PS3 HOME is OUT on 12/11/08 [Archive]

sHape oF gReY

12-10-08, 07:54 AM

Should be interesting if this impacts Xbox Live at all, maybe they'll lower the price of subscription or provide more benefits for silver members.

I'm looking forward to a PS3 under my x-mas tree this season. Woman better come through!:bday:

EDIT:
Visitors and residents will be able to explore PlayStation Home with their avatar character and, thanks to Diesel, avatars can look great from the start with Diesel offering the latest men’s and women’s designer avatar clothing, with items ranging from free of charge to €1.50. So for those visiting PlayStation Home, they can dress their avatars in the latest jeans and jacket prior to getting out and about.

...wow.

FudgeNuggets

12-10-08, 08:01 AM

Sony can't hold a candle to LIVE regardless of how free it is if there is no content.

Red_LightRanger

12-10-08, 09:26 AM

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=587610
yur post lol
So whats the deal with home? Is it like sims er what?

GBH

12-10-08, 09:43 AM

I got the beta but never really explored it too much.

Maybe if I get a chance Ill really check it out now.

FudgeNuggets

12-10-08, 10:46 AM

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=587610
yur post lol
So whats the deal with home? Is it like sims er what?

Well seeing as how you retardedly cannot edit thread titles.......

Think more like SECOND LIFE instead of Sims

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-10-08, 03:56 PM

Shiggity

12-10-08, 05:58 PM

Right on my birthday :bday:

rainless

12-10-08, 06:40 PM

I was about to come make a thread for this. When I booted up Home today they had an announcement up that closed beta would be ending and open would start tomorrow. Also encouraged me to head over to the mall and pick up the free stuff they added before open. Wonder if that means it's exclusive?

Ohwell. I just hope I get to keep my Summer house. lol

Free stuff at the mall? I got some email about that, but I haven't logged into Home in a looooooooong time. Guess I better jump on it so I can snag the freebies!

Sony can't hold a candle to LIVE regardless of how free it is if there is no content.

What the hell are you talking about? First of all PSN is doing pretty damned good against LIVE... they've gotten a hell of a lot of people to switch over from the 360 to the PS3 in the past year exactly BECAUSE they're free and LIVE isn't.

Second: What exactly do you mean: "No content?"

Are you saying that the PS3 doesn't have any games? (They have practically the same library as the 360). Are you saying they don't have movies and shows? (They have MORE movies and shows than LIVE). Or are you saying they don't have as many arcade games. (This may be true... but they've got all the ones that count: SSF2HD, Bionic Commando Rearmed, etc, etc...)

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-10-08, 07:38 PM

Yeah Rain, some clothes for both male and female. They also have an estate lot and some furniture for your home. Chairs, sofa, ornaments, a light, ect. ect. Nothing I truly wanted, like a TV or pool table. lol

benbaked

12-10-08, 08:46 PM

Or are you saying they don't have as many arcade games. (This may be true... but they've got all the ones that count: SSF2HD, Bionic Commando Rearmed, etc, etc...)

Well, they don't have Uno, or Duke Nukem 3D, or Doom. :D

RaV3N

12-10-08, 09:36 PM

Sony can't hold a candle to LIVE regardless of how free it is if there is no content.

Live and the PS network both do the job, and there is alot of content on PS network aswell. I wouldnt say one is better then the other. But that 60 bucks for the live subscription could be up to 3-4 more game downloads instead of a payment each year.

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-10-08, 09:45 PM

Well, they don't have Uno, or Duke Nukem 3D, or Doom. :D

True gamers should already have this and not need it anyways. :P

no1stunna

12-10-08, 09:51 PM

i have the ps3 and the 360 and the 360 is way better online than the ps3

benbaked

12-10-08, 11:23 PM

Live and the PS network both do the job, and there is alot of content on PS network aswell. I wouldnt say one is better then the other. But that 60 bucks for the live subscription could be up to 3-4 more game downloads instead of a payment each year.

$50 a year actually, $40 with a 13-month prepaid card from many places online.

rainless

12-10-08, 11:56 PM

i have the ps3 and the 360 and the 360 is way better online than the ps3

The only thing LIVE has going for it now that the PS3 doesn't is the fact that the PSN's XMB is not yet completely functional online.

