I think I know why NewEgg lists items as "See price in cart."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122835660256478297.html?mod=yhoofront

Read the entire article, but the part in question is mentioned about 3/4 of the way down under "Getting around MAP". They don't mention NewEgg, but it is too much of a coincidence. I've been wondering about that. Needless to say, that article has me a little steamed.

to NewEgg!

Stores have been doing this for years.

It predates internet shopping as well. Stores used to sell items so low that they "could not advertise it."

Article is messed up though. I did not know that manufacturers would punish someone for making more of their items sell....the manufacturer is not lowering the price the reseller is buying it for...

It's news to me. Seriously messed up on the manufacturers part.

NO this is not messed up. Let me tell you why.

They do it so the small guy can sell stuff just like the big guy. so joe over here wants to start a computer company. well newegg sees that joe is starting to take people from them so newegg undersells joe, when joe is just trying to get his too.

They do this also so everyone can make money. Lets take a paintball gun. (this is what I do for a living) A Tippmann A5 is mapped at 179.00. see people selling it for then less then that they are going below map and are not a authorized dealer.

Map is a good thing. Its not messed up at all.

I understand the good points of MAP, but in my opinion, the bad far outweigh the good. It flies in the face of a free market economy and is, actually, price fixing. How the Supreme Court saw otherwise is beyond me. The retailer sets the price. Compete or die.

Talk about an anticonsumerism

This idea destroys a free market.

If someone who is not an authorized dealer can sell for less than an authorized dealer,
how did they get the product at such a low price??? Taking into account its not counterfeit.

because MAP is not hte wholesale price.

I see the good point, but it is not successful. Otherwise Wal-Mart would not have been able to detroy so many mom and pop shops.

Wow, that is an amazing article. I was always thinking that they hid the price only to have you put it in a card so they could see what the customer was really looking at. And with DataMining, they could tell what you as customer 1818937920 was really looking at and later start shooting you ads in emails saying that items in that section are at a discount though what you were looking at is not what is on sale. It was just a way to for them to target you better. I see Amazon do it to me.

Look to all that say mapping is bad, how would this be seen in Political view? (i know this goes against the forums in a way but its to make a point.) So you want the people that make more money to pay more of the taxes, if you dont make as much you want to be able to get free or cheap health care, if you get hurt you want the government to help you out, you see (this i think is crap) the economy hurting and you want the government to help out, and you want big business to be held to a standard.

Its a socialist movement. Mapping is Socialism. making a fair playing field for everyone.

Neur0mancer no people destroyed mom and pop shops. I shop at my local computer store who is 10-30 bucks over what newegg is. do you? Its a Mom and pop shop.

Bottom line, people asked for mapping cause of companies like newegg, wal-mark, K-mart ect. They wanted a fair playing field.
People did not want to shop at the local mom and pop shop cause they could save a hole 5 bucks on a 100 dollar tap. Me my self I have not been to wal-mart or any place like that for a long time. I am willing to pay a little more for someone that will put up with my crap and help me out.
Its bull SH@#$ that newegg is going below map cause its hurting the smaller guy. How much are you really saving? How much local community are you hurting by going there?
Stop complaining bout how bad MAPPING is cause its people (as mean as this sounds) like you that asked for it.









Socialism

I thought it was for reasons so that the websites which find the cheapest product amongst a number of stores couldn't show it up.

hank123 said:

Its a socialist movement. Mapping is Socialism. making a fair playing field for everyone.

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Exactly! Thank you for confirming that! I HATE Socialism with the greatest of passions!

I always hear about how Wal-Mart and other large retailers are killing the little guy. That is so absurd it's no longer funny. These "big" retailers started out as small retailers, mom and pop shops, but the owner had an actual business plan. A GOOD business plan. Because of it they grew. The dying mom and pop shops are dying because they have been doing the same thing, badly I might add, for decades and have been getting by by the skin of their teeth the whole time. They are dying now because of their own stupidity. If they knew anything about business or economics to start with they would be the Wal-Marts of today.

As I said earlier, compete or die.

MarkS said:

Exactly! Thank you for confirming that! I HATE Socialism with the greatest of passions!

