4870x2 on world of warcraft

[jefflo]

anyone playing world of warcraft here with 4870x2?

whats your avg fps? i seem to be getting a bug max ive seen is 64fps then sometimes drops to 30ish

my 280gtx goes up to like 200-300fps

gaming at 1920x1200

[ObiWong]

you should be getting a lot more
my 4850 gets like ~100FPS
you have vsync off?
and i think for the 4870x2 you need to have CF enabled
and also you're running the 8.9 drivers right?

[hellzarmy]

my 4870 geta about 160ish to 200 in Shat on Korgath server.

outside of there i get about 250ish fps

[OldSkool]

My 8800GT can get anywhere from 300 to 800 fps so something is seriously wrong.

[Shiggity]

Yeah the 4870x2 should be getting like 400 FPS in WoW hehe.

[Treepeeper]

What is CF?

[OldSkool]

CF = Crossfire, it's ATI's version of Nvidia's SLI.

[Treepeeper]

D'oh! I should have known. Can CF be enabled with only one card?

[OldSkool]

With an X2 series only, if at all. I'm not sure exactly how that works tbh.

[DrSpanky]

im running a 4870x2 and my frame rate can vairy alot, see attached zip for the img with my settings framerate and the area im in. as u can see only 48ish fps

edit: fixed image

btw drivers are 8.9

[AresOlSkool]

Wow is CPU dependent as well. I found that frame rates will rise with an increase in CPU speed as well as whether you have a dual-core or quad-core processor. You using it on the same setup?

[OldSkool]

Wow is CPU dependent as well. I found that frame rates will rise with an increase in CPU speed as well as whether you have a dual-core or quad-core processor. You using it on the same setup?

Framerates will always net higher along with higher clock speeds on the processor. Wow does not benefit from quad core however afaik, just higher clock speeds and higher clocked GPU settings. Raising the cpu clock and seeing increased framerates just means that your CPU is a bottleneck.

[jefflo]

yup have a decent computer setup with the following

q9450 oc @ 4070mhz
8gb of 1066 ram
msi p45 platinum
silverstone 1200 zeus
4870x2
with more then sufficent cooling

i think 4870x2 is not compatible with wow hope thiers a fis for it

be i used a 280gtx its has very good frame rate then i switch to 4870 has also good frame rates then i added another 4870 to make it cf thier its kinda buggy depending on the drivers, now when i change to 4870x2 the fps is stuck at 64 then sometimes its drops but frankly i dont see choppines
maybe game and driver incompatible?

[Mekks]

wow is really CPU bound

[ThaMahstah]

My 4870x2 actually LAGS in World of Warcarft in outside forested areas. Like it drops to 45 and I get stuttering.

But runs immaculately in Ironforge and other highly populated, enclosed spaces. =\

What's up with that?

[OldSkool]

What CPU's and at what speeds are we talking about here? I mean if your CPU is a 2.0Ghz, of course you're going to see lag, regardless of GPU as the CPU will be a huge bottleneck.

Edit - nvm read through the mess above.

[jefflo]

my cpu is oc'd to 4ghz frame is cap at 64 and i think its a bug when i multibox like 3-4 accounts at the same time it drops like 30's in all of them but i dont get choopyness or stuttering but i would like to see the fps not having a cap, v-syc is off and i also notice this with my 4870 in cf

[OldSkool]

As mentioned before, what about Vsync? Is that turned on or off?

[jefflo]

its turned off in game and in ati tray tools still the same.

my next question is has anyone with a 4780x2 got thier fps above 64? in world of warcraft?

[PwNZoRNooB]

Something is seriously wrong here. Try a clean driver install again.

Hope you get it fixed.

[don'tknow]

make sure your old nvidia drivers are 100% cleared from the system. use driver cleaner to remove them, restart and boot into safe mode, use driver cleaner again, restart and see if that fixed it. Should have done this before installing the ATI Catalyst drivers.

[Mekks]

what OS are you usein? vista prior to sp1 had major problems in wow with FPS

[jefflo]

new install of windows xp 64 all patch latest drivers and all, i also know a friend with a 4870x2 with the same problem as mine, thats why im wondering if its a driver card issue with the game, and was wondering if anyone with the same card manage to get the fps above 64 in wow, other games work fine

[Kynolin]

I have pretty much the same problem. I can however get my fps into triple digits if I look directly at the ground. Otherwise, my fps stay about 45-70 in Shattrath, no matter what.

Here is my system:
Phenom 9950BE 3.0ghz
HIS Radeon HD 4870X2
4GB DDR2 800 (4x1GB)
Asus M3A78-T
Thermaltake Toughpower 650W (I know it's pushing it. Waiting on $$$ to replace with 1000-1200w)

Catalyst 8.9 Settings:
FSAA - app preference
16x Anisotropic forced
Advanced Catalyst AI
Adaptive AA enabled

WoW Settings:
Everything on and turned up. (live client, so no PTR shadows, but those do run like **** and glitch bad with both cards in PTR)
Level of detail turned off.
1680x1050 with 2x multisample.

