GRR this Xp1600+ is having problems being unlocked...

[slick306]

So anyway, I want to unlock my xp, I go to the hardware store and bought the defogger repair kit. I tried my first time, took me like two hours at least!! I filled the gap with nail polish did everything, it all looked good, I booted it up and hled my breath and then I hear the monitor go pzzzzum. Yes it still works!!. So I go to the bios, the only multipliers that work are 7, 8.5, and 11x??? I am clueless as to why this is happening, I have re done it about 8 times and I always get the same result it boots up as an XP1700+ but I mean I want 2000+. Anyone know why this is?

Oh yah, all my defogger solution is almost used up, thats how many times I have tried it, hehe...


Slick.

[CraxySerge]

My Athlon did the exact same thing, I tried unlocking it with circuit repair solution so many times, then once I made a sloppy connection that must have shorted out the cpu, now i'm saving up for a new one. This blows. be carefull, sorry that i didnt have the answer to your question.

[Silver]

Originally posted by CraxySerge
My Athlon did the exact same thing, I tried unlocking it with circuit repair solution so many times, then once I made a sloppy connection that must have shorted out the cpu, now i'm saving up for a new one. This blows. be carefull, sorry that i didnt have the answer to your question.

Pay attention here and absolutely do not put the cpu in without being absolutely certain you have not crossed any bridges. It really is disheartening to have this happen and I feel for this guy. I did not use super glue but 5 minute epoxy instead. Taped the bridges then epoxied. Blew it the first time and used acetone to remove all traces of defogger and epoxy and started over. The defogger paint does not stick real well to either the chip or the epoxy so when I was sure I had the bridges connected correctly I retaped over the area and epoxied again, thus insuring that no connections are removed as a result of airflow, etc. I was more afraid that a piece of paint would flake and come in contact with another bridge, thus shorting out all. :)

[Myself and I]

I blew my 1800xp and now i feel its not worth overclock to much risk cpus are cheap!!!!

[DJ2000]

The key to unlocking a CPU is to make a circuit that is not shorted and completely connected. 1 of these two requirements are not being met with your Unlock attempt.
I know people have used the defogger kit however I wouldn't use it unless I tested it first. What do I mean about testing it first? Well, the tracing you make with a defogger must be tested on a multimeter for resistance. Whatever material you use for connecting the bridges must have virtually ZERO resistance. This is measured in Ohms. CircuitWorks conductive ink, the material I used to unlock my 1600+, test ZERO on the multimeter.
Another tip. Make sure you have cleaned the surface of the POSTS, these are the little circular tracings that you are connecting. They can get coated during the laser burn which can make them less conductive. One thing I did before I connected the bridges was to thoroughly clean the surface and then with a very sharp tip of a pin, gently move the tip of the pin back and forth across the surface of the curcular trace thus ensuring exposed fresh metal for a clean contact with the conductive ink.

Good Luck and be careful!!!

[Myself and I]

Still not worth it

[DJ2000]

Sorry I disagree. If you do you homework correctly and understand what you are doing it is an easy thing to do. Problem is, the large percentage of posts I read are from people who are trying to OC and don't even understand the concept let alone have the knowhow of electronics to perform such easy circuit work, don't know how to flash a BIOS correctly, use cheap RAM and cheap Power supplies, cheap cooling, and then try to OC and when it doesn't work, they can't figure out why??. DO YOUR HOMEWORK before attemping OCing. How 'bout the guy who forgot to attach the HSF to his chip and fried it instantly and now wants to RMA it. GOOD LUCK with that one. My XP1600+, purchased for $110.00 runs flawlessly at ANY multiplier and ANY FSB and is currently running solid at 12.5 X 133=1667 which is a 2000+ XP which is selling for $326.00 on Pricewatch. Hmmmm..... I feel sorry for the poor people that have to pay $226.00 more than I did for the exact same piece of silicon. Marketing ripoff. That blows!!
If you read this forum you should know to never buy a high end chip.

[Myself and I]

Well i paid 350 for mine xp2000+ and will just raise the fsb alittle to get 1850 mhz can you beat that?

[Silver]

Originally posted by Myself and I
Well i paid 350 for mine xp2000+ and will just raise the fsb alittle to get 1850 mhz can you beat that?

