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I want to overclock my cpu but im to sure how to do it. I have done this before with my old BX6 mainboard but i bought a new mainboard and have no idea what to do. This new mainboard, from what I have read won't let you clock it from the bios. How do I do this. I have never used jumpers before. Oh ya BTW my cpu is a celeron 900 mhz. This first pic is of what kind of Mainboard I just bought. I was told it was good for the price. :) The second pic will be from the instruction manual on how to clock(I think). I dont even know if this mainboard will clock or if the celeron will either, but im sure someone here can help me out. :)
RainMaQer
01-14-02, 02:15 AM
Welcome to the Forums:D
To oc your setup all you need to do is set the dip switches (as shown in your manual) to the 103 fsb setting... test it out by first making it into windows:beer: Then get a good burn in program and something to monitor temps. Make sure you have good cooling too.
You can get Motherboard Monitor to watch your temps here (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/)
And try CPUBurn (http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/) to put some load on the processor to raise the temps.
Make sure the temps under full load (cpuburn running) don't go over 45 C to be safe... To be honest you should check your temps before you oc so you know if you need better cooling. But anyway... if that goes well... try the next setting... repeat all steps and all is well... keep going until things get unstable or the temps get too high then back it off a notch. Let us know how it goes... and before you start you should check the Beginners guide on the front page;)
PS... who makes that mobo?
pappypete
01-14-02, 02:25 AM
That pic is a socket 478 mobo? Cele 900 is socket 370!!
Not compatable.
Hmmmm....That socket 478 mobo may be a problem with your Celery!
RainMaQer
01-14-02, 02:47 AM
WOW... I didn't even notice that... ummm... dude.... you need to go shopping again;)
You got the wrong manual buddy. Shouldn't have the manual already come with the board? Try to research the site and you can use the program Sisoft Sandra 2002 to help you identify the board.
Yodums
It must be compatable because im useing it right now. The mother board is made by Chaintech. www.chaintech.com.tw
Here is a pic from the other manual that came with the board. :D
http://wind.prohosting.com/~goodie19/manual.JPG
Here are my boards specs. I have 2 pages to load. :)
PAGE 1
http://www.webspawner.com/users/goodie1994/specs%20page%201.JPG
PAGE 2
http://www.webspawner.com/users/buddy94/specs%20page%202.jpg
Now I know that my cpu can be over clocked. I ran WCPUID and it's running at 902 mhz and it says it's a 900mhz on the box. :D
jazztrumpet216
01-14-02, 04:05 PM
Well, the reason it says 902 is most likely that your mobo isn't running at exactly 100Mhz bus. Maybe 100.2 or something like that. Now, I GUARANTEE you that is NOT the correct manual for your motherboard. It is not possible to even jam a Celeron into a Socket 478 P4 motherboard. The socket size the Celeron requires is just too big for that mobo. I think you got the wrong manual there. Check in your case and see if you can find the mobo model number on there, then go to the Chaintech website and see if you can download your real manual.
Im telling you this is the book that came with the Mainboard. I just got the thing 2 days ago. The celeron IS installed on this board and running fine. :D
ok how can i prove this to you
RainMaQer
01-14-02, 04:24 PM
K... that isn't the right manual... but that's not a big deal... Look on your board... do you have dip switches? Any idicators as to what board you have. Look for manufactuars name... style or whatever. In the bios... is there anything for manual speed selection?
There's definitely a way to prove that isn't the manual because.
Look at the last picture you posted it clearly says.
"To work with the Pentium 4 Processor yatta..."
The P4 are Socket 478 and that manual says it.
Your Chip is a Socket 370.
pappypete
01-14-02, 04:31 PM
I believe what you are saying.......however......the pic in
your first post is of a socket 478 manual. Probably, for
some reason, you received the wrong manual with the
mobo. What you need to do now.....identify your mobo.
There has to be info on that mobo to help ID it.
Ya but this is the mainboard i got and it does have this celeron on it. Now im worried about what mainboard I really have :(
is there a program that i can run that will say what mainvoard im running. I cant seem to see any thing on the mainboard to ID it. :(
jazztrumpet216
01-14-02, 04:39 PM
Right... open it up and look for a brandname. Many put model numbers between PCI slots. It is very possible that someone at Chaintech threw the wrong manual in with your board or perhaps your local shop did. Either way, open up your case and try to find some identifying markings.
