Casual Gamers

[Theocnoob]

Why don't developer's just break down right now and make every game a shopping simulator. Screw it that'll be too intense in three years.

Why don't they just make a game that simulates you playing a person simulating playing a casual game.

Obviously money's what its all about at the expense of real gamers.

I have some suggestions for developers out there who may be listening. No doubt nintendo would be interested in these:

Read A Novel Simulator
Sim-insert a disc
super knitting bros
Sim-Hedge-Trimmer
Paint-Drying-Pro
Wii Veg
Sliip
Sim-Eat-A-Meal
Wii Get-Out-Of-Bed
Walk Around <Where you literally walk around. I guarantee this and Sliip would sell. People are that lame.

[don'tknow]

This will sound strange, but many game developers are also casuals who rarely actually play the games they make. As such, I'd recommend a simulation of game development, except with a twist. In this game, all the people on Earth would be hardcore gamers and you have to design a game good enough to please them, and sell lots of copies.

It would be pretty difficult to code AI for that kind of game since it'll need to be able to tell which game sucks and which doesn't. So this probably isn't a very realistic idea, but if someone pulls it off then it would actually be beneficial to the more hardcore gamers since it would better teach developers how not to make junk games.

Then there's the other factor where they don't give a sh*t because casual games sell more in the real world. So in reality we can't tell how well this would work.

[cornbread]

This must be a WoW rant.

[rainless]

Why don't developer's just break down right now and make every game a shopping simulator. Screw it that'll be too intense in three years.

Why don't they just make a game that simulates you playing a person simulating playing a casual game.

Obviously money's what its all about at the expense of real gamers.

I have some suggestions for developers out there who may be listening. No doubt nintendo would be interested in these:

Read A Novel Simulator
Sim-insert a disc
super knitting bros
Sim-Hedge-Trimmer
Paint-Drying-Pro
Wii Veg
Sliip
Sim-Eat-A-Meal
Wii Get-Out-Of-Bed
Walk Around <Where you literally walk around. I guarantee this and Sliip would sell. People are that lame.

You seem upset recently...

Maybe it's time to call up the Ex and tell her you're sorry.

Failing that... maybe it's time to find a girl! :)

[Theocnoob]

Im fat

[Aztroth]

Im fat

lmfao!

[jcw122]

Play a real game like Wolfenstein:ET :) Not any of this new trash.

[zexmarquies01]

I have one main question when it comes to developers and their casual games...

Most developers and publishers ( such as nintendo ) want to make casual games to get more people into the gaming market, which is fine. But do they have any plan to cater to those people once they begin to play more mature games? Or will the new generation of gamers, whom have been playing video games now for about 5 or so years, be ignored, and they target the new casual gamers for about 5 years or so, and then ignore them, repeating this cycle over and over.

I just want to know what these publishers and developers future plans are. Whether to keep delivering content to the future gamers ( who were brought in via the casual games ), or ignore them and let other companies do that for them, while they foster in a new slew of casual gamers.

As I said, I wish i knew what their long term plans were.

[shadin]

For some reason, "Wii Get-Out-Of-Bed" made me laugh...

Regardless, I know what you're saying. It started a few years back with games being dumbed down for consoles and then ported to PC, and consoles keep getting more and more casual. Rinse, repeat. I have nothing against casual games, in fact there's a lot that I play (Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet, World of Goo, AudioSurf are all win), but I don't want what makes those quick to pick up and put down carried over into my FPS, RTS, or especially RPGs.

Was there any recent game that incited your rage to post this? My latest was F.E.A.R. 2. :p

[squads]

Does Neopets fall under the category of casual gaming? My friend's wife spends countless hours on it, but I fail to understand anything that is going on in the game. All I know is there is some sort of pet involved. The world surrounding the pet boggles the mind.

[don'tknow]

World of World of Warcraft - simulation of a person playing WoW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ

[Theocnoob]

For some reason, "Wii Get-Out-Of-Bed" made me laugh...

Regardless, I know what you're saying. It started a few years back with games being dumbed down for consoles and then ported to PC, and consoles keep getting more and more casual. Rinse, repeat. I have nothing against casual games, in fact there's a lot that I play (Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet, World of Goo, AudioSurf are all win), but I don't want what makes those quick to pick up and put down carried over into my FPS, RTS, or especially RPGs.

