What ram is better than this at 1066mhz?

[OBLIVIONLORD]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289

1066mhz
5-5-5-18 @ 2.1V

I would like to know if there is another alternative than this ram that is either comparable or better at 1066mhz.

Thanks

[18 is # 1]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289
Thanks

All of these should OC better. They are in the order I would choose them.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146789

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146785

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227278

P.S. If you wonder why there are som 800s on there, check my sig. Those go to 1115MHz!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146793

[OBLIVIONLORD]

Outside of the cooling factor of the last 2 before you linked yours... would they really be all that better since they still are all rated at 1066mhz and have about the same timings? 15 vs 18?

[Evilsizer]

15 will be slightly faster but its not going to make a huge difference. DDR2-1066 cas5 is still DDR2-1066 cas5, the difference is just going to be brand preference and warrenty on the ram.

maybe these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

[18 is # 1]

15 will be slightly faster but its not going to make a huge difference. DDR2-1066 cas5 is still DDR2-1066 cas5, the difference is just going to be brand preference and warrenty on the ram.

maybe these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

Dominator and Ascents have fancy cooling spreaders that the claim will increase your OC about 25 MHz. All I can tell you is that my 800 MHZ Ascents are Memtest stable at 1115 and can boot Windows and run SuperPi at 1125MHz. Kinda makes ya wonder what the higher binned chips can do.

[Evilsizer]

well that is not the way i took his post... he asked simply for ram at 1066 not ones that would oc. i have however seen that ram i listed over at xs do ddr2-1100 on stockv.. i could debate that the "extra" cooling hs helps, you would be better off with a fan on top then some fancy looking HS.

this is why i say that, this is a older set DDR2-800 cas4 , with no fancy hs on the ram, just a low cfm fan...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi%201m%20runs/34g1140g.jpg

[OBLIVIONLORD]

Would there be any objections using those G.Skill chips vs the Reapers since they are considerably less for the price and show just about the same specs? I am not expecting to exceed the 500fsb barrier.

[Evilsizer]

well i like gskill after having some HZ's die on me for no reason. the fedex 2day the ram back to me brand new kit. i say Gskill's customer service is up there with OCZ/Mushikn/Corsair, imo. unless something really bad happens like Gskill going out of biz, i may not use any one else for ram.

[18 is # 1]

well that is not the way i took his post... he asked simply for ram at 1066 not ones that would oc.

I'm sorry. I thought this was OC Forum. Please excuse me for misunderstanding that "Best" might mean OCs best.

[18 is # 1]

Would there be any objections using those G.Skill chips vs the Reapers since they are considerably less for the price and show just about the same specs? I am not expecting to exceed the 500fsb barrier.

If we are talking about OCing the best, those that are equal in spec, are not necessarily those that are best. The "Best" are those that are superior at OCing spec. GSkill bins too aggressively to fit that bill. They are a great product, but can't be expected to go over spec with any certainty.

[Evilsizer]

I'm sorry. I thought this was OC Forum. Please excuse me for misunderstanding that "Best" might mean OCs best.

look man drop the attuide, just because this is a overclockers forum. doesnt mean everyone here when they ask a question has to do with ocing. his question was specific, DDR2-1066 with no mention about ocing the ram. he even later said 500mhz was as fast as he is going to go. for that matter he could just buy DDR2-1000 and be just as happy as with DDR2-1066. Its not about the name of the forum but the question being asked by the poster. i stated i took his post differently cause of the way he worded it. no need to get in a tissy over it...

btw double posting is frowned on, that i why they added a multi quote feature. the button that says "quote+", then just click post reply at the bottom when you got all the people you want to quote.

just relax and have a :soda:

[18 is # 1]

I would like to know if there is another alternative than this ram that is either comparable or better at 1066mhz.

Better is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146789
Which will hit 1100 easy at 5-5-5-12 or lower, much lower at 1066.


btw double posting is frowned on, that i why they added a multi quote feature. the button that says "quote+", then just click post reply at the bottom when you got all the people you want to quote.

just relax and have a :soda: I hope this is acceptable and you will forgive my confusion between the name of the forum and it's intent.

drinks his Pepsi although he prefers Diet Coke

I hope I have fulfilled your posting requirements and will no longer infringe upon your attitude ideals.

