internet shareing

[Crash893]

how do you set up two computers ( both running 2k) to share internet threw the lan lines?

[Jon]

Do you have 2 NICs installed in either of those PCs?

[rogerdugans]

I take it one machine is connected to the Internet and the other is on connected through ethernet to the first:

Proxy Server software is needed for this: Internet Connection Sharing comes with Win2K (but sucks) AnalogX has a freeware one which I have used, and I have also used Wingate and Microsoft Proxy Server (MS BackOffice.)

Another way is to get a gateway router: they are available for cable, dsl and I think for dialup.

The biggest advantages to this method in my mind are that you get a basic firewall and you don't use any pc resources to share the connection. The biggest disadvantage of course is money.

[Crash893]

sorry i guess i left out some info on that first post

okay cpu#1 has a modem and a nic

the nic then goes to a old 10mb hub

the hub then also has 2 more ports

1 goes to cpu#2 with no modem
and a laptop sometimes there sometimes not



basicly i want to surf on cpu#2 while cpu#1 is online

[Jon]

PC #1 w/modem

Set IP address for NIC to 192.168.0.1
Set Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Leave Gateway blank.

PC #2

Set IP address to 192.168.0.2
Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Gateway to 192.168.0.1

Laptop

Set IP address to 192.168.0.3
Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Gateway to 192.168.0.1

Should be able to access the internet from any of the PCs once all these settings are taken.

[rogerdugans]

Originally posted by Jon
PC #1 w/modem

Set IP address for NIC to 192.168.0.1
Set Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Leave Gateway blank.

PC #2

Set IP address to 192.168.0.2
Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Gateway to 192.168.0.1

Laptop

Set IP address to 192.168.0.3
Netmask to 255.255.255.0
Gateway to 192.168.0.1

Should be able to access the internet from any of the PCs once all these settings are taken.

Does this work without proxy software? I'm asking because I tried all kinds of thing when I first got into networking and couldn't do it without proxy software.......that I could figure out.

[Jon]

It's how I always set my LAN up before I got a router.

Had it done that way when I was home a couple months on dialup too. Never used any software for mine.

EDIT:

Might be necessary to go into the Dialup Connectio properties and set it to share that connection though. That is a part of ICS but since you're not using the clients, you're only actively using the NAT translation of the server PC making it a bit better.

In a sense, I suppose I was using proxy software.

[rogerdugans]

/kicks self in head

all the trouble i went through with proxy software!!!!!!

[Crash893]

i konw this sounds lame but where do you go to set up the gateway and ip in 2k

[rogerdugans]

Right click on Network Places/ properties, same on Local Connection/properties, then select TCP/IP properties.

Then set it up as Jon said

[Crash893]

okay here is where i stand

cpu#1

ip is 192.168.0.1 cpu1 CAN not ping this and cant ping cpu#2
gw is nothing
BUT i can ping 127.0.0.1 and there is link lite on the hub
cpu#2
ip is 192.168.0.2 cpu2 can ping this
gw is 192.168.0.1 cpu2 CAN NOT ping this


do i need to enable internet shareing or take it off?

webpages still wont show up on cpu#2

[Tismedt]

I had a lot of success with wingate. The support is great and the program works solid. Try it. Also on there site is step by step instruct for the layman. It helped me a bunch. I have 4 rigs all online everyday.

[Crash893]

i want to do this with out installing software if at all possible


next up

i see now that im no longer recognized on network neiborhood
also i did ipconfig and my ip address keeps showing up as 172.somthing.x.z.y

even though i have it set to 192.168.0.1

what gives

i reset my computer and everything

anyideas

[Crash893]

okay now i notice that i have to icons undernetwork connections


lan#1 and lan#2


lan#1 is the actuall ethernet card

lan#2 says its the wan network driver

so witch one should be set to 192.168.0.1

and what should i do with lan#2

[Crash893]

Bump

need help with this still please

[JayP]

I think you should try using Wingate. On the website there are installation instructions that you can download and print out for use while setting up everything. I was very lost with internet connection sharing until I used Wingate. Give it a try...