Was there any recent game that incited your rage to post this? My latest was F.E.A.R. 2. :p

Actually I think that we can trace the 'casual game' back to tamagotchi. When I first read in the paper about these little digital egg things that would be coming from japan I thought 'nobody will buy this'. When they sold like wildfire I worried.


It took me awhile to notice the casual BS creeping up. At first I was buying new games and I was like "Man i'm getting REEEALLY good at games"...:-/

I can tell I'm getting old because of what I'm about to say...

When I was a kid videogames were hard. You didn't have unlimited lives and if you sucked you didn't restart the level you restarted the game! You couldn't save. It was technologically impossible- and only ******* didn't sit through the whole game. Your nintendo had a brown spot on top of it from being left on so long during your 30 hour marathon sessions of Super Mario 3. Games didn't have an "EASY" setting. It was always hard, and if you couldn't take it, **** you.

I miss those days.

[shadin]

Actually I think that we can trace the 'casual game' back to tamagotchi. When I first read in the paper about these little digital egg things that would be coming from japan I thought 'nobody will buy this'. When they sold like wildfire I worried.


It took me awhile to notice the casual BS creeping up. At first I was buying new games and I was like "Man i'm getting REEEALLY good at games"...:-/

I can tell I'm getting old because of what I'm about to say...

When I was a kid videogames were hard. You didn't have unlimited lives and if you sucked you didn't restart the level you restarted the game! You couldn't save. It was technologically impossible- and only ******* didn't sit through the whole game. Your nintendo had a brown spot on top of it from being left on so long during your 30 hour marathon sessions of Super Mario 3. Games didn't have an "EASY" setting. It was always hard, and if you couldn't take it, **** you.

I miss those days.

Hahaha. It's true, though. Think about Super Mario Brothers in today's standards, what a horrendously hard game. Eight worlds with four levels each, thirty-two levels with no ability to save and starting with only three lives.

[Zurvan]

Read A Novel Simulator
Sim-insert a disc
super knitting bros
Sim-Hedge-Trimmer
Paint-Drying-Pro
Wii Veg
Sliip
Sim-Eat-A-Meal
Wii Get-Out-Of-Bed
Walk Around <Where you literally walk around. I guarantee this and Sliip would sell. People are that lame.

wow, you actually have time to imagine all that.

[SteveLord]

World of World of Warcraft - simulation of a person playing WoW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ

Thats exactly what I was thinking going through this thread. :beer:

[Aztroth]

Thats exactly what I was thinking going through this thread. :beer:

World of World of Warcraft - simulation of a person playing WoW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ

omfg... onion news is the best... but if/when that happens I plan on using more than just strong words to rectify the situation...

[Archer0915]

If you live near the east coast we could get together go on a simulated hunting trip (I don't do any mountains I have had a fear of mountains ever since I saw deliverance oh wait my sim involves real guns:cool:) with large calibur hand guns and killing simulated dear, turkey and bear. Oh wait that is real and people need a breath of fresh air the focus has gone away in a majority of games and they must use sex, drugs and other crap to entice people to play these games. What ever happened to playability and fun. I know I will play my Atari emu tonight.

[Theocnoob]

Hahaha. It's true, though. Think about Super Mario Brothers in today's standards, what a horrendously hard game. Eight worlds with four levels each, thirty-two levels with no ability to save and starting with only three lives.

You had to do it in a 2 man team minimum to make it through in one go.

I remember inviting friends over to try to marathon games like Contra and Super Mario Bros.

Half the excitement was knowing once you powered down it was over.

So many things working against you! Your bed time, black outs, system overheating, mental fatigue.

That's when video gaming made men out of boys and not boys out of men.
All too often I encounter a girl playing BF2 *(and waste her. Though this one girl who plays WiC against my clan a lot is frighteningly skilled). This makes me think 2 things: 1)Men don't know how to play video games anymore to such an extent that 2)We can now be beaten by girls at them.

