pIII 1000E

[mikester]

i think ive asked this before, but i didnt get much of a response.

ive seen more people who have this chip, and id really like to know how it overclocks, and how does it compare to a 1000EB?

thanks.

[muddocktor]

They overclock much better than the cC0 stepping 1000EB procs, with overclocks ranging from the mid 1200's to around 1400 on the top end. Intel does have some cD0 steppings listed for a 1000EB; The S-spec codes for them are SL5DV/SL52R for the boxed retail and SL52R for the oem version. If you have really good memory, these procs would probably be the way to go and the increased memory bandwidth from the high fsb speeds would definitely help, provided your pci components can take the high pci bus speeds. It would also be a good choice for the Gigabyte GA-6OXET boards because they have a setting in the bios to adjust pci/agp speeds almost infinitely. Hope this helps you out.

[Yodums]

I like the EB better but it gets to 1.33 on regular basis. On average it gets to a higher speed but I think the EB will kill it as EB's get to 150fsb!...

So your looking about 133fsb out of the E's and possible of 140fsb with a very good cooling setup.

EB's your looking at 150 -155 or a little more.

Yodums

[mikester]

well i was going to get some PQI PC166 ram, and was taking a serious look at the Abit SA6(R) because ive been talking to some people, and they have routinely hit 190+ FSB with it and no problems with stability.

[muddocktor]

If you are going to buy a new motherboard, then you should get a Tualatin-capable motherboard such as the Gigabyte GA-6OXET or XET-C, Abit ST6, Asus TUSL-2 or Iwill BD133u. All these are socket 370 boards and will run Cumine or Tualatin processors.

[MaxFSB]

See my post in the other P3 1000E thread below for info regarding running a 1000EB in an older BX coppermine compatible board.

[mikester]

muddockter,

im not planning on upgrading to a tually, so i dont need a tually compatible board.

i dont want to dish out the extra cash just for tually support when im not going to use it, are there any other boards that have that same pci option as the gigabyte board? from what i could tell, people i know have acheived insane FSBs with the Abit SA6 (190+).

this is the last p3 upgrade ill make before i go either AMD XP or Intel P4.

thanks.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by mikester
muddockter,

im not planning on upgrading to a tually, so i dont need a tually compatible board.

i dont want to dish out the extra cash just for tually support when im not going to use it, are there any other boards that have that same pci option as the gigabyte board? from what i could tell, people i know have acheived insane FSBs with the Abit SA6 (190+).

this is the last p3 upgrade ill make before i go either AMD XP or Intel P4.

thanks.


190fsb+ are you sure about this? So that would be like a 100% overclock or something then?

Keep in mind just because they did it doesn't mean you can they're like 1 in 8294823048923 people then.

Yodums

[muddocktor]

I don't know what you can get that SA6 board for, but I just looked up the Gigabyte GA-6OXET-C board on pricewatch and Axion Technologies has them for $86. I don't call that a high-priced board. It is basically the same board as my XET board, except that it only has 3 dimm slots instead of 4, a single bios instead of the dual bios and uses the AC97 codec for onboard audio instead of the creative chip on the XET. It uses the same bios as my board so you have the same options for pci/agp dividers. I just bought from Axion before Christmas and they were real good, with prompt email shipping notification as soon as they shipped. They are the people that I got my XET board from.

[mikester]

Yodums,

i wouldnt say its that remote, but a people ive talked to have acheived very high fsbs with that board with many cpus. one of them had a 194 fsb on a 500e!!

muddockter,

i stand corrected. i forgot about that board, and that IS really cheap. ill be looking into that for sure now.

oh, and could you give me axion's URL plz? i tried www.axion.com but it didnt work as i thought it would.

thanks for the replies!

[Rick G]

Ability to get 190+ FSB?! What mobo has PCI and AGP clock dividers that could get their clocks down to a stable range? I'd be very interested.