I can't beat 1850 and that is for sure. T-bird 1.4 at $105, xp2000 at 350. Lets see 3.33 times the cost and 76 MHZ more. Great buy......Only wish I made the money you do.

If you are here to learn of overclocking then I would listen to what the guys have to say. Many parts and mucho dinero has gone into learning these things.

[FRANK]

Originally posted by Myself and I
Well i paid 350 for mine xp2000+ and will just raise the fsb alittle to get 1850 mhz can you beat that?

I'll take two XP1600s @ 1.64, for $115 each thank you.

Seriously though,

As stated above in a previous post, you stand to save a considerable amout of money by overclocking a not so curent CPU to the latest specs.

My advise, Pay attention to what's going on in here. After all this is "OVERCLOCKERS.COM" isn't it?

Good Luck!

[Myself and I]

I like my xp2000+ thanks you and i will raise the fsb to 147 to give a nice 1800mhz
ill take that for 300 bucks

[Alex99]

Everyone has different views. People who spend a lot of time to bridge L1's, volt mods, etc... probably do it for 2 basic reasons:

1. To save $$ by buying a cheaper CPU and pushing it to the performance level of pricier ones.

2. Just for the challenge and the gratification from it, maybe?

I myself thought about bridging the L1's many times. But I know that my CPU WILL not run stable higher then 1650 Mhz with air cool. And I know my memory WILL not run faster then 153 FSB at CAS2/4-banks/etc.. So the only reason for me to bridge my L1's would be to run my FSB at 165 with multiplier of 10, but at CAS2.5, and all the conservative settings on my RAM. This I won't do, because I get better memory scores at what I have now.

What I don't understand is why do people try so hard to save some $ by buying a slower CPU , but then spend $$$$$$$ to buy some water cooling rig, just to get to the speed of a CPU that they could attain easily by buying the higher speed CPU with normal air cool heatsink.

[Silver]

Originally posted by Myself and I
I like my xp2000+ thanks you and i will raise the fsb to 147 to give a nice 1800mhz
ill take that for 300 bucks

Your talking what 25 mhz for an additional $250?

[Silver]

What I don't understand is why do people try so hard to save some $ by buying a slower CPU , but then spend $$$$$$$ to buy some water cooling rig, just to get to the speed of a CPU that they could attain easily by buying the higher speed CPU with normal air cool heatsink. [/B][/QUOTE]

Rig is already in place so the only cost then is the chip. It is just that this is an overclocker site and no problem for those that want to cruise but when someone asks for advice on overclocking to say don't bother does not help him/her. Probably end up doing something they heard about and frying all. Generally the attitude of the people here is pushing the limits from a little to alot (personality dependant).

[The Coolest]

XP 2000+ runs at 1.67GHz that means a 270MHz difference betwin it & T-Bird 1.4! But still I don't think that the difference worth it. The thing is getting an older CPU OCing it to current specs, but then it goes out of date again. U buy a current CPU OC it u r byond the current and when the time come u r just as a current CPU.

[Silver]

When I bought mine the xp1700 to 2000 were not available not to mention my inability to come up with another 250 or so. Kind of like having a fast VW because I just can't afford a Porshe.:)

[Myself and I]

You would need to achieve 2000mhz on your tbird 1.4 to beat my athlon xp 2000+ stock lol

[deathstar13]

i just thought id put my $2 opionion in also.
my 1600 runs great @ whats listed in my signiture. and i have to agree with th guy with the 1.4 athlon . i didnt build my computer to make it the fastest. i built it to test my ability to have good equipment and at the most reasonable cost.and above all have fun with it.

granted i did buy a gf3ti500 but i couldnt help it when i saw it all alone and the last one in the store , and knowing i cant find em anywhere.

and yeh ill be upgrading my cpu in the next 6 months. but i wont be buying a $350 cpu either. prolly a nice 1900 @$150

and id be well sure id let the guy with the 1.4 work on my puter(he thinks like i do) than a guy who just wants bragging rights for spending alot of cash.

[Silver]

Originally posted by Myself and I
Well i paid 350 for mine xp2000+ and will just raise the fsb alittle to get 1850 mhz can you beat that?

