passave res/rad x 3

[kain000]

as promised here are the pics and temps now that I have 3 times the coolant and surface area.

this setup took my temps from a toasty 70c at 100% load after 1 hour+ to 50c +- 2c with all 2 of my case fans on low, it's awesome quiet. with the fans on high the temp levels out arround 43c at 100%

[Conumdrum]

So your cooling the CPU and GPUs? Very nice! Bet the quiet is awesome, amazed that someone has 3 of those things used at once. Nice different WC solution.

And load is loading the CPU and GPU at the same time?

[kain000]

So your cooling the CPU and GPUs? Very nice! Bet the quiet is awesome, amazed that someone has 3 of those things used at once. Nice different WC solution.

And load is loading the CPU and GPU at the same time?

currently it's just the cpu but i've got seti at home using %100 of the q6600.

I am planing on hooking 2 full card blocks up when I get the money, finding blocks for my cards is more difficult than I had thought it would be. I have 2 geforce 9600's and i've only found 2 shops that have the full coverage blocks inside the usa.

[Conumdrum]

You should really look at the MCW60 for cooling those GPU's. They are older GPU's and FC blocks are real expensive to even think of WCing. Once you upgrade the GPU's the FC blocks are useless on newer cards and you will prolly have trouble selling them.

So.... go cheap as you can for WC those cards or buy a bigger modern card you will keep for a while where a full cover waterblock is a better investment.

[kain000]

You should really look at the MCW60 for cooling those GPU's. They are older GPU's and FC blocks are real expensive to even think of WCing. Once you upgrade the GPU's the FC blocks are useless on newer cards and you will prolly have trouble selling them.

So.... go cheap as you can for WC those cards or buy a bigger modern card you will keep for a while where a full cover waterblock is a better investment.

that makes alot of sence, so this would cool the GPU and the ram chips need to be cooled dont they?

[axis01]

That is one way to spend $300 on heat exchangers. Not the most efficient BY FAR but as long as you're happy with it.:thup:

Axis

[Conumdrum]

that makes alot of sence, so this would cool the GPU and the ram chips need to be cooled dont they?

Yea, ram and mosfets need cooled too, by air, using heatsinks. Suggest you head over to the Swiftech site and read up on thier solutions. Good case air flow is plenty to keep them cool.

[Spawn-Inc]

yes +1 on the mcw60.

it looks nice, good work

[Evilsizer]

what are those? i have never seen those before, while lookin at wcing rads...

[Spawn-Inc]

what are those? i have never seen those before, while lookin at wcing rads...

extruded Anodized Aluminum Tube

http://www.xspc.biz/res500.php

i would like one as they look very good but they are Aluminum, which i will not put in my loop.

[axis01]

extruded Anodized Aluminum Tube

http://www.xspc.biz/res500.php

i would like one as they look very good but they are Aluminum, which i will not put in my loop.

Not to mention that they aren't radiators but finned reserviors.

Axis

[Evilsizer]

hmm, interesting...

[M0rphin3]

I have 2 geforce 9600's and i've only found 2 shops that have the full coverage blocks inside the usa.

What 9600's do u have exactly, i have 2 XFX 9600GSO 768mb version GPUs and have done some searching for full coverage blocks but had no success, could/would u point me to where you found some?

[kain000]

what are those? i have never seen those before, while lookin at wcing rads...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2232/ex-res-121/XSPC_Passive_500mm_Reservoir_-_Silver.html?tl=g30c95s708


they are passive rez's but with 3 I'm using them as my radiators

[kain000]

What 9600's do u have exactly, i have 2 XFX 9600GSO 768mb version GPUs and have done some searching for full coverage blocks but had no success, could/would u point me to where you found some?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=240&products_id=23436

is where I found one. it's officially for the nvidia reference card so you may possible need to "mod" your block to fit if the manufacture strayed far from the reference design. most dont however.

[BobbyBubblehead]

Took me 3 rads and a quater of the room to silent cool my PC... didn`t quite get the same asthetic appeal.

very impressed, like the rads.

welcome to the silent side.... nice!

