PIII Water-Cooling

[soil]

hi, 1st time in Cooling

I am now using a quiet and humble GoldenOrb giving me 37 idle 47 fullload with case closed and no case fan.

I just ordered a PIII1000E SL5QV and planning to clock it to 1.4G@2.2v Vcore. I have on hand a heatsink like an inverted trapezoid with a 80mm fan but this is a bit noisy (not due to the fan noise but due to some vibration caused by the inverted trapezoid shape, I may need a shim) so I am thinking about water cooling. Supposingly a PIII (29W@1.75v) at the above parameters is still not as hot as a T-Bird. I don't intend to super-cool the chip, just want to maintain it at say 18 celsius so peltier is not needed(?)

Thus I am thinking about an internal minimal water-cooling set-up with an aluminum water-block, a small water tank with built-in pump (mag drive?) ideally using the 12V from the 4-pin connector rather than 110V AC, a small radiator with 1 or 2 60mm fans.

Is such a set-up adequate or feasible and where such parts can be found, appreciate your comments.

Thanks.

[Yodums]

Get:
Either a Maze 2 if it'll fit for Socket 370 but it says Socket A so it'll fit, lets wait for someone to follow up on that.
Eheim 1250 w/ 3/8 fittings
Find a cheap radiator somewhere not too sure where they are.

But as for basic components I would get what I recommend :D

You will go down to under ambient if you have a powerful radiator ....

Yodums

[soil]

Originally posted by Yodums
Get:
Either a Maze 2...
Eheim 1250 w/ 3/8 fittings


:D so Maze 2 is a waterblock? And Eheim 1250 is a pump? Is it using 12V DC? So far I've not been able to find a DC pump...a DC pump can get rid of a second AC wire, a step-down AC transformer and ensure sychronous power-on

[Bender]

Heater cores work well as radiators. At your local auto parts store you should be able to get one for around $15-25. If you want something thats ready to bolt into your case you can check out Dangerden.com, Overclock-Watercool.com or CPUFX.com Leufkentechnologies.com... The Eheim pumps are good if you don't care about spending a bit more money. I reccomend a Maxi-Jet 1200 for under $20 which is half to a third less expensive than an Eheim. There are a few water blocks I can reccomend, first the Dangerden Maze1, a Leufkentechnologies block, a Be cooling Jaged Edge or a CPUFX Z4. Personaly I would go with a Dangerden Cube radiator, a Maze1 block and the Maxi-Jet 1200 pump. There is a lot of different water cooling stuff out there so its easiest to stick with ordering from 1 good place.

[Yodums]

Seeing you have the Maxi-Jet you can go for it if it's known to be good quality and shaving off about 45 dollars and you can stick that 45 dollar for a use of a good radiator.

Yodums

[Bender]

Save your money and buy the Maxi-Jet 1200 from This (http://www.marinedepot.com/a_ph_mj.asp?CartId=) place for only $18.95.

[soil]

great! just want to say that I can find the Eheim but can't find the Maxi-jet. The Eheim is AC powered, how about the Maxi-jet?

The only other DC pump w/ tank is found in Overclock-Watercool.com

I may end up buying 1 or 2 parts from each store:p

[Bender]

DON'T get the pump from Overclock-Watercool. The pump they sell there is a 12v dc bilge pump. Bilge pumps arent made for long periods of use. The Maxi-Jet is an AC pump so you will have to plug it in or make a relay switch so it will turn on with the rest of your system. I'm to lazy to make the relay switch even though I have all the parts so I just have my system on a power strip. This way I cant turn on the computer unles the pump is running.

[Yodums]

How can't you find the link when Bender posted the direct link even to the product itself?

Yodums

[soil]

Originally posted by Yodums
How can't you find the link when Bender posted the direct link even to the product itself?

Yodums

:D before I saw the link

[Yodums]

Originally posted by soil


:D before I saw the link

*Smax himself*


Aw...

[Bender]

Soil I think I'll take the link out for a while so you can smack Yodums around a little.

Youdums-"I swear Bender put the link in there"

Soil-"Shut your festering gob You vacuous piece of parrot dropping, your type really ticks me off"

[Yodums]

*Memorizes the URL*

Either way he gets the URL!

[Silversinksam]

Thanks Bender, Im tinkering around here trying to put together a 478 DDR water cooled system.

So far I have 768 megs of pc2100 ram bought when memory was cheap......That was the start of my system, ive got the case and now I just ordered my Maxi Jet Powerhead 1200 for $18.95

A few more parts to get but im getting there.

ps I plan on having a huge external resevoir so I may call Marine Dept and get a 2nd Maxi Jet and have a redundant pump.


I was in aviation engineering and theres gotta be a backup :p




maybe i'll get 3 and have a back up to the back up :p

[Yodums]

Hehe Sam you can never be too secure :D

I hope everything with the new system goes well, so far its looking great.

Are you planning to get the Northwood? Those things are crazy expensive..

