Very inmportant question!... I think..

[The flaming Cow]

Okay, a guy I know at school just told me that pentium's are far better to overclock cause AMD chips will always overheat. Is this true? or can you overclock AMD chips just as easily, because I would rather not have to purchase INtel unless I have to. So, little help please!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[KaHNZa]

I would think this should go into like General Hardware or something. BUt anyway. If you have a good heatsink an AMD is better. An Athlon will do more calculations per clock cycle.

[Ridenow]

Welcome to the forum!

You will proponents of both brands here. Your friend is both right and wrong. Current AMD chips do run hotter, but with proper cooling can often overclock more. They have more options to tweak than Intel's chips. AMD processors also run on a faster bus, 133MHz, VS Intel's 100MHz.
FYI, my family owns stock in AMD:D

Just so you learn a little about this forum:
We like to keep things sorted by catagory. New people are given a lot of leeway and this question is pretty general. I suspect the moderators will leave it here for a while and then move it to "debates".
I also noticed that you posted the question twice. If you open the second one there is an edit button in the lower right corner of your post. Press it and another window comes up. In that window at the top is the option to delete. Since you are the thread starter it will delete the whole thread.

[Jeniva]

IMHO, Amd is better..Ive had Intel's and now I have AMD's..as you can see in my sig...so far, Im an AMD fan :D

[The flaming Cow]

OKay, thanks. i had noticed I had accidentally posted it twice, but I wasn't sure how to delete it, so I'll go do that right away. Other than that I'll try to keep my posts in the proper category as well.

I'm glad to hear that with proper cooling you can still overclock an AMD, i was kinda worried for a bit. I am right now a mac user, but if I get a PC, It won't be intel for sure now.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

You go you crazy little cow,
If all goes well you'll be able to see how my AMD overclocking experience goes. I'm voting AMd on this one, but I don't know a fat lot of anything.
Who was it told you?

[The flaming Cow]

Some guy from a grade up of me, Luc. He thinks he's pretty techno savvy. I told him that with proper ventilaiton it wouldn't be much of a problem. But he insisted that AMD's always overheat, even with numerous fans and a good heatsink. I was loathe to believe him, so i decided to get people's opinions here.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Dissolved]

well i havent read every post here, so sry if this has been said but
amd seems to be 200~400 mhz faster in benchies then inel..
i mean the amd 200+ is only 1.666 or 1.67 (not to sure which) and its faster or equal to the northwood p4 2ghz.. so id go with amd and a good cooling method.. ;)

[jazztrumpet216]

Yes, AMDs do have a tendency to overheat, but with proper cooling it's not a problem, like you said. As you can see by my sig I'm an Intel fan but I've worked on AMDs too... my gf has an AMD system she built herself, but she didn't know a thing about OCing til she met me, and now her T-Bird 1.4 is somewhere around 1.6 last I checked (thanks to me, of course... :D ). But I digress, I don't think either's so much better than the other, they both have their strong spots. Right now, AMD probably has a better overall processor, though I haven't used a Northwood yet. I run Intel in my 2nd computer because it's in my bedroom and I don't want 5 bazillion fans keeping me up all night, and my 1st rig is Intel because I wanted a Dell... I wanted a main computer I could keep all my important stuff on that I wouldn't be tempted to overclock. I'm probably gonna tear the guts out of my other rig next spring or summer and I'm debating wether or not to go Athlon XP or Intel Tualeron. But I have plenty of time to decide that.

EDIT: Ridenow: Intels DO have 133MHz system bus. The Northwood 2.26GHz will be debuting on a quad pumped 133MHz bus, and many P3's have the 133MHz bus flavor as well, starting out with the P3 600EB.

[Ridenow]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow
Some guy from a grade up of me, Luc. He thinks he's pretty techno savvy. I told him that with proper ventilaiton it wouldn't be much of a problem. But he insisted that AMD's always overheat, even with numerous fans and a good heatsink. I was loathe to believe him, so i decided to get people's opinions here.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

Send him our way, we will set him straight.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Ridenow


Send him our way, we will set him straight.

heh, i read what he said, but i didnt even catch it..
i guess im just slow today..
but he really doesnt have a clue what hes talking about..
reminds me of a few ppl i use to talk with on aim "lol"

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to eventually building my own system, but thatis unlikely to be for many, many months. Therefore I have plenty of time to start making choices about processor. I do admit I am somewhat reticent to get an Intel, because I am a mac user, and get a pentium seems like almost a total about face. I'm glad to hear that AMD is still a good choice, I doubted mainly on the fact that he himself had no personal experience overclokcing an AMD, or anything else for that matter, and simply claimed that this was "common knowledge".