You can actually access a hell of a lot more functions and settings in-game with the PS3 than you can with LIVE... (going in and changing headset settings and other system settings while in-game... for example.)

...it's just that you can't access the MP3 player or the Chat function yet from the XMB.

Once you can do that (and more games start supporting trophies) then both online services will be completely identical.

GBH

12-10-08, 11:56 PM

Online for 360 is better i believe because you pay for it.

i dont mean the XMB though

rainless

12-10-08, 11:59 PM

Online for 360 is better i believe because you pay for it.

i dont mean the XMB though

How does paying for it make it better? (Makes me think of Amsterdam...)

GBH

12-11-08, 12:02 AM

rainless

12-11-08, 04:34 AM

I own and love my PS3 but every online game ive played on it always has lag and servers suck ect

360 always seemed to be quicker and better when playing online

take what i say with a grain of salt though because i dont own one and just play on one when im at a friends pad

That could have a hell of a lot more to do with your internet connection vs. your friend's internet connections (or your router vs your friend's router... your ethernet cable vs your friend's ethernet cable... etc.)

I've owned BOTH systems and used them both in this exact house AND elsewhere (including internationally) and there is zeeeeeeeeeero difference between how games perform in each system. So you can't just make a blanket statement like "360 is better online because you pay for it" without having both systems at your house (or at LEAST bringing your system to your friend's house).

I mean that simply holds no water.

FudgeNuggets

12-11-08, 07:13 AM

Free stuff at the mall? I got some email about that, but I haven't logged into Home in a looooooooong time. Guess I better jump on it so I can snag the freebies!

What the hell are you talking about? First of all PSN is doing pretty damned good against LIVE... they've gotten a hell of a lot of people to switch over from the 360 to the PS3 in the past year exactly BECAUSE they're free and LIVE isn't.

Second: What exactly do you mean: "No content?"

Are you saying that the PS3 doesn't have any games? (They have practically the same library as the 360). Are you saying they don't have movies and shows? (They have MORE movies and shows than LIVE). Or are you saying they don't have as many arcade games. (This may be true... but they've got all the ones that count: SSF2HD, Bionic Commando Rearmed, etc, etc...)

More movies and shows? Lay off the ganja man.

rainless

12-11-08, 09:46 AM

More movies and shows? Lay off the ganja man.

Dude... Have you SEEN that video tab on the Playstation Store?

Not to mention they're rumored to be partnering with... what's that place called... oh yeah BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO.

And they have the dark knight.

...maybe you should try some of this stuff I'm toking. :D

nightelph

12-11-08, 09:55 AM

Danggit, just formatted my PS3, its in the classies right now. I'd been really looking forward to Home.

RaV3N

12-11-08, 10:04 AM

Alot of people talk about lag on the PS3, 99.9% of them are all using wireless. It is a good thing but not always good for gaming. Plug a straight line in it just like you would on live and you should have no issues at all. People forget when they used xbox they werent using wireless. Its a big difference, its usually half the speed or less and alot of the online play has to do with the game developers.

More movies and shows? Lay off the ganja man.

These are gaming consoles not your TV's cable box, that stuff really isnt important and both of them are going to have it anyway.

zexmarquies01

12-11-08, 10:20 AM

People forget when they used xbox they werent using wireless. Big difference, its half the speed wireless.

Uh...what?

the PS3 uses 802.11b/g. B has a Bandwidth of 11Mbits, while g has a bandwidth of 54Mbits.

Since you said "half" then i have to naturally assume you are talking about 802.11g, since our regular Ethernet cables have a rated speed at 100Mbit.

now to the point...Where in the hell is someone connecting, and getting MORE than 54Mbit/s???? Who in the U.S.A even has more than 54Mbit connection?

My point is, Unless you are capping out the bandwidth of wireless, there shouldn't be any type of obvious difference between the two. Now naturally, this doesn't include interference, or crappy wireless cards, crappy wireless routers...etc. But then again, you only mentioned speed. Which speed alone would have pretty much ZERO influence on the actual connection speed you are getting with the PS3/360. since i doubt very many people have higher than a 54Mbit connection, not to mention, there aren't many servers out there that will broadcast at that speed either, the maximum bandwidth of each connection type is pretty much 100% moot.

