View Full Version : The new king of the block! NORTHWOOD 2.2
Burning Phoenix
01-07-02, 11:05 PM
CLICK ME CLICK ME (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html)
Supposily due to the new wafer size and die size you may be seeing prices drop 50% + on P4 chips soon. Cheaper than AMD and faster!
Originally posted by Burning Phoenix
CLICK ME CLICK ME (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html)
Supposily due to the new wafer size and die size you may be seeing prices drop 50% + on P4 chips soon. Cheaper than AMD and faster!
thats one thing that intel will never be able to do is have a cheaper cpu than amd at launch
"It is impossible to upgrade a current system that is built on the Pentium 4 Northwood with 133 MHz. Current motherboards only support 100 MHz FSB, even though the BIOS might indicate the contrary. Furthermore, 533 MHz RDRAM modules are expected to be twice the price of conventional PC800 modules. In this case, it might well be better to wait a while, or to choose a P4-chipset with DDR SDRAM support in the first place."
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what they don't tell you is that if you use the 533Mhz RDRAM with the 100Mhz FSB, you will be able to achieve higher FSB speeds when overclocking
after researching, experimenting, and talking to Knowledgeable sources, the RDRAM is most cases is the limiting factor in overclocking the P4 on the 850 chipset.
and i know someone will respond saying that they ran there PC800 at a 133Mhz FSB, and thats great but....
that is probably due to the fact that just like processors, different batches produce different quality of products
so, that person running PC800 at 133 Mhs FSB might have just lucked out and received the new RDRAM (533 Mhz) quality
just food for thought
Burning Phoenix
01-07-02, 11:37 PM
Yeh i have noticed that too. Seems it was always on the average of $800 -$1000 on launch dates for earlier chips but that is steady decreasing. This one debuted at around $550.
I have read in amny articles that when the 533 FSB chips come out you'll need another board for them even though the current boards support up to 133 (x4) fsb.
Originally posted by Burning Phoenix
Yeh i have noticed that too. Seems it was always on the average of $800 -$1000 on launch dates for earlier chips but that is steady decreasing. This one debuted at around $550.
I have read in amny articles that when the 533 FSB chips come out you'll need another board for them even though the current boards support up to 133 (x4) fsb.
thats for quantities of 1000
the cheapest price on pricewatch is $630
correct, when using the 533 on the 850 chipset (at default FSB)
it will run like Pc800
all that the new 533 will allow you to do is tolerate a higher overclock of the FSB...
and you still screw up the PLL and all bus speeds
the new boards that support the 533, will run at 133Mhz, but doesn't screw with the PLL and jack up the bus speeds all around
<ex> 100Mhz FSB overclocked to 133Mhz w\ 533Mhz RDRAM
PLL changes and PCI bus is runs out of spec along with AGP
and other bus's....
133Mhz FSB using 533Mhz RDRAM
same FSB as above except the other bus's run at defualt
specs
and i know you can change the dividers and change the PLL and even go in and physically alter the PLL but thats a whole different story
donny_paycheck
01-08-02, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Burning Phoenix
CLICK ME CLICK ME (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html)
Supposily due to the new wafer size and die size you may be seeing prices drop 50% + on P4 chips soon. Cheaper than AMD and faster!
Isn't it like $200 more than the xp? If you know a source that sells P4s cheaper than athlon xps then I want to know about it.
According to the S-spec chart on the Intel website, the Northwoods will be offered in 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2 gig flavors. Maybe the lower speed Northwoods will be mobile CPUs, I don't know.
Northwoods are already released in 2.0 and 2.2 gig flavors and will soon be released in 1.6 and 1.8 gig flavors too. YIPPEE! That's great news. Finally Intel did something smart. I have been hold off on buying my P-4 since October just waiting until prices dropped a little more. Now I can afford to buy one of those 1.8 gig Northwoods instead of settling for an old Willy P-4. Just think... 1.8 gig P-4 with 512k cache running at 133 FSB for a sweet overclock of 2.4 gig just for starters. Some of the hardware sites are getting up to 2.6 gig out of the new Northwoods. ***drooling*** And best of all, there is supposed to be a nice price drop at the end of January too. The word is that the 1.8 giggers will be in the $200 to $250 range by February 1st. Happy happy joy joy. Good things do happen to those that wait. Check out this link (see below) and Ed's article on the homepage of Overclockers.com.
http://www.theinquirer.net/09010203.htm
seen the low 1.6 and 1.8 on techbargains so I guess they are out.
and cheap too!
http://store.yahoo.com/upsource/cpus-pentium-4--socket-478-.html
what mobo should I get with this bad boy the chip is retail for only 188!
