Tualatin CPU on BX Board? Success?

[Berean]

Hi all,

I've been humming along with a great BX board (MSI's BXmaster) with a 700Mhz O/C'ed to 1.008Ghz (144FSB speed). I'd like to do a slight upgrade to the 1.26Ghz Tualattin, but I'll need a 370 Socket adaptor, since the board is Slot One. I've never used one before. Are they reliable?

Another thing, is the Tualatin 1.26 a Celeron class CPU, or a Pentium 3? I'm a huge fan of the vintage P3 line, and just want to make sure the Tualatin is part of that class. I want to downlock my board to 133Mhz, since 144Mhz has proved too unreliable for USB devices.

Any success stories using a Tualatin CPU with a socket 370 adaptor on a slot one BXchipset board? let's hear em!

Thanks for any advice!

[Yodums]

The adapter will work with BX boards but not with everyone check their site to see whether your board is compatible or not..

Why not just get a Tualatin board and the chip itself?

Its much better..

Yodums

[pappypete]

As far as I know, the only slot one adaptor for Tualatin is the
Powerleap. Check their site for compatibility with your board.

[RainMaQer]

Originally posted by pappypete
As far as I know, the only slot one adaptor for Tualatin is the
Powerleap. Check their site for compatibility with your board.

And that right there should be reason enough to just buy the board for the new chip... the Powerleap is USD $169!!! Not worth it IMO.:p

[Berean]

PowerLeap's adapter for Tualatin CPus is completely compatible with my board (BXMaster)

I dont want to dump my board. Like an old car, you grow attached to it after a while :D

So now my question, is the Tualatin line worth it, or should I just go with the 1.0 to 1.13 (or was it 1.2?) Pentium 3 line? A lot of confusion here. I see places where the Tualatin is listed as a Celeron, and then others where it's listed as a P3. better check Intel's site for specs...

Anyone running a Tualatin on a BX board?

[funnyperson1]

i direct you to this page:
http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?threadid=56519

[Berean]

Originally posted by RainMaQer


And that right there should be reason enough to just buy the board for the new chip... the Powerleap is USD $169!!! Not worth it IMO.:p

You read it wrong, the 169 dollars includes a whole package, a retail 1.2Ghz Tualatin Celeron with heatsink and fan, AND the adapter. Pretty good deal if you ask me. Now let's assume I can resell my old CPU (which can OC to 1.0+Ghz on a supported mobo) for a 100 bucks. That's 69 dollars net that I would have to spend when it comes down to it. I think it's worth it, though I wold put for a P3 line, not the Celeron.

If I wasnt reselling my old CPU it wouldnt be worth the price Id have to pay, but I am absolutely AMAZED at much slot one CPUs are going for on eBay. Better take advantage of it while I can!

[RainMaQer]

I need glasses:p But would a CELERON still be worth it... Hmmm... I guess if you can sell the celeron and get the p3... might be worth it;)

[MilkPowder-2]

Berean, to answer your question in the first post and your last post, here's how they're separated:

Tualatin Celeron = Tualeron = Celeron 3 = T-Celeron is available in:

1.200Ghz(12 x 100)
1.0Ghz A (10 x 100)
1.1Ghz (1.1 x 100)
1.3Ghz (just been released)


Tualatin Pentium3 = P3S with 512K L2 is only available in:

1.266666666Ghz (9.5 x 133.33333)


Tualatin Pentium3 = P3S with 256k L2 is available in:


1.13333Ghz (8.5 x 133.3333)


I listed all these confusing names on both of these chips just to make this clear which is Celeron family and which is Pentium family because not everyone's knows about this. Your wanting to get a P3S is a good idea. They do outperform T-Celerons as you maybe aware of but it's damn pricey though. Have fun choosing.

[Berean]

Tualatin Pentium3 = P3S with 512K L2 is only available in:

1.266666666Ghz (9.5 x 133.33333)


Tualatin Pentium3 = P3S with 256k L2 is available in:


1.13333Ghz (8.5 x 133.3333)



Thanks for the info. I think part of the confusion is that Intel is planning to use the Tualatin as the Celeron alternative to the PIV line. I think we'll see a few more releases of Celeron Tualatins in the future as a result.

But I want P3! :D

They are expensive, but I think if I can get a good deal reselling my CPu on eBay, I could cut the price roughly by half. The only problem is I cant seem to find a reseller that sells the powerleap adapter I need. At their site the only thing they list is the $169 special which includes the Celeron chip. Naaaaah, just give me the adapter. :rolleyes:

[funnyperson1]

why would you pay 150$ more just so you can get a 33mhz bus speed advance when youre gonna overclock anywayz....unless youre going all out for the 512cache version...then ill shut up:p .....also even if you get the powerleap alone it put out only 1.32 volts to the cpu...you may haveproblems running at default unless you do the mod in the link i gave you....

