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Ok, gotta make up my mind now, sorry folks to keep bothering ya'll with this.. but but but, will RIMMS perform way better than pc2700 DDR ? .. here's my final debates:
Option #1: P4T-E & 512 Samsung PC800 RIMMs.
Option #2: P4S333 & 512 PC2700 DDRs.
$&%@)(%&$(#%*#_()^%$* .. Gotta make up my mind before the weekend!! LOL! .. keep in mind, I'm overclocking this baby!
funnyperson1
01-14-02, 07:59 PM
since the price is about the same, id go with the P4T-E with Rimms...
I haven't seen any benchmarks with the DDR but with the RIMMS I know your going to overclock very well on an Asus P4T-E w/ Samsung Rimms.
Add some water cooling bam! *Flahes the 3ghz red blazer coat*...
All there haha
Yodums
BZMeRLiN
01-14-02, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by funnyperson1
since the price is about the same, id go with the P4T-E with Rimms...
So, using that config (P4T-E and Samsung RIMMS) what will happen to his PCI/AGP as the FSB is increased? Will the only things being over (or UNDER) clocked be his RAM and CPU?
Originally posted by BZMeRLiN
So, using that config (P4T-E and Samsung RIMMS) what will happen to his PCI/AGP as the FSB is increased? Will the only things being over (or UNDER) clocked be his RAM and CPU?
The board will have dividers 1/3 and 1/4(I don't know if it should have it but it should and it should be starting at either 124fsb or 133fsb but mainly overclockers will usually only hit 133fsb witth the Northwood and its only good for one round)...
AS I was saying the dividers will divider his fsb up to make the PCI bus.
So using a 1/3 divider on 100mhz would give me a PCI bus of 33 which is perfect.
33 is perfect
34-39 is normal for overclockers going above 100 fsb.
40+ bad HDD corruption may start as hard drive run on PCI bus.
And AGP bus usually is 2x the PCI bus or sometimes has a 1/2 divider or in this case as same as the 2x PCI a 2/3 divider.
To overclock the card itself you will have to do that in windows not bios.
Thanks folks, ok, going with P4T-E .. and keeping my RIMMs.. I'll post the results this weekend once I get it up and running, Watercooling will be the next step, but I'm almost broke NOW! lol
flagreen
01-14-02, 10:53 PM
That should Rock when you get it up and running!
Say, Yodums, these are the same rules I suffered with 2 years ago with my BX board and a 700E!
"The board will have dividers 1/3 and 1/4(I don't know if it should have it but it should and it should be starting at either 124fsb or 133fsb but mainly overclockers will usually only hit 133fsb witth the Northwood and its only good for one round)...
So using a 1/3 divider on 100mhz would give me a PCI bus of 33 which is perfect.
And AGP bus usually is 2x the PCI bus or sometimes has a 1/2 divider or in this case as same as the 2x PCI a 2/3 divider."
Now I'm planning a Northie OC, And I thought I'd seen evidence of progress, at least from Abit, over these 2 years!
1)Looking at mobos that support Northwood procs and I understand that PCI lockdown is a feature now offered by some Abit board. This "asynchrony" would seem to be an excellent and sought-after option to
Intel OCers. *In Particular*, I'd think, if it also applied to the AGP bus.
Do you agree that it (Lockdown) should be a great feature? (I think it's an MSI chipset.) If lockdown is going to be offered in more mobos, it'd seem to me that it'd be worth holding off getting the Asus P4TE (that seems to have made such an splash.)
2) The impending release of 533 MHz P4s reminds me of the situation when CuMine B series with 133 buses which were just "pre-OC'd" by Intel, hence worthless for DIY OC. Is the 533 gonna be OCable?
Thanks, Maggot
Yep the lockdown is in the abit TH7II and TH7II-raid, fixes the agp/pci at 66/33, so there are no troubles with the pci bus running out of spec. It does support northwood cpus as well i need to get a bios update for mine to tho.
