View Full Version : 2.5" Velociraptor 10,000RPM Drive- Announced
nightelph
07-24-08, 05:56 AM
News Link (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/07-23-2008/0004853930&EDATE=)
WD Link (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=494)
Apparently its being targeted at blade servers and consumes %35 less power than the previous. It packs up to 300GB with a 16mb buffer. Available by the end of thew month. I would think its only a matter of time before we see these in laptops.
News Link (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/07-23-2008/0004853930&EDATE=)
WD Link (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=494)
Apparently its being targeted at blade servers and consumes %35 less power than the previous. It packs up to 300GB with a 16mb buffer. Available by the end of thew month. I would think its only a matter of time before we see these in laptops.
:eh?: So now they decide to make them factor. I see they also have them in 150GB too. So much for the crazy icepack idea they tried to sale as a "cooler"
It keeps mine cool... Not to mention, there are very few cases with 2.5" ability(Other than rack solutions and matx), so even if they didnt include the Icepak you would need to use brackets.
WOnder if they will charge less for the 2.5" version without the HS.
Old Thrashbarg
07-24-08, 12:21 PM
I just wonder how they're gonna do it... I'd thought that the ginormous heatsink on the consumer version was necessary for cooling the thing, but what makes the difference that the enterprise version of the same drive doesn't need it? Especially since 'enterprise class' is usually supposed to mean 'high reliability.'
I dunno, I'm a little leery of this thing until it proves itself in the real world. Would be pretty sweet to put a few of 'em in something like this (http://www.circotech.com/bp-sata1842b-5-25-internal-hard-drive-cage-for-4-x-2-5--notebook-hard-drives.html), though, if it does pan out.
They will market the 3.5" version to consumers and the 2.5" to businesses for rack systems most likely.
If you think about it, when 10 - 15k SAS drives are in a rack mount system, they are going to be just as hot as the VR. So the rack cooling should be able to handle the VR as well..
Shiggity
07-24-08, 01:26 PM
Will those fit into standard laptops?
wingman99
07-24-08, 01:35 PM
Will those fit into standard laptops?No they have extra height due to the two platters:(
I just wonder how they're gonna do it... I'd thought that the ginormous heatsink on the consumer version was necessary for cooling the thing, but what makes the difference that the enterprise version of the same drive doesn't need it? Especially since 'enterprise class' is usually supposed to mean 'high reliability.'
I dunno, I'm a little leery of this thing until it proves itself in the real world. Would be pretty sweet to put a few of 'em in something like this (http://www.circotech.com/bp-sata1842b-5-25-internal-hard-drive-cage-for-4-x-2-5--notebook-hard-drives.html), though, if it does pan out.
It is not necessary for the drive to function although a byproduct is slightly lower temperatures as many tests have shown. Unfortunatly you can't remove it or it voids the warranty, but IMO the think looks really cool.
And... I'm all about cool :cool:
No they have extra height due to the two platters:( Correct, the VR is 2.5mm to tall to fit in a laptop
nightelph
07-24-08, 01:43 PM
Correct, the VR is 2.5mm to tall to fit in a laptop
DANG. -For now.
depending on the cost it's going in my laptop. 2.5mm is that much plastic to cut out. Besides my laptop is out of warranty already so :p. I think I already have clearance room in my laptop as is. Ill have to check it out later.
depending on the cost it's going in my laptop. 2.5mm is that much plastic to cut out. Besides my laptop is out of warranty already so :p. I think I already have clearance room in my laptop as is. Ill have to check it out later.
My suggestion is that if your laptop is out of warranty, it's probably too old to warrant the cost of putting this drive in it. The performance just wouldn't suffice.
depending on the cost it's going in my laptop. 2.5mm is that much plastic to cut out. Besides my laptop is out of warranty already so :p. I think I already have clearance room in my laptop as is. Ill have to check it out later.
It will not fit in a laptop. It doesnt even have the correct connection for a laptop.
depending on the cost it's going in my laptop. 2.5mm is that much plastic to cut out. Besides my laptop is out of warranty already so :p. I think I already have clearance room in my laptop as is. Ill have to check it out later.
I'd rather put a SSD in a laptop rather than a drive that is smaller and spins faster in something that isn't on stable ground.
I'd rather put a SSD in a laptop rather than a drive that is smaller and spins faster in something that isn't on stable ground.