Other variables would have to come into play to figure out why people are having slow connection speeds with the PS3. Crappy router, Crappy wireless card, interference, and the speed at which Sony's servers send you data. THOSE are the reasons people may be having speed problems. But max bandwidth speed isn't one of them ( until you have a server trying to send you data at more than 54Mbit/s. )

RaV3N

12-11-08, 10:27 AM

Well yea generally speaking most people dont have "the best" wireless router making it still not the best to use.

FudgeNuggets

12-11-08, 10:50 AM

Dude... Have you SEEN that video tab on the Playstation Store?

Not to mention they're rumored to be partnering with... what's that place called... oh yeah BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO.

And they have the dark knight.

...maybe you should try some of this stuff I'm toking. :D

pass the dutchie homes!

zexmarquies01

12-11-08, 11:39 AM

Well yea generally speaking most people dont have "the best" wireless router making it still not the best to use.

oh, i agree 100%. I honestly can't stand using wireless. I just tend to have too many problems. And if i'm not having any major problems, it's generally a bunch of minor annoyances.

Mainly to do with either a router that doesn't have good range, or a crappy wireless card that sucks so bad, it has connection/lag problems even when it's in the same room at the wireless router.

Then there's interference...If the computer/laptop/Console is in a different room than the wireless router ( which is often the case ), depending on what material is in the walls, what other electronic devices are in the way...etc..You may end up with 50% signal strength or less, even if you are using a decent wireless router.

Wireless has it's uses. I just tend not to use it. Though, i do use it on my PS3, as it's one less wire i have to rout around this already wired-cluttered room of mine. :D ( and i have yet to have any problems with my PS3. But then again, my PS3 is sitting about 4 feet away from the router. So that helps. )

FudgeNuggets

12-11-08, 12:22 PM

The PS3 does fine for network play but is incredibly slow on dowloads and system updates. Hopefully I can download this to a CD or flash drive. Otherwise 3GB may take this thing all night long. I'll know at about 6pm......

rainless

12-11-08, 12:46 PM

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-11-08, 12:59 PM

I think you're a bit late Rain, I can't connect to Home so I think Closed Beta is officially done.

FudgeNuggets

12-11-08, 01:41 PM

I still gotta login for that free stuff before the beta is over.

Busy, busy busy...

Hopefully I can download it tonight. Word is that the PSN can't handle the traffic and has tanked :(

YOO

12-11-08, 02:56 PM

HOME is up now under playstation store. downloading.............

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-11-08, 03:02 PM

I just connected to the PSN to start my free Qore download. Also, it looks like it may be open, I'm connecting to it now.

Edit: Getting "Connection to server lost" messages, maybe it's not fully up.
Edit edit: I'm reading that it is apparently happening to people who enter their homes. Unfortunately, I logged out while at my house so I'm stuck until the house servers are up or something.

Edit edit edit: I'm connected... for now. DUN DUN DUN.
Edit edit edit edit: Didn't last long. My Summer House is apparently up, but not my Harbor Studio.

FudgeNuggets

12-11-08, 06:51 PM

The download was small and fast 77MB, but it reserved 3GB of HDD. Can't connect to the Home Servers though :/

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-11-08, 10:34 PM

Apparently they're still working out kinks. I got on for a while and figured the house situation was dealt with and got booted. Closed beta had limited access, they knew what they were dealing with. But with every person going on at once, they got iron out anything that pops up.

Also, all the free stuff I got during closed beta costs.45 to .99 now. Glad I jumped on, but now I feel bad for Rain. lol

FudgeNuggets

12-12-08, 07:26 AM

Ok, I got on. I'm going to reserve judgement until they get more content. Right now it's like a better looking SecondLife.

I wanted to put a hoodie on my avatar and I found one in a store for $0.50 REAL money. Sorry, but I'm not spending real cash on virtual dude.

I played some billiards, it was ok if a bit simplistic.

I played a game sort of like Portal but a lot more simplistic.

I tired to play bowling and some Pengo like game but could never find a free lane/machine, WTF? waiting in line for a virtual game? I may as well get in my car and head down to the bowling alley.