Yeah and when I upgrade it won't be the newest chip (manual labor you know) and spend ohhhh $150 or so while you can spend another 350 for the latest. Geezzzz, lord give me the wisdom to make more money.:D

[Angry]

Overclocking can be a low cost hobbie, and it can be a very high cost hobbie, as said its personality dependent.
Most of us work hard for our setups, and most of the time it pays off, rarely it doesnt.
My goal right now is to have 4 systems built by mid summer, or end. Athlon XP, 1.2gig Duron, 1.2 Athlon Tbird, and not going to mention the last one...its intel, going to see what intel is like though it will be a p3 setup. P4=to much mula.
Im currently saveing up for the 1.2 tbird as I fried my 1.0 AXIA core, Its on layaway I still owe 30 more bucks on the sucker.

[shadowdr]

anyway slick the defogger paint imo isn't the best for the texture or the size of the xp.i,like you tried it many times eventually destroying the surrounding surface.the problem seems to be that the defogger paint is to thin (might seep through)and dries to quickly.my xp wouldn't even boot when unlocked period,but it may be that my rev 1.0 will not run an unlocked xp due to hardware differences of the other revisions.well the chip still runs and is very stable with all enhancements at cas2 4 way but i did have to change agp driving value.

i have read about a conductive pen that might work as well as another coductive paint at another site,the site eludes me now but they are the ones who have the unlocking video.

my only option now is pc 150 which aint cheap.
long live ceramic chips!

[slick306]

Yeah, I got a conductive pen yesterday, it has silver in it. I hope this works, I am trying it right now

[Silver]

Originally posted by Myself and I
You would need to achieve 2000mhz on your tbird 1.4 to beat my athlon xp 2000+ stock lol

That ai'nt the way AMD, review testing, my testing or real life sees it but what the heck I'll play. Lets see...you have to get to ohhh 3.0 to beat my overclocked 8088.:D

I just was'nt into computers when the 8086s came into being but that first rat shack computer...ahhh and that first BIG 10 meg hard drive, had one of the first dual cdroms in Phoenix on a bbs (Echo BBS), two phone lines, three computers )networked, boy was I fast then...hehehehehe and 300 baud to boot. We did'nt have pictures in those days..you downloaded them. Ansi/Ascii and that was'nt that long ago. Yep can't afford the new stuff as it will loose what $50.00 a month or better. And not overclocked ooooooo that hurts. New processor in a couple of months.:D

[Silver]

Originally posted by Angry
Overclocking can be a low cost hobbie, and it can be a very high cost hobbie, as said its personality dependent.
Most of us work hard for our setups, and most of the time it pays off, rarely it doesnt.
My goal right now is to have 4 systems built by mid summer, or end. Athlon XP, 1.2gig Duron, 1.2 Athlon Tbird, and not going to mention the last one...its intel, going to see what intel is like though it will be a p3 setup. P4=to much mula.
Im currently saveing up for the 1.2 tbird as I fried my 1.0 AXIA core, Its on layaway I still owe 30 more bucks on the sucker.

Good for you. I almost bought a Duron 1.0 to play with and use as a back up but decided to get the xp1600 instead. Should have got the Duron both my guts and my wife tell me.:D

[Silver]

Yeah, under a 5x magnifying glass I can see the defogger caking up and actually come off in flakes. I kind of dabbed it on and once it was on I taped off all of the jumped L1 bridges and laid down a coat of 5 minute epoxy in order to insure the paint did not come off while running.

[Boilerhead]

There's no question that OC is a useful way to save money in the lower/mid range of equipment.

There's no question that a lot of us get some serious jollies out of eeking just a couple more mhz/3dmarks/mips/'MB/s' or any more performance than we had just because we can.

OC is different things to different ppl, but the objective is the same, more performance at any level via whatever means are at hand.

I have a 1900+ new in the package which has been waiting to go in the new box which I have had up and running for 5 days now. I'm not in a big hurry to slap it in because I am having a ball screwing around with the TBird 1.4, DDR and cooling. I know I'll get a couple of hundred mhz and 3dmarks more out of the 1900+, but working for the last few of them out of the TBird is FUN.

I have all the parts to vmod, vmem, vio and unlock, but I haven't hit the wall with the stock KR7A-R, TBird and cooling yet so I figure why jump the gun and never know what was really possible without it?

Man, you should have seen my face when I came down the next morning and found that Prime was still going at 8x200 on the 1.4
:D

For me, OC means lots of smiles when I find another ounce of performance I had missed before, especially when I had thought there wasn't any more left to find.