+1
My suggestion is that if your laptop is out of warranty, it's probably too old to warrant the cost of putting this drive in it. The performance just wouldn't suffice.
The laptop is the one in my sig. It's not that old and to me warrants upgrades. The only thing lacking in it is the graphics, but I do a lot of photoshoping on it so the extra hardrive speed and ram warrants it for me.
It will not fit in a laptop. It doesnt even have the correct connection for a laptop.
This I was not sure of. If they happen to make it with a smaller sata connection or I can find a sata adapter of some sort I would still be willing to do it.
I'd rather put a SSD in a laptop rather than a drive that is smaller and spins faster in something that isn't on stable ground.
A solid state is not worth it to me. The cost is way to much and the amount of space I would get is way to little. A 300 gig raptor would be worth it to me because I only have a 160 gig seagate drive in it now. Also my laptop is more often then not on stable ground. I use a laptop because of space constraints in my house. I dont have the space for my own tower anymore any my wife is sick of me constantly upgrading and changing things. She only plays games online but when she wants to do it she wants it to work right then. A laptop also leaves me the ability to take my computer to work. During the week days I have a minimum of 3 hours down time everyday after patients go to bed and my job becomes a professional babysitter at that point where there is literally nothing else to do besides watch TV. So gaming is a nice alternative since I dont really watch TV.
Xenocide
07-24-08, 04:26 PM
These will not fi tin laptops, they are too tall. They are ****ty ass drives for servers too, the signal quality is horrible. And either way, anyone who would put a SATA drive in a mission critical server is an idiot, they make SAS drives for a reason.
gsrcrxsi
07-24-08, 04:28 PM
SATA is SATA, for laptops or desktops. the power and data connections are exactly the same
nightelph
07-24-08, 04:33 PM
They are ****ty ass drives for servers too, the signal quality is horrible. And either way, anyone who would put a SATA drive in a mission critical server is an idiot, they make SAS drives for a reason.
+1
Aside from the specs announcement, I overlooked the 'Enterprise application' and started thinking about putting them in a laptop. :)
I'm confused as to why this is a big deal or surprising to anyone...Isn't the desktop 3.5" velociraptor just a 2.5" drive mounted in a custom 3.5" frame? So all they have to do is sell the drive without the frame?
nightelph
07-24-08, 04:54 PM
I believe the big deal is that the drive no longer needs that giant cooler, the thing can run on its own.
The connections will work for laptops. As stated before by others, they are the same and look to have the same offset. This would make them compatible other than the height. Some laptops have optical bays, that these could be used in, by using a second HDD adapter, but you lose the optical drive. A larger concern for me would be the less strenuous standards that nonlaptop drives are subject. I doubt that these drives woud pass the classical labs that laptop drives are subject to, operational shock and vibration, thermal, environmental, fragility. They almost certainly will not pass the FCC EMC standards, not a great deal of concern there, but just another factor. They also will not conform to specs for any of the active hard drive protection accelerometer/software protections. If it works, it would be a fun toy, but not something I would take on the road. I'd feel nervous just moving it around while operational.
The connections will work for laptops. As stated before by others, they are the same and look to have the same offset. This would make them compatible other than the height. Some laptops have optical bays, that these could be used in, by using a second HDD adapter, but you lose the optical drive. A larger concern for me would be the less strenuous standards that nonlaptop drives are subject. I doubt that these drives woud pass the classical labs that laptop drives are subject to, operational shock and vibration, thermal, environmental, fragility. They almost certainly will not pass the FCC EMC standards, not a great deal of concern there, but just another factor. They also will not conform to specs for any of the active hard drive protection accelerometer/software protections. If it works, it would be a fun toy, but not something I would take on the road. I'd feel nervous just moving it around while operational.
If Im understanding this correctly then they are only 2.5 mm taller? My dv2000 would still support this then because the pocket for the drive bows out ~3mm or so for ventilation. Again to like I said hacking some stuff away wouldn't bother me. Ive already done it to add in SMA connectors and some other stuff.
If the drive is that sensitive to movement that would bother me a little. But again as I said my laptop is almost always stationary except when off and transporting it to work. I dont play with it in the car or anything like that. I only have a laptop to use it on the couch, table, whatever in my house due to space constraints for another desktop.