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow
Yeah, I'm looking forward to eventually building my own system, but thatis unlikely to be for many, many months. Therefore I have plenty of time to start making choices about processor. I do admit I am somewhat reticent to get an Intel, because I am a mac user, and get a pentium seems like almost a total about face. I'm glad to hear that AMD is still a good choice, I doubted mainly on the fact that he himself had no personal experience overclokcing an AMD, or anything else for that matter, and simply claimed that this was "common knowledge".

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

well if your not gonna oc, and youd like a a bigger number on ur cpu and wanna spend about 300 more dollars, then id say buy an intel ;)
if you dont wanna spend so much, wanna oc, and want better benchmarks, then go amd...
but this is always a debate.. so its more up to personal prefence.. and what you want in terms of motherboard features, and so on..

[Phugbox]

MUAHAHA my friend the Mac user will soon revert to the dark side, the PC.
He'l get a chance to see my new AMD in action by this time next week or so. Then he'll see it overclock

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
MUAHAHA my friend the Mac user will soon revert to the dark side, the PC.
He'l get a chance to see my new AMD in action by this time next week or so. Then he'll see it overclock

im sure it'll blow his mind ;)

[Phugbox]

it will, you hear that flaming cow, you'll see some AMD in action soon

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
it will, you hear that flaming cow, you'll see some AMD in action soon

hehe :rolleyes:
maybe we'll flame some nice tbones up for us ;)
(ok, i know i cant make jokes lol )

[Phugbox]

wants me some nice flame grilled steak.

GAH! steak! drool

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
wants me some nice flame grilled steak.

GAH! steak! drool

bahh im tired of steak.. my mom makes it so darn much..
its like all we ever have is steak or chicken..

[Phugbox]

how I envy you

[flounder43]

intel: cool, stable
amd: hot, more fun, dangerous.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
how I envy you

lol..
i wouldnt mind having a brother.. j/k :D

its aight.. usualy just tbones.. so its not always good steak, just ok..
our oven broke.. so thats all my moms been making, but after we got it fixed about 3 weeks ago, shes been overcooking my steaks/food :(
so i guess the oven had some hard affect on her cooking for some reason..

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by flounder43
intel: cool, stable
amd: hot, more fun, dangerous.

amd:cheaper
intel:ripoff

;)

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, steaks are a delight best enjoyed in moderation. Otherwise you can get tired of it. and I never want that to happen to me.

Yes, I will soon see AMD in action, by watching the computer not boot up! =P But seriously, I'm looking forward to eventually building my own PC. But I will Always, ALWAYS own at least one mac at the same time. For ever and ever! so say I.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

good on you bro

[flounder43]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow
Yeah, steaks are a delight best enjoyed in moderation. Otherwise you can get tired of it. and I never want that to happen to me.

Yes, I will soon see AMD in action, by watching the computer not boot up! =P But seriously, I'm looking forward to eventually building my own PC. But I will Always, ALWAYS own at least one mac at the same time. For ever and ever! so say I.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

That Mac is for comic effect, right? Actually I have been studying mac's cooling efforts, do you know why the Imacs have that unique streamlined shape?

[Phugbox]

why is that?

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by flounder43


That Mac is for comic effect, right? Actually I have been studying mac's cooling efforts, do you know why the Imacs have that unique streamlined shape?

no, but id like to find out?

[The flaming Cow]

no way! I would sue my mac for all my graphical needs. My Pc would be for business, and my games too. I doubt that the mac would ever be used for nought but decoration in my house! I would use it for such excellent programs as resedit, and I would surf the net with it too. Cause I LOVE MACS!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

I ain't got nothing against macs, I just have something against the lack of lots of good games for mac

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
I ain't got nothing against macs, I just have something against the lack of lots of good games for mac

that and there isnt any appz for them either..

[flounder43]

Originally posted by Phugbox
why is that?

So when you throw it out the window, it reduces air resistance and hits the ground with maximum speed.
:D

[Phugbox]

lol. the advantage to streamlining

[The flaming Cow]

I ahve no idea why they look like that. More likely than not because It is just plain Styling!! Face it, macs are physically more attractive than PC's, but they don't have the necessary software to back up their nice hardware!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by flounder43


So when you throw it out the window, it reduces air resistance and hits the ground with maximum speed.
:D


lmao.... thats a good flame.. :mad:
so why do they use plastic? and why the weird bight colors for? ;)

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow
I ahve no idea why they look like that. More likely than not because It is just plain Styling!! Face it, macs are physically more attractive than PC's, but they don't have the necessary software to back up their nice hardware!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

macs dont rule out a nice modded pc :)

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, must say A modded Pc can be pretty darned sweet! I can admit that Macs have some shortcomings, cause I am an open-minded guy. I have tried to stop dissing PeeCee's to no end. But I still hold the right to viciously mock Microsoft.