It's one less thing to make me feel important as a man. I already need a woman to tell me where my keys are and where I put my wallet. I need a woman to be there when I get sick and become all wussy. If I can't smoke her in Super Mario anymore what masculinity have I honestly got?

Some new Wii titles:

Wiisale > You simulate selling your Wii on Ebay and attempt to get the highest wiisale value.

Wiiwee > Simply aim the wiimote at the screen and try to get the entire 'stream' into the bowl.

There's an add-on pack for Wiiwee called GroutCliin where you simulate cleaning the tile grout because you keep 'missing' in Wiiwee and the wife is yelling about the condition of the floor.

[shadin]

I never managed to complete any of the old school games, in my old after school care (when I was like 9 and my dad worked till 5.30PM, i'd go there, they had a PS2, SEGA and a NES, I never got the chance to complete mario brothers, or sonic,

one of my aims in life is to complete those games, LOL.

As noble a quest as I've ever heard.

[JamesXP]

I never managed to complete any of the old school games, in my old after school care (when I was like 9 and my dad worked till 5.30PM, i'd go there, they had a PS2, SEGA and a NES, I never got the chance to complete mario brothers, or sonic,

one of my aims in life is to complete those games, LOL.

[Aztroth]

If I can't smoke her in Super Mario anymore what masculinity have I honestly got?

think about that statement for a moment... keep thinking... :beer:

did anyone else notice the post swap above me... what keeps doing that!?

[shadin]

think about that statement for a moment... keep thinking... :beer:

did anyone else notice the post swap above me... what keeps doing that!?

Yeah, that's messed up. My reply to JamesXP ended up above his post. OMG FORUMS HAUNTED.

[JamesXP]

Are we tripping?

[SteveLord]

Yeah, that's messed up. My reply to JamesXP ended up above his post. OMG FORUMS HAUNTED.

Are we tripping?

No, this happens once in a while. :eek:

[Tsnowflake]

Wiiwee > Simply aim the wiimote at the screen and try to get the entire 'stream' into the bowl.


its already a game http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/226475.html

[Aztroth]

the wii strapon... what will they call it, the wiildo?

[ratbuddy]

Im fat

No doubt. I think you need to just stay out of the games section here. You seem to be really, really, really, really bitter about something, and taking it out on the forum isn't going to help you any ;)

[grumperfish]

Was there any recent game that incited your rage to post this? My latest was F.E.A.R. 2. :p

I'm actually kind of enjoying F.E.A.R. 2 (once past the really boring first sections). It's not great, and definitely not anywhere near as unnerving as the first one, but it's fun at least.



Now Necrovision, that was a horrible game. Interesting premise but abysmal execution.



:sn:: I think the most "casual" SNES game game I played was Ogre Battle, and even that was ridiculously complex. NES games were all incredibly hard marathon runs.

[Archer0915]

No doubt. I think you need to just stay out of the games section here. You seem to be really, really, really, really bitter about something, and taking it out on the forum isn't going to help you any ;)
No doubt you were kidding as the OP does bring up some valid points but the fact is that there is no way to recreate pac man and donkey kong as we seem to expect so much more from games these days that we forget that the point is to be encapsulated in enjoyment not encumbered with the lack of creativeness. I love the graphics level of the newer systems but quality in games is lacking. There are great games of all types but the focus of playability and fun doesn't seem to be what it was ~20-30 years ago. Don't get me wrong I love Spore, Sim City, NFS and others but some of the games are going in the wrong direction I play games to relax and escape some of these newer games just lack something.

[sulretal]

Maybe you can start your own company and make a real gamers game then

[Archer0915]

Maybe you can start your own company and make a real gamers game then

If that was directed toward me then the answer is not for this forum. but it involves some words brainwashed, morals, church, children and lack of principals and self respect.

[mxthunder]

Change is definitely scary and its interesting as to WHY they change? We have more capabilities to make them more realistic, does that take the creative element out of them?

I guess that's why you need to keep yourself in check, because if you start involving yourself or dwelling upon video games too much, that can be very, very consequential for your soul...

[dylskee]

Im fat

Get a fat girl! :beer:

[Badbonji]

omfg... onion news is the best... but if/when that happens I plan on using more than just strong words to rectify the situation...