[DaveB]

Try this! (http://www.axiontech.com)

[batboy]

The SA6 has a max of 1/4 PCI divider. I don't know what harddrive would run at 47.5+ speeds using 190+ FSB. I usually have trouble with my cards and drives if I try going over 40 on the PCI bus. The ST6 is the same exact motherboard as the SA6 except the ST6 has Tualatin support. I was thinking the ST6 was in the $85 range on pricewatch (not including shipping).

[Rick G]

I've had the same experience with my drive and adapters. I think I've read [somewhere] about a 1/5 or 1/6 PCI clock divider (don't remember which board), but I've not yet read or heard of a board with the same dividers for the AGP clock. Would be interesting to see how far I could push my cpu.

[Bond_]

mikester, go the 1000E, i've a 1000EB cpu and i can tell u that to get it around 1200Mhz is really hard, and this cpu is the one that gived lots of problems...When we talk about stability after oc'ed, to get it stable u got to put at an extra higher voltage :(, and sometimes not even that will work, u won't even get it to oc more than 7.5*153Mhz 1147Mhz @1.85v, without stability probs.
(one of the problems of this cpu is the high FSB speed 133Mhz compared to the E 100Mhz FSB...) on the other hand with the E, u will get easly around 1300Mhz @1.80v...

[mikester]

thats a very good point,

but i remember that SETI loves high FSBs, and the higher the FSB the better scores and overall performance you (supposedly) get.

hmm...this is a tuffy

[soil]

hi folks, just get my 1000E, see my sig;) :D

[muddocktor]

Yes, I just looked at your sig, nice overclock. I have 1 concern though, you show yourself as using a Gorb for cooling. What kind of temps are you showing? I think that you better invest in a better hsf than a Gorb to cool it with, specially at that high of a core voltage. I think that you might have problems not too far down the road because of heat. Basically, you can use just about any Athlon cooler. If noise doesn't bother you, the FOP38 would be cheap and should cool it well. If noise is a concern, then get a glaciator or a SK6 with a 30 cfm Delta(not the whiny, high pitched one) or a YS Tech or Sunon 26-27 cfm fan. I'm not familiar with your board; if it is a slot1 board then the Alpha PEP66T is also a real fine choice as it was make for running on slotkets. Anyways, enjoy the new proc.

[soil]

at 1350mhz@2.05V, case open, ambient temp about 20 degrees, the CPU is at 29 degrees celsius surfing. I used to have a JustCooler HS with a 80mm fan (like an inverted trapezoid) but there was some vibration, if I got the case closed, I have a 80mm fan hanging over the GoldenOrb. (the hanging 80mm fan makes 6 degrees difference) It was modified from a 120mm slot fan but a 120mm is just a bit noisy. I like the retention mechanism of the Golden Orb, it's a piece of art, you never need to use force, just a light click, and it is as tight as a ...:D This is particularly significant as once I scratched the MB circuits with a screw driver when fighting with the retention clips.

The hanging 80mm fan makes some noise but keep the CPU at 34 degrees with case closed and without an intake caase fan. I am thinking of drilling some holes on the case immediately above the 80mm fan and make a small duct (just a few cm long, I'm using desktop) to the fan. But wondering whether it will increase the noise.

And yes the hanging 80mm fan also blows at the north bridge chip, it gets pretty hot

Just put back the 80mm fan, with case opened, it becomes 26 degrees while surfing

[Pinky]

Golden orb at 2.05v ??? That's pressing your luck :p

Nice OC/setup, though!

[Pecos]

Yeah, from what I've seen, the GOrb has a difficult time cooling ice cubes...

Those temps seem incredibly low to me...too low.

[soil]

now 34 degrees celsius while surfing, with a 80mm fan (0.25amp)blowing at the Gorb and the north-bridge chip, closed case

without the 80mm fan the Gorb feels okay but the north bride heatsink (no fan) is impressively hot

Sisoft Sandra reports 38 degrees

[soil]

Originally posted by Pecos
Yeah, from what I've seen, the GOrb has a difficult time cooling ice cubes...

Those temps seem incredibly low to me...too low.

well I was quite surprised that people in every forum are damning the Gorb. To me the Gorb is not a super-cooler but it's a bit better than the small Intel stock fan. Didn't try the large Intel stock fan, a cap next to the socket blocks the spce.