I watched some hot asian chick on a giant screen in the mall give some previews of up and coming games.

The load times are a bit slow but that is no different than Second Life. I got bored with Second Life in seconds. Hopefully Home will be a lot better.

razorseal

12-12-08, 06:17 PM

wtf? I go to the mall and all these other places and it just says retrieving scene information, and stays stuck there.... anyone else having the same prob?

rainless

12-12-08, 07:34 PM

So the real one is out? Wonder if I have to delete the beta to get the real one... Hmm...

Better get my FREE HOODIE from the mall first... :p

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-12-08, 10:40 PM

No, closed beta people get an update when they log on and then it's done. I don't think you can get free stuff anymore, I checked the shops and everything has a price tag on it. I'm glad I got my five dollar summer home for free. lol

Cheator

12-14-08, 11:44 PM

Anyone who says PSN and Xbox Live are the same isn't playing both. XBL while paid for (and I think thats stpid) is MUCH better. I'll never play Online games with my PS3 again.

Is it just me or is there way too much hype for SecondLife PS3 edition? This is the dumbest concept I've ever seen... really.. its like they're 5 years late to the party but they don't know it.

FudgeNuggets

12-15-08, 09:09 AM

Golden Monkey

12-15-08, 11:48 AM

Downloaded Home......Meh. I prefer XBL.

The PS3 is a great Blu-Ray player but Sony needs to start thinking about their next gen console because they've lost this round. The PS3 is still too expensive and it still doesn't have any exclusives that can sell a bunch of consoles for Sony. Look at what Halo 3 and Gears 2 did for the 360.

This article is right on the money.... http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+Sales+Double+PS3+Sales+as+Sony+Remains+Bl ind+to+Reality/article13677.htm

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 360 fanboy. I own both systems and like both of them. Sony just seems to have some real idiots running the show. How could they have screwed up so bad after all they had built with the PS1 & PS2? I just don't see the PS3 being a force in this round of the console wars.

Ebola

12-15-08, 12:16 PM

I think the same thing happened with the PSP. They promised awesome and forgot to deliver. Final Fantasy Crisis Core came out about 2 years too late. Metal Gear Acid was stupid. What next. It wouldn't surprise me if Square didn't release FF13 till 2011 or later.

RPGs pretty much made the PS what it is and once again they make a system with no RPGs. Pretty lame.

FudgeNuggets

12-15-08, 01:24 PM

I still fail to see how the PS2 was so beloved. Aside from the controllers, I liked the Xbox and GameCube better.

Ebola

12-15-08, 02:24 PM

PS2 had tons and tons of great RPGs. FF12 was epic. I think you're off in your own world here.

FudgeNuggets

12-15-08, 11:05 PM

PS2 had tons and tons of great RPGs. FF12 was epic. I think you're off in your own world here.

Not everybody like RPGs

Trombe

12-15-08, 11:30 PM

I still fail to see how the PS2 was so beloved. Aside from the controllers, I liked the Xbox and GameCube better.

Not everybody like RPGs

Your opinion doesn't matter as much as you think it does. The PS2 has taken a solid position as the #1 console in history, whether or not you personally liked it, and the Final Fantasy games (among others) had a massive amount to do with that.

rainless

12-15-08, 11:50 PM

PS2 had tons and tons of great RPGs. FF12 was epic. I think you're off in your own world here.

He's been off in that world a LOOOOOOONG time now. :)

They sold a hundred BILLION of those things... and trillions of pieces of software... and he still refuses to admit that the console was a success.

The sheer VARIETY of titles available for the PS2 is staggering. I've still got my old, fat PS2 (with a hard drive in it) and there are still games I can play *now.*

Action/Adventure games like Resident Evil 4 (which I still have to finish). RPGs that I didn't even start yet. Half the games out for next-gen systems are also out for PS2 (Mercs 2, Lego Batman, all the Guitar Hero and Rockband stuff). Damn-near the whole King of Fighter's collection.. Pick ANY genre... they have a game for it on the PS2... including some of the best games of all time in those genres (*Cough*ESPN 2k5*Cough*) And with all that it was STILL cheaper than the Xbox (and a hell of a lot less heavy and ugly.)

