a couple of seconds!)....

Or does your chip require 1.675 volts to maintain stability at all times?

[6502kid]

That should work pretty good for you.

I have mine running at 148fsb right now with SDRAM at
2-2-2 5/7. Rock solid. At the P3-s default voltage.

I tried for a while to get this thing to run at 154 today, but
Prime95 still got rounding errors. (Everything else seemed
OK...)

I attempted v-cores up to 1.575, but it didnt help.
Tried with the pll16 setttings but that didnt help either.
Messed with 2-3-3 9/7, but no help.

One other note on this board.
Sandra, and the BIOS PC health screen both showed my
vcore adjustments as they should have.

But no matter what I set that DIMM overvoltage to, (3.4, 3.5, 3.6)
it shows up in the BIOS and sandra as 3.36 and never changed.

The VCC3 is the one I should be looking at there isnt it ?

Those pll settings look interesting, but unless there is a way to
seprate the ram from the fsb speed somehow, they are useless
with a 133mhz default fsb chip.

A 4/5 memory divisor would be ideal. Please send me one.



:beer: :beer: :beer:

[6502kid]

Flu!d.

We must be posting at the same time.

If he is getting a P3-S chip, he wont be needing to do
any wire tricks.

Mine loves 148fsb at default voltage, and I think it would
go a lot higher if I could get my ram and mb to cooperate.:D

[Flu!d]

The server chips never seem to reach the speeds the standard Tualatin chips do....Have no idea why, mabye more cache allows more room for instability?! Most reach the speeds you are getting now....

I ran a P3 1000EB on this board at 166mhz FSB for a very short while just before removing the chip to install my Celeron....Managed this at 2,3,2,7/9 which is all my 2 sticks of generic RAM would handle (got much better RAM now!)....'Seemed' very stable although like I said I didn't run it for a prolonged period of time! The cumine chips don't mind high FSB's!

Did you check out the link of the crazy Japaneese running this board @ 190 mhz FSB! That is very impressive (that's gotta be some kind of record for a P3?)

Did you try the 150mhz FSB / 112.50 mhz DIP switch setting on the mobo? Using the dip switches you can get all sorts of FSB/RAM speeds....Check your manual and turn off your FSB adjustment options in the bios (these overide the dip switches).

[Rooski]

Wait a minute, old fart! We've all been following your threads to see how well the new 1.0a'S are gonna do. Have you had any luck above 1.4, or have you tried?? Does it seem like 1.4 is max for your chip? Has the "lock-up" on reboot problem gone away with the second GB board? Details, details, and more details please, hehehehe.

If you've already posted these answers somewhere, sorry cause I have not noticed anywhere else.

Btw, does the GB mobo have the option for a 3/4 memory clock? This would be a good feature to go along with the additional 1/5 & 1/6 dividers, especially when trying to push a 133fsb chip like the one your eyeballing.

Oh, and thanks for being a pioneer, oldfart, in the exploration of the GB/1.0a. A lot of us are real anxious to see what these components will do.

I'm still waiting patiently for other user's feedback on the new tualerons.

Good luck with your next project, oldfart!

[Flu!d]

The GB mobo has various FSB/RAM combo's avaliable via the motherboard dip switches (ie: 150 FSB / 125 RAM....etc.) So while you can't select this option via the bios (It has the option but I can't work it out) you can select it via the dip switches. All other overclocking options can be done via the bios. And yes....The GB has 1/5th and 1/6th pci dividers....:)

[6502kid]

I am almost thinking there is a flaw of some sort in the F9
bios.

Been playing all day, and I cant get this thing stable over 150.

Tried settings from 150-166. Pll's 16, 20 & 24.
All ram settings I could. cas2, cas3 2-2-2 5/7 7/9 & various
combos. core voltages from default to 1.575

In bios setup. (XET-C aint got the dip switches)

At 148, at 1/4 everything is rock solid at 2-2-2 5/7 ram settings.
default core voltage.

Memory tried was Kingmax PC150 and OCZ PC150.
I got 2 sticks of each. They should do better than this.
Plus the instant loss of stabiltity at 150 or above, at
cas2 OR cas3 settings makes me wonder.

I got MBM working now. CPU temps ranged from 26c to 32c.
Dont think they got any higher.

Has anybody figured out what those numbers for
the PCI/AGP speed mean when you change them ?

For instance, at default fsb 133, at default pci/agp setting
it shows 33/66 like it should.

But if I switch to pll16 (1/4 ??) it shows 24/48.

Whats up wid dat ?