I'd never heard of Upgrade Source so I checked out their rating... pretty stinky.
http://www.resellerratings.com/cgi-bin/reseller/vendone.cgi?UpgradeSource
As for which mobo, here would be my top choices: Abit TH7-II (i850) that uses RDRAM or BD7 (i845) that uses DDR. Also, Asus P4T (i850) that uses RDRAM or P4B266 (i845) that uses DDR. Jeez, the dang mobo is going to cost almost as much as the CPU...LOL.
donny_paycheck
01-09-02, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by batboy
I'd never heard of Upgrade Source so I checked out their rating... pretty stinky.
http://www.resellerratings.com/cgi-bin/reseller/vendone.cgi?UpgradeSource
As for which mobo, here would be my top choices: Abit TH7-II (i850) that uses RDRAM or BD7 (i845) that uses DDR. Also, Asus P4T (i850) that uses RDRAM or P4B266 (i845) that uses DDR. Jeez, the dang mobo is going to cost almost as much as the CPU...LOL.
I read a review of the BD7-RAID and it looks awesome. Do you think the difference between PC2100 DDR and RAMBUS would be very significant performance-wise? I'm laying the plans for a SMP system and debating between P4 Xeons or Athlon MPs....the performance differences between DDR and RAMBUS would weigh heavily in my decision process.
Currently, there is not a big difference between DDR vs. RDRAM benchmarks. In most reviews I've seen, the RDRAM slightly edges out the DDR in most applications. The faster the processor and FSB, then the better the RDRAM will perform. Right now, you might want to hold out until the faster PC1066 RDRAM arrives later this spring, if you're leaning in that direction. It used to be that DDR was significantly cheaper than the RDRAM, but that is not really the case right now. RDRAM has been coming down in price while DDR has been going up in price. I've been hearing really good things about that Abit BD7-RAID mobo too. Lots of great overclocking features. I had to think long and hard on which mobo I should get. I finally ordered the Abit TH7-II RAID yesterday, but the BD7 was a very close second choice. Can't go wrong with either mobo in my opinion.
mikester
01-10-02, 11:35 AM
***droool***
1.6 ghz p4 w/ 512k cache for 188$...100FSB....cool and quiet....totally stable...p4t for 178$....i cant take it much longer....
im am definitely going to be getting a northwood.
Mikester I love your avatar! I need a big version of that.
$630 for a cpu alone. Hell, I can get an Abit KR7A-Raid, 1800+ and 512mg for that price!
Originally posted by Kent
$630 for a cpu alone. Hell, I can get an Abit KR7A-Raid, 1800+ and 512mg for that price!
thats lovely
take it to the AMD forum
Kent, paying $600 for the 2.2 gig Northwood is not my idea of fun either. But, you're missing the point here. The excitement is due to the brand new 1.6 ($200 or less) and 1.8 gig ($250 or less) Northwoods. Now we can buy one of these lower speed Northwoods, plus motherboard and RAM for less than the price of the 2.2 gig P-4 CPU by itself too, just like your AMD system you mentioned. The difference is that we should be able to overclock these Northwoods to about 2.4-2.6 gig or more. Yummy! With twice the cache as the older P-4s and current AMDs, not to mention the P-4's SSE2 capability that new software is just now beginning to utilize, wow... what more can I say? Well... this is exciting stuff to say the least. This setup will be a hardcore gamers wet dream with the right vid card.
Originally posted by batboy
Kent, paying $600 for the 2.2 gig Northwood is not my idea of fun either. But, you're missing the point here. The excitement is due to the brand new 1.6 ($200 or less) and 1.8 gig ($250 or less) Northwoods. Now we can buy one of these lower speed Northwoods, plus motherboard and RAM for less than the price of the 2.2 gig P-4 CPU by itself too, just like your AMD system you mentioned. The difference is that we should be able to overclock these Northwoods to about 2.4-2.6 gig or more. Yummy! With twice the cache as the older P-4s and current AMDs, not to mention the P-4's SSE2 capability that new software is just now beginning to utilize, wow... what more can I say? Well... this is exciting stuff to say the least. This setup will be a hardcore gamers wet dream with the right vid card.