I always hear about how Wal-Mart and other large retailers are killing the little guy. That is so absurd it's no longer funny. These "big" retailers started out as small retailers, mom and pop shops, but the owner had an actual business plan. A GOOD business plan. Because of it they grew. The dying mom and pop shops are dying because they have been doing the same thing, badly I might add, for decades and have been getting by by the skin of their teeth the whole time. They are dying now because of their own stupidity. If they knew anything about business or economics to start with they would be the Wal-Marts of today.

As I said earlier, compete or die.

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You say you hate it, well how would you feel if it got big enough that Wal-Mart or some other huge company took over the place you work at? What do you think would happen if Wal-Mart got so bad that almost everything you ever wanted to buy or any job you wanted to have, you had to work for Wal-Mart.

How much money you make, how far up the ladder you climb is always going to be dictated by the company Wal-Mart.

Oh here's a fun thought. You say that small business are suffering because of how "stupid" they are. I'm sorry but Newegg and companies like that are established at a point that they can get into pricing wars and lose hundreds of thousands of dollars to make sure they win. Even if small businesses have good "business" plans, they'll never have enough money to get to the point where they can do what Newegg does, unless PEOPLE BUY STUFF FROM THEM.

If my dad opens up a computer shop, let's pretend he has $25,000 to start. That's about what a basic "business loan" is. Let's say he saved up $10,000 on his own. That's a lot of money for a middle American man, even with a college education. So don't say things like, "You'll never succeed if you only save up that much". It's easy to say here in a message forum that you're stupid if you don't save up $500,00000000000000000000000 dollars before you start a business, but in the real world, $10,000 is a lot of money to save up.

After paying to open the business, paying for the name, insurance, parts and getting set up, he only has about $25,000 left, basically the loan. With that money, he has to do a few things: Advertise to get his company known, buy product from manufacturers and maybe hire a helper. $25,000 isn't a lot to buy parts. Intel's lowest bin price is by the 100,000. So he essentially, (without mapping), has to buy Intel processors off of Intel for the same price Newegg is SELLING them for. Now you're saying he needs a smart business plan. What smart business plan will get you out of selling product for the same price you BUY it for, when you still have the expenses to pay of having your business run, feeding your family AND trying to have enough money back to buy more product?

So you have to sell them $5-10 more than what Newegg charges, and make up for the difference with much better quality assurance.

Killing the little guy IS a bad thing. I'd rather have manufacturers sell products directly from their factories than having a monopoly middle-man.

Look at what Best Buy turned into because of them being PRETTY much the only big brand name for electronics. Have you seen a Good Guys lately? Neither have I.

hank123 said:

Look to all that say mapping is bad, how would this be seen in Political view? (i know this goes against the forums in a way but its to make a point.) <snip>

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MarkS said:

Exactly! Thank you for confirming that! I HATE Socialism with the greatest of passions!<snip>

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Essenar said:

I'm sorry, but your opinion doesn't spell good things for the future.

Killing the little guy is not an act of natural selection or something and socialism is a good thing. <snip>

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OKay guys, we all know the forum rules. Hank even pointed them out, but he went ahead and posted. You guys followed. While it's an interesting argument and I'd love to read more; this isn't the place for a debate on the political nature of MAP. It goes against the forum rules, of no political discussions. I recommend editing your post before a mod comes along.

Now we are free to discuss MAP and it's effect on us the consumer. We can talk about how it might hurt the little guy or it might be the savior to the little guy. What we can't do is make it political, keep it clean, keep it on the topic.

Now the fact that newegg does this is fine I guess, because we get slightly lower prices when they drop it below MAP, but it gets annoying to have to also click a few times to see the price. I wish they would have it sorted by lowest actual price, not by MAP prices. Like if I have it sort by lowest prices, I'd be fine if I knew that the one that is listed first is the cheapest, and the the second one isn't actually cheaper when I add it to cart.

Shelnutt2 it was used to point out something that people are blind to. That being things in a social structure.

Killing the little guy IS a bad thing. I'd rather have manufacturers sell products directly from their factories than having a monopoly middle-man.