Yodums

[Bender]

Silversinksam did you get your water block yet? If not Dangerden now has a socket 478 water block and cpufx has a Z4 for the socket 478.

By the way I have had my pump running for about 5 months streight. I run my system 24/7. So far I havn't rebooted XP in over 4 days and that was only to put in another hard drive.

[Silversinksam]

Yodums,

Still debating on that one $ 331 is the cheapest Northwood and mobo combo P4T-E WOA, NoAudio,Socket-478,Pentium4 Northwood, UDMA-100, 4RIMM,400MHz FSB


I'd rather avoid Rambus chipsets

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Silversinksam
Yodums,

Still debating on that one $ 331 is the cheapest Northwood and mobo combo P4T-E WOA, NoAudio,Socket-478,Pentium4 Northwood, UDMA-100, 4RIMM,400MHz FSB


I'd rather avoid Rambus chipsets

Does the P4T-E come w/ a DDR chipset though? I thought that motherboard uses a rambus chipset.

Yodums

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Bender
Silversinksam did you get your water block yet? If not Dangerden now has a socket 478 water block and cpufx has a Z4 for the socket 478.



Thanks Bender looks like Im going there now, thanks

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Yodums


Does the P4T-E come w/ a DDR chipset though? I thought that motherboard uses a rambus chipset.

Yodums

Its a rambus chipset Intel 850

Wont work with the ram I have.....Why I didnt buy rambus ram while it was cheap is another issue

[Aesik]

Originally posted by Yodums


You will go down to under ambient if you have a powerful radiator ....

Yodums

Pssstt.....you can't get under ambient with using only a radiator to dump heat out of a closed system.

[soil]

hi, guys I'm back :D

I really wonder whether I should submerge a 110V AC device under water?

Also any idea of a radiator around the size of 80mmx80mmx160mm? I can't fit a 120mm fan or a 6" long radiator into my case...:rolleyes: do you think it is possible to make a radiator at home by drilling holes on a heatsink fins (may not even need to drill holes) and fixed some copper tubes onto the heatsink and put a normal 80mm heat sink fan onto it? Anyway I am dealing with the heat of a PIII only? Compared with a commercial product I would not have the fins but I can have much longer copper tubes which have have contact with the heatsink...I have numerous CPU heatsink, can even used some used amplifier heatsink...the concerns are:
(a) corrosion of the copper tubes (I'll use distilled water unless someone convinced otherwise)
(b) how to fixed the barb to the copper tubes? or I don't need barbs at all if I used 3/8" tubes
(c) is copper water block better than aluminum block? I worry about rusting & corrosion...
(d) I won't be using tower case but desktop case will this be a defect or edge?
(e) is there something like a radiattor tank, ie, heat can be dissipated when inside the tank with fins blown by fans?

tks

[soil]

Originally posted by Aesik


Pssstt.....you can't get under ambient with using only a radiator to dump heat out of a closed system.

have to use a peltie? then comes the dew...ambient is fine...:rolleyes:

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by soil
hi, guys I'm back :D

I really wonder whether I should submerge a 110V AC device under water?

Also any idea of a radiator around the size of 80mmx80mmx160mm? I can't fit a 120mm fan or a 6" long radiator into my case...:rolleyes: do you think it is possible to make a radiator at home by drilling holes on a heatsink fins (may not even need to drill holes) and fixed some copper tubes onto the heatsink and put a normal 80mm heat sink fan onto it? Anyway I am dealing with the heat of a PIII only? Compared with a commercial product I would not have the fins but I can have much longer copper tubes which have have contact with the heatsink...I have numerous CPU heatsink, can even used some used amplifier heatsink...the concerns are:
(a) corrosion of the copper tubes (I'll use distilled water unless someone convinced otherwise)
(b) how to fixed the barb to the copper tubes? or I don't need barbs at all if I used 3/8" tubes
(c) is copper water block better than aluminum block? I worry about rusting & corrosion...
(d) I won't be using tower case but desktop case will this be a defect or edge?
(e) is there something like a radiattor tank, ie, heat can be dissipated when inside the tank with fins blown by fans?

tks

i dont think their is a radiator that small, i think you could put a radiator along the bottem of you case facing down and hole for the fan in the bottem

a) use distilled water + water wetter

b) copper pipes for what, use tubes to connect the components together

c) no corroson with water wetter but copper is a better thermal conductor

d) you will have a space problem

e) eh?

[Bender]

Leufkentechnologies.com (http://www.leufkentechnologies.com/watercooling.shtml) has a 2.5"x9" radiator you may be able to squeeze in your case. I have no Idea how well it would work but for a p3 it will probably do very well.

[Aesik]

Originally posted by soil


have to use a peltie? then comes the dew...ambient is fine...:rolleyes:

To get below ambient you would have to use either a peltier, evaporative cooler (bong!) or a refrigeration system. There are a few others ways to do so, but those are the three most popular.