clocking

[Sagarito]

Hello,
I don't know if this is appropriate to ask, but I am needing some help setting the proper clocking for my processor.

I have a Pentium3 900 mgz with two memory sticks, 133mgz of 128megs each.

I was in my BIOS settings awhile ago and hit the "load optimal defaults" option, re-started and it set my "frequency/voltage control" on to default. Thus, causing Windows98se to crash with all kinds of crazy error messages.

I tried different options in the "cpu host/sdram/pci clock" menu and was able to get the computer to work with the option set at 95/95/33. But now my processor is running at 855mgz. I was wondering what is the proper setting to get it running back at 900mgz? Here is what I am looking at under "frequency/voltage control"

AUTO DETECT DIMM/PCI CLOCK-enabled

SPREAD SPECTRUM-disabled

CPU HOST/SDRAM/PCI CLOCK-95/95/33 mgz
(other options include 100/100/33, 133/100/33mgz, 100/133/33mgz, etc.)

CPU CLOCK RATIO JUMPLESS-by H/W
(other options include x3.0, x3.5, x4.0, etc.) I have no idea what the "by H/W" stands for.

Ok, I have tried to include everything I can think of. If anyone can help me with this or at least point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

P.S.
Other forums get weird on you if you ask about clocking a processor, so I really hope this is OK to ask.

[Newbie_Doo]

Welcome to the forums. I am moving this to the Memory section, where it will receive the appropriate attention.

N_D

[Wa11y]

Welcome to the Forums.

One thing we really like is when people post in the right section. But you're new here, so we'll play nice.

[Newbie_Doo]

Oops, Intel CPUs would be better...

[saytan]

Originally posted by Sagarito


CPU HOST/SDRAM/PCI CLOCK-95/95/33 mgz
(other options include 100/100/33, 133/100/33mgz, 100/133/33mgz, etc.)




100/133/33 or 100/100/33 will see you back to 900mhz


the first of those two will be a little quicker but isnt always stable

[Yodums]

Your going to have to go back to the menu and set it so your using 100fsb and a 9 multiplier and use the default core to go back to default speeds.

[Sagarito]

Thanks Yodums,

Sorry I didn't answer right away but I dove right in when I got new suggestions. It took me a few hours to figure out fbs and how to adjust it. I downloaded one of those fbs programs and when I went to use it, I got scary messages saying this or that could damage my system. So I read your message again, went back in to BIOS and fixed it!!! Thank you so much!

[Yodums]

No problemo, those programs will give you alot of those:

'Changing your fsb can heavily damage your chip, and were not held responsible for it yatta yatta'

Point is you fixed it and everything is how you want it!

[Sagarito]

Hi Yodums,
OK, I spoke way to soon, the next time i re-started, same error
problems. What exactly do you mean to use the "default core"? I tried using the reset button in BIOS, that didn't work, i tried using the reset jumper on the motherboard, that didn't work either. Am I misunderstanding "default core"? There has to be a way to bring this thing back up to 900mghz, because that's the way it was when I bought it.

You know, this is a drag, I don't even notice that it's running slower until I play my favorite game. Otherwise I wouldn't even be sweating it.

Thanks in advance.

[Yodums]

Give us your 'User Define' menu with the FSB and stuff.
Default core means the default voltage your chip runs at...

[Sagarito]

ok, I was thinking that the "CPU HOST/SDRAM/PCI CLOCK" menu had the fsb option, "CPU HOST" meaning fsb. I'll look around some more. As far as I know, the voltage settings are untouchable. The BIOS won't let you change them and the only jumpers on this motherboard are for re-setting and disabeling the onboard sound card.

[deez]

what motherboard are you using and have you read the manual?

Are you hitting F10 then Y to save your bios changes before exiting?---(in just about every board F10 is the save command)

Do you have something in the bios main menu that says load default settings or load optimal settings?--or reset bios to defaults...if so this should fix any problems

[Sagarito]

Hi Dees,
I have a procomp-BS1TM motherboard with the SIS chipset. I have tried to do what you have suggested, several times. I have an Award modular BIOS ver.6. I have also read the manual several times. The manual IDs some jumper settings that you can adjust the CPU/MEMORY clock with, one problem though, they don't exist on my motherboard and I am reading the correct manual for my motherboard manual.

I D/Led and installed that Sandra software and it's telling me that my FSB is running at 133.

I went to my motherboard maker's webpage, but it's all in chinese. I did e-mail support and asked them the same question that I have posted here. They haven't answered yet.

I bought this motherboard and processor seperatly, but from the same company, they knew I was putting this P3 in it and it worked great till I monkeyed with the BIOS that fateful day.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, I guess if I hang out here long enough, maybe I'll finally get the solution.

[Yodums]

Give us your exact menu, and we'll try to give you the exact setting.

[deez]

Is your board working when set to 100/100/33 ????

Did you change any settings for memory timing or cas latency?
Make sure your cas latency is set for cas3 mode rather than cas2 unless you are positive you have that type of memory.

[takiwa]

Sandra can't be trusted on that 133FSB reading...that would mean your CPU's at a 6.5 multiplier, instead of 9, which is impossible for an Intel. Run a program like WCPUID, or CPU-Z, to determine what you present settings are, then we can maybe tell you what to change to get back to normal...