Whoa, thanks for the output, I've never thought of that.
Those Northwoods looks sweet as I saw one to 3gig!
Berserk...
Yodums
I wouldn't hold your breath or bet your life's savings that these new Northwoods will hit 3 gig just yet. Remember, these new Northwoods just out are on their first stepping. The older Willy P-4's are on the third stepping. The coppermine P-III's are on about their fourth stepping (I think). But rest assured... 3 gig is on the horizon... maybe even as soon as later this year. Woohoo!
donny_paycheck
01-10-02, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Kent
$630 for a cpu alone. Hell, I can get an Abit KR7A-Raid, 1800+ and 512mg for that price!
Heh...I hear ya, I did the exact same thing, only 768mb of Corsair PC2400 instead! Whoop-a$$ system for not much cash! Sure smokes the hell outta my friend's P4 2.0. Thing is, something about the .13 micron core intrigues me. Smaller size, lower power and less heat can only mean better technology....even if it's not as fast as an xp, the xp design is at it's limits right now while it seems that this Northwood is only beginning to do it's work. As far as potential goes, it's got it, so I'm interested. For now though, I'll stick with my 1800+/KR7A/DDR combo.
funnyperson1
01-10-02, 04:56 PM
hmm for 190$ a Northwood 1.6 looks pretty shweet....so what if it gets crushed by a 1600+....i oc that baby to 2.6 and well see if any athlon can beat me...
donny_paycheck
01-10-02, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by funnyperson1
hmm for 190$ a Northwood 1.6 looks pretty shweet....so what if it gets crushed by a 1600+....i oc that baby to 2.6 and well see if any athlon can beat me...
That's exactly what I meant by potential......but all I can say is wait until AMD gets off their as$es and releases the thoroughbred .13 core. That's it man, game over man, game over! (bill paxton in aliens voice) And you know it'll cost like 1/2 of the P4 rival, too.
SteenkyBastage
01-10-02, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by funnyperson1
hmm for 190$ a Northwood 1.6 looks pretty shweet....so what if it gets crushed by a 1600+....i oc that baby to 2.6 and well see if any athlon can beat me...
1ghz overclock huh? man...
thought i read on the front page they werent so hot at overclocking, and that the 1.6 and 1.8 aren't gonna be available much to the public...
ahhhhhhhh... dont you love p4's?
look here (http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm)
funnyperson1
01-10-02, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by SteenkyBastage
1ghz overclock huh? man...
thought i read on the front page they werent so hot at overclocking, and that the 1.6 and 1.8 aren't gonna be available much to the public...
ahhhhhhhh... dont you love p4's?
look here (http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm)
i actually saw an online stroe selling a 1.6 notrhwood....and the overclock extremely well...you see its the stepping that is important....a cBo 600PIII however will oc much better than a cA2 700PIII......so in other words....the 2.2s go up to 2.6 pretty much....so i wouldnt be surprised to see the 1.6/1.8 go up that high......its the same core.....specially with some water:)
oh yeah...2.6 is with air :)....
SteenkyBastage
01-10-02, 05:44 PM
that's 163% over stock...
gonna need some good ram, since it's all gotta be fsb. would that be (rdram wise) 1300mhz? not sure as i've never had any faith in messing with the p4.
that article i listed a few posts back points out many reasons why the p4 seems to have flopped compared to it's potential. hopefully intel will start progressing forward here with the northwoods, altho i'm even a little disappointed with what i'm hearing about them, too.
the northwood at 630 is crazy! most of us will get a 1.6 or 1.8 and push that chip to at least 2.2 I don't think 2.6 is too crazy if you use ddr/fsb if only u could unlock them. with a vapochill it would do it easy. the thing is will it pass prime95?
Originally posted by el
the northwood at 630 is crazy! most of us will get a 1.6 or 1.8 and push that chip to at least 2.2 I don't think 2.6 is too crazy if you use ddr/fsb if only u could unlock them. with a vapochill it would do it easy. the thing is will it pass prime95?
Whats hard about the P4 is to find the cooling.
But if you get some water cooling that thing will hit 2.2 easily and hit 2.4 on average I'd bet. With a peltier you'd probably squeeze a little more probably 2.45-2.6 ...