I would have to agree though using this in an enterprise solution would be rather stupid. Your looking more for reliability then speed in that application. Dont a lot of enterprise hdd's meet or come close to the raptors performance as is anyway?
nightelph
07-25-08, 06:38 AM
All our drives here are 10K or 15K scsi drives.
Rich'[ard]
07-25-08, 07:28 AM
i thought the Velociraptor was a 2.5" drive, but it had the optional 3.5" casing.
don't tell me this came out in Australia before USA?! lol
The connections will work for laptops. As stated before by others, they are the same and look to have the same offset. This would make them compatible other than the height. Some laptops have optical bays, that these could be used in, by using a second HDD adapter, but you lose the optical drive. A larger concern for me would be the less strenuous standards that nonlaptop drives are subject. I doubt that these drives woud pass the classical labs that laptop drives are subject to, operational shock and vibration, thermal, environmental, fragility. They almost certainly will not pass the FCC EMC standards, not a great deal of concern there, but just another factor. They also will not conform to specs for any of the active hard drive protection accelerometer/software protections. If it works, it would be a fun toy, but not something I would take on the road. I'd feel nervous just moving it around while operational.
Laptops have SATA power and data connections? Thats whats on the back of the VR, so unless they have those, how is it going to plug in? Any adapter thats needed, just makes it longer.
Xenocide
07-25-08, 09:09 AM
I believe the big deal is that the drive no longer needs that giant cooler, the thing can run on its own.
um. No. :screwy:
If you put it in a laptop i would not be surprised if you melted the plastic, in a desktop it would probably overheat without a fan blowing directly on it, even if it was idling.
It needs some crazy airflow, these thinks will cook if you don't have them with lots and lots of air flowing over them. (hence why they are being slated for enterprise applications)
nightelph
07-25-08, 09:14 AM
OK. So despite the lower power consumption, its still a tiny nuclear reactor. Enterprise rigs already have awesome cooling so these things are definitely not going in a laptop. The assumption I made when reading the news Post: lower power consumption, no cooler- they must have fixed it up so it can run on its own. Wrong. Thanks for the correction Xenocide.
Xenocide
07-25-08, 09:30 AM
It might have lower power consumption, but anything spinning at 10k rpms is going to be hot, especially if its in a small package.
There is NOWAY this drive is meant for laptops and I highly doubt you will see anyone put one into a laptop. Even with the HS and a 120mm fan blowing over it mine is 30c. Can you imagine that in a laptop with NO HS and NO fan? Its not possible..
Laptops have SATA power and data connections? Thats whats on the back of the VR, so unless they have those, how is it going to plug in? Any adapter thats needed, just makes it longer.
Uh... yes? What rock do you live under? I've messed with some HP/Compaq/Dell's and in most cases there is a proprietary connector... but you can just pop the adapter off the hard drive that came with the machine and put it on any other hard drive, including this one that has the same interface as a typical sata drive. They don't make proprietary drive interfaces lol, just little clips that go on the SATA standard.
Uh... yes? What rock do you live under? I've messed with some HP/Compaq/Dell's and in most cases there is a proprietary connector... but you can just pop the adapter off the hard drive that came with the machine and put it on any other hard drive, including this one that has the same interface as a typical sata drive. They don't make proprietary drive interfaces lol, just little clips that go on the SATA standard.
News to me. Never seen SATA connectors on any laptops we purchase from Dell or HP..
News to me. Never seen SATA connectors on any laptops we purchase from Dell or HP..
Just take the drive out and look at the interface... I'll bet you it pops right off the reveal some SATA.
Just take the drive out and look at the interface... I'll bet you it pops right off the reveal some SATA.
They are all ATA
Xenocide
07-25-08, 10:00 AM
They are all ATA
then you are dealing with some old laptops......:rolleyes:
then you are dealing with some old laptops......:rolleyes:
Not that old. Less than 1.5 years..
It might have lower power consumption, but anything spinning at 10k rpms is going to be hot, especially if its in a small package.
Interesting, the design must be pretty bad for them to be that hot. I have some 10K Savvios that run cooler than 7.2K laptop drives.
Interesting, the design must be pretty bad for them to be that hot. I have some 10K Savvios that run cooler than 7.2K laptop drives.
I never did understand why these drives get so hot, or hard drives in general. Don't most Dremel Drills run ~15,000 rpm? The bunch that I have used have gotten warm but only warm and no where near uncomfortable to use. The motors in dremel drills from my understanding are pretty similar to the ones used in hard drives.
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