:eek: :beer:

[6502kid]

Note: I got that pic at 150fsb.

When I say it is rock stable at 148, I mean I can fire up
prime95 test, run UT for hours, run 3dm2001, sandra
ect. ect. with no errors.

At 150+, I get a Prime95 rounding error within a minute or 2.

Perhaps I should just delete prime95.
:rolleyes: :beer:

[Flu!d]

The XET-C ain't got the dipswitches?! Wow....Didn't know that! That means I can run my mobo at 166 mhz FSB with the RAM speed set at 125mhz FSB and you can't....My board can do it, my board can do it! Ha,ha!:D

Nah....Seriously, just joking 6502kid....That's something I wasn't aware of....What a bummer! Like I said....The bios does have the setting I just can't work out how it works!

On all my mobo's (other than the Gigabytes) every time I got prime 95 rounding errors it was due to processor instability. I ran my P3 1000EB for a while @ 155 mhz FSB CAS2,3,2,7/9 with no probs at all on generic RAM, and like I have mentioned before I 'very briefly' ran 166 mhz FSB....Not really long enough to check for true stability though....

Instability can be caused by more than just RAM problems....

The different pll settings are your pci/agp dividers....Select the one that keeps your pci/agp speeds closest to spec....They range right up to the 1/5th and 1/6th dividers (that's why you can run your pci/agp speeds 'below' spec @ 150mhz FSB....

Can't believe the XET-C's don't have the dip switches....

[soil]

Originally posted by Flu!d
Can't believe the XET-C's don't have the dip switches.... [/B]

just get the dip switch from Radio Sheat and solder it back, that's it:D

[DSTA]

Originally posted by oldfart
Ditch it and get a PIII-S 1.26 512K CPU!

That's a nice luxury item ;). Don't tell us you found one for less than the 1.0A please, I'm mad with envy already ;).

[Yodums]

6502kid I must say thats one chip!

How much do those server chip cost anyways?

Yodums

[oldfart]

Wait a minute, old fart! We've all been following your threads to see how well the new 1.0a'S are gonna do. Have you had any luck above 1.4, or have you tried?? Does it seem like 1.4 is max for your chip?
Yes, 1.4 @ 1.65 Vcore is about it. 1.45 GHz I'll Blue Screen. I suppose I could've tried 1.7 or something, but that would really be asking for meltdown. It would also put me above the 1.675 wire trick voltage and maybe bring back boot problems. The 1.4 @ 1.65 Vc seems very stable. I've sold the chip and the new owner will try it in an MSI board. I'm curious to see how it does.

On the 133/100 FSB/Ram ratio not being available: I had it on my CUSL2 (bios, not switches). I dont like it anyway. If you run a 160 FSB, 120 mem, your system will be SLOWER than 150 FSB/150 mem. I've tested it. You are better off with a lower MHz and a faster system!

Prime95 errors: Again, my exp with my CUSL2 PIIIEB 1G setup. My system was stable @ 150/150 2-2-2 except for Prime95. I had to go to 150 3-2-2. I could do 160 3-3-3 with no errors. My ram is Crucial PC133 Cas2. Once I get the PIII-S, I'll see how it goes.

6502kid, maybe your ram is just not quite up to 150 MHz snuff. Dont worry about it. 148 FSB is fine. The most conservative ram timings would be 3-3-3 7/9.

On me getting a PIII-S. This is the CPU I REALLY wanted anyway. It's faster than the regular PIII or Tualeron. I found someone that has a few box retail CPU's they are selling for a very good price (not cheaper than a 1.0A)! I couldn't pass it up. They may still have some. Hope the mods allow me to say this. If anyone wants one of these, PM me TODAY and I'll give you the email address of the person selling them. Mods, I'm not selling them. I am just sharing the info with OC members that may be trying to find one.

[6502kid]

Olfart,

It just seems strange to me that things start acting up
so suddenly at 150, when 148 is so stable.

I dont think it is the ram. These Kingmax and OCZ sticks
all ran faster, and higher at cas2 on my Abit and Soyo
boards than my Crucial PC133 cas2.

It is weird that at 148 2-2-2 5/7 all is stable, but cant seem
to do 150 without the rounding errors, even at 3-3-3 7/9.

I popped my other 256mb OCZ stick in dimm3 now, and
148 is still solid at the fast settings.

Perhaps I will try the higher settings after some more
burnin time on the motherboard. (It aint even a week old yet)

Also, I know 160/120 on the fsb/ram would give me slower
memory performance, but I had been hoping that with
those 1/5 and 1/6 divisors, I would be able to crank this
thing up over 170/130 or whatever.