Originally posted by pacino
Ok, gotta make up my mind now, sorry folks to keep bothering ya'll with this.. but but but, will RIMMS perform way better than pc2700 DDR ? .. here's my final debates:
Option #1: P4T-E & 512 Samsung PC800 RIMMs.
Option #2: P4S333 & 512 PC2700 DDRs.
$&%@)(%&$(#%*#_()^%$* .. Gotta make up my mind before the weekend!! LOL! .. keep in mind, I'm overclocking this baby! I just ordered a 2.2GHz northy as well. I currently own an Abit TH7II, and before it a P4TE. Both are pretty good boards. A few complaints though - the core voltage adjustment doesn't do anything on the Asus boards. You can raise the setting but hardware monitor never shows a change. On the Abit board the fix pci speed feature doesn't work. Once selected you'll get a beeping sound akin to an ambulance after rebooting. As far as rimms go, I finally decided to try a P4 DDR board. I got the P4S333. I don't have my northwood yet, but I decided to try the board out with my older 1.7gig willy. I also ordered a stick of corsair pc2700, but it's not here yet either and I was forced to experiment with a 128meg stick of crucial pc2100. Not expecting much at all my jaw dropped when I benched it with sandra. With a regular stick of ram running at slow timings (2.5 3 3 4) the memory scores are right in line with PC800 rimms. I can't wait to see what it will do with a stick of pc2700. I don't think you'll go wrong with the P4TE, but I must confess I was more than pleasantly surprised with this board. The only down side I see is the lack of a fix pci speed feature. This was rumored to be a feature of both the P4S333 and P4B266 but I have the latest bios (1003) and it's not there. The 1/4 divider doesn't kick in until you reach 133.
BZMeRLiN
01-15-02, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
I haven't seen any benchmarks with the DDR but with the RIMMS I know your going to overclock very well on an Asus P4T-E w/ Samsung Rimms.
What are the chances of a new Northwood P4 hitting a 133Mhz FSB (so PCI/AGP will be in spec) with normal retail heatsink and fan? Why *wouldn't* it if you think not since the .13 micron core is already slated for this task and the speeds achieved won't be unreasonably fast for the 1.6/1.8 Northies?
Doing this eliminates the need for (potentially buggy) the PCI/AGP lock feature since you can use ANY motherboard (like the well-liked P4T-E) and still run perfectly in-spec AGP/PCI and still get a nice overclock out of it. If people's consensus are that the Samsung RDRAM and a 1.8 Northie can do a 133FSB I'm going for it. So what say you people?
Originally posted by LabMan
Yep the lockdown is in the abit TH7II and TH7II-raid, fixes the agp/pci at 66/33, so there are no troubles with the pci bus running out of spec. It does support northwood cpus as well i need to get a bios update for mine to tho.
That's an MSI chipset, I think. Is that where the lockdown magic is- in the chipset?
This would seem such a great feature for OC, I wonder why it hasn't generated much buzz.
I *also* wonder if the Northwoods with 533 FSB
will be less OCable than the current 400s, just as
the CuMine B series ("933/133" etc) sucked.
yeah it does have that beeping prob when you cold boot... solution: dont ever turn your computer off :) as it works fine with warmbooting (reset)
but yeah its ****es you off when it does that and you have to reset the cmos...
wtf does my board have to do with msi? its intel 850 chipset and an Abit board.
BZMeRLiN
01-16-02, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Maggot
That's an MSI chipset, I think. Is that where the lockdown magic is- in the chipset?
This would seem such a great feature for OC, I wonder why it hasn't generated much buzz.
I *also* wonder if the Northwoods with 533 FSB
will be less OCable than the current 400s, just as
the CuMine B series ("933/133" etc) sucked.
I would completely expect that to be the case. Better to get one now and jack it to 133 than to wait for the 133s and have nowhere to go (and have to pay the premium to get them).
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