THAT's why the PS2 was such a success. For all those reasons and a few dozen more. That's why the original xbox and the gamecube are completely extinct and the ps2 is STILL selling... today. (Guitar Hero World Tour, Rockband 2, Madden 09, and a slew of new releases out for the next gen systems are still coming out for PS2... talk about staying power...)

...what the hell any of this has to do with PS3 Home is beyond me... but I can't just let Fudgeman's nonsensical quips go unanswered. :p

FudgeNuggets

12-16-08, 06:57 AM

Your opinion doesn't matter as much as you think it does. The PS2 has taken a solid position as the #1 console in history, whether or not you personally liked it, and the Final Fantasy games (among others) had a massive amount to do with that.

Maybe it doesn't but that doesn't mean I can't question it. Just because something was popular amongst the populous doesn't mean it was the best thing. I mean I think I recall reading somewhere that in the 1930s Adolph Hitler was extremely popular and beloved in Germany and now it is a crime to say his name. That's the problem with society in general these days, we have no free thinkers any more.

rainless

12-16-08, 08:17 AM

Maybe it doesn't but that doesn't mean I can't question it. Just because something was popular amongst the populous doesn't mean it was the best thing. I mean I think I recall reading somewhere that in the 1930s Adolph Hitler was extremely popular and beloved in Germany and now it is a crime to say his name. That's the problem with society in general these days, we have no free thinkers any more.

You should know as well as anybody you're in the wrong place for "free-thinking" :p

Cheator

12-16-08, 10:06 AM

Maybe it doesn't but that doesn't mean I can't question it. Just because something was popular amongst the populous doesn't mean it was the best thing. I mean I think I recall reading somewhere that in the 1930s Adolph Hitler was extremely popular and beloved in Germany and now it is a crime to say his name. That's the problem with society in general these days, we have no free thinkers any more.

Thats a little melodramatic don't you think? We're not stopping you from questioning it but whats to question? It still sold many more units than ANY system. Nothing can change that.

blueswitch

12-16-08, 10:14 AM

I'll agree with Fudge, technically I don't think the PS2 was that good of a system at all...but Sony was great at marketing the thing, that and I think it really lived off the success of the PS1 which was a great system and a lot of people were going to buy the next playstation based on their experiences with the PS1....which also helped Sony line up that vast ocean of content which just increased the PS2's popularity. Heck I remember when Dreamcast was still competing and everything that came out for both systems the Dreamcast version looked better and I think the Dreamcast probably could out gun the PS2 on tech muscle....but that didn't matter....just like it doesn't matter now with the Wii....I bought one..and I haven't hardly bought any games for it after the first 6 months....but it continues to dominate...and it's the low guy on the totem pole from a technical perspective....and it doesn't even have any good games...

Oh back on thread..yeah PS home...it just seems like a lost vision....since the first previews it always looked like Sony had this second life type of environment with no real focus on why people would want to interact with their PS3 in that way.

rainless

12-16-08, 10:30 AM

Oh back on thread..yeah PS home...it just seems like a lost vision....since the first previews it always looked like Sony had this second life type of environment with no real focus on why people would want to interact with their PS3 in that way.

They should've released Home a loooooong time ago and built it up from there... Like they did with their XMB.

The XMB had almost NO functionality when released... but now they're only a few steps from being able to do everything Xbox Live can do... including achievements.

They just added features over time and it worked out quite well for them. They could've done the same with Home.

I've been in the Home beta FOREVER... and it hasn't changed... practically not at all. Which is unfortunate.

EDIT: And the PS1 was GARBAGE. The Saturn was a superior system that was handled by morons.

FudgeNuggets

12-16-08, 11:30 AM

I was hoping Home would be more than SecondLife, as it is, it's dumb. There's a FarCry2 area and another game area with nothing to do, the Bowling Alley has 3 pool tables, 5 bowling lanes and maybe a dozen arcade games. If all are taken up, then you wait your turn. How is this any fun? I'll drive 2 miles to my local bowling alley if I want to do that. At least there I can get some beer and good pizza.

blueswitch

12-16-08, 11:57 AM

EDIT: And the PS1 was GARBAGE. The Saturn was a superior system that was handled by morons.