[kain000]

Took me 3 rads and a quater of the room to silent cool my PC... didn`t quite get the same asthetic appeal.

very impressed, like the rads.

welcome to the silent side.... nice!

thanks for the comments.

One thing that I have noticed and haven't quite figured out for myself is that all 3 tubes are in series with the pump.

the flow order goes from back (1) to middle to front of case (3) to the pump and back to 1.

originally when filling the system the coolant was at an equalized level between all 3 as gravity pulled them into equilibrium.

however now there seems to be a pressure difference now that they are a sealed system.

tube 3 has lost a bit of coolant and tube 1 is to the brim, where as #2 is higher than originally.


when I turn the system off and open the pressure on tube 1 the coolant flows back to an equal level for all 3.

what do you think is causing this and how might I go about correcting it?

[Evilsizer]

why not fill them all the way full? then that shouldnt happen... but given its not like a rad i would expect something weird to happen internally. as they have no divider to cause flow thru the rest of the res. just simply the in/out ports are so close together it looks like right as hot coolant goes in. it goes right back out then to the other res to do the same thing.... filling them full is about the only thing i can think of that would correct the issue.

[Spawn-Inc]

it happens to my t-line as well, the pump is strong enough that it creates a bit of a vacuum and it appears the coolant level drops.

its nothing to worry about.

[Nebulous]

it happens to my t-line as well, the pump is strong enough that it creates a bit of a vacuum and it appears the coolant level drops.

its nothing to worry about.


Well your pump sucks.....good ;):thup:

[BobbyBubblehead]

I`ll do something diagramatic to show how I resolved the pressure issues in my system.
I have a small breath hole in the top of one rad but the height diameter and column of water all play a part in stopping the `fountain effect` that scared the crap out of me when first tweaking the flow through.

LOL (memories, oh happy modding days) real pain when you need a third hand to shut down the PC #Chuckles# fun times!

I know from aquarium design experience the problems you get with fluid in motion & equalisation of pressure.

the closed loop thing is a tad tricky with a large volume of coolant that goes through quite a large shift in temp and any air left in will be even worse for pressure build up (I have 4 bleed points on my loop)

I dont think I can suggest any tweaking that wont mess up the asthetics a bit.
adjusting the height of each rad to allow gravity more of a role is one principle - (maybe you should mount them on the wall in a three ducks flying south type traditional configuration) <-- I know im so usefull sometimes.

is there really nothing inside the rads to cause the coolant to turn over inside each chamber?
sometimes its as simple as the angle at which the feed pipe intersects (if not then see if theres any way to attach an elbow inside the inlet maybe and fire them upwards to turn it over.

(my pump was pulling hydrogen molecules out of the water everytime I booted up - thats when its too sucky)

first pump from the rads to the blocks and second post blocks to rads would be another way to equalise.

[OUT->PUMP-BLOCKS-RADS-PUMP ->IN]

(just noticed your plans - I dont think it will hold up if you stick 2 cards on there - I had to throw in about another 3 square meter of active surface area to cool one GTX280 along with the Q6600 and other bits)

CPU never gets past 32`c & GPU 42`c been running constant for a couple of months (screw re-booting)

[BobbyBubblehead]

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Its all reduced to clear stuff its made from. I got the res v2 & res 2 for the price of the cheaper and then complained and got another £30 off and the probe sump and pump were also less than half rrp.
Was like being locked in a shed with random parts and no plan.... hmmm

[Dapman02]

Bobby, that pic is so full of win I can't stand it :clap::clap::clap:

[BobbyBubblehead]

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I`m so impressed with Kain000`s triple rad I think he should change his avatar to this Silent ninja rage.... go on (ninja!)

[BobbyBubblehead]

Bobby, that pic is so full of win I can't stand it :clap::clap::clap:
72194I love it when a plan comes together!