LOL the people's comments "the keystrokes sound like the real thing", "it actually feels I am playing the game" epic!

[sulretal]

If that was directed toward me then the answer is not for this forum. but it involves some words brainwashed, morals, church, children and lack of principals and self respect.

No friend it was directed towards the thread creator.

I'm not disagreeing with you fellows, that a game should be as detailed(thus in depth) as possible(well, to the extents of having a fun yet challenging experience, rather than too in depth where gaming becomes chore like), however there is a broad demographic of people who just want to turn on a game and play it for 2 hours then go out. I believe every developer has to struggle with that fact, and that it is a percentage that is continually increasing.

Though I mean it isn't too bad, and I believe some developers do make up for the lack of challenging games. I wish I could reference recent games but the only game to come out in the past 3 years that I have played is Left 4 dead.

Whatever you do just remember that we do tend to romanticize nostalgia. So, things always seem to be better and more authentic simply because our culture tends to think along those lines(to a degree).

[Archer0915]

No friend it was directed towards the thread creator.

I'm not disagreeing with you fellows, that a game should be as detailed(thus in depth) as possible(well, to the extents of having a fun yet challenging experience, rather than too in depth where gaming becomes chore like), however there is a broad demographic of people who just want to turn on a game and play it for 2 hours then go out. I believe every developer has to struggle with that fact, and that it is a percentage that is continually increasing.

Though I mean it isn't too bad, and I believe some developers do make up for the lack of challenging games. I wish I could reference recent games but the only game to come out in the past 3 years that I have played is Left 4 dead.

Whatever you do just remember that we do tend to romanticize nostalgia. So, things always seem to be better and more authentic simply because our culture tends to think along those lines(to a degree).

That's cool:cool: I was looking for an opening to make a post like that anyway.

[Tumnus]

The trick is making a game that's appealing to casual players on the surface, but also in depth for people who are looking to spend more time with the game.

I feel like the Super Smash Bros. franchise is pretty good about this. Anyone can turn it on and play it....I think its a pretty intuitive series. But there's also a relatively competitive community of people out there who play the game at a very high level.

I'm trying to think of other examples, but I can't really come up with any...

[BackBreaker]

why do those japanese people like those weird games so much?

[Archer0915]

why do those japanese people like those weird games so much?

They probably say the same thing about us strange foreigners.

[don'tknow]

They probably say the same thing about us strange foreigners.

The majority of JP's, at least online, seem to not like foreigners and ignore them in general. That was my experience from playing FF11 on a release server with high population. Many of my friends who played that game also said the same. Like all countries though, there's different kinds of people, some of them like different kinds of foreign culture/movies/games even though most of them are very umm, "self-cultural only". I'm not sure if they're also like this IRL, but actually meeting them is definitely a much different experience than what people perceive them to be from their mainstream media of anime/rpg's/etc.

The trick is making a game that's appealing to casual players on the surface, but also in depth for people who are looking to spend more time with the game.

I feel like the Super Smash Bros. franchise is pretty good about this. Anyone can turn it on and play it....I think its a pretty intuitive series. But there's also a relatively competitive community of people out there who play the game at a very high level.

I'm trying to think of other examples, but I can't really come up with any...

Many games have tried and are still trying this, but the problem is they prioritize the casual aspect too much and put very little work into the hardcore aspect.

We need a "made by hardcores for hardcores" type of thing. Instead of "made by money-greedy corporations to hoard as much money as possible".

[Archer0915]

I really feel left out of this conversation as I really only digg a good realistic (non fantasy or futristic) flight sim so until I find one I will play whatever my kids like.

[don'tknow]

I really feel left out of this conversation as I really only digg a good realistic (non fantasy or futristic) flight sim so until I find one I will play whatever my kids like.

I think Tom Clancy's HAWX is the most recent good one, but it's kind of a mix between arcade/simulation. Was going to play it but keep forgetting, my schedule is busier than usual so I can't say for sure how good it is.

[Archer0915]

It is dl'ng now on the ps3 I hope it is good.

[wav3form]

Maybe you can start your own company and make a real gamers game then

Oh no she dinnnit!!!