It was always my understanding that the PS1 just happend to be more adept to processing 3D graphics...and shortly after those systems were released was when 3D graphics started to take stage and PS1 just happend to be better at handling 3D...Saturn was built specifically for crunching sprites.

..that and Sega kinda shot themselves in the foot with their loyal Genesis fans by making so much bolt on garbage for it..then hardly turning out any games for their add-on's..to just turn around and releasing a new console.

technoViking

12-16-08, 12:24 PM

I heard the PS3 was soney's 10 year system if so yah....don't expect anything soon

deathman20

12-16-08, 12:33 PM

I heard the PS3 was soney's 10 year system if so yah....don't expect anything soon

Just heard? They mentioned something about that nearly a year ago.

Yeah what they say and what they do is 2 different things, its just a question of what will really happen in the long term. Hopefully they keep on treking, gotta keep competition in this arena.

Golden Monkey

12-16-08, 01:03 PM

I'll bet what this guy is saying is close to the truth....

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/045/1050045/why-sony-can-t-kill-the-ps3

FudgeNuggets

12-16-08, 01:12 PM

I'll bet what this guy is saying is close to the truth....

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/045/1050045/why-sony-can-t-kill-the-ps3

I agree, the people who really wanted one already have it and the people who were looking at a way into Blu-Ray and don't really care about the games will be buying the now cheaper stand alones. Bottom line is that Sony has repeatedly shot themselves in the foot with the PS3 and the latest instance is not dropping the price by $100 before 11/25/08

Cheator

12-16-08, 01:16 PM

It will take a long time for them to drop the price on this puppy. They have too much money riding on it, I think. With the PS2, it was powerful for it's time, but it was relatively cheap with R&D and parts. No dice on the PS3 though... price won't drop fast enough, and MS will ALWAYS be one step ahead in every way, like they already are now.

I bought a PS3 for the upscaling DVD player, Blu-ray, and games. But I'm not the average joe they are looking for.

Angel-of-Sorrow

12-16-08, 03:58 PM

I stopped reading here.
"and the only thing it has going for it is the Blu-Ray player."

Kenshiro

12-17-08, 02:56 PM

I used to have lagging issues with my PS3, but that was a router problem, not the PS3. I seriously don't really know what people are talking about lagging when running games in a wireless network. My PC and PS3 are all running wirelessly, and I don't have that problem. I only notice lagging when there is a lousy "HOST".

The fact that is hurting PS3 is the price point. Take note "PRICE POINT". PS3 is actually very cheap for what you are getting. Price point of $400 is in fact, looks a little high for most people. However, it really amaze me to see people having no problem paying $400 - $600 for just a video card, and then complain that $400 for a PS3 is expensive.

Xbox360 did better because it is release earlier into the market. Also, they are also smart to have different price point, $200 - $450. Also, they excluded one of the features like wireless ($99 option). Just like buying a car. Same car can cost you $20000 for the base, or $30000 for top of the line. Sometimes people forget to add the cost of Xboxlive into the final price they pay. It's a marketing gimmick and it did work well.

deception``

12-17-08, 03:15 PM

Live is not a marketing gimmick - you only pay if you feel the need to. There are a lot of people with 360's that only like SP or simply don't care to play online.

Live is only an added cost if you want it to be, and even then it's pretty cheap. At most, it's a little over $4 a month; usually it can be found for less than $40.

Regardless, Live is seen as a good value for many [myself included]. Something is only priced too high if people aren't willing to pay for it - few people make qualms about paying for Xbox Live.

What you seem to not get is that people like choice - and many of us are willing to pay more to have it. I've had more out-of-pocket costs for my 360 by far, but only when I was ready to pay them. I bought the Wifi adapter - yes it's pricey, but not not every 360 owner has a need for it.

Choice...

deception``

ps2cho

12-17-08, 10:57 PM

I can't wait :)

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/puzzle/playstationhome/video/6202289/playstation-home-open-beta-launch-video-feature-2009?hd=1&tag=topslot;img;2

Great video!!!

Golden Monkey

12-18-08, 05:22 PM

AOTS was mocking Home last night. They bought their own place and invited people in to sit down on the furniture, wave and do the "cabbage patch" dance.