[rogerdugans]

Wan port will be the modem, the nic should be set to the static ip.

Try that and see what happens.

A sidenote: I tried the trick above for routing, but it would not work through a Win98se pc; I don't know if there is something different in that config than the one it used to work for you in, Jon, but I tried everything, I think!

[Jon]

I didn't use Win98 to route with...Win2K.

I haven't used 98 in over 2 years as I find it can't do much of anything well.

Popped in an extra NIC last night into my dual PIII 500 and set it up as a router for ***** 'n giggles to make sure I wasn't full of bs myself and it provided internet to all my PCs just fine...just as if the router was there. Set the IPs up as above, share the backbone connection and voila! Internet.

Got to be something you guys are missing or maybe are making it more difficult than it really is...I don't know. Took me 10 minutes tops from the start of putting the NIC in to sharing my connection with the other PCs.

[rogerdugans]

Originally posted by Jon
I didn't use Win98 to route with...Win2K.

I haven't used 98 in over 2 years as I find it can't do much of anything well.

Popped in an extra NIC last night into my dual PIII 500 and set it up as a router for ***** 'n giggles to make sure I wasn't full of bs myself and it provided internet to all my PCs just fine...just as if the router was there. Set the IPs up as above, share the backbone connection and voila! Internet.

Got to be something you guys are missing or maybe are making it more difficult than it really is...I don't know. Took me 10 minutes tops from the start of putting the NIC in to sharing my connection with the other PCs.

I tried at work, through the boss's pc: he seems to like 98?!?!?!?
And yet another reason why I don't like 98! I thought it might be something like that, which is why I specified the (non)os in my post above!

[Crash893]

okay well i got like 99% of this done just one major problem left

still can get internet to pipe down to cpu#2

i can play games now no problem

the wan is set to auto ip

the nic is set to .0.1 and 0.2

but still no internet
i tired enabling internet shareing but it gives me an error message sayingthat some one has that ip already but there are only 2 computers

[rogerdugans]

Have you tried using the little wizard that finds the network settings in IE?

I have just gotten into the habit of using it through my own laziness- usually works too.

[Crash893]

yea i tired nothing


also i know this is putting the cart before the hourse but afther this is up and running in theory could i dial out threw cpu#2

if no one is in cpu#1's room

[rogerdugans]

Using a proxy server- yes, once it is all running correctly.
I am not certain about just using routing.....

[Crash893]

i dont understand how do you set that up

[rogerdugans]

The only way I have done all this stuff is using Proxy software (such as ICS, Wingate, etc) and if you aren't using Proxy software yet you may not need to.......I'd rather wait and see if someone else knows a way to do it without. (Besides: you have most of the functionality you want now right? You might have to start over at the beginning to get it configured!

Good Luck (I'll be on tonight!)

[Crash893]

starting over isnt a big deal becuase there are only 2 cpu's that realy need to be configured and there just down the hall from eachother

the thing that gets me is the share internet access threw this connection is checked so it should work but its not thats what chaps my @$$

[Crash893]

would aol have anything to do with this stuff not working?
( before you guys start in i get aol for free so i dont need any crap about that)

[puppet]

Configuring the ICS Computer
How you configure the ICS computer depends on whether it connects to the Internet using an analog modem or ISDN connection, or a high-speed device such as a DSL or cable modem.



Note

The ICS computer automatically assigns IP addresses, forwards DNS names to the Internet for resolution, and assigns itself as the default gateway for connecting to the Internet. If any of the clients on the branch office’s intranet are providing these functions, Internet Connection Sharing might not work.

Configuring an ICS Computer with an Analog Modem or ISDN Connection
In this configuration, the ICS computer connects to the Internet using an analog modem or ISDN connection. The ICS computer and all of the other computers in the Seattle branch office, are connected to the branch office’s intranet using network adapters.

Install the analog modem (or make sure you have a modem installed) on the ICS computer you want to use to access the Internet. If you are installing an analog modem in the ICS computer for the first time, Windows 2000 Plug and Play automatically detects and configures it.