I turned v-sync off in CCC and WoW for these numbers.
I tested by running circles around the big fighting group next to the flight master in Shattrath.

~45-70fps windowed. 1 card ~80% usage*. 507mhz clock 500mhz memory (Catalyst doesn't detect windowed mode as 3d app)
~45-75fps full screen. 1 card ~60% usage. Normal 3d clock/memory. (catalyst AI disabled)
~45-62fps full screen. 2 cards ~30% usage. Normal 3d clock/memory. (catalyst Advanced AI)

When both cards are enabled, the usage shoots up and down on the graph. (I'm using AMD Overdrive) With only the first card, they are stable. I can run Crysis with no problems, and I have no idea why WoW runs

so poorly, or why I take a performance hit because the video cards choose to never go above 30% usage. In Crysis the cards are ~80-90% usage.

I have found out, after lots of frustration with my last computer, that Catalyst does not enable the faster 3d clock speeds in games running windowed mode. This is why I took a performance hit with my old

2900xt, but I was really hoping the 4870x2 could handle a solid 60fps with vsync. Right now, I'm hoping that with time the drivers and games will start to work better with this card.

Note about PTR: I've tried enabling the shadows in the PTR, I maybe top out at 15fps, usually running lower. The shadows glitch to hell if both cards are running, so I have to use windowed mode or fullscreen

with AI disabled. I'm sure you can imagine the bigger drop in fps I get with shadows in windowed mode. WTF Blizzard? I get a whole forest of shadows in Crysis!!!

I hope this helps somehow. Let me know if you find anything.

[jefflo]

Kynolin

you reffer to your 4870x2 as both cards? do you have 2 pcs of 4870x2 or you have 2 pcs pf 4870 in cf?

[Kynolin]

Sorry, I have ONE 4870X2 video card. When I said one or two cards, I was really meaning one or two GPUs. I hope that helps clarify.

[sil40sx]

i had similar problem before with different game tho. Try disabling the "HID-compliant device" on device manager under human interface device. make sure you disable the one that doesn't need a driver*. also, did you have the same OS on 280GTX? because based on my experience on FEAR and COD, when im using 64bit OS i have to turn off these HID's or i will get very low fps, lags, and stuttering. But when using 32bit, everything is fine... try it, who knows it might help you too


* - HID's proprties, driver, driver details. then it has to say "no driver files are required"

edit: screenshot added

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3743/38751778gi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Kynolin]

Here is WoW running fullscreen with 2x FSAA, no vsync, and no forced anisotropic filtering. I alt tabbed to WoW when the GPU spiked, and I tabbed back when it dropped.

Notice how the processor is running a full 3GHZ quad core, with the video card running full speed.

WoW doesn't even use up 50% of the video card's power, and doesn't use 100% of the two processing cores either.
I was still getting only ~45-70fps. I tried w/o FSAA and no improvement.
WTF!?!? argh! Btw: The HID device thing didn't work. =\

49&44.5*C for the video card, and the CPU was running 47*C. Motherboard chipset was 52*C. No overheating.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7444/wowisslowof6.jpg
By kynolin (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/kynolin) at 2008-09-30

[FileAnt]

It looks to me that wow is using large 2D sprites, which will run at MADDx1.x instead of MADDx5. I also run a 2D game where the GPU cuts itself down like that as well... starts at 99% for a minute or so then cuts to 50%-60% depending on my overclock.

[Kynolin]

What is MADD? I know WoW uses 2D stuff when they can, but still throttling back to get less than my refresh rate in FPS is wrong.

[1Kurgan1]

My 8800GT can get anywhere from 300 to 800 fps so something is seriously wrong.

This must be at lower settings, or middle of the night, I mean wow isn't very graphic intensive, but when there is a lot of other players around it can toss some weight around.

[RaV3N]

anyone playing world of warcraft here with 4870x2?

whats your avg fps? i seem to be getting a bug max ive seen is 64fps then sometimes drops to 30ish

my 280gtx goes up to like 200-300fps

gaming at 1920x1200
Yea thats not normal. Ive been seeing alot of people haveing performance problems with the X2's. I think it might be driver related.

[OldSkool]

This must be at lower settings, or middle of the night, I mean wow isn't very graphic intensive, but when there is a lot of other players around it can toss some weight around.

Nope, definitely like 6pm(ish) to middle of the night when there are the most players on.

[loony]

something must be wrong yes probably with the drivers orso..(which is strange cause isn't wow sponsored by ati?) I get 60-70 fps in shatt on highest settings + a macro that improves the graphics even more. And outside shatt my FPs can go to 200 FPS to 300FPS. What if you disable one card/core in the CCC of ati?

[Kynolin]

The best I can do is disable the Catalyst AI, which I've tested multiple times. That runs it on one card. I still haven't found a way to disable one fully. I tried disabling one of the GPUs in device manager, but that definitely didn't work.

[Ortheos]

My 4850 runs pong at 1,232,969,343 fps.