Good times....

nakatalee

12-18-08, 08:27 PM

FudgeNuggets

12-18-08, 08:47 PM

Lots of people keep mentioning about the price of PS3 like it cost 4K per system.

For that money, you are getting bluray player, game console, OS capable, wifi and bluetooth ready.

The w*lmart mentality is going to keep destroying this economy.....

Sorry but that argument doesn't tread water. The Wii is the highest selling unit at $250 and the 360 is in second place at $200. The PS3 is $150 more expensive than the cheapest unit and doesn't hold any tangible advantage to the casual gamer. The movie buff like myself will love the Blu-Ray, the techno buff will love the integrated HDD, Wifi and Linux OS but Joe Schmo could give a flying **** and will buy the 360 which is graphically equal or the Wii which is the more novel and casual-friendly item.

iaacp

12-19-08, 02:59 AM

How are any of you complaining about Home? It's the beta for goodness sake. A beta test, you know, those things that are released to the public to see how things run on a larger scale, prior to the commercial release. It's almost always unfinished, and needs some polishing. Yeah, that thing. The thread title is misleading, because Home is not out, but it's beta is.

Anyways, can we get back on topic instead of bashing Sony (not sure if that's possible in this games forum...)? The Diesel and Ligne Roset stores were released today, for euro only (supposedly). Any word on when its coming to the US Home?

FudgeNuggets

12-19-08, 07:10 AM

Google's Gmail is "beta too" :rolleyes:

Golden Monkey

12-19-08, 10:42 AM

I just don't get the whole concept. I don't want to spend real money for virtual clothes for an avatar. I want to play games, not walk around saying "Hi" to other avatars. Lame.

iaacp

12-20-08, 02:37 AM

I just don't get the whole concept. I don't want to spend real money for virtual clothes for an avatar. I want to play games, not walk around saying "Hi" to other avatars. Lame.

Oh, okay, then don't use it and stop hating it. Problem solved. You want games? Then play the arcade games, bowling, or pool, or wait for game launching. Or better yet, start a game up on a BD.

Home is a social tool to meet other gamers to play games with. If you don't want that, then fine, don't use it, and stop complaining... No ones forcing you to walk around saying "hi" to other people, so just stop.

deception``

12-20-08, 09:02 AM

Oh, okay, then don't use it and stop hating it. Problem solved. You want games? Then play the arcade games, bowling, or pool, or wait for game launching. Or better yet, start a game up on a BD.

Home is a social tool to meet other gamers to play games with. If you don't want that, then fine, don't use it, and stop complaining... No ones forcing you to walk around saying "hi" to other people, so just stop.

Don't be so sensitive. He tried home and he didn't like it - he's more than welcome to voice his opinion about it. Since when is a negative opinion automatically hate or flames?

I think we're well aware that Home is purely optional [the lack of integration is a little silly to me], but that doesn't mean that members cannot speak as to their experience(s).

That's what forums are all about...opinions and expressions.

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rainless

12-20-08, 09:20 AM

That's what forums are all about...opinions and expressions.

deception``

...no they aren't.

deception``

12-20-08, 09:59 AM

...no they aren't.

That's what they should be all about, then :) Who knew that we'd take something as trivial as video games so seriously...

deception``

rainless

12-20-08, 10:17 AM

That's what they should be all about, then :) Who knew that we'd take something as trivial as video games so seriously...

deception``

They have gamers on TELEVISION SHOWS nowadays. There are pro-gamer tournaments and about half a billion people playing World of Warcraft... I would've laughed ten years ago if you told me some dude named "Fata1ty", who's claim to fame was that he was pretty good at Quak 2 and Unreal Tournament, was making celebrity endorsements.

...nobody's laughing now. (Well... *I* am. Because it's still pretty damned ridiculous. Nowadays the only prerequisite to being an "athlete" is a family-sized bag of Cheetos and a reaaaaaaally expensive mouse.)