EDIT: Try downloading SiSoft Sandra from the www.cnet.com (http://www.cnet.com) downloads section. That should tell you what it is.
pappypete
01-14-02, 04:49 PM
jazztrumpet is right on..........you just need to get
used to the idea that you don't have a P4 mobo.
Next......find out what you do have.
Go get Sisoft Sandra 2002.
Go to mainboard information it will include the manufacutre which should be identified as Chaintech and the model number.
But in this case what are you needing a manual for?
Start overclocking, stress testing that thing and monitor the temperatures.
I think i found it
http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/PRO133A.jsp
Originally posted by Goodie
I think i found it
http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/PRO133A.jsp
Thats not a motherboard that is the chipset which your motherboard maybe running on.
Yodums
crap, well i know for sure that that is the chip set. lol
Finally I found the right Info. :) Took awhile but I got it.
http://www.chaintech.com.tw/PRODUCTI/mainboar/sock370/6ViA4.htm
Originally posted by Goodie
Finally I found the right Info. :) Took awhile but I got it.
http://www.chaintech.com.tw/PRODUCTI/mainboar/sock370/6ViA4.htm
Good, lets get down to business and overclock it.
Yodums, where in Ontario are ya from. Im in Kirkland Lake Ontario. It's the place where Toronto wanted to send their garbage. :( Anyway thanks for all the help so far. :)
Crap that link is the wrong info. it says it only supports up to 700mhz. :( but it looks just like mine.
Ottawa.
Go here:
http:/www.aoafiles.com/
Click CPUApps and download MBMxxx.exe and then go into stablity and download Prime95.
MBM is Motherboard Monitor and it monitors the temperature of the computer when you overclock so you don't overheat it.
Prime95 puts the processer under 100% stress to test stablity of the chip.
The temperature should be taken after you ran Prime 95 for an hour.
You shouldn't be exceeding temperatures of 40-45 and at stock speed you shouldn't even be over 40.
Yodums
OMFG Look at this pic. If I am reading this right I have a 900mhz cpu running at 600mhz. :( Now more than ever I want to get this thing overclocked.
RainMaQer
01-15-02, 01:02 AM
actually according to that it's the other way around... you have a 600 running at 900;) But sandra is usually wrong about that...
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 08:31 AM
Yea, according to that, it says your Celery is an OC'd 600. BUT-- I've also seen it happen where it reads the CPU incorrectly. I wouldn't worry about it.
OK I found it this time. this is it amd im positive about this. :D
http://www.chaintech.com.tw/PRODUCTI/mainboar/sock370/6AJA4T.htm
pappypete
01-15-02, 12:41 PM
Goodie.......if you are positive about the ID of your board,
I would recommend you download a copy of the manual.
Next........read it thoroughly, you will learn much about
your new board. The better you understand it, the more
friendly it will be.
That is, if you have not done so already!
Ive got the manual now, i got it from the comp store and I have read it and i understand to a point. ill be posting a pic here soon with a question I have. :D thanks for all the help I've been getting here, you guys are great. :D
pappypete
01-15-02, 12:58 PM
Great.......looks as though you're headed in the right
direction
Ok Here is the pic. Now what I wanna know is this. :D My comp right now boots up with Eternal clock Frequency of 100mhz FSB and the CPU Frequency Ratio is set to 9. So when it boots up i see 100/9 on the start up. :D Now if I set the Eternal clock Frequency to 133 mhz FSB and set the CPU Frequency Ratio to 10 will this hurt my system or should I start off with setting it to 9.5.
I got a cd with this mainboard and it had a program that will overclock your cpu through windows.This program dosent save your settings at all, it just lets you try a clock speed to see if it will work. I set it to 1.1 ghz and my comp froze. :( I don't think this was accurate though because it was done through windows and not with the jumpers. :D The other problem with this program is that it won't let you set your FSB. so i could only up the CPU Frequency and my FSB was set to 100mhz.
Anyway, what do you guys think I should do here with these settings. This will be my FIRST time overclocking with jumpers so go easy and have patience ok guys. thanks and cheers :beer:
http://www.webspawner.com/users/frcfffr/my%20real%20manual.JPG
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 01:44 PM
Don't even bother with the CPU multipler. The ones on Intel chips are locked, and there's no way to unlock them :(
You'll have to do an FSB overclock. My thinking is that the 1.1 setting put the FSB at 122Mhz which is a PCI bus of 40.6. That's a high PCI bus and I'd bet one of your cards couldn't take it. Start off in slow increments (ie: go from 100 to 105 or whatever the next setting up is) and then use Sandra burn in for an hour and see if your comp locks up. If it doesn't, your system is stable and you can try for more. I have seen those Celery 900's hit 133Mhz bus before. You might have to adjust your dividers in the BIOS if that's possible on your board.