[kain000]

why not fill them all the way full? then that shouldnt happen... but given its not like a rad i would expect something weird to happen internally. as they have no divider to cause flow thru the rest of the res. just simply the in/out ports are so close together it looks like right as hot coolant goes in. it goes right back out then to the other res to do the same thing.... filling them full is about the only thing i can think of that would correct the issue.

I did fill them up all the way earlier today and the issue is gone, thankyou.


is there really nothing inside the rads to cause the coolant to turn over inside each chamber?
sometimes its as simple as the angle at which the feed pipe intersects (if not then see if theres any way to attach an elbow inside the inlet maybe and fire them upwards to turn it over.



(just noticed your plans - I dont think it will hold up if you stick 2 cards on there - I had to throw in about another 3 square meter of active surface area to cool one GTX280 along with the Q6600 and other bits)

CPU never gets past 32`c & GPU 42`c been running constant for a couple of months (screw re-booting)


I never mentioned but the inlet barb continues the coolant up a long tube about 2/3 up the rez and thats where the hot coolant is dumped back into it, to cool and float down to the outlet barb > into the next and then the third one.



And bobby, thanks for the pic, now i'm totally ninja. LOL I agree, even one card would require a much larger surface to maintain acceptable temps. 3 more on the other side anyone? lol no, perhaps in the future, but im good with just 3 for now. Check out this other thread, i posted the designs i sketched up for a large fan (360 mm) that can be attached to cover the rezzzzz..es and would (or should at least ) help drastically dissipate heat. I was originally planing on this being an add-on for forum warz when I wanted to push an overclock, but perhaps at stock speeds this could compensate for two cards?
unfourtinally frozencpu.com seems to be down at the moment. so you cant see the fan but it's 360mm wide, so it would cover the side of my case entirely. benefit: fan could be on lowest setting, or even under-volted and it would still push massive amounts of air with very little sound.
anyhoo, my pics are towards the bottom,

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=598448

[kain000]

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I`m so impressed with Kain000`s triple rad I think he should change his avatar to this Silent ninja rage.... go on (ninja!)

Awesome, done and done.

Does everyone else have a 10.0K limit on their avatar file size?

I had to resize this image and it's even smaller then my older one.... whats up with that?

[BobbyBubblehead]

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There you go I`ve GIF-wrapped it `n everything #Chuckles#

[kain000]

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There you go I`ve GIF-wrapped it `n everything #Chuckles#

haha thanks again for the gif-t. lol

" a great UNIX programmer once coded: " chown -R us ./Bases " he didn't speak engrish very well...

[BobbyBubblehead]

Lookin `dappa` in that spangly new avatar suite.

(more I look the more he could be a skateboarder but hey - we know your a silent ninja with a musical prefference)

[WonderingSoul]

Have you considered low speed silent fans blowing downward on the rads for some performane gain?

Don't have to be necessarily downward, but some configuration?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/gschmell/fan_placement.gif

[BobbyBubblehead]

Been there and had a go (I used a full length shrowd and drew air upwards - to work with heat build up and convection)

it can help but the noise may defeat the whole process - need a good seal and quality low rpm fans

I used a foil type shroud so it also drew heat out of the fins quite efficiently.

maybe 3 ducts and a big low rpm fan.... triple rad in the loop post passive rads would be a better result, I removed the shroud in the end because it looked terrable #Chuckles#

more effective to just point a domestic fan at the rads or open the window from my experience :(

it`s a problem if it becomes a problem because there just not designed to lose much heat or in a hurry it takes a lot of surface area to compensate.

[WonderingSoul]

more effective to just point a domestic fan at the rads or open the window from my experience :(

it`s a problem if it becomes a problem because there just not designed to lose much heat or in a hurry it takes a lot of surface area to compensate.

Heh, I didn't think about just placing a box fan next to your PC :beer:

I would like to see the difference between totally passive and one normal box fan on low speed

[EarthDog]

Way to think outside the box!