Yeah I toasted some nice stuph and flushed some fairly serious $$ down the terlet, but I DID have fun doing it, I knew it could happen and life goes on. This is one of my primary hobbies atm and if it costs me a few bux it's money well spent.

If someone is overy worried about smoking their only CPU then don't push the outside of the envelope until you know you can buy another if you have to. Simple as that.

It's like anything else in life, you have to pay your dues. Buying fast junk out of the box and changing the FSB or multiplier might technically be overclocking, but to me OC is more than that. It's using your head and your own two hands to make something able to grind out more work than it was ultimately capable of doing before through your own knowledge, ingenuity and manual labor. I think lapping is fun and if it gets me a couple more degrees of cooling then I feel the satisfaction of a job well done. If I can get another 25 or 50 mhz out of potting the mobo chips then the worrying about frying it, the research put into it and the effort of doing it will all have been worth it. The same goes for unlocking the 1900+. I've never bridged CPU traces before and I'm praying the bottle of Nickel pc trace paint I have will be fine enough to do it so I don't have to wait for a trace pen. I'm not the least bit afraid of frying it, I model trains in N scale where a locomotive is the size of your index finger :P

In the 5 days this box has been up I have increased the performance in some way every day, maybe not a big jump, but it has been a faster machine at the end of each day and I hope to continue on that path for a while, there's still plenty left to do to it and I am absolutely having a ball with it.

When the TBird is out of steam the 1900+ goes in. When the locked 1900+ is out of steam the freshly lapped TBird will go back in with the mobo vmodded. When that hits the wall the newly lapped and unlocked 1900+ will go in. When I am at the end of the road with that I plan on starting the Xtreme cooling experiments. When I am as far as is practical with that it will be time to start over with a Tbred rig.

This is such a great hobby!

Henry

[shadowdr]

my kinda guy boilerhead,i couldn't have said it better myself.lets not forget the endless hours of trying ever driver combo and every bios update throwing caution to the wind.everyone said an xp would'nt run in a kt7ar rev 1.0 but i knew it could.and i did it without sacrificing performance.it takes a mountain or reading surfing and trying but its fun to say here you go,look at mine.

[slick306]

Yep, I am in University now, but I still live at home. Being a student I am completely broke, but when I need a new part I go ask Mom, cause she can usually help me out. I have been 'tweaking' computers since the days of the 486 : ). When Mom complains that some computer parts costs to much I just tell her, "Well, I can always find a new hobby, I know lots of people at school who are into this thing called "drugs" and they said I can participate whenever I want." Hehe, kept me outa trouble, except well, the bottle :) cheers!

[Silver]

On the nose Boilerhead (?). Personal entertainment expenses this year for me have been the computer and has run about $600. I am married with 10 children, 4 of which are still with me at home. There isn't alot of money but the enjoyment I recieve from it is great. Most the married guys I know are at home on the weekend and toasted by the days end. Me I'm modifying hardware, software, testing and crying on occasion. Love it and my wife likes me home and sober. After all, about three rounds of golf will get a Gf3 ti200 and I know I can get several months out of it.

Btw I burned a cpu a while back and I vividly remember being unable to play or get out to this and other sites. I will always have a spare around, even a 750 duron if that is what I can afford. I wanted to play with this xp1600 but as soon as the shuttle gets back the 1.4 T-bird is back in. Xp is relacated to back up.:)

[Silver]

Originally posted by Myself and I
I blew my 1800xp and now i feel its not worth overclock to much risk cpus are cheap!!!!

Now you can't raise the FSB to get 1850, that would be overclocking by most anyones definition.:confused:

One more thing,looked around ALOT on this today and the overhead to xp2000 (1.66) is about 19.5%. The T-bird 1.4 was the base line used by AMD for the xps. About 2% of that is Microsoft enhance for the new core. This of course is in overall desktop performance. They realize that the consumer is'nt as interested in the true performance as they are in the "feel". Thus some revisions to take advantage of Windows revision 7.0 Media Encoder. So, you are right, the T-bird will have to do 1.4x1.2=1680 to play with the xp2000. This it can do rather easily. Now 1850 is another story.:)

Oh, the xp2000 (as reported by AMD) is 12% faster in overall desktop performance when compared to the Pentium 4 2.0.