OK, Sounds good, but if ya look at the pic the Eternal clock Frequency goes from 66mhz to 100mhz then to 133mhz. There are no other settings for the FSB, just the jumper. Im running at 66mhz right now so I go for the 100mhz then the 133mhz, right?
Will I see a number increase like from 900mhz to 1 ghz? or is it just going to say 900 mhz with what ever mhz FSB?
Also im useing Prime95 to test it. do i run it with the torture test?
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 02:08 PM
OK. Yea, I didn't look at it. You're running at 100Mhz FSB right now (100x9 = 900Mhz; if you were running at 66Mhz, it'd be 66x9 = 600Mhz). This is a bit risky, but if I were you, I'd just set it at 133 and see what it does (133x9 = 1200Mhz). If it doesn't boot or locks up during the boot, set it back at 100Mhz. It's a long shot, I won't lie about that, but I've seen them run at 1200 right of the bat. Otherwise, I'm afraid you're stuck with your CD or a similar program like SoftFSB or whatever.
pappypete
01-15-02, 02:15 PM
Goodie.....one other possibility, check your bios for pci
dividers. At 133 FSB you need 1/4 to stay in speck (33)
Originally posted by pappypete
Goodie.....one other possibility, check your bios for pci
dividers. At 133 FSB you need 1/4 to stay in speck (33)
Ok I'll try that. I jst tried to run it at 133mhz FSB and it wouldnt even boot up. it will however run at 100mhz FSB . its running right now on 100mhz. :)
Ok, I cant find the PCI Dividers anywhere in my bios. Could it be listed under an other name?
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 02:36 PM
Doubt it. My guess is that they would be automatically set. As pappypete said, check your manual and see if there's any jumpers that might control the dividers, just to make sure.
Im testing the 100mhz FSB right now and it runs at 36.4C \97.5F
I think that will be ok. :D I cant find a jumper for the PCI Dividers or a setting in the bios for it so I guess it's pre set. :(
Will going from 66mhz FSB to 100MHZ FSB make that much of a difference though. or should i just put it back to 66mhz?
pappypete
01-15-02, 03:22 PM
The only other suggestion I can think of is SoftFSB.
You might be able to get an improvement.
Originally posted by pappypete
The only other suggestion I can think of is SoftFSB.
You might be able to get an improvement.
Ok well im new to this overclocking of the FSB can you explain this better. What is softFSB? This was the first time I overclocked the fsb.
Well 45 min with the temp steady at 36.0 C , so im shutting down the test. im sure it's stable enough. :D
pappypete
01-15-02, 03:31 PM
SoftFSB is a software program that allows the increase
of your FSB in windows. It's quite simple to use.
Ok, thanks pappypete. You have been a great deal of help. :D you da man
:beer:
Don't bother with SoftFSB those programs are horrible to overclock and they probably won't even support your motherboard as it was meant to work with older motherboards.
I believe your motherboard has a self built in divider.
Probably 100-124 is 1/3
133+ is 1/4
Yodums
Ok Yodums, but how can i set it to the 1\4?
RainMaQer
01-15-02, 03:59 PM
Do you have options to adjust the vcore (voltage supplied to the processor)?
Originally posted by RainMaQer
Do you have options to adjust the vcore (voltage supplied to the processor)?
Yes I do, but i thought that celerons were locked?
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 04:01 PM
Well, if Yodums is right, and I kinda thought this before, it'll set itself once you go over 124FSB. There was a random chance there was an override in the BIOS or by jumpers but I don't think that's the case. If SoftFSB is the only shot you have at getting some performance out of that processor, it can't hurt to download it. Especially if you have Cable or DSL or another form of broadband, it'll go pretty quickly. Never hurts to try.
EDIT: Celerons are multiplier locked. You can't change the FSB multiplier. Voltage... you can do that. You might try giving the processor a bit more juice to see if it'll go at 133, but I try not to go over 2 volts.
ok so how would you go about upping the voltage. there are lots of voltage settings before i even get to 2volts. So do i do it in small ammounts? I have already upped it by .50 or something like that. So after i up it i guess I take out the FSB jumper and try to reboot. (Taking it out gives me 133mhz)and if it wont go i put the jumper back in and reboot to bios and put more voltage till it works but NEVER going over 2 volts. Is this right im i understanding this right?