[Evilsizer]

if your looking for passive then your looking at one of these rads....
Watercool MO-RA 2 PRO Extreme Performance 9 X 120mm Radiator Core (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=25231) or Watercool MO-RA 2 Extreme Performance 9 X 120mm Radiator Core (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=25229) or MagiCool XTREME QUAD 480 Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=21621) or MagiCool XTREME NOVA 1080 ( 9 X 120mm) Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=21622)

[BobbyBubblehead]

Evilsizer - Like the look of thoes rads you linked us too (its all the future, not seen them in the UK market yet)
we have to wait for the slow boats :(

I may have to start shopping in US Dollars (probably find I bought a jet ski in florida six months later or something #Chuckles#) - actually maybe not with my balance, theyed be insufficient funds after the shades and sun cream.

UK - for 51st state (is the uk big enough to be a state?) then at least we could get good toys.
someone pointed me to a UPS on here and its the same story.... there is none in this country, its a quality situation :(


Get some charity ads on cable... Cool-Aid for under privellaged B12 defficent pastey lookin UK pesants... I can get the shocking footage of us sorry lot (warming our selves by our pentium 2`s in cramped little chanty terrace houses, living on potatoes and fried fish and hoplessly addicted to brewing tea)

[kain000]

Get some charity ads on cable... Cool-Aid for under privellaged B12 defficent pastey lookin UK pesants... I can get the shocking footage of us sorry lot (warming our selves by our pentium 2`s in cramped little chanty terrace houses, living on potatoes and fried fish and hoplessly addicted to brewing tea)

HA! que the violin music and mrs. Sarandon walking down abby road holding a child with a gameboy advanced! #eyes water#

[BobbyBubblehead]

that kid would be stabbed and his gameboy and trainers sold for heroin - UK`s a lovely place (we just need gun laws and we can thin things right out LOL)

(I wont be getting no work for the UK promotional brochure #Chuckles#)

[kain000]

Have you considered low speed silent fans blowing downward on the rads for some performane gain?

Don't have to be necessarily downward, but some configuration?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/gschmell/fan_placement.gif

I was thinking about this a while ago, not exactly the same as 3 small fans would be noisy, as bobby pointed out, but rather one large, huge really (360mm) fan would move a massave amount of air with little to no noise.

http://http://www.xoxide.com/360mm-case-fan-blue.html

here are the designs I came up with, it is a fan mount that would look sort of like a large C- clamp and clamp onto the outer res' to hold it into place.

watcha think?

[BobbyBubblehead]

its a lot of work for 2 or 3`c is what I found active cooling a Res v2 and in my case looked ugly.

you could blow air at them any which way you like it will have some effect.... but sticking a triple rad on the end of the loop was the easy option for me.

[kain000]

its a lot of work for 2 or 3`c is what I found active cooling a Res v2 and in my case looked ugly.

you could blow air at them any which way you like it will have some effect.... but sticking a triple rad on the end of the loop was the easy option for me.

hummmmmm........ *strokes imaginary beard* I see your point, perhaps I am putting too much faith in this fan idea.

[Spawn-Inc]

i would first try putting a house fan on low and have it blow over the 3 res's and see what temps you get. then go from there.

[kain000]

i would first try putting a house fan on low and have it blow over the 3 res's and see what temps you get. then go from there.

good idea, I think I will try that this weekend.

[Spawn-Inc]

if that works the next step i would go is getting some plexi tubes that would slide over the res's then build a Y like this (http://www.askthebuilder.com/artman212/uploads/1/545.jpg) and you will have a shroud, so to speak, that will make sure all the air gets to the res's only.

[BobbyBubblehead]

Heh, I didn't think about just placing a box fan next to your PC :beer:

I would like to see the difference between totally passive and one normal box fan on low speed

I placed a tight fitting foil duct over my ResoratorV2 and a couple of 120 fans piggybacked on a plastic conical reducer. at the time it gave a 2 or 3`c drop on the coolant temp. the thick aluminum body doesnt lose much through the fins in a hurry.

its the same 2 or 3`c with the window open for 20 minutes.

triple rad later in the loop was much quieter and effective than active cooling an aluminium rad - i sort of use them for faze one of losing the most heat without addtional mechanics (the more heat conduction in the rad the more effective its own passive convection is)