-The Flaming Mac :mad:

[Phugbox]

it's allways fun this way

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow
Yeah, must say A modded Pc can be pretty darned sweet! I can admit that Macs have some shortcomings, cause I am an open-minded guy. I have tried to stop dissing PeeCee's to no end. But I still hold the right to viciously mock Microsoft.

-The Flaming Mac :mad:

yea M$ is money hingry... but i still like them.. im just to lazy to learn linux or *nix as some ppl say

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, I want a nice linux OS on my system I'm thinking, rather than Windoze. Maybe a dual boot system so i can play my games too.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

well, as you may know bob, my box will be a dual boot

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, i know. and I am looking forward to getting to try it out once you ahve it up and running. Heck, I'm looking forward to being there when you get it up and running!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
well, as you may know bob, my box will be a dual boot

what main os u gonna use?
id use xp or 2k and then linux..

[Phugbox]

well, I'ma stick with Win 98, ess issues for me to deal wityh, they've been dealt with and people understand it.

but I'll use linux, and my boot manager will probably boot me into winders, just because most of what I'll be doing is games

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
well, I'ma stick with Win 98, ess issues for me to deal wityh, they've been dealt with and people understand it.

but I'll use linux, and my boot manager will probably boot me into winders, just because most of what I'll be doing is games

well if you use a 3rd party bootware, ur pc will have a very slow boot time

[dreadlord79]

As I replied in one of the other strings having to do with Mac Vs. PC: Mac's are good for video and music editing because most of the best Pro-Tools are on it. PC's on the other hand are good because you can play GAMES! PC's are also some open format allowing the AMD Vs. Intel or the ATI Vs. NVidia debates; which while not really productive; but are really entertaining! :D I really don't like the look of the IMac but love the look and functionality of the G4 case. If the case manf. would put out a good case with the same mechanics as that case, I would buy one is a second! Can you imagine not having to dig through your case, but just opening it and being able to swap out what ever parts needed to be swapped?!

[Phugbox]

if i end up using Caldera's version of linux I may just use their bootmanager instead, and let it do whatever it wants, if I want winders I'll just make sure I'm there while it boots

[Silver]

Originally posted by Dissolved
well i havent read every post here, so sry if this has been said but
amd seems to be 200~400 mhz faster in benchies then inel..
i mean the amd 200+ is only 1.666 or 1.67 (not to sure which) and its faster or equal to the northwood p4 2ghz.. so id go with amd and a good cooling method.. ;)

Here, print this out and ask your intel friend to run sisoft 2002 on his. Do remember this is only an xp1600 (1.4GHz). Nice thing having some of the microsoft revision recognized in the new Sandra.

[Phugbox]

Intel Eliteists can be funny especially when Ther clueless as to what they are talking about and think they can confuse you with big words, like MMX. MMX is a big word so some of these people

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Phugbox
Intel Eliteists can be funny especially when Ther clueless as to what they are talking about and think they can confuse you with big words, like MMX. MMX is a big word so some of these people

lol.. :beer:

[Phugbox]

I'm glad my wry dry humour got through to someone.
There are days when I'm being clever or so I think, but then I've become too clever, especially for the person I'm talking to, this lead s them to say "WHA?1" at which point I've allready forgotten what I've said. Too clever for my own good.

i am Clever.... Like snail

I used to think Intel was Da bomb, and I have to say i like Blue man group, but for their own sake's, not intels

[The flaming Cow]

Yeah, intel is definately pretty sad. My friend has an pentium 1 Ghz chip, but says he doesn`t want to overclock it, cause he doens't think he can get more that an extra 50 Mhz. Even if That was the only gain, I say go for it! It's his own system, not bad, but I think a bad choice in the CPU area on that one.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[foxforcefive]

AMD = great value
Intel = Paying for advertising

Hmmmmmm.....

[jazztrumpet216]

HEY! When did this turn into an Intel blasting session??? Pretty soon this is gonna have to be moved into debates! Anyway, I like my P3 1GHz chip just fine, as well as my P4! Jeez... to think I was a nice Intel guy and brought myself to say that AMDs weren't bad processors and now I'm getting flamed... :eek: Maybe I should've posted the comparison of AMD to a fart in the wind I got through e-mail the other day.... :D

Seriously though, you guys gotta lighten up. You'll live longer. There is no better overall processor, it's what you use it for and your own personal opinions that count.