[Sagarito]

HI Yodums,

I am in "frequency/voltage control"

The first option is "auto detect" dimm/pci clock-this is enabled

The second option is "spread spectrum"- this is disabled

the third option is "cpu host/sdram/pci clock", you can choose from the following:
66/100/33mgz-computer won't boot
100/100/33mgz-runs at first, but computer quickly crashes
100/133/33mgz-runs at first, but computer quickly crashes
133/100/33mgz-computer won't boot
66/66/33mgz-computer won't boot
83/83/33mgz-computer won't boot
90/90/33mgz-runs but only at 810mgz or something
95/95/33mgz-runs at 855mgz

the fourth and final option is an option called "cpu clock ratio jumpless", it has the following settings:
Default by HxW-----this is what it's set at now..default by HxW
x3.0
x3.5
x4.0
x4.5
x5.0
x5.5
x6.0
x6.5
x7.0
x7.5
x8.0
I suspect this "cpu clock ratio jumpless" option explains the absence of the jumpers on my motherboard...I have no idea what it should be set at. The motherboard manual says nothing about it as well as Award's website.

[Sagarito]

HI Dees,
I went in and checked the cas latency and it was set on "spd"..it had two other options, 2T and 3T...i tried them both with the 100/100/33 setting...same error messages...i will have to get back to you on the timing thing.

[Sagarito]

Hi Takiwa,
Thanks for the info!!

[deez]

Sagarito...is your heatsink installed properly on your CPU? has it ever been removed since the initial installation? If so this may be causing your stability problem.

Also do you have manual settings for your AGP divisor. 100 FSB it should be set to 2/3

[Sagarito]

Hi Deez,
I haven't touched the heatsink or processor since my friend put it in a little under a year ago. This whole mess started when I hit the "load optimal defaults" option. If I would have just been a little patient and stopped right there, I could have used the option to set it back to how the distrubuter had it, too late for that though. If I had only known.

This AGP divisor..is there another name that could be called? The closest thing I could find was the AGP Aperture setting and it's set at 64mgs. It goes from 4 all the way up to 256mgs.

Thanks for putting up with me guys!!

[takiwa]

set your agp to 128, and you should be fine...also, the cpu clock ratio settings won't help you because the multiplier is locked on your intel chip. I almost want to say that somehow you screwed your RAM timing up when you went back to default...you may even have a stick going bad on you. Have you tried any other RAM in the computer? If you have some spare sticks laying around, put them in and see what happens. Also, you have a setting for default BIOS settings...do you have one for optimal settings? Have you tried that?

[Yodums]

Perhaps did you disable speed hold error?

Reset the CMOS at first.

Then set it so its: 100/100/33

Your CPU Ratio which is your multiplier should be: 9

This will total it out to 900mhz.

And before this you should have reset the cmos so everything should be back to normal but the CPU frequency itself.

[Sagarito]

Hi takiwa,

It was setting the BIOS to "optimal defaults" option that got me in this mess in the first place. I suspected I had a bad memory stick so i went out and got two brand new ones 128 mgs each. The new ones didn't fix my problem and putting the old one back in didn't either. I made sure they were seated also.

I have also loaded the "fail safe" defaults, that didn't solve the problem either.

I get kernell.dll, hstml, and blue screen errors in VXD when I set my system to 100/100/33

Does this sound like it could be memory problems?

[Sagarito]

HI Yodums,
I have tried that a couple of times. resetting cmos and then setting 100/100/33

Is there another name this "speed hold error" could be called?

[Yodums]

It doesn't sound like memory.

But you must be in Win'98 right?
Well I guess your using the user define option so speed hold error should be disabled.

Can you reformat?

[takiwa]

good answer Yodums...

with kernel and VxD errors, you are delving into the field of OS problems...maybe when you set your BIOS to optimal, it wrote the info to the config file used on start-up (which was the wrong system config info)...and now you can't get back in to change it. A format and/or re-install might be in the works for you, my friend... :(

[Sagarito]

Hi Yodums, Takiwa,

So I should set everything they way I am supposed to in BIOS (god knows I know how to do that by now)
100/100/33 (or is it 100/133/33 since i have the 133mgz memory sticks?)

Get the bios settings right, re-format and re-install?

[takiwa]

yes...set the BIOS settings for the way you have your system set up right now...cpu timing, mem timing...so it would be 100/133/33...either use fdisk to re-format, or go to www.ranish.com and download partition manager (I just like that one...). Format, then do a clean install at those settings. Everything should be gravy after that! :D

[Sagarito]

Hi Yodums,
Well, I did what you said and Windows would not install, it would get to the point of detecting my hardware and it would crash, blue screens, this dll file couldn't be called, that dll file couldn't be called, bla bla bla. I tried installing five times under several different settings,so I set it back to 95/95/33 and it installed without a hitch. I couldn't believe it. So I guess this is it, I am throwing in the towel and taking it to the experts. I considered flashing, but there is no reason in the world why I would need to do that, this system was set at 900mgz at one time, there has to be a way to do it again.

Just wanted to Thank All for offering me suggestions Esp. Yodums and Takiwa, I have learned so much here and really appreciate your patience. I'll be around though, I like this place.
Sagarito

[Yodums]

Hmmm, this is a very weird situation.

Your board should be accepting the 100/100/33 because that is default on how all boards run on the coppermine core.

Well I tried my best to help you.
The 95fsb won't decrease any performance that is noticeable with the 100fsb.

Yodums