-By the way I'm predicting from 1.6gigs.
Yodums
I'm going with the 1.8 gig Northwood (should easily overclock to 18X133=2400MHz). You'll need exceptional RAM to make the 1.6 giggers overlock much past 2.2 gig, but with the 1.8 giggers, the sweet spot ought to fall at about 140 FSB (hopefully). As far as air cooling, I currently have on order a Swiftech MCX478, which is the best socket 478 cooler on the market. The Northwood are 0.13 micron and run at a lower default voltage than the older 0.18 micron Willy. Meaning, the Northwood should run cooler than the older Willy P-4.
http://www.swiftnets.com/_borders/mcx4624.jpghttp://www.swiftnets.com/_borders/mcx4623.gif
Joe Citarella reviews 6 Pentium 4 coolers, and concludes: "Swiftech's MCX478 dominates PIV cooling" overclockers.com PIV Heatsink Roundup article, January 8, 2002
Originally posted by batboy
I'm going with the 1.8 gig Northwood (maybe 18X133=2400MHz). You'll need exceptional RAM to make the 1.6 giggers overlock much past 2.2 gig, but with the 1.8 giggers, the sweet spot ought to fall at about 140 FSB (hopefully). As far as air cooling, I have currently have on order a Swiftech MCX478, which is the best socket 478 cooler on the market. The Northwood are 0.13 micron and run at a lower default voltage than the older 0.18 micron Willy. Meaning, the Northwood should run cooler than the older Willy P-4.
http://www.swiftnets.com/_borders/mcx4624.jpghttp://www.swiftnets.com/_borders/mcx4623.gif
Joe Citarella reviews 6 Pentium 4 coolers, and concludes: "Swiftech's MCX478 dominates PIV cooling" overclockers.com PIV Heatsink Roundup article, January 8, 2002
Those heatsink look sweet but expect to mount like a 80mm Delta 68cfm on it and prepare for setting up hair drier's in your case :D
Why not just get the Delta 80mm, 80cfm "World's Most Power 80mm Fan as it probably won't sound so different from the other Delta's near 50dBA.
Well Swiftech always does it.
Good Luc
The fan that comes with this Swifty is indeed the Delta 68CFM 80x80x38mm fan rated at a noise level of 48.5 dBA. Yes, it's loud. I have several other 80mm fans that I'm going to test with it too. My P-III currently has a GlobalWin FOP with a Sunon high output 80mm fan rated at 42CFM and it's pretty quiet. I'd like to use that fan on the Swiftech and hopefully with all the other cooling mods I have (Arctic Silver II, four 80mm case fans, rounded cables, etc.) maybe it will cool that Northwood enough. Guess I'll find out whether it will or won't.
My future system: Northwood P-4 (have not bought this yet), Abit TH7-II RAID (ordered), Swiftech MXC478 cooler (ordered), Antec SX635 case with 350 watt power supply, 512 megs of Samsung RDRAM (ordered), two 40 gig IBM GXP60 harddrives in RAID 0 configuration, Kenwood True X CD-ROM, Sony 24X10X40X CD burner, Soundblaster X-Gamer 5.1, Cambridge Soundworks 4 speakers and powered sub, OCZ Titan3 GeForce3, US Robotics 56k modem, MS Intellimouse, MS Sidewinder II force feedback joystick, Sony Trinitron 19 inch monitor (have not bought this yet), etc.
***rubbing hands briskly together with glee***
Inteleron
01-11-02, 12:49 AM
Pentium 4 Northwoods...
i have a few DIRT CHEAP only 2.0ghz
2A / 512 / 400 / 1.5v
Stepping SL5YR made in MAYLAY :D
e-mail me at bee338@home.com ...if you are interested.
P.S. i mean CHEAP ...cheaper than anywhere else. :p
Originally posted by Inteleron
Pentium 4 Northwoods...
i have a few DIRT CHEAP only 2.0ghz
2A / 512 / 400 / 1.5v
Stepping SL5YR made in MAYLAY :D
e-mail me at bee338@home.com ...if you are interested.
P.S. i mean CHEAP ...cheaper than anywhere else. :p
don't quite understand what you are saying but you aren't supposed to sell stuff in this forum.