The early temps were measured in open case, note the ambient temp: around 20 degrees...

[Pecos]

See what happens when you kick that CPU with Prime95 or F@H. The chip may 'idle' with really low temps, but I doubt that the GOrb can fight the loaded CPU very well especially at over 2V.

Personally, I don't think the GOrb has the mass, density and maybe surface area, to take and dissipate the heat generated well enough, but if yours does after loading it up, that would be great!

[Pinky]

Originally posted by soil
To me the Gorb is not a super-cooler but it's a bit better than the small Intel stock fan.

That isn't exactly a selling point: "Better than the worse heatsink fan combo."

[soil]

Originally posted by Pinky


That isn't exactly a selling point: "Better than the worse heatsink fan combo."

well the small Intel stock fan isn't too bad, it maintains my 700E@933 at around 38 degrees idle, closed case.

And the Gorb looks good and the retention clips worked well. Would AS2 or AS3 will bring down a couple of degrees? Now I'm using some white paste from Justcoler.:D

[soil]

Originally posted by Pecos
Yeah, from what I've seen, the GOrb has a difficult time cooling ice cubes...

Those temps seem incredibly low to me...too low.

Pecos, since your chip is the same as mine, may I have your temp readings (idle and full load) for reference?:D

thanks

[soil]

Originally posted by Pecos
Personally, I don't think the GOrb has the mass, density and maybe surface area, to take and dissipate the heat generated well enough, but if yours does after loading it up, that would be great!

yeh...I think after I got the shim for the Justcooler HS I'll switch...

[Pecos]

Originally posted by soil


Pecos, since your chip is the same as mine, may I have your temp readings (idle and full load) for reference?:D

thanks

Sure, all the CPU's I've tried on my Asus CUSL2 mobo seem to run 'hot' though.

This is my P3-550E with the SK-6 on it:
(At this time the case temp was 28C)
Speed @ Voltage ------Idle--------Load
------------------------------------------------
550MHz @ 1.60V ------ 34C ------- 40C
733MHz @ 1.65V ------ 34C ------- 41C
803MHz @ 1.80V ------ 34C ------- 43C

The P3-1000E with the SK-6 shown:
(At 28C case temp)
Speed @ Voltage ------Idle--------Load
------------------------------------------------
1.00GHz @ 1.75V ------ 35C ------- 44C
1.33GHz @ 1.80V ------ 36C ------- 46C
1.37GHz @ 1.85V ------ 36C ------- 47C
1.40GHz @ 1.90V ------ ??C -------- ??C
(1.4GHz boots OS and runs 3DMark, but did not try to take temp reads....yet! :D)

These numbers are from back in November. I haven't done a comparison yet with both CPU's in the new case.

Currently, at case temps of 22/23C, my 1000E @ 1.33GHz @ 1.80V idles about 33C and load is 44/45C under Prime95 and/or F@H or gaming with the SK-6. Still too high...

However, I've got the 550E in the Abit ST6 currently @ 733MHz (can't remember the voltage offhand) and its idle temps are around 28/29C and load (again with Prime95 and/or F@H) are at about 35/36C with an Alpha PEP66 with the shroud raised about a 1/4 inch from stock.

In a couple of days I should have the Celly-T 1.2 and another Thermalright SK-6 to try on the Abit ST6 mobo.

I would love to try another CUSL2 to see what its temps would show, but I can't justify the expense for obvious reasons!

[soil]

just took away the GoldenOrb (need to dis-assemble the whole thing to take out the MB and put the Justcooler HS so it won't scratch the MB), re-assembled and boot, then it doesn't count the RAM, took out the Tonicom, keot the Crucial, refuse to post at 1000mhz...oh...no...lower the Vio from 3.5v to 3.4v, reset the BIOS...then it said a file on system config is missing or corrupted, boot up with CD_ROM, setup/repair,...finally surfing and playing CD at 38 celsius, didn't try full load...yet...tried slow down the RAM to 3-3-3, don't post at 140@2.05V...

the CPUmark99 is ~110...low?