why dosent nvidia bring out 9800gx4, or9800gx8

[nsgnsg]

I mean, im sure some people would pay over a grand for those!!

come to think of it, a gx8 would prob be bigger then an antec9 1200, but they should be able to make a decent sized gx4!!

i mean for people like me, who have and onl buy nune sli mobos cause they want to oc like crazy, it would be great!!

i currently have a 8800gt, and i really won't upgreade unless their is a huge gain, and i dont really see it in the gx2!!


who thinks a 9800gx4 would sell well???


it would max out crisis, and the next best thing at the same time!!!

[BossBorot]

Its not as simple as gluing more and more gpus to a pcb. For every gpu you need more memory traces and other components that take up a lot of pcb space. Basically four gpus on one card would require tons of traces and thus more layers on a pcb. Eventually you would end up with either a really long gfx card or one with to many layers. Either way it is horribly complex and horribly expensive. If it was made long it would be hard to run the traces all the way around the card and if it used tons of layers the pcb would cost an insane ammount to manufature.

Also the gains from going from one gpu to two nets a very small market share in and of itself. After that gains begin to top out as you add more gpus. Basically there isnt enough market share to justify making such a card so few people would even consider.

Not only would it take engineers ages to design but even if they succeeded without going insane and shooting their boss it wouldnt net enough money to justify R&D costs

On top of that most users would run into to many issues such as how to power the cards as well as cool them. Also most people would horribly bottleneck 4 gpus

If we are to eventually see multiple gpu dyes on a card as the norm it would require small ATi style chips with lower busses also of ATi stye and a lower thermal evelope then either company currently has. Gddr5 makes up for most of the disadvantages of going 256bit bus instead of 320bit, 384bit, 512bit buses on single card anyways. If you put 2+ gpus on the same card repeating large busses is not feasable at all. There are other barriers to interconnecting multiple dyes currently as well so dont expect to see something with tons of chips on it for a few more generations but at this rate if anyone will pull it off its ATi. Their small, simple, cheap to manufature, and low power aims are what is needed for something of this style to eventually work.

[nsgnsg]

Its not as simple as gluing more and more gpus to a pcb. For every gpu you need more memory traces and other components that take up a lot of pcb space. Basically four gpus on one card would require tons of traces and thus more layers on a pcb. Eventually you would end up with either a really long gfx card or one with to many layers. Either way it is horribly complex and horribly expensive. If it was made long it would be hard to run the traces all the way around the card and if it used tons of layers the pcb would cost an insane ammount to manufature.

Also the gains from going from one gpu to two nets a very small market share in and of itself. After that gains begin to top out as you add more gpus. Basically there isnt enough market share to justify making such a card so few people would even consider.

Not only would it take engineers ages to design but even if they succeeded without going insane and shooting their boss it wouldnt net enough money to justify R&D costs

On top of that most users would run into to many issues such as how to power the cards as well as cool them. Also most people would horribly bottleneck 4 gpus

their is a verry simple solution for the cooling part... ship it with an thermalright heatsink!!!


it ill run really cool that way!!

[BossBorot]

which will make it cost at least a hundred dollars more just for heatsinks

BTW thermalrights current solution for the 9800gx2 is hardly acceptable to most end users the darn thing takes up four slots without fans and around 6 with fans
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7669/24684034kf0.jpg

A video card with 3 or more gpus on a pcb wont be viable till it can be made reatively cheaply, not draw tons of power, and have no more then two slot cooling

sure they could make one but there is no real reason to do so

[Shiggity]

Simply put, manufactering / designing / getting OEMs to carry it would be too hard and unprofitable.

lol @ that pic, that card wouldn't even fit in my case

[rainless]

I mean, im sure some people would pay over a grand for those!!

come to think of it, a gx8 would prob be bigger then an antec9 1200, but they should be able to make a decent sized gx4!!

i mean for people like me, who have and onl buy nune sli mobos cause they want to oc like crazy, it would be great!!

i currently have a 8800gt, and i really won't upgreade unless their is a huge gain, and i dont really see it in the gx2!!


who thinks a 9800gx4 would sell well???


it would max out crisis, and the next best thing at the same time!!!