Open the Network and Dial-Up Connections folder, and then double-click Make New Connection. This starts the Windows 2000 Network Connection Wizard to set up the connection to your Internet service provider (ISP). Configure the connection by using the settings provided by your ISP.

After the wizard has created the new connection to your ISP, Windows 2000 adds a new icon for the connection in the Network and Dial-Up Connections folder. Test the new Internet connection by connecting to your ISP and verifying that you can browse the World Wide Web.

Next, open the Properties of the new connection, click the Sharing tab, and then select the Enable Internet Connection Sharing for this connection check box.

Next, check the configuration of the clients, as described in “Configuring the Branch Office Client Computers” later in this section. Finally, verify the shared ICS connection by browsing the World Wide Web from one of the clients on the branch office intranet.

Configuring an ICS Computer with a DSL or Cable Modem Connection
In this configuration, the ICS computer connects to the Internet using a second network adapter connected to a high-speed DSL or cable modem. The ICS computer connects to the other computers in the Seattle branch office’s intranet using the first network adapter. The rest of the computers in the branch office connect to the local intranet using other network adapters.

Rename the local area connection for the branch intranet (“Office Intranet,” for example) on the ICS computer that you want to use to access the Internet, and then install the second network adapter (or make sure you have a second network adapter installed) to connect to the DSL or cable modem connection. If you are installing the second network adapter for the first time, Windows 2000 Plug and Play automatically detects and configures it.

Next, open the Properties of the new connection, and configure the connection by using the settings provided by your ISP. Next, click the Sharing tab, and then select the Enable Internet Connection Sharing for this connection check box.



Note

Rename the new external connection to the Internet to differentiate it from the branch office’s intranet.

Test the new Internet connection by connecting to your ISP and verifying that you can browse the World Wide Web.

Finally, check the configuration of the clients (as described in the following section) and then verify the shared ICS connection by browsing the World Wide Web from one of the clients.
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Configuring the Branch Office Client Computers
To verify that the network settings on each client in the branch office are configured properly to use the new ICS computer to connect to the Internet, do the following:

Verify that the local area connection to the branch office intranet uses the Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing, and Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) components. (These are the default settings in Windows 2000.)
Verify that the TCP/IP properties for the connection are configured to obtain an IP address and a DNS server address automatically. (These are the default settings in Windows 2000.)
After the ICS computer has been initially configured and tested, restart all of the clients. Do not restart the ICS computer.


Tip

If you have trouble accessing the Internet from a client, verify that the client’s Internet browser is configured to connect using the LAN. If this is not the problem, ping the ICS computer by typing ping 192.168.0.1 at a command prompt. If this also fails, verify the client’s physical connection to the office intranet. Finally, you can use IPConfig, a diagnostic tool included with Windows 2000 Professional, to view details of the client’s IP configuration. Open a command window, and then type ipconfig. If you want help with using the tool, type ipconfig /?.

The only necessary modification for client applications is to configure Internet Explorer to use the branch office LAN connection to the Internet.

To configure Internet Explorer to use a shared ICS connection

On the Tools menu, click Internet Options, and then click the Connections tab.
In Dial-Up Settings, click Never dial a connection, and then click LAN Settings.
In Automatic Configuration, check the Automatically detect settings check box and clear the Use automatic configuration script check box.
In Proxy Server, clear the Use a proxy server check box.

You can get all this info from MS' resource kits on-line :)

[Crash893]

its a modem that im useing

even though i set both ip address the when i run games on the main computer says its ip is 162.190.101.152 or something like that even though i set it to 192.198.0.1

[Shmuck]

This a really helpful post, thanks all so far.

I have 2 comps networked via hub. My WinXP computer has a modem, connecting to the internet dialup. I know WinXP has builtin internet sharing stuff,...but what do I need to do with the 98 computer? Simply assign appropriate IP addresses? That sounds too simple for windows 98.

Thanks, Tim