How well do your northwoods overclock?
i only want one of those 2Ghz if they are about the same as a 1.8Ghz
it will get to about the same speed
BZMeRLiN
01-11-02, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by batboy
The difference is that we should be able to overclock these Northwoods to about 2.4-2.6 gig or more.
What, exactly, are the implications of attempting an overclock on a 1.6 (or 1.8) Northwood P4? Is it better to use RDRAM or DDR for this? What motherboard? Is it possible to overclock this chip and keep PCI/AGP all in spec?
here's what im thinking about
the P4 socket 423 socket 478(256k cache) socket 478(512K cache)
they all have a bus of 100mhz x 4 = 400Mhz Dual channel
or are the newer Northwoods going to be 133mxz x 4 = 533Mhz dual channel?
or are the Northwoods just going to allow 133mhz x 4 = 533 rdram
the reason i ask this is because of a couple things.
1. if its is the 100mhz, as it is now, then i prove my point that the pc800 was holding people back on the most part from overclocking the 850 chipset really well
if your able to now stick in 533mhz rdram and get the clock speed of 20 x 133 instead of 20 x 100(2 ghz chip)
then its the memory causing problems in overclocking
but, the agp and pci are still way out of spec unless the board has a good divider
and what happens when the chip is designed with the 533mhz
133mhz x 4
there went that great overclocking unless another standard of RDRAM comes out
just a thought
I know for a fact that the Abit socket 478 P-4 mobos do allow you to fix the PCI and AGP buses at default settings. I believe that Asus has a similar feature on their mobos too. As for which RAM overclocks better, that I don't know for sure. But, I think both do quite well. I do know that RDRAM really likes fast CPUs and high FSB. If you get the RDRAM, I've heard that Samsung and Corsair brand are the two better performers and have good quality control. There is new and faster PC1066 RDRAM standard that will be introduced later this spring that will work at 133 FSB and higher. Trey is right, P-4 systems with RDRAM uses a quad pumped dual channel memory bus. Later this year, P-4's will be released with 133 FSB as default.
BZMeRLiN
01-11-02, 04:04 PM
How are the motherboards keeping the PCI in spec during overclocks? Doesn't this negate the point of Intel locking the multiplier in the first place if true?
Looks like Intel has gone back to being mental midgets. The new Northwood 1.6 and 1.8 gig might not be produced for the general public after all. Check out the link. Bummer.
http://www.theinquirer.net/10010205.htm
BZMeRLiN
01-12-02, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by batboy
Looks like Intel has gone back to being mental midgets. The new Northwood 1.6 and 1.8 gig might not be produced for the general public after all. Check out the link. Bummer.
http://www.theinquirer.net/10010205.htm
Do you believe the inquirer over your own eyes? This site is already selling them...
http://store.yahoo.com/upsource/cpus-pentium-4--socket-478-.html
BZMeRLiN
01-12-02, 12:48 AM
Repeating the question since no answers were forthcoming...
What, exactly, are the implications of attempting an overclock on a 1.6 (or 1.8) Northwood P4? Is it better to use RDRAM or DDR for this? What motherboard? Is it possible to overclock this chip and keep PCI/AGP all in spec?
donny_paycheck
01-12-02, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by batboy
My future system: Northwood P-4 (have not bought this yet), Abit TH7-II RAID (ordered), Swiftech MXC478 cooler (ordered), Antec SX635 case with 350 watt power supply, 512 megs of Samsung RDRAM (ordered), two 40 gig IBM GXP60 harddrives in RAID 0 configuration, Kenwood True X CD-ROM, Sony 24X10X40X CD burner, Soundblaster X-Gamer 5.1, Cambridge Soundworks 4 speakers and powered sub, OCZ Titan3 GeForce3, US Robotics 56k modem, MS Intellimouse, MS Sidewinder II force feedback joystick, Sony Trinitron 19 inch monitor (have not bought this yet), etc.
***rubbing hands briskly together with glee***
NICE....so I'm curious.....why the TH7-II and not the BD7? Is it because RDRAM is really that good and overclocks so well? The BD7 has some sweet features that the TH7-II doesn't have although it's mostly stupid foo foo stuff like onboard power and reset switches for troubleshooting as well as a 2-digit LED POST code display just like the Epox 8KHA boards. Back to my question....so the DDR doesn't hit an OC as well as RAMBUS then, huh?