[Evilsizer]

Better is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146789
Which will hit 1100 easy at 5-5-5-12 or lower.

I hope this is acceptable and you will forgive my confusion between the name of the forum and it's intent.

drinks his Pepsi although he prefers Diet Coke

I hope I have fulfilled your requirements and will no longer infringe upon your attitude ideals.
there are no worries here to me the post just came off a bit snobbish/attitude style. No harm here! these though are not my requirements so dont worry about me. i was just pointing out the double post because the mods see that as post speeding since at 101posts you get in to the classies. if the find people doing that they knock them down in post count or just deny them classies access.

I have seen you other posts and do hope you stay around for a long time!! :thup:
its all about helping people here!! :)

[18 is # 1]

there are no worries here to me the post just came off a bit snobbish/attitude style. No harm here! these though are not my requirements so dont worry about me. i was just pointing out the double post because the mods see that as post speeding since at 101posts you get in to the classies. if the find people doing that they knock them down in post count or just deny them classies access.

I have seen you other posts and do hope you stay around for a long time!! :thup:
its all about helping people here!! :)

Glad to give my 2 cent and hope I'm not offensive. Although I'm new here, I've been at OC.nt and Xsys for a while. I'm glad to bring personal experience and what I've learned elsewhere to the table. Although I'm learning in all areas, I've had alot of experience with RAM.

[OBLIVIONLORD]

I made a thread awhile back and forget all about it however it contained 2 G.Skill ram chips and it didn't occur to me about this till Evilsizer linked his which basically use the same chips which are on these.

5-5-5-15 @ 2.0-2.1v
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145&Tpk=F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ

5-5-5-15 @ 1.8-1.9v
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Both use the same chips therefore I can get the cheaper ones for $70 shipped and simply run them at the stated speeds of the official 1000mhz ones.

As Evilsizer said, I really only need to look for the 1000mhz models since I'm not going to pass the 500mhz barrier. Looks like I found the right chips.

Thanks

[18 is # 1]

You may want to see this to understand why I'm an advocate of higher RAM bandwidth: http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5786377&postcount=8

[OBLIVIONLORD]

If the chips can do the rated spec then it's perfectly fine considering that you aren't buying into false advertisement. If you want to go over spec then that's a different story in quality which I would agree with you on. Corsair and Mushkin do make a more superior chip in the the higher end level however I will be leaning towards either a Q9400 or Q9550 which neither are going to see the light of day at 500fsb.

After that being said, there is still a good amount of headroom within the rated specs on these chips for what I'm looking to do.

[Blazing fire]

You may want to see this to understand why I'm an advocate of higher RAM bandwidth: http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5786377&postcount=8

Nicely done. Just note that the basic (as I would call it) timings are the same. In other words, both were tested at 5-5-5-11 t2, 1070mhz vs 856mhz. I think his main purpose was to prove 4:5 is better than 1:1 on intel systems.

[18 is # 1]

Nicely done. Just note that the basic (as I would call it) timings are the same. In other words, both were tested at 5-5-5-11 t2, 1070mhz vs 856mhz. I think his main purpose was to prove 4:5 is better than 1:1 on intel systems.

Quite so. Also lower timings at reduced bandwdth would reduce performance.
In other words... for greatest performance, OC processor first... then RAM... then reduce timings.:clap:

[Blazing fire]

You may wish to check out ddr2 vs ddr3 (7th one in my sig). They compare high bandwidth with low latancy.

[Evilsizer]

ok so if we look at the bigger picture then... if the board is P35 the 1333fsb strap kicks in at 500mhz, negating the higher FSB and ram speed. the looser chipset timings kill ram bandwidth, this has been shown by Gauntam. Why OB may want to do then is some figuring. say stick to a 490fsb max with higher ram ratio for the added bandwidth as 18 has shown. As his pic shows though read is up but write is still the same. the cpu will only be able to use so much of the bandwidth to begin with. what would be the point of throwing all that bandwidth at the cpu if it is only going to use say 50% of it? would you call that wasted money on ram for something that doesnt improve performance. for the most part the added ram bandwidth wont unless you like gaming superpi or pifast 24/7. my point here is that money can be spent on other parts to improve the overall performance of his computer. im sure 18 is aware after seeing FCG's chart just on latency numbers, DDR2-800 cas4 = DDR2-1000 cas5.