I got a lapped aluminum block from a coolermaster with a 6w
fan I ripped out of one of those 4lb Dragon Orb3's cooling
this thing now. Also just got a alpha pal with a delta I could
use, but aint nothing getting that hot yet....

[oldfart]

I'll try it once I get the new CPU. Did you try with just one stick of ram? How about increasing the Vcore? Are you sure its a mem problem, not CPU? The 1.0A I'm running @ 1.4 fine will Blue screen @ 1.45.

The above setup is 1.675 wire trick boot up and then runs 1.65 via the bios.

With the PIII-S, if could run ~ 150 FSB @ default Vcore or near it, I'll be happy. Will the stock HS/Fan be enough?

Also, could you post some benches so I could compare them to my current setup?

[jmsandrsn]

I hope I have better luck with my Celern 1.0A

Hopefully it will be here tomorrw. The tracking number doesn't look very promising though. It seems to indicate that the package has been at UPS in IL for 4 days now. They normally show a departure scan and also indicate where the next hub is that it will travel thorugh. Hopefully they just forgot to do the departure scan.

http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&HTMLVersion=4.0&InquiryNumber1=1Z462E560312365888&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&track=Track

[Yodums]

Originally posted by jmsandrsn
I hope I have better luck with my Celern 1.0A

Hopefully it will be here tomorrw. The tracking number doesn't look very promising though. It seems to indicate that the package has been at UPS in IL for 4 days now. They normally show a departure scan and also indicate where the next hub is that it will travel thorugh. Hopefully they just forgot to do the departure scan.

http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&HTMLVersion=4.0&InquiryNumber1=1Z462E560312365888&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&track=Track

Looks to me like it reached Ohio :D

[oldfart]

jmsandrsn, what mobo are you using?

[jmsandrsn]

Originally posted by Yodums


Looks to me like it reached Ohio :D

If it did, it certainly doesn't look like it normally does. I believe the "shipped to" field simply shows the final destination. Hopefully something new will show tomorrow morning.

[jmsandrsn]

Originally posted by oldfart
jmsandrsn, what mobo are you using?

I'm using an ST6. Has worked flawlessly so far with PIII 1.2 @ 1.5 and Celeron 1.2 @ 1.6. I'm hoping for 1.5 on this new chip...I'm willing to go up to 1.8V if necessary.

[oldfart]

Just curious....You have the P1.2 @ 1.5 and the C1.2 @ 1.6, why the 1.0A @ 1.5?

[jmsandrsn]

Originally posted by oldfart
Just curious....You have the P1.2 @ 1.5 and the C1.2 @ 1.6, why the 1.0A @ 1.5?

I may possibly get rid of the Celeron 1.2 @ 1.6. Depends on how high the 1.0A ends up going. Even if the 1.0A goes up to 1.5 it will stil probably perform better than the 1.2 @ 1.6 since the FSB will be higher. We'll see how it goes.

[6502kid]

Ol Fart,

I dont think it is my memory or the CPU.

I dont know if you will be able to do 150 with it, but you should
be able to do 148 with the most aggressive ram settings.
At default voltage.

Which aint really too bad, although I was hoping for higher.
It gives me 1405mhz. 1200/12xx scores in sandra mem bench.

Tried 1 stick, and 2, in all slot combos for higher fsb.
With the Kingmax PC150 and the OCZPC150, at all combos
of ram settings and Cpu volts from default to 1.575

No difference at all....

I am almost sure it is a chipset or bios problem for anything
over 150. Tried for 151 today, but still had trouble.

I'm not sure if the DIMM overvoltage settings even do anything.
None of those pll divisors help me at this point.
(My HDD and GF2 love 37/78)

A stock HS/fan would probably be ok. I did some tests and
get the same temps with either a Coolermaster cheapo running
at 4500rpm or a Dragon Orb3 at 7000.
(Got a mutant with the Coolermaset H/S and the 7000rpm fan
on now. Still about the same...)

Only thing that will raise your temps would be more voltage.
And you wont need it if your chip runs like mine does.
Unless you have better luck running over 150.:rolleyes:

The only setting I havent messed with yet is those SDRAM
Buffer Strength settings, because I have no idea what these
do.....

[MilkPowder-2]

Originally posted by jmsandrsn


I may possibly get rid of the Celeron 1.2 @ 1.6. Depends on how high the 1.0A ends up going. Even if the 1.0A goes up to 1.5 it will stil probably perform better than the 1.2 @ 1.6 since the FSB will be higher. We'll see how it goes.