First of all: You wouldn't actually SEE any "huge increase" by adding another two ot 4 GPUs. Eventually you'd just choke-out the bus. Unless you were running some sort of custom motherboard or video farming system (like they use in dev studios) where you have the graphics being handled by a dozen or so boards at once...

...either the motherboard or windows would tap out.

Second: Even the GX2 is really a niche market. Only people who visit forums like this buy cards like that... it's not much different than people who'll spend $1000 on a rare set of spark plugs, or a Michael Jordan baseball card. So even FEWER people would buy a GX4/GX8 (I'm pretty sure NVIDIA learned their lesson from the 8800 Ultra.)

Finally: There's no such thing as "maxxing out Crysis." Least of all not in the sense that people were eventually able to "Max out" Oblivion.

For all their Hubris... Crysis was just a badly programmed, unoptimized (though extremely fun and kick-ass) game. There was talk (a while ago) about releasing a version that would run smoothly on consoles... Amazing they never thought about releasing a similar version (read: the regular game) for the PC.

Only thing it would take to "max out Crysis"... even with current tech... is a few patches from a dev team that actually knew what they were doing and optimized Crysis to run on Earth Hardware as oppposed to Neptunian Hardware.

[nsgnsg]

which will make it cost at least a hundred dollars more just for heatsinks

BTW thermalrights current solution for the 9800gx2 is hardly acceptable to most end users the darn thing takes up four slots without fans and around 6 with fans
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7669/24684034kf0.jpg

A video card with 3 or more gpus on a pcb wont be viable till it can be made reatively cheaply, not draw tons of power, and have no more then two slot cooling

sure they could make one but there is no real reason to do so


that looks so intence, you have no idea, how cool i find that!!


anyway thermlaright could design one thats ment for dual gpus. just have it sticking out the bottom or just the top, but it attaching to both gpus, they could just make it a little bigget to take care of the heat!!!

[nsgnsg]

First of all: You wouldn't actually SEE any "huge increase" by adding another two ot 4 GPUs. Eventually you'd just choke-out the bus. Unless you were running some sort of custom motherboard or video farming system (like they use in dev studios) where you have the graphics being handled by a dozen or so boards at once...

...either the motherboard or windows would tap out.

Second: Even the GX2 is really a niche market. Only people who visit forums like this buy cards like that... it's not much different than people who'll spend $1000 on a rare set of spark plugs, or a Michael Jordan baseball card. So even FEWER people would buy a GX4/GX8 (I'm pretty sure NVIDIA learned their lesson from the 8800 Ultra.)

Finally: There's no such thing as "maxxing out Crysis." Least of all not in the sense that people were eventually able to "Max out" Oblivion.

For all their Hubris... Crysis was just a badly programmed, unoptimized (though extremely fun and kick-ass) game. There was talk (a while ago) about releasing a version that would run smoothly on consoles... Amazing they never thought about releasing a similar version (read: the regular game) for the PC.

Only thing it would take to "max out Crysis"... even with current tech... is a few patches from a dev team that actually knew what they were doing and optimized Crysis to run on Earth Hardware as oppposed to Neptunian Hardware.


lol....

[BossBorot]

that looks so intence, you have no idea, how cool i find that!!


anyway thermlaright could design one thats ment for dual gpus. just have it sticking out the bottom or just the top, but it attaching to both gpus, they could just make it a little bigget to take care of the heat!!!

If you think thats cool wait till godman gets his 9800gx2 :)

he better do it now or ill look like theinq/fudzilla for saying something in such absolute terms that didnt come to pass.

[Essenar]

It's hard enough seeing a machine with a GX2 on my tech bench. It looks like a freaking airplane blackbox. "Hey man, your system won't load, but I can tell you what went wrong with the engine before you nose-dived."

We don't even like the 4870x2 at our bench. Why? What's the point? Crysis is the only game it can't max out, and I see people with 4870x2's in QuadFirex that are happy about very high settings and getting 30fps.

It's sad too because with these graphic demanding games, usually comes a cult-like following of people that swear it's the greatest game since Diablo. I couldn't sit through 15 minutes of Oblivion even when I had an 8800GTS and had no trouble "bling blinging" it.

I just wish the Crytek developers had intentions of letting us normal humans play this game instead of only catering to the 50 Cent's and Lil Wayne ballers of the PC gaming industry. Can't run it on high? Well you might as well run it on high anyway, you're going to get 20 fps on medium too.