P.S. I'm gonna remind you guys that the abbreviation "MMX" is exactly the same length as "AMD". Of course, this is just one "Intel Eliteist's" opinion....

[tbirdkiri]

heh.
welcome to the "Twighlight Zone"
where big brands are scoffed at and stock isnt good enough.

on another note: stay away from caldera. its probably the crapiest distro ive ever used.

and another: Just too prove that proper cooling can allow a good oc,
look at my sig.
thats all with aircooling.
albeit a very noisy delta is envolved, you could easily acheive similar goals with water cooling,
and you could probably do better, with alot less noise.

[tbirdkiri]

Originally posted by jazztrumpet216

P.S. I'm gonna remind you guys that the abbreviation "MMX" is exactly the same length as "AMD". Of course, this is just one "Intel Eliteist's" opinion....


and intel still calls there base line of processors "pentiums"
you'd think they would have dropped that @ the 686

[trulyred]

I have been around intel and their chip making plants , and had conversations with a few peeps about what they do, So let me say that there is alot of thought that goes into their designs and architechture on their chips. Not to say that amd dosn't do the same , I'm sure they do , but intels goal is not so much speed as it is rock solid stability. People who use intel pc's as part of the job, or business need that stability.
Not to say that amd chips are unstable ,quite the contrary ,they are as smooth as intel chips are, so I guess they just don't have the reputation that intel does. That may change in time, but lets face it intel has a much stronger marketing force. Add the reputation = larger market share.......just my .02 cents.....tr

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by tbirdkiri


and intel still calls there base line of processors "pentiums"
you'd think they would have dropped that @ the 686

What would they have called it, the "Sexium"??? lol

[The flaming Cow]

Originally posted by trulyred
Not to say that amd chips are unstable ,quite the contrary ,they are as smooth as intel chips are, so I guess they just don't have the reputation that intel does. That may change in time, but lets face it intel has a much stronger marketing force. Add the reputation = larger market share.......just my .02 cents.....tr

Yeah I agree with you there trulyred, Intel has a much better reputation among most people for chips. Alot of folk just look at an ad, see pentium III or whatever, and immediately assume it is a good computer. But I still believe that AMD makes excellent chips, and am fully planning to buy one.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[trulyred]

Originally posted by The flaming Cow


Yeah I agree with you there trulyred, Intel has a much better reputation among most people for chips. Alot of folk just look at an ad, see pentium III or whatever, and immediately assume it is a good computer. But I still believe that AMD makes excellent chips, and am fully planning to buy one.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:


no problem , I use amd myself and think it is a great chip. I was just making a couple of observations thats all..........

peace

tr

[Phugbox]

yeah don't worry, there's nothing wrong with intel eliteists as long as they can learn to deal with me. No intels are good chips, depending on what your doing, and likewise are AMD's. I don't know yet of the perfect chip, which is niether AMD no Intel. So, I'm keeping my mind open.

But really we should get back to the topic, Which I bleieve was

HELP FLAMING COW OC HIS MAC

[The flaming Cow]

hmmm yes, I would appreciate that. Even though I'm always up for a good debate! but an answer to my question would not necessarily be a bad thing IMHO! ;)

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

answers are very good things, and you usally get them here.

sorry couldn't resist.

Post #100 WHEEEEEEE!!!!---

ok that's enough--whee!

done

[The flaming Cow]

I'm only just over half as many posts as you Phugbox. Which isn't bad considering how little time I have been here. You had a big headstart, but I'm making good headway in catching up.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

I won't dignify that with a response!


AW CRUD MUFFINS, I just did didn't I?

oh well, :)

[The flaming Cow]

OOOH! You have reached the third star, as well as member status! *bow down* Oh well, I bet that last post was just to psh you over the edge to 3 stars. wasn't it?

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

nope, the post that does that says, yay, post #100,k and that's not that one

[The flaming Cow]

OK, ok. I guess so. I'll accept that. Anyways, on a completely different note, my frind recently got a new dell, and I want to try and get my hands on his old computer to try and overclock it. But i have no idea what it is!

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[Phugbox]

stacey? or someone else?

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by Phugbox
stacey? or someone else?

*COUGH* PAD FEST! *COUGH*

Seriously, we have e-mail and PMs. Use them before Shadow or another mod sees this thread and says the same thing I am. If one of them sees it, they'll just delete it anyway if it keeps going on like this.

[The flaming Cow]

OK, we're sorry! We'll stop. Hey phugbox, what'dya say we simply stop posting here unless it's for valid reasons, and let it slowly fade away! ok?

-The Flaming Cow :mad: