2x Kingston KHX8500D2K2/2GN Prob

[goat199]

I am having problems trying to get my kingston KHX8500D2K2/2GN to go to the right settings http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134218
It is suppose to be SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500), but rihgt now it is PC2 6400 (400Mhz). I have tried changing the voltage and the memory timings are already 5 5 5 15 . Here is my hardware:

- Kingston KHX8500D2K2/2GN x2 (4 sticks)
- CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply.
- ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP
- Q6600
- ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink.

That is all I think you need, if not please ask :)

[18 is # 1]

What is your FSB and divider set at?

[goat199]

FSB:DRAM = 1:2 (CPU-Z)
BUS SPEED = 267.3
Rated FSB = 1069.1
Unless you were talking about the CPU freq = 266

[goat199]

oh oops were you looking for the CPU ratio that is 9.0 as of now.

[Blazing fire]

oh oops were you looking for the CPU ratio that is 9.0 as of now. That's multiplier :D. Eg. FSB (Front Side Bus) X multiplier = 267mhz X 9 = 2403mhz

[18 is # 1]

Download Memset and give us some screen shoots: http://www.tweakers.fr/memset.html

[goat199]

Ok here, but i may decide to switch out the ram, http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5835170#post5835170

Hmm how do i post a pic, i have no site.

[jason4207]

photobucket or imageshack.us to post pics.

Why do you think your RAM is at 400MHz when CPU-Z says its at 533MHz (according to your post...pics would be better)?

[goat199]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9594/rammemtestdu9.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rammemtestdu9.jpg)http://img88.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

[jason4207]

If you want your RAM running to its spec then you need to adjust the FSB:RAM ratio to 1:2. Currently you probably have it on auto which is resulting in a 2:3 ratio.

[goat199]

ok i understand that but how? not sure hat settungs to change in bios and to what?

[jason4207]

Can you list your BIOS settings?

[goat199]

Really all i have changed in bios right now is the ram voltage to 2.20, everything else is on auto.... but i was trying to find a program that could get my bios info to notepad or somthing. here is what i am looking at in bios, this is not my settings, just examples.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/NewBeetle/P5K-E_8734s_BIOS1.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4258/bios2640x480hn6.jpg
those are the top half of the overclocking page, here is the bottom half. This one has a few more under it, south-bridge, north-bridge.
http://www.magietec.com/computer/bios3.jpg
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/Blitz_Bios3.jpg

Those are all pretty close.

[jason4207]

Do you see where it says DRAM Frequency? Press enter there, and select '[DDR2-1066]'.

[goat199]

Ive done that, it does nothing. Now i have contacted Asus and they are telling me that I need to contact Kingston... so thats what im doing right now lol.

[RichardGrayJr]

I'm following your thread closely. I am really looking forward to 4 gigs of this memory, the QVL for my MB list this mem as a "go" for four dimm use. Die hard Kingston fan, these guys have never let me down. Benched my two gigs to 1173-1175 for a two hour memtest last night.

[jason4207]

So, you set it to DDR2-1066 in the BIOS, and then what does CPU-Z say on the memory tab?

[goat199]

nothing changes and its driving me crazy, now i have to talk to kingston:(

[goat199]

This was their stupid homo reply

Be aware that this memory is made for customers looking to overclock their computers. Although this computer can run memory at 1066Mhz, running at this speed with these timings is a form of overclocking. Standard 1066Mhz DDR2 memory runs at CL 7. It is not tested for compatibility with particular motherboards.

Here is a copy of the data sheet for this part. It will show the SPD settings and the optimal settings for this memory.

http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX8500D2K2_2GN.pdf

Ignore the "SLI ready" information. It does not apply to you since you have an Intel based board.

If you want memory that will natively run at 1066Mhz, we suggest part number KVR1066D2N7K2/2G.


If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reply to this e-mail with full email history. Thank you for using Kingston on-line technical support.


I am not sure what cl 7 is, and also one thing that I really have my doubts on is getting their 2x2GB sticks of the same modle when i can't even get the stupid 2x1GB to change to 8400.
Somthing I have not mentioned is that I have a Geforce GTX 280 with 1653 RAM.
Here is a couple forums that kinda helped answer my question. I still have not tried to apply these settings in the bios:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20080411154900890&board_id=1&model=P5B+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&id=20070807142931859&board_id=1&model=P5K-E/WiFi-AP&page=1&count=72

I am going to write back and tell them that the non-overclock is 800MHz (PC2 8500) and i wouldnt mind having that.
another question, does anyone know some of the higher end RAM, either 2x2GB or 4x1GB, that would FOR SURE 100% run on this mobo? I may even be happy with 1x2GB or 2x1GB if that is my only choice.
it is a ASUS P5K-E/Premium/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard.

Ill keep you all updated, feel free to put in your advice :)

Almost forgot, here is the manual if you want to take a gander http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us ASUS P5K-E/Premium/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard. On Vista 64. And I do have the very latest Bios Version.

[goat199]

If I had to switch would it be better to stay with this setup which cant get 800, or would it be better to get BL2KIT25664AA80A? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148212&Tpk=BL2KIT25664AA80A

[jason4207]

I really don't think there is anything wrong w/ your RAM.

Post up all your BIOS settings, and some screenshots of the memory tab and CPU tab in CPU-Z.

[goat199]

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=show1ur8.jpg Here is that.

Top half of bios settings:
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10210822101pn7.jpg

Bottom:
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10210822111sp7.jpg

My goal is to run crysis and benchmarks very fast and im not sure 2.4GHz is enough. I got it to 3GHz pretty stable, but it seems i need to change some other settings.

Input? I was really hoping for around 3.5GHz

[jason4207]

OK, your RAM is running at 1066 now, but if you want to OC the CPU your going to need to forget about keeping your RAM at 1066 for now. In fact you want to run your RAM slow, and loose for now to eliminate it as a variable.

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Auto (manual for testing)
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Strap to Northbridge: Auto (Your chosen RAM speed will dictate your strap)
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 (You can tweak this later)
DRAM Command Rate: 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge: 5
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
TWR: AUTO
TRFC: AUTO
TWTR: AUTO
TRRD: AUTO
TRTP: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled

Transaction Booster: Enabled
Boost/Relax Level: Level 0
Clock Over-Charging Mode: 1.000v
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.4v
CPU Voltage Reference: 0.63x
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.60
DRAM Voltage: 2.15
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.30
North Bridge Voltage: 1.4
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: 1.05

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Auto (manual for testing)
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Suppport: Enabled (disabled for testing)
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
PECI: Enabled
CPU Clock Skew: Normal or Auto
NB Clock Skew: Normal or Auto

This is a starting point. You may be able to lower some of the voltages I have listed. If this works good then try raising the multi to 9, but you'll probably have to raise vcore to get 3.6GHz working (if it'll work at all).

Once your happy w/ your CPU/FSB speed you can go back and try tweaking the RAM to run faster w/ tighter timings.

[goat199]

WOW thank you soo much. Let me see how these settings work, and I will report back my info.
UPDATE*
-Works very smooth right now :))))))) 3.2GHZ! That is great :)
I am going to try and up it, i am going to up the fsb and the dram, if there is somthing i am missing please. I am trying to get to 3.5GHz.
-Can not get it to run stable at 466FSB or 433FSB. Not sure what to change......

[jason4207]

Did you try just leaving the FSB at 400, and upping the multi to 9? Don't be afraid to raise the vcore for this setting.

[goat199]

I just tried, couldnt get much success even tried 1.5v is that too high?

[jason4207]

You could try up to 1.6v BIOS which should translate to about 1.55v actual. Iirc my X3210 needed 1.525v BIOS (1.488v actual) to be stable. I don't know if your HS will be adequate for these voltages, but you should be fine to experiment a little.

Were you able to POST at all at 400x9?

[goat199]

Ok tried it at 1.6v and it worked so it successfuly got to 3.6 :) then i started to play crysys and 10 mins into it, it gave me a bluescreen :( . not sure if it is safe to go so high, seems too hot but that might just be because I'm not used to oc'ing too high :)

[jason4207]

Yeah, I don't know that I'd run it that way for 24/7. You're temps are probably pretty high. What does RealTemp 2.79 say?

Go back down to your 7 multi, and see if you can get your FSB running a little higher. Work your way up to 450, and see if it holds. The idea here is to eventually find a good 8x multi setting that works, but its best to test the FSB independent of the CPU, so you know where the problem is.

If that doesn't work you'll have to lower your FSB below 400, and use the 9x multi. I like to have my FSB above 400, so I suggested the other way first.

[goat199]

Thank you very much jason4207, I think i will keep it at this speed for now. I may have a question in the future, but for now The problem is considered SOLVED :)

Thanks again!

[goat199]

lol, I have another problem. It seems if I leave the computer on too long it over heats maybe, it starts to act very slow and funky. Can anyone help?

[goat199]

Ok it is starting to be clumsy, maybe I should just bring it down to 2.9-3GHz. I would be willing to try to fix it first befor I bring it down a notch.

[jason4207]

Have you run OCCT2.0 custom 2hr RAMtest?

What about memtest86+ (from DOS)? At least 2 passes

Run these and let me know the results.

[goat199]

Here is OCCT2.0:
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=occtli6.gif

I can not get memtest86+ to work, i looked for a 64 bit version but could not find one, I have tried the 2.0.0 and the 2.0.1 both do not like me having 64 bit :(

[jason4207]

Change the 'MIX' to 'RAM'. Then let me know if it passes.

memtest86+ is supposed to be put on a floppy or USB stick, and loaded via DOS. Do you have a floppy or USB stick?

I think you can burn it to a CD/DVD as well. Point is you have to boot to it; not run it in Windows.

[goat199]

Ok update:

OCCT2 - Crashed | Code 4
MEMtest86+ - It did two test's and passed both.

So what does this mean?

[jason4207]

It could be the RAM or NB.

What speed are you running now? Did you settle for 400x8 or are you working on 400x9? Or something in between?

[goat199]

I just switched it from 400xauto to 400x8, auto is not good i think, today the pc was going pretty slow and laggy. So I restart it and it wouldnt even give me the blue screen. So I let it rest for 3 hrs then changed it to 400x8. Also I changed the cpu voltage back to 1.4 from 1.65ish and changed the C1E Support from disabled to enabled. I also turned on some kind of smart fan system in the bios, to performance mode.

[goat199]

And it is still being sluggish, more than usual. Maybe I should step it down a tad? I am going to clean up all my junk with Vista Manager. any thoughts on why its being sluggish? when i say sluggsh, I mean it is slow AND freezing for 3-30 sec, especialy when I open a program.

[jason4207]

Does it stop lagging when you put everything back to stock?

[goat199]

its hard to say, but i did some major cleaning today, so i will try both and get back.