Oh and allow me to reccomend the CSW DTT3500 5.1 digitals (http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/multimedia/dtt3500.htm)....SWEET sound and they come with a Dolby Digital decoder!
Merlin, look back at a couple of my previous posts, I answered your questions. Also, that vendor you listed is known to take your money before they stock the item and then making you wait for weeks before shipping. Look at their rating, something like 2 out of 7.... that's a poor rating. I doubt I'd buy anything from upsource.com
Donny, to be honest.... I flipped a coin...ok not really, but the Abit BD7 and DDR is a great combo. If the price was a little lower, I would of bought it. But, for almost the same price I bought the TH7-II and RDRAM and am hoping this has good potential and will keep getting better. Really, I don't think you can go wrong with either option right now.
batboy, you'll be happy with your TH7-II raid, believe me. I'm really happy with mine, especially after the .38 bios update. The RDRAM solution gains much more from overclocking the fsb than the DDR boards do. I run my board and RDRAM at 533/133 Mhz fsb and it's rock stable, even with a C1 stepping cpu and Intel retail cooler. I've got a Swiftech MCX478 coming late next week, so maybe I'll be able to squeeze it even a bit higher yet. I can run windows as high as 2040 Mhz (544/136 Mhz fsb) but games crash. The only small setback here is the TH7-II so far only allows max. 1.625V for Northwoods, which would limit the overclocking potential a bit. Afaik, Abit may release a new bios with a higher max. setting, but even if they don't, there's always the HW mod. And I will do it if there isn't a new bios release by the time I get my hands on a Northwood. 3Ghz is the next stop :D
BZMeRLiN
01-14-02, 02:59 PM
I'm not really seeing the kind of detail I'd expect on my issues of overclocking a P4 Northwood. How do the motherboards get around the PCI/AGP being thrown out of line when the motherboard chipsets only support 1/3 or 1/4 dividers and you set the FSB between one of the true stopping points (instead of 100 or 133, say 120 or 140)? If this is indeed possible in the newer motherboards (I have a TUSL2-C currently) doesn't it negate Intel's point of locking the multipliers in the first place? I mean why do it if the motherboards can just negate it like that?
Also it seems some are saying RAMBUS is better for overclocking. Is it? What brands are the best if I wanted to take a 1.6 or 1.8 Northwood P4 and OC it? How high can I reasonably expect to get before the RAM croaks and causes issues? And again will AGP/PCI be in spec? Sorry to harp on the AGP/PCI but I've seen issues from OC these components and I've only performed "perfect overclocks" in the past (where the OC occurs by jumping from one true point to the next (66 to 100, 100 to 133) as I like for everything else to be rock stable.
funnyperson1
01-14-02, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by BZMeRLiN
I'm not really seeing the kind of detail I'd expect on my issues of overclocking a P4 Northwood. How do the motherboards get around the PCI/AGP being thrown out of line when the motherboard chipsets only support 1/3 or 1/4 dividers and you set the FSB between one of the true stopping points (instead of 100 or 133, say 120 or 140)? If this is indeed possible in the newer motherboards (I have a TUSL2-C currently) doesn't it negate Intel's point of locking the multipliers in the first place? I mean why do it if the motherboards can just negate it like that?
Also it seems some are saying RAMBUS is better for overclocking. Is it? What brands are the best if I wanted to take a 1.6 or 1.8 Northwood P4 and OC it? How high can I reasonably expect to get before the RAM croaks and causes issues? And again will AGP/PCI be in spec? Sorry to harp on the AGP/PCI but I've seen issues from OC these components and I've only performed "perfect overclocks" in the past (where the OC occurs by jumping from one true point to the next (66 to 100, 100 to 133) as I like for everything else to be rock stable.
i think intel was more against people remarking cou by changing the multiplier and selling them,,,,hobbyists are fine...
BZMeRLiN
01-14-02, 08:14 PM
Thanks... do you have any answers for the questions I posed?
funnyperson1
01-14-02, 08:48 PM
with most modern intel cpus with a bus of 100 and a good mobo, the 1/3 divider will go up to an fsb of 123, at 124 the pci bus is at 1/4 divider so that pci/hdds dont get damaged at high pci.....after 133 there is no holds barred, the only mobo i know of with more than 1/4 pci dividers is the Gigabyte XET board...