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If they did that they would go out of business. This is a smart capitalist idea. More people to sell your products the more money you will make.
If you MAP everyone EVERYONE is on a fair playing field. This way the little guy can run a business.

I thought they did just because they thought the customer would be more likely to buy the product once it was in their cart.

I certainly didn't expect this to get political. Sorry about that. I just found it rather interesting and informative.

Anyway, thank you NewEgg! Great job!

Neur0mancer said:

Stores have been doing this for years.

It predates internet shopping as well. Stores used to sell items so low that they "could not advertise it."

Article is messed up though. I did not know that manufacturers would punish someone for making more of their items sell....the manufacturer is not lowering the price the reseller is buying it for...

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Wanted to point out that resellers like BBY will often actually sell far below cost on some items but be recouped by the manufacturer on things that you would normally have to use mail-in rebates for.

It's kindof cool really.

Also whoever called a reseller a monopoly... there's no real thing as a monopoly reseller, I encourage you to read up on a little company called Standard Oil. Now THERE's a monopoly.

I like this snippet...

If the seller isn't an authorized dealer -- for instance, a discounter that acquired the goods via a distributor -- NetEnforcers says other tactics are used to try to force a lowball price off the Internet. In these cases, they can allege that the discounter's use of the product's name or image constitutes trademark or copyright infringement, in an effort to force the seller to stop listing the discount.

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I don't know, isn't that... libel or something along those lines? Saying that this person is doing something bad, when in fact they aren't doing anything remotely related to it?

I will say that I agree with MAP, but it can also back fire just as easily. Where I worked, our competitor was the Internet because our clients would buy most of the computer components online. We simply couldn't compete. Our suppliers sometimes sold us PC components newegg was selling and we had to mark it up 10-15% to cover our overhead costs of running our business. However, the thing we excel at is customer service. With newegg, you have to ship your defective item and wait, unless you're a club member or something like that where you pay for premium service, they cross ship. Where I used to work for you got an exchange or refund right then and there. There was no waiting, and no premium customer service you had to pay for. That is what's good about buying local.

Newegg is kinda like the Walmart for PC components.

It still is a free market economy because the consumer is smart enough to shop around for the best deal. If I see an HDTV made by Sony sell for $1500 at Sears, but then see the same thing at Walmart priced at $1000, of course I'll get it at walmart. Even if the saving is $20 or $5. Every penny counts. That's all that matters.

MAP is anticonsumerism to help the little guy. Little guy wants to charge an extra 15% to cover overhead and the price of his brand new Corvette ... but unlike NewEgg, he only sells 10 units a month not 1000. So he need to spread his Corvette fee over 10 units which results in a higher price. If NewEgg can sell product A at $10 while SmallShop sells at $15, thats capitalism.

Steven-1979 said:

MAP is anticonsumerism to help the little guy. Little guy wants to charge an extra 15% to cover overhead and the price of his brand new Corvette ... but unlike NewEgg, he only sells 10 units a month not 1000. So he need to spread his Corvette fee over 10 units which results in a higher price. If NewEgg can sell product A at $10 while SmallShop sells at $15, thats capitalism.

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where do ya get that doo-doo? An extra 15%? I work for a mom-n-pop computer store, and i can tell you, there is no such thing as an extra 15% over newegg. To say that, your suggesting that the little guy is making 15% more profit than newegg. Thats bull. Very, very few things can we get cheaper than what newegg sells them for, and even then its nothing to brag about. And some things we can get cheaper at Newegg. Even a 15% profit margin wouldnt keep a store afloat, not with this nations tax burden. You'd be suprised at what disrtibutors, and newegg makes on parts (yes newegg is a distributor of sorts, they just sell to the public), its the little guy that doesnt make squat.

Lastly, aint no mom-n-pop shop owner gonna be able to afford a corvette selling computer parts. Its a daily struggle to compete because people gotta save that extra $5. Funny thing is, its those same people that want ya to be there to pull their arse out of the fire when they are in a bind, but they dont wanna support ya so you can be. They want you test their newegg bought parts, but cant understand why you gotta charge them for it. I could go on, and on. Appearantly, you've never been involved in a small computer business.