OB
that link i posted up is old, i mean old, the ram was bought in 06. it is Corsair PC2-6400C4's V2.1, which according to the DDR2 list is Promos based ram.
http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr2/
at that time no one else had promos ram that fast, i think i was the only one that had that speed for it. Today that may be completly different vs then, promos may be clocking much better. i havent kept much track of ram like i use to, last time i did was when High speed D9's were dieing. hell we still have micron based ram, namly balli kits that still are dieing.

[18 is # 1]

im sure 18 is aware after seeing FCG's chart just on latency numbers, DDR2-800 cas4 = DDR2-1000 cas5.

That is not what I've found to be true in practice. Here is the same FSB at 4-4-4 1:1 (820MHz) and 5-5-5 1:1.25 (1025MHz). All other timings are the same in each shot.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo280/rkduncan/cachemem4-4-4.png

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo280/rkduncan/cachemem555.png

There are significant improvements in Read, Copy, and Latency is faster even though the timings are slower.

This does not negate the importance of the processor. On the contrary, the speed of the processor has by far the greatest impact on performance.

I only wanted to demonstrate that the ability to OC the RAM can give a marked improvement in performance.



P.S. When I was running 2x1 Team Xtreem 667 (D9GMH) at 1080 4-4-4-9...now that's cookin!

[OBLIVIONLORD]

It would be a better if you conducted this test on other applications besides just the 1 program your using this way we can see more broader results.

[thideras]

You are also running a different divider. I know there are some boards out there where that can make a huge impact on how the RAM performs.

[Evilsizer]

It would be a better if you conducted this test on other applications besides just the 1 program your using this way we can see more broader results.
You are also running a different divider. I know there are some boards out there where that can make a huge impact on how the RAM performs.
X2

[OBLIVIONLORD]

What are your thoughts on the G.Skill reputation? If they are really tested at the max of what they are rated for without any overhead to work with then I will probably be just fine with the 1000's since I'm just not going to go anywhere near 500fsb.

At most I would say 470fsb which on the Q9550 would give 4ghz, but I highly doubt I will reach it. However hypothetically speaking, if I do reach it then that still gives me 30mhz overhead to work with before hitting the 500mhz threshold of what they were tested it at.

[thideras]

What are your thoughts on the G.Skill reputation? If they are really tested at the max of what they are rated for without any overhead to work with then I will probably be just fine with the 1000's since I'm just not going to go anywhere near 500fsb.I have now owned 4 sets of their 2x2gb 1000mhz kits...love them. Never had an issue to date, so no experience with their technical support.

I also have not overclocked any of those 4 sets. Couple reasons behind that. They do 1066 on stock settings (YMMV), 4 sticks really stresses the MB and I don't really need the performance there.

[Evilsizer]

well OB, they have won me over a top tier ram reseller, i would say they are in the tops with OCZ/Corsair/ETC..... comparing RMA service i think gskill is better then say cruical.. well i say that cause on the HZ's i bought they sent a RMA set by fedex 2day service. now if they use that same shipping on cheaper sets of ram i dunno. The RMA was painless though... as far as the DDR2-1000's go, yea they are not binned like they use to be OB. as when they first release DDR2-1000 kits they were able to do DDR2-1066 on stockv/timings. the Gskill 2x2 kit that is....

[OBLIVIONLORD]

You are using 2 sets of these correct?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145&Tpk=F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ

[thideras]

You are using 2 sets of these correct?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145&Tpk=F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQCorrect.

Prior to these two kits, I did have 2 kits also. So, 4 total sets :p

[Evilsizer]

yea that kit use to be ocing like this one does now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
DDR2-1100 with same timings and a bump to 2.2v.

[OBLIVIONLORD]

Jason4207 posted these and I was quite amazed at the price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227280

Perhaps they are better than the G.Skill since both are rated at 2.1v except 5-5-5-18 vs 5-5-5-15. I really don't think that would make a difference though.

For $48 after the mail in rebate, it makes you wonder.

[Evilsizer]

go with what cheaper since you only need 500mhz fsb and the last set of timing goes. it does affect but not as much as say going from 4-4-4 to 5-5-5... in my small test on a atom box the last set "15* i changed to 12 and it netted 2 more points in aquamark3.. i havent run any other tests yet with slightly different timings. this is gonig to be one of those things that in benching you will see a difference but RW it wont matter.