But yeah... it's not very surprising given the state of the union.

nakatalee

12-20-08, 02:11 PM

Sorry but that argument doesn't tread water. The Wii is the highest selling unit at $250 and the 360 is in second place at $200. The PS3 is $150 more expensive than the cheapest unit and doesn't hold any tangible advantage to the casual gamer. The movie buff like myself will love the Blu-Ray, the techno buff will love the integrated HDD, Wifi and Linux OS but Joe Schmo could give a flying **** and will buy the 360 which is graphically equal or the Wii which is the more novel and casual-friendly item.

Who cares about Joe Schmo? Joe Schmo only cares about six packs and burning smokes..... unfortunately, it may take millions of years for Joe Schmo to catch up, maybe through hundreds of cycle of evolutions.....sad.

deception``

12-20-08, 02:46 PM

Who cares about Joe Schmo? Joe Schmo only cares about six packs and burning smokes..... unfortunately, it may take millions of years for Joe Schmo to catch up, maybe through hundreds of cycle of evolutions.....sad.

Companies care about Joe Schmoe, that's who. Like it or not, but sales of a massively-marketed goods or service as based on the average consumer, not smaller [and less important] niche groups. At the end of the day, I'd imagine that all three companies care more about the dollars that the average buyer will bring in versus keeping a small contingent of forum-hoppers and videophiles happy.

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Golden Monkey

12-21-08, 07:02 PM

Don't be so sensitive. He tried home and he didn't like it - he's more than welcome to voice his opinion about it. Since when is a negative opinion automatically hate or flames?

I think we're well aware that Home is purely optional [the lack of integration is a little silly to me], but that doesn't mean that members cannot speak as to their experience(s).

That's what forums are all about...opinions and expressions.

deception``

Oh boy, I'm not fanning these flames. :rolleyes:

I'll just say I don't like the Home beta. Maybe it will evolve and become something worthwhile. We'll see...

It just ticks me off because I really wanted it to be THE console in this generation but it's just not shaping up that way. All the blame lies with the guys up top at Sony. If they could have improved online gaming on the PS3 a long time ago and lowered the price more the PS3 would probably be kicking the crap out of the 360. Instead we get Home way too late and they still want $400 for the cheapest model. It just boggels my mind.

FudgeNuggets

12-22-08, 07:34 AM

Oh boy, I'm not fanning these flames. :rolleyes:

I'll just say I don't like the Home beta. Maybe it will evolve and become something worthwhile. We'll see...

It just ticks me off because I really wanted it to be THE console in this generation but it's just not shaping up that way. All the blame lies with the guys up top at Sony. If they could have improved online gaming on the PS3 a long time ago and lowered the price more the PS3 would probably be kicking the crap out of the 360. Instead we get Home way too late and they still want $400 for the cheapest model. It just boggels my mind.

They've screwed themselves something hard. They're soundly in 3rd place and with their lauded "10 year plan" :rolleyes: MS is going to have a new system on the shelf in 2-3 years that makes the PS3's graphics look like the Wii. Their only hope is to concede defeat and have a PS4 out at the same time as the X3.

deception``

12-22-08, 07:50 PM

Oh boy, I'm not fanning these flames. :rolleyes:

I'll just say I don't like the Home beta. Maybe it will evolve and become something worthwhile. We'll see...

It just ticks me off because I really wanted it to be THE console in this generation but it's just not shaping up that way. All the blame lies with the guys up top at Sony. If they could have improved online gaming on the PS3 a long time ago and lowered the price more the PS3 would probably be kicking the crap out of the 360. Instead we get Home way too late and they still want $400 for the cheapest model. It just boggels my mind.

Easy there, I was actually defending you :)

And I personally consider home to be a massive waste of time, though I suppose that could very well change in the future. Still, the lack of integration and the second-life feel is just too much for me.

Hell, I thought that I'd hate the XBL Avatars, but I think they're just right - kinda out of the way and not in-your-face.

deception``

Golden Monkey

12-26-08, 12:02 PM

Easy there, I was actually defending you :)

And I personally consider home to be a massive waste of time, though I suppose that could very well change in the future. Still, the lack of integration and the second-life feel is just too much for me.

Hell, I thought that I'd hate the XBL Avatars, but I think they're just right - kinda out of the way and not in-your-face.

deception``

I know. I just didn't want to fan flames between you and iaacp. :)

Thanks!