Originally posted by jazztrumpet216
You can't change the FSB multiplier.
Had enough sleep lately? :D Just kidding get yourself some coffee.
You can change the FSB.
Originally posted by Yodums
Had enough sleep lately? :D Just kidding get yourself some coffee.
You can change the FSB.
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! well this is my first time screwing with FSB, so i guess im gonna get flamed a bit .lol i dont mind though because you guys are great for helping me out and having the patience for me as well. :D thanks.
Ok so you say i can change the fsb and i have done it with the jumpers from 66mhz to 100 mhz but 133 mhz wont boot up my comp. :( so is there a way to get the 133mhz. will upping the voltage get me there? Please explain
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 04:20 PM
Goodie--- yes, try small amounts first. You don't want to send any more juice to your processor than you have to. Raising the voltage on the processor will help it to achieve those higher speeds you want.
Yodums-- LOL!! I gotta read more carefully. I've been getting enough sleep but I just got done with exams for the day, that's probably why my brain's fried. Only 2 more days to go of that. Anyway, what I was saying is that you can't change the multiplier... the FSB is changable.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
ok cool, ill do it in small amounts :D
My voltage goes up as follows
0.025 all the way up to 0.175. So can i inreeace my voltage by 0.050 instead of 0.025.
I just found this setting in my bios, lol (can ya tell ive only had the thing for about 3 days) CPU HOST/PCI CLOCK is that what im looking for?
it hads numbers like this
100/66 and so on. there are a bunch of them. im guessing that the 100 is the cpu and the 66 is the fsb.
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 04:47 PM
YES!!! That's it! 100 is the FSB... 66 might be the AGP bus. Dunno. Something that looks like 100/100/33 would be CPU/RAM/PCI. If you have numbers like 110/110/36, you have an overclock setting in there, too. (If you have anything in there that starts with a number other than 66, 100, or 133, it's an overclock setting).
nope just the 2 numbers 100/66 or what ever. there are a bunch of them to set. . :D, but this is what i want to set?
YE HAW, THAT DID IT:D i made the mistake of running it at 1 ghz with 66 fsb and it crashed, but im now running it at 945mhz with 105 fsb. :) now i gotta find a way to up the fsb for the 1 ghz. do you guys think i should put the jumper back in that i took out for the 100mhz fsb. that would either drop it down to 66mhz or i can set it to select the best fsb for me. i did the auto option a few min ago before i found this overclock setting and it booted me up as a 600mhz cpu with 66mhz fsb, so i dunno what to do.
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 05:17 PM
Looks like you enabled a jumper free mode. Unless you tell it what to operate at, it will go with the default setting, 66MHz. Go into your BIOS and change that to whatever the FSB is that you want to shoot for. G'luck!
Thanks, im running @ 990mhz with 110mhz FSB. I cant get the 1 ghz i wanted but it's only 10 mhz off so no biggie. It's running at 37.8C/100F is this ok?
Thanks guys
http://www.giftservice.co.uk/balloons/images/miscellaneous/04348%20%20thank%20you%20(purple).jpg
jazztrumpet216
01-15-02, 05:40 PM
Temps look great. If you wanted to push it any higher in the future, I'm betting you could. It's great you achieved your goal though. Welcome to the 1GHz club!
naw i cant get the 1 ghz. it wont boot up. :(
all i can get right now is 990mhz. I think it's just a matter of figureing out the voltage and FSB to get the 1 ghz, but i dont know if i should bother for a mere 10 mhz gain.Is there a CPU temp program i can D\L and have run on start up so i can keep an eye on it?
CrystalMethod
01-15-02, 08:30 PM
A lot of the guys around here use "MBM5" (Mother Board Monitor, version 5).You can get it here. (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/) But, just to warn you, it doesn't always read correctly, it varies with differnt motherboards. The only way to get accurate temperatures is to use a thermistor placed up against the side of the CPU die. You can buy temperature monitors built for this specific purpose. The "compu-nurse", is one, the "digital-doc" is another, but the digital-doc does a whole lot more than just read temperatures. I'd download MBM5, and see if it will work with your motherboard.
pappypete
01-15-02, 08:31 PM
Goodie........Keep trying, a lot of those cele 900's
do 133 FSB.....1.2 no sweat!!
Originally posted by pappypete
Goodie........Keep trying, a lot of those cele 900's
do 133 FSB.....1.2 no sweat!!
I will but I already had to reset Cmos once today :( If ya have any other suggestion that would be great.
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