Pacman pushes it harder though, only manages 1,232,969,341 fps. This is @ 320x240.

Core temps reach 27 C at maximum load.

I'm running the latest windows 2.0 2d/3d drivers.

What can I say benchmarking is a risky business. At these loads my poor gpu isn't gonna last long. But I like to push things well beyond their design limit.

I'm currently saving up some money for a quad 4800 setup, only 6 months until duke nukem 3d is released after all. That game looks so realistic, I bet my system will crawl. As long as it maintains a 2,000,000,000+ frame rate, anything less and I'm not playing since it's ridiculous putting graphics ahead of gameplay. If it's not smooth it ain't playable.

Heres hoping my quad setup I'm putting together hold up to the test, and that duke nukem 3d is optimized. I hate unoptimized hogs like jill of the jungle and halloween harry. Awesome graphics but come on nobody could run that ****.

[Catscratch]

And ortheos enters the arena with a blinking speed, rogue haxxor :)

To the OP, i suggest you disable cool'n'quiet and any performance related options in bios. Try after that.

[Kynolin]

Cool and quiet just throttles back the CPU when you aren't doing anything to save power, if you have it set to do so in Windows. For testing WoW I was using the Performance mode in power options, which keeps the CPU at 100%, 100% of the time.

I just swapped in my old 2900XT, and I got about 40-65FPS in the same area, with the same settings. There's nothing that tells me the 2900XT's GPU load, unfortunately.

[glock19owner]

Cool and quiet just throttles back the CPU when you aren't doing anything to save power, if you have it set to do so in Windows. For testing WoW I was using the Performance mode in power options, which keeps the CPU at 100%, 100% of the time.

I just swapped in my old 2900XT, and I got about 40-65FPS in the same area, with the same settings. There's nothing that tells me 2900XT's GPU load, unfortunately.

GPU-Z...

Make sure the run in background box is check like pictured below

[Kynolin]

Sorry, I didn't specify. I use AMD Overdrive, and there is no driver/whatever that reads GPU load for a Radeon 2900XT. GPU-Z didn't have it either. I do like that utility though.

[Kynolin]

Bump. Has anyone gotten their 4870x2 to run better with WoW? I've spent a lot of time making sure nothing is wrong with my system.

[Catscratch]

Can you determine if the gpu doesn't hit 100% usage when in crowded areas ? And it doesn't change clocks ingame right ? You can check those with rivatuner or gpu-z

[JonSimonzi]

From what I've researched, WoW doesn't like dual GPU setups. I just bought a 9800GX2, and get horrible framerates with both GPU's enabled.

[Kynolin]

*edit* glanced at wrong tab.
I still have this problem. I can get my gpu to max if I'm in a city w/ 8xAA and shadows on full, but my problem still exists for when shadows are off. (like pre-patch)

[Catscratch]

Well strange enough, my gpu only maxes out when I enable v-sync. When off, it varies.

[Mathis]

Never had the problems you had until the new patch came out. Now my FPS suck, and it crashes intermittently. I used to be able to turn off VSync and get over 300 fps, and now it doesn't go above 80 if I'm lucky. The notes for expected bugs with the patch say that many things have been significantly improved in the game as far as graphics and min sys requirements go, but I doubt it could push my system that far.

I flashed to the ASUS TOP Bios, like I probably should have done a while ago, and I no longer drop below 60 fps w/ VSync enabled, which I can handle on the day to day. But that absolutely irritates me that this game is stressing my system. If WOTLK is more of the same I'm gonna drop this game for good.

Also, forgot to mention that the screen stutters and flashes unless I have maximumized windowed mode enabled.

Somebody is at fault for this (Microsoft/AMD/Blizzard) and I would really like it fixed, sooner rather than later.

[Kamus]

Also, forgot to mention that the screen stutters and flashes unless I have maximumized windowed mode enabled.

Somebody is at fault for this (Microsoft/AMD/Blizzard) and I would really like it fixed, sooner rather than later.


The screen sutters because you have the new 3.0 shadows all the way up, it's a bug with the ati drivers.

The only way to get soft shadows to work on fullscreen is to have them on one step above lowest, otherwise you will get flashing shadows.
Or, running window mode.

Looks to be nothing more than a driver issue.
And i'm surprised you expect to get the same performance with softshadows than without, of course the game is gonna run slower, MUCH slower if you're running the shadow slider all the way up, the new shadows stress videocards a lot more than with out.

[Mathis]

Okay, so if is the fault of the drivers, I'm just saying that I hope someone is working on it.

If it is doing this to every card, as you said, then maybe it is a game issue. I don't know. I'll just make sure that when I recommend my video card to friends i say, "yeah you can max out every game except that several year old game, WOW,".

It's not a huge deal, its just that I was able to enjoy seamless play for several months with everything maxed, and now it all of the sudden sucks. If you have more info on the shadows 3.0, that would be interesting.:confused:

[TTP]

shadows works fine on max on both of my systems.