BZMeRLiN
01-14-02, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by funnyperson1
with most modern intel cpus with a bus of 100 and a good mobo, the 1/3 divider will go up to an fsb of 123, at 124 the pci bus is at 1/4 divider so that pci/hdds dont get damaged at high pci.....after 133 there is no holds barred, the only mobo i know of with more than 1/4 pci dividers is the Gigabyte XET board...
So, IOW, what those guys were saying is wrong? They insinuated that the latest mobos have the ability to somehow keep the PCI/AGP in spec while not at the natural frequencies of 66/100/133 but what you're telling me is what I already knew (and why i was asking since I have no desire to over OR underclock my PCI/AGP slots). An overclock's value is seriously diminished if you either slow down all your peripherals (overclock but use a higher divider) or cause instability (overclock using a lesser divider than needed).
So then there *isn't* a way to OC the new Northwood P4s using RAMBUS and still keep the PCI/AGP in spec unless you manage to hit 133 with it?
No the Abit TH7-II and BD7 both allow you to fix AGP and PCI freq. at 66 and 33 respectively. Its a very cool feature.
BZMeRLiN
01-15-02, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by skrill
No the Abit TH7-II and BD7 both allow you to fix AGP and PCI freq. at 66 and 33 respectively. Its a very cool feature.
Now we're getting somewhere! So this ability does exist! Excellent news indeed! Thanks for that info! So as long as my RDRAM and CPU can deal the PCI/AGP are set... Do any Asus boards do this as I'm a bit wary of ABit these days?
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Wait a second. The BD7 uses the 845D chipset apparently so I'm stuck with DDR (which people here are saying doesn't OC so well). Looks like the TH7-II uses the 850 so that's good to go. That may be the winner if Asus doesn't offer the same feature of locking the AGP/PCI.
Dude -- I don't remember the last time Abit put out a bad board.
KR7A, KG7, KT7, TH7, TH7-II etc.
In my opinion Abit has become the best board maker around. I love my KR7A.
BZMeRLiN
01-15-02, 10:00 AM
Does anyone have an actual *shipping* source for 1.6 or 1.8 Northwood P4s?
BZMeRLiN
01-15-02, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by skrill
Dude -- I don't remember the last time Abit put out a bad board.
KR7A, KG7, KT7, TH7, TH7-II etc.
In my opinion Abit has become the best board maker around. I love my KR7A.
Not to be argumentative but it has been a pretty common perception among the people I frequent that ABit as slipped in quality the last few years. Their last great board was the 440BX-based BH6 - ever since then I've stayed away. Here's some of the reasons why:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=abit+bad+company&hl=en
Some choice quotes:
"> Wow, I touch a chance and tried out a Abit motherboard.
> Up to now I have been a die hard ASUS fan and I kick myself for ever leaving
> ASUS.
> Sure they took a little longer to get a UDAM66 board to market but after
> trying one I am so ****ed I went with this Abit crap.
>
> First if there is anyone out that claims they get any type of performance
> off the Hotrod66 they are smoking the best Jamican and should pass it around
> for everyone to toke off.
>
> Not only is it slow, and I mean slow (my old ASUS Pentium 233Mhz with 9.1GB
> Ultra-SCSI kicks it's ass) I can't uncompress RAR files in neither Winrar
> 2.60 or Winace without getting a CRC error. If I copy the RAR file to my
> 233Mhz NT machine it not only uncompresses properly but does so in under 2
> minutes vs 30 minutes for the Abit board under Win98. No **** here if I even
> get it to uncompress I go watch TV for 30minutes. Usually though I get
> broken file links or CRC errors way before it finishes."
"> Well if misery loves company KA7 owners should thrilled, just look at the
> post in this news group. The KA7 has problems under following conditions:
> running windows 98, 98se, 2000
> Booting up when it's own bios is stupid to allocate the interupts without
> moving the cards around in the slots.
> According to ABIT tech support this is caused by
> Stupid uses
> Bad memory
> Bad video cards
> bad operating systems
> bad power supplies
> did I forget anything
> As a user who has been putting together pc's since 1986 and buys only the
> best componants, bull boys, if it works half the time for half the people
> it's not good enough. I wish supermicro made a athalon board, I think they
> actually test things before they ship em."
BZMeRLiN
01-15-02, 01:32 PM
Shameless *BUMP*
Does anyone have any more info on OC the P4 and/or the Northwood P4s?
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