[Berean]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
why would you pay 150$ more just so you can get a 33mhz bus speed advance when youre gonna overclock anywayz....unless youre going all out for the 512cache version...then ill shut up:p .....also even if you get the powerleap alone it put out only 1.32 volts to the cpu...you may haveproblems running at default unless you do the mod in the link i gave you....

:burn: It's an unusual situation, Ill grant you that, but I need to clarify a few things.

The irony is that Im looking to Tualatin so I DONT have to overclock. Go figure. The P3 512K, which is what Im looking at goes at a rated 133FSB by default. So technically Im just overclocking the motherboard to 133FSB to fit the default settings for the Tualatin. I have no intention of OCing the CPU itself unless Ive been drinking again :beer:

My original system now runs at 933Mhz. Ideally that would be changed to a 1.26Ghz Tualatin with the 512K cache, about a 333Mhz difference.

So I guess the question is, do I feel lucky? :cool:

[Primera]

Originally posted by jae87
why not get a 1000e cd0 coppermine? alot of people are hitting 133fsb+ with those. especially if you "insist" on having a p3.

yah like me :o But I cannot deny P3S still. I wanted to get P3S also.

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[Berean]

Originally posted by jae87
[B]uhm, but wouldn't the tualatin core cel 1.2ghz, when overclocked to 1.5 - 1.6 goes a bit faster than the 1.26ghz p3s tualatin chip at stock rated speed?


Not according to all the separate benchmarks I've read. The P3-S was just kicking the crap out of the Celeron, even O/ced to 1.45 Ghz. In fact the P3-S used in the benchmarks was actually a 1.13Ghz, reflecting the performance margin even more. It slapped the 1.4Ghz Pentium IV around in most of the benchmarks as well. Only Athlons rated at 1.2Ghz or higher, and Pentium IV 1.8Ghz fared better overall. I attribute this partially to the 512k cache.


even if a cel-t 1.6ghz is = to a p3t-s 1.26ghz, wouldn't it cost less???


Theres no way I could overclock to 1.6Ghz, in fact I havent heard of any successful cases where this was achieves with rock solid stability.


if you're only looking to hit 1.26 - 1.3 ghz, why not get a 1000e cd0 coppermine? alot of people are hitting 133fsb+ with those. especially if you "insist" on having a p3. would be alot cheaper than a tualatin 1.26 and probably goes a bit faster too.


Maybe, but it's still a crap shoot. I heard with the coppermines there's roughly a 33 percent success ratio in Oc-ing to those rated speeds (according to the PCnut.com folks)

The whole thing is pretty pointless if I have to shell out 300 bucks for a Tualatin, but Ive been seeing some really good deals for them lately, so Ill probably roll the dice and see what happens :D

[dermon]

Berean:

Hey! I also have a BX MasteR! So what did you get?
I'm thinking of getting a PIII 1ghz or a Tualeron 1.1A...
not sure though still

Any suggestions....

[D2DM]

For a cheap P3 class tualatin cpu at 133fsb, i think a good one is a Celeron 1.1A.

Tualatins:
-Celeron 1.0A, 1.1A = P3, 100fsb, 256kb L2 (listed only upto 1.1 because 1.2 and up has not as high chance for 133fsb)
-P3 1.26 = P3, 133fsb, 256kb L2
-P3-S x.xx = P3, 133fsb, 512kb L2 (upto 1.4Ghz)

[logos]

i would go for the 1.1 or 1.2 tuoleron, you can generally get them to 133fsb and that would be way cheaper than pIII at similar speeds. check this thread, there is even a post with links to where you can get an alternative to the powerleap.

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=162362

you can get a slot t and tualeron for ~$65 total, and be running at 11 or 12*133, or higher.

[dustybyrd]

i totally agree with logos...i sold my p3 700 @ 935 on ebay for more money than the Slot-T and tualatin-celeron 1.1A combined----and my sisoft sandra has nearly doubled...

show me a stock 1.26 p3 (512 kb) with better sisoft than 4200 MIPS and 2100 MFLOPS (that equates to a p-4 1.6 ghz) and

and multimedia benchmarks of:

8100 iSSE and 10100 F.pt. iSSE (that's more than p-4 2.0 Ghz)...

[celerongeek]

celeron 1.0@1.5 worked for me.