If you manage the 1.0A to 1.5, it will not perform higher than Cely 1.2@ 1.6, it would kill the cely 1.2@1.6. Im not kidding. Most real-world apps what we run. You'll see a lot of improvement on the 1.0A@ 1.5 that is if you OC to that sped. I don't like Cely 1.2's because they can't practically be OC'ed to 150- 160fsb. With P3S's and 1.0A (maybe 1.1A too) have a lot better potential in FSB OC.

[6502kid]

Ol Fart,

Here are a couple of benches I just ran. 1 CPU, 1 Mem.
In real time with Prime95, IE 5, Juno, Zonealarm, MBM ect
all running. (Could get a bit higher if I used clean boot....)

At 148fsb, default vcore. 512mb OCZ ram. GF2 450ti

Still lasts years version of SiSoft. Cant get the update downloaded.
I think a bunch of people are hammering the site. :mad:

[6502kid]

:p :burn: :beer:

[6502kid]

Poop

[oldfart]

How in the world are you getting those memory scores? Mine are like 1/2 that (403/439). The ref i815 PC133 CL2 SDRAM score on Sandra 2001te is (397/468). This score is on a 133 MHz bus. Is it the PIII-S that boosts the score, or is Sandra funky?

EDIT:

Oh, I see. Your test is with SSE, mine isn't.

[Celemine1Gig]

Originally posted by 6502kid
Olfart,

It is weird that at 148 2-2-2 5/7 all is stable, but cant seem
to do 150 without the rounding errors, even at 3-3-3 7/9.

I popped my other 256mb OCZ stick in dimm3 now, and
148 is still solid at the fast settings.



That's really weird, because I'm running 150 MHz FSB right @ the moment with 2-2-2 5/7 setting and no problems!! And I didn't even test it any higher @ CAS2 at the moment! I only know that 2-2-2 5/7 isn't working @166 MHz!

I think it's either your RAM or you got bad mobo!
BTW what revision is your board???? My 6OXET is rev. 1.0 !!!!
Your's might be newer and that could be the problem!

[dscline]

6502kid, I wonder if the voltage sensor is sensing the 3.3v BEFORE the ram? I also noticed that changing the dimm voltage adjustment did not change what the bios & sandra report, but I DO think that the dimm overvoltage adjustment is working, because it did help my stability a little.

I just got my GA6OXET-C installed this past weekend. I didn't have the big problems oldfart had, but I am a little dissapointed in this board. It replaced my old BE6-II, which died. Using my old P3 700 b stepping, with the abit board I had no problems hitting 1Ghz when I had one stick of 128MB ram. I eventually filled all three dimm slots (with 128MB Kingmax PC150 sticks), which reduced my overclockability to 980Mhz. With the exact same CPU & ram, the best I can do stable is 933Mhz with the gigabyte. Comparing some benchmarks I had run at 933 with my BE6-II, I've lost about 20% in 3dmark at the default 1024x768 test, and a little under 10% in Q3 at my normal playing rez of 1600x1200x32. I know the BX tends to be a little faster than the 815, but I wasn't expecting that much of a difference. Of course, I have the option to upgrade to a cheap Tualatin Celeron to get me to scores my old board wouldn't have been able to touch, but I wish my current performance was closer to what it was.

I also miss the ability to set my PCI & AGP dividers separately (although this could be an 815 limitation, don't know). My vid card (Radeon 8500) has no problems running at 92Mhz+ AGP speeds, so since I currently seem stuck at a 133FSB, I wish I could get back to my old 1/4 PCI & 2/3 AGP (wondering if my now much slower AGP bus is part of my performance hit). The board has some nice features too though. Does anyone know what the "performance" option does for the memory? I have it turned on (off didn't help overclocking that I noticed), but I'm not really sure what it's doing. Also, any special tricks to get MBM working nicely with this board? I did the ini edit to turn off the continuous beep, but now MBM keeps shutting down my system when I start it (and I don't have any shut down now options turned on).

[MaxFSB]

Intel just released a new PIII-S tually this AM, a 1.4G version. So its using a 10.5x multiplier. At 150FSB that would give you 1575 MHz and 512KB L2 of tually performance. That would be sweet... looks pricy though, $315 in 1000 unit quantity. Still is tempting though if I saw one at the computer show.

1.4GHz tually PIII-S (http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20020108comp.htm)

[oldfart]

Nice! Us PIII diehards still have new stuff. That should be one fast CPU. I got an RMA for the Giga-Bite board. I have a TUSL2-C on the way to go with the